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Posted: 5/5/2019 9:45:27 AM EDT

Garand?

or

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Red

Posted: 5/5/2019 9:52:18 AM EDT

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Can you own a .22LR AR15?

Posted: 5/5/2019 9:52:54 AM EDT

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I would say a Garand

Posted: 5/5/2019 9:53:26 AM EDT

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Attached File

Posted: 5/5/2019 9:53:36 AM EDT

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30/30

Posted: 5/5/2019 9:54:11 AM EDT

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Posted: 5/5/2019 9:55:15 AM EDT

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Guys seem to be running featureless rifles at competitions without too many issues.

Still better than a grand or mini-14

Posted: 5/5/2019 9:57:15 AM EDT

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Winchester model 67

Cricket

Savage Mark 1 G

Posted: 5/5/2019 9:57:59 AM EDT

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Red Ryder

Posted: 5/5/2019 10:01:15 AM EDT

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I would imagine the Ares SCR would work nicely. Most of the AR pros without all of the features that CA finds offensive.

Posted: 5/5/2019 10:01:25 AM EDT

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I thought semi auto rimfire mag fed was okay?

Posted: 5/5/2019 10:03:09 AM EDT

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If it is, the PMR30 is probably the baddest assed rifle they can buy.

Frankly, you could do worse.

Posted: 5/5/2019 10:06:18 AM EDT

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Some flavor of SMLE.

SKS

Garand

Posted: 5/5/2019 10:11:56 AM EDT

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Don't rule out the venerable lever action.

Not everything has to be a semi auto baby killer to be effective.

Posted: 5/5/2019 10:12:09 AM EDT

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If it is, the PMR30 is probably the baddest assed rifle they can buy.

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If it is, the PMR30 is probably the baddest assed rifle they can buy.

Frankly, you could do worse.

Not legal in factory form. Mag capacity is above 10, and telescoping stock goes shorter than 26”

CA law requires the OAL measurement in shortest adjustment point, while atf allows longest-config measurement.

Overall length with the stock collapsed is 22.7", which makes it a SBR under CA SBR laws.

Overall length with the stock collapsed needs to be 26" or greater, in order to be CA legal.
This can be done by either fixing the collapsible stock in the open/extended position or by attaching a 4" or greater length muzzle device.

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In order to be CA legal...
1. The overall length needs to be increased to 26" or greater.
2. Need 10 round magazines

Posted: 5/5/2019 10:12:47 AM EDT

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Featureless AR-15.

Fixed stock.

Muzzle brake.

Grip Fin.

Posted: 5/5/2019 10:21:05 AM EDT

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M1a

mini 14 and your 10 rd mags....

of course Nevada and Az sell TONS of 30 rds mags that wiggle across the border for just in case
and you can shoot your rifle in public with out range masters calling the CaliRedCoats..

Posted: 5/5/2019 11:16:16 AM EDT

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One where the little flag pops out and has the word "Bang" on it. Even then you will most certainly offend and scare the shit out of numerous morons. ??

Posted: 5/5/2019 11:22:49 AM EDT

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mini 14 and your 10 rd mags....

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You’re behind the times.

We standard cap mag now.

Posted: 5/5/2019 11:26:17 AM EDT

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Don't rule out the venerable lever action.

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My choice. Not in CA but CT.

357 16in. A bit larger and heavier than a 10/22.
I use inner tube bands to secure my light. My front sling mount is a loop if paracord. The rear is a standard screw in. Utilizing the buttplate screw in the the top of the stock.

I do have ARs, but my situation is tricky. I step off my property with a "AW" and its a felony offense. I have neighbors I will die for. Imo a "Non AW" is one less thing for me.

I could get a Mini or a SCR but I already had this rifle. So I made it work.

Posted: 5/5/2019 11:30:20 AM EDT

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I'm not in a commie state and I would love to have an SCR lower.

Posted: 5/5/2019 11:35:19 AM EDT

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an AR15

Posted: 5/5/2019 11:35:44 AM EDT

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Featureless AR-15 or that Ares AR with a standard stock.
Edit: didn't see the without restriction caveat. M1A then.

Posted: 5/5/2019 11:36:07 AM EDT

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Lever action or a M1a

Posted: 5/5/2019 11:37:32 AM EDT

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Probably the SCR

Posted: 5/5/2019 11:46:52 AM EDT

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This. To me, it's the obvious choice. Takes any AR upper and most AR accessories. It is light years ahead of a Mini 14 or M1 Carbine. The rat tail recoil spring of the SCR is proven on the FAL rifles. Sure, I think the original AR configuration is still better, but for those that have no other choice, it's the best option out there.

