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Posted: 5/5/2011 10:26:43 AM EST

[#1]

they deserved it

Posted: 5/5/2011 10:36:24 AM EST

[#2]

Quoted:
If the bull could not win the bullfight would be far less interesting just like hunting dangerous game would be far less interesting if there was actually no danger involved. I'd love to see a bullfight someday. I actually think it gives the bull a more dignified death than being led to a slaughterhouse. He fights for his life and can actually win. And in the end, if/when he's killed, he becomes tacos just like the rest. These bulls are also bred to be that dangerous, so it's no like there is anything else to be done with them other than killing them. I'd hate to see bullfighting die.

every time you post in a thread i should just quote you and say "this", because your views are always the exact same as mine, but they're always stated much better than what i would type.

Posted: 5/5/2011 10:39:38 AM EST

[#3]

Speaking of the first set of photos.

I don't cringe so much as the horn going into the throat as much as I do at the thought of having all those teeth knocked out.

Posted: 5/5/2011 10:46:43 AM EST

[#4]

Quoted:

What's a good round for angry bulls?

Shotgun sabot slug seems appropriate...but was wondering what the hive would suggest.

I'm going to go with .338 Lapua or better, preferably from at least 500m away in an elevated position, or something belt-fed in 7.62x51 from an armored vehicle.

Posted: 5/5/2011 10:48:18 AM EST

[#5]

Quoted:
I'm okay with this.

Me too.

You know, if you make a living taunting powerful, agressive, and dangerous animals, then slowly kill them for the crowd's amusement, you get what you deserve.

Looks like Juan's gonna need some bridge work.

Posted: 5/5/2011 10:51:33 AM EST

[#6]

Ole'!!!

Posted: 5/5/2011 10:51:56 AM EST

[#7]

Those bulls are pretty damn accurate with those horns!

Posted: 5/5/2011 10:52:12 AM EST

[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:
If the bull could not win the bullfight would be far less interesting just like hunting dangerous game would be far less interesting if there was actually no danger involved. I'd love to see a bullfight someday. I actually think it gives the bull a more dignified death than being led to a slaughterhouse. He fights for his life and can actually win. And in the end, if/when he's killed, he becomes tacos just like the rest. These bulls are also bred to be that dangerous, so it's no like there is anything else to be done with them other than killing them. I'd hate to see bullfighting die.

every time you post in a thread i should just quote you and say "this", because your views are always the exact same as mine, but they're always stated much better than what i would type.

Stupid. Proof that some cultures/peoples stay stuck in adolescent mode. Little more "sporting" than "canned hunts". A bull or cow at the slaughter house meets its end far faster than this. Death happens in seconds. This is a protracted blood-letting for max spectacle. It's throw-back century thinking. That they're bred for it is simply for, as stated, maximizing spectacle.

If something has to die, then just kill it quick.

Posted: 5/5/2011 10:53:40 AM EST

[#9]

This happened the day before I ran. While we were waiting for the run, there we old men with news papers with this picture on it saying in Spanish, "This is going to happen to you! Don't run!"
JOhn

Posted: 5/5/2011 11:02:22 AM EST

[#10]

Fuckem.

Good stab

Posted: 5/5/2011 11:11:29 AM EST

[#11]

Kevin Bacon?

Posted: 5/5/2011 11:13:04 AM EST

[#12]

Did the Japanese invent bull fighting? It seems like something they would come up with.

Posted: 5/5/2011 11:14:13 AM EST

[#13]

"There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games.”

-Ernest Hemingway

Posted: 5/5/2011 11:15:40 AM EST

[#14]

Quoted:

Did the Japanese invent bull fighting? It seems like something they would come up with.

That's too many clothes to be a Japanese sport...

Posted: 5/5/2011 11:30:04 AM EST

[#15]

messed with the wrong animal.

Posted: 5/5/2011 11:50:01 AM EST

[#16]

Posted: 5/5/2011 11:52:53 AM EST

[#17]

Quoted:
http://www.clevelandleader.com/files/bull-gored.jpg

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/07_01/Ouch!R_468x313.jpg

DP for the win

Posted: 5/5/2011 11:55:32 AM EST

[#18]

Quoted:

Quoted:
If the bull could not win the bullfight would be far less interesting just like hunting dangerous game would be far less interesting if there was actually no danger involved. I'd love to see a bullfight someday. I actually think it gives the bull a more dignified death than being led to a slaughterhouse. He fights for his life and can actually win. And in the end, if/when he's killed, he becomes tacos just like the rest. These bulls are also bred to be that dangerous, so it's no like there is anything else to be done with them other than killing them. I'd hate to see bullfighting die.

every time you post in a thread i should just quote you and say "this", because your views are always the exact same as mine, but they're always stated much better than what i would type.

Stupid. Proof that some cultures/peoples stay stuck in adolescent mode. Little more "sporting" than "canned hunts". A bull or cow at the slaughter house meets its end far faster than this. Death happens in seconds. This is a protracted blood-letting for max spectacle. It's throw-back century thinking. That they're bred for it is simply for, as stated, maximizing spectacle.

If something has to die, then just kill it quick.

It's as sporting as hunting for dangerous game (and I don't mean canned hunts). The difference is that one is more ritualized and intended for an audience while the other is more ad hoc and personal/private. A bull or cow at a slaughterhouse just marches on to its death. The bull at a fight fights for his life. Think about it this way. Would you personally prefer to walk on down to the gas chambers or would you rather fight to the death with a small chance you will live to see another day? While animals are not people, the dignity is still afforded to them in this case. These types of sports (real hunting, bull-fighting, etc.) are meant to keep man in touch with his primal heritage. Some people can never understand this and thus hate it, but I get it and it is something I want to be a part of when I can afford it.

Posted: 5/5/2011 11:57:19 AM EST

[#19]

Quoted:

"There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games.”

-Ernest Hemingway

Nice quote. I would add dangerous game hunting to that as well. I'm surprised a hunter like Hemingway would not have included something like that.

Posted: 5/5/2011 12:08:36 PM EST

[#20]

Ouch.

Posted: 5/5/2011 1:08:29 PM EST

[#21]

Quoted:

Quoted:
10/10

and alot of this

Quoted:
I'm okay with this.

Matadors are bitches

Yep. And a heck of a tough bull to keep on going after most of the muscles he needs to keep his head up have been cut by the other fellows stabbing the crap out of him before the pussy bull "fighter" gets in the ring with him

Posted: 5/5/2011 1:10:09 PM EST

[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:
http://www.clevelandleader.com/files/bull-gored.jpg

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/07_01/Ouch!R_468x313.jpg

Rectum, damn near killed him!

Hehe.....guess those two will stop pestering their wives/girlfriends to try anal!

Posted: 5/5/2011 1:16:21 PM EST

[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:
If the bull could not win the bullfight would be far less interesting just like hunting dangerous game would be far less interesting if there was actually no danger involved. I'd love to see a bullfight someday. I actually think it gives the bull a more dignified death than being led to a slaughterhouse. He fights for his life and can actually win. And in the end, if/when he's killed, he becomes tacos just like the rest. These bulls are also bred to be that dangerous, so it's no like there is anything else to be done with them other than killing them. I'd hate to see bullfighting die.

every time you post in a thread i should just quote you and say "this", because your views are always the exact same as mine, but they're always stated much better than what i would type.

Stupid. Proof that some cultures/peoples stay stuck in adolescent mode. Little more "sporting" than "canned hunts". A bull or cow at the slaughter house meets its end far faster than this. Death happens in seconds. This is a protracted blood-letting for max spectacle. It's throw-back century thinking. That they're bred for it is simply for, as stated, maximizing spectacle.

If something has to die, then just kill it quick.

It's as sporting as hunting for dangerous game (and I don't mean canned hunts). The difference is that one is more ritualized and intended for an audience while the other is more ad hoc and personal/private. A bull or cow at a slaughterhouse just marches on to its death. The bull at a fight fights for his life. Think about it this way. Would you personally prefer to walk on down to the gas chambers or would you rather fight to the death with a small chance you will live to see another day? While animals are not people, the dignity is still afforded to them in this case. These types of sports (real hunting, bull-fighting, etc.) are meant to keep man in touch with his primal heritage. Some people can never understand this and thus hate it, but I get it and it is something I want to be a part of when I can afford it.