Posted: 5/5/2019 11:50:14 AM EDT

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We can own a Barrett .416, just need money.

Posted: 5/5/2019 11:52:20 AM EDT

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Just ask Joe, he says a double barrel 12 ga.

Posted: 5/5/2019 11:53:33 AM EDT

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Posted: 5/5/2019 11:55:08 AM EDT

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You should know California threads are serious buiznezz.

Posted: 5/5/2019 11:57:26 AM EDT

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Sure can.

Rimfire is exempt from all the features stuff and registration.

If you do a drop in conversion you are a BCG and mag change away from a full featured AR.

Posted: 5/5/2019 11:58:59 AM EDT

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M1A

Posted: 5/5/2019 12:12:44 PM EDT

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Sks

Posted: 5/5/2019 12:15:23 PM EDT

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I’ll take my mini-14 with 20 rd mags over my sks.

Posted: 5/5/2019 12:25:20 PM EDT

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Posted: 5/5/2019 12:39:23 PM EDT

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With a pistol grip? You're crazy.

Posted: 5/5/2019 3:01:25 PM EDT

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M1A Scout with 10rd mags. It's what I had years ago there, not sure if laws have changed to outlaw it recently.

Posted: 5/5/2019 3:04:01 PM EDT

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With a pistol grip? You're crazy.

Last time I read up on the laws (about a decade ago) the AWB was written around "center-fire" cartridge weapons. Rimfires were exempt but standard (high) cap mag laws were still in play.

Posted: 5/5/2019 3:07:45 PM EDT

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I have three .223 AR-15s on top, a couple of .308's next, and then my FAL, M1A, and Garand in my gun safe. Seems enough.

I didn't buy any of the drum magazines but bought a few hundred standard 20 and 30 round magazines.

The number of civilian shootings that require more than but a couple of rounds of rifle fire into a person's chest is pretty small.

(below) The range officer inspecting my rifle.

Posted: 5/5/2019 4:34:38 PM EDT

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Don't rule out the venerable lever action.

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Not riot friendly.

Posted: 5/5/2019 4:38:12 PM EDT

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Eye dead. The lower was marked with 22 LR.

Posted: 5/5/2019 4:41:49 PM EDT

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Be sure to remove the flash hider or replace it with a brake/comp.

Posted: 5/5/2019 4:45:18 PM EDT

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An official Red Ryder, carbine action, 200-shot, range model air rifle, with a compass in the stock and this thing that tells time.

Posted: 5/5/2019 4:47:03 PM EDT

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I think the Kel-Tec RDB-C is Cali complaint, I think that would be my go to if/when I had to live there.

Posted: 5/5/2019 6:06:17 PM EDT

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The best ones are self-loading centrefire rifles that are basically made in a configuration that lends itself well to being made featureless (such as those using traditional stocks) or those that have a pistol grip location that allows for adaptations giving a similar feel (such as AR-15s and grips like those made by Resurgent Arms and Sparrowhawk Dynamics), and which also use detachable mags and are basically military-pattern rifles.

Mini-14, Mini-30, SCR, SU-16CA, BM-59, M-14, M-1 Carbine, detachable-mag Garand, FN-49, MAS-49, and AR-15s with featureless grips or stocks (not grip fins, though; those suck), etc., just so long as care is taken to make sure they do not have things like flash suppressors, forward grips, grenade spigots, etc. and are not on any ban list.

Next-best are self-loading centrefire rifles that are fixed-mag by design, or are made as detachable-magazine rifles but have a secondary reloading system that make them usable even with a fixed mag. Former include the Garand and SKS, for example. Latter can include the FAL or Vz-58 converted properly to fixed-mag. With the chargers that have come out for the AR-15, those are potentially viable for this as well. These rifles can have all of the features one desires, although magazines must not exceed a ten-round capacity and they cannot be shorter than 30-inches OAL measured in the shortest fireable configuration (same with the top group).

Posted: 5/5/2019 6:08:01 PM EDT

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Maybe. It might be an assault weapon though.

Posted: 5/5/2019 6:11:44 PM EDT

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Musket

Posted: 5/5/2019 6:15:24 PM EDT

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I just bought one of those RDBs the other day, picking it up next week. Not sure what to expect, kinda bought it on a whim at my FFL. Heard the early versions were unreliable. This one just came from the factory. Keeping my fingers crossed its not a jam-o-matic.