Perhaps you mght feel compelled to compare Spanish BF to hunting or maybe even American football. The only real point of comparison is the shared spectacle. There is basic utlity with hunting. whatever emotional-philosophical characteristic you want to assign to it, at its core, it's about putting food on the table - as was the point from the beginning. The bull doesn't have any say in this spectacle, & it isn't being hunted. Instead it's being made "sport" of, via the expense of its own misery. So, given the choice between essentially bleeding it slowly & putting it down quickly, I'll vote for the latter. The Auschwitz analogy is false dichotomy. Lining people up & exterminating them - by whatever means - is what I'd categorize as immoral. People aren't food or sport. I personally don't condone hunting animals purely for trophies/sport. Take the sporting factor of hunting as a natural "byproduct", if you will, but if that underlying utility of putting food on the table isn't there, then it's a waste, IMO. If you disagree, then we'll agree to not seeing eye-to-eye on that.

Posted: 5/5/2011 1:18:42 PM EST

[#24]

Quoted:
...heck of a tough bull to keep on going after most of the muscles he needs to keep his head up have been cut by the other fellows stabbing the crap out of him before the pussy bull "fighter" gets in the ring with him

Didn't know about the setup. That's messed up.

Posted: 5/5/2011 1:23:20 PM EST

[#25]

Quoted:

Quoted:
If the bull could not win the bullfight would be far less interesting just like hunting dangerous game would be far less interesting if there was actually no danger involved. I'd love to see a bullfight someday. I actually think it gives the bull a more dignified death than being led to a slaughterhouse. He fights for his life and can actually win. And in the end, if/when he's killed, he becomes tacos just like the rest. These bulls are also bred to be that dangerous, so it's no like there is anything else to be done with them other than killing them. I'd hate to see bullfighting die.

every time you post in a thread i should just quote you and say "this", because your views are always the exact same as mine, but they're always stated much better than what i would type.

Stupid. Proof that some cultures/peoples stay stuck in adolescent mode. Little more "sporting" than "canned hunts". A bull or cow at the slaughter house meets its end far faster than this. Death happens in seconds. This is a protracted blood-letting for max spectacle. It's throw-back century thinking. That they're bred for it is simply for, as stated, maximizing spectacle.

If something has to die, then just kill it quick.

It's as sporting as hunting for dangerous game (and I don't mean canned hunts). The difference is that one is more ritualized and intended for an audience while the other is more ad hoc and personal/private. A bull or cow at a slaughterhouse just marches on to its death. The bull at a fight fights for his life. Think about it this way. Would you personally prefer to walk on down to the gas chambers or would you rather fight to the death with a small chance you will live to see another day? While animals are not people, the dignity is still afforded to them in this case. These types of sports (real hunting, bull-fighting, etc.) are meant to keep man in touch with his primal heritage. Some people can never understand this and thus hate it, but I get it and it is something I want to be a part of when I can afford it.

Perhaps you mght feel compelled to compare Spanish BF to hunting or maybe even American football. The only real point of comparison is the shared spectacle. There is basic utlity with hunting. whatever emotional-philosophical characteristic you want to assign to it, at its core, it's about putting food on the table - as was the point from the beginning. The bull doesn't have any say in this spectacle, & it isn't being hunted. Instead it's being made "sport" of, via the expense of its own misery. So, given the choice between essentially bleeding it slowly & putting it down quickly, I'll vote for the latter. The Auschwitz analogy is false dichotomy. Lining people up & exterminating them - by whatever means - is what I'd categorize as immoral. People aren't food or sport. I personally don't condone hunting animals purely for trophies/sport. Take the sporting factor of hunting as a natural "byproduct", if you will, but if that underlying utility of putting food on the table isn't there, then it's a waste, IMO. If you disagree, then we'll agree to not seeing eye-to-eye on that.

Most modern hunting, dangerous game hunting even moreso, i not about the meat, although sometimes it can be a byproduct. It is both cheaper and easier for most people to buy the meat from a store. Hunting today is about more than that.

Posted: 5/5/2011 6:50:19 PM EST

[#26]

bump

Posted: 5/6/2011 6:47:57 AM EST

[#27]

Quoted:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_dru4adsP4q0/Rpsi8h3lm6I/AAAAAAAAAMc/WycxElWdglo/s400/bull+gore+AP+photo+july+13+2007.jpg

This happened the day before I ran. While we were waiting for the run, there we old men with news papers with this picture on it saying in Spanish, "This is going to happen to you! Don't run!"

JOhn

They didn't get old by being stupid.