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Posted: 9/16/2016 6:38:39 PM EST
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My son is still researching electric, even Bluetooth charging. He says his info was CA school code, so maybe ours won't be so steict, but he needs to talk to a fire marshal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Solar and Electric are out, but I didn't hear you say anything about fusion!  My son is still researching electric, even Bluetooth charging. He says his info was CA school code, so maybe ours won't be so steict, but he needs to talk to a fire marshal. See if you can get some support from NASA, baring that the Soviets have been using small nuke plants to power their satellites for decades, maybe you can give them a chance to one up NASA once again.........surely they have a couple sitting around that they aren't going to use.  
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Posted: 9/17/2016 8:12:50 AM EST
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Do you need a model for the door gunner?
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Posted: 9/17/2016 11:11:11 AM EST
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Do you need a model for the door gunner? 
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Posted: 9/18/2016 5:58:21 PM EST
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Posted: 9/18/2016 7:06:20 PM EST
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OH, the photos THAT request could spawn......  I did have a request to start a mural in that area related to the shuttle. My ideas were much more tame.
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Posted: 9/19/2016 7:20:14 PM EST
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Update 9/19
We seem to be struggling for progress the last few couple weeks. This week's haiku I'm not sure what language they used this week.....it was up before I got in the room this morning. 
We moved the windows several times today and even the orientation of them changed after his photo. We did nail down their position, well, actually, with a stapler, so tomorrow, more body lines can get laid out. This is very slow work, but it needs to be perfect, so the kids are taking lots of measurments. 
The tail finally got real progress today. The ribbing is left, but they have three frames on the tail and it can now fit on the fusalage. 
This next bunch are the preliminary concept ideas for tshirts. We will cull out things that are not popular and make three tshirt designs out of the most popular imagery. Students used a "hot dot" voting method today to give us an idea of what's popular. We will give arfcom plenty of chances to critique and edit the designs. Some iconography my disapear, like the moon, and we may look for a satellite image. The kids don't seem to find the space shuttle door gunner image funny. If we use it, it probably will be small. 
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Posted: 9/20/2016 8:30:46 AM EST
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Option 3 of course!
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Update 9/19 We seem to be struggling for progress the last few couple weeks. This week's haiku I'm not sure what language they used this week.....it was up before I got in the room this morning. https://c3.staticflickr.com/9/8665/29688304442_7c3a19ae4b_b.jpg We moved the windows several times today and even the orientation of them changed after his photo. We did nail down their position, well, actually, with a stapler, so tomorrow, more body lines can get laid out. This is very slow work, but it needs to be perfect, so the kids are taking lots of measurments. https://c8.staticflickr.com/9/8505/29800925375_978684a5ca_b.jpg The tail finally got real progress today. The ribbing is left, but they have three frames on the tail and it can now fit on the fusalage. https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8130/29765325636_400f21870a_b.jpg This next bunch are the preliminary concept ideas for tshirts. We will cull out things that are not popular and make three tshirt designs out of the most popular imagery. Students used a "hot dot" voting method today to give us an idea of what's popular. We will give arfcom plenty of chances to critique and edit the designs. Some iconography my disapear, like the moon, and we may look for a satellite image. The kids don't seem to find the space shuttle door gunner image funny. If we use it, it probably will be small. https://c6.staticflickr.com/9/8420/29800916285_1e0bb33868_b.jpg https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8170/29765313796_985917c43d_b.jpg https://c2.staticflickr.com/9/8679/29718285921_28ae2d7727_b.jpg https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8445/29173382844_ba16cf1eac_b.jpg https://c6.staticflickr.com/9/8516/29718275861_faacc71142_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8263/29765284096_dfd964d540_b.jpg |
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Posted: 9/20/2016 9:09:18 AM EST
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This week's haiku I'm not sure what language they used this week.....it was up before I got in the room this morning. https://c3.staticflickr.com/9/8665/29688304442_7c3a19ae4b_b.jpg Hungarian? |
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Posted: 9/20/2016 9:56:49 AM EST
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This week's haiku I'm not sure what language they used this week.....it was up before I got in the room this morning. https://c3.staticflickr.com/9/8665/29688304442_7c3a19ae4b_b.jpg Hungarian? Yup, it's Hungarian. Bad Hungarian from what a buddy tells me. Out of curiosity, how do the kids decide what language to do their haiku? |
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Posted: 9/20/2016 9:57:43 AM EST
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Yup, it's Hungarian. Bad Hungarian from what a buddy tells me. Out of curiosity, how do the kids decide what language to do their haiku? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This week's haiku I'm not sure what language they used this week.....it was up before I got in the room this morning. https://c3.staticflickr.com/9/8665/29688304442_7c3a19ae4b_b.jpg Hungarian? Yup, it's Hungarian. Bad Hungarian from what a buddy tells me. Out of curiosity, how do the kids decide what language to do their haiku? Random selection from the dropdown in Google Translate. |
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Posted: 9/20/2016 10:52:16 AM EST
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Yup, it's Hungarian. Bad Hungarian from what a buddy tells me. Out of curiosity, how do the kids decide what language to do their haiku? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This week's haiku I'm not sure what language they used this week.....it was up before I got in the room this morning. https://c3.staticflickr.com/9/8665/29688304442_7c3a19ae4b_b.jpg Hungarian? Yup, it's Hungarian. Bad Hungarian from what a buddy tells me. Out of curiosity, how do the kids decide what language to do their haiku? I have not clue. 
They had it up there before I was even able to get in the room to take roll yesterday morning. They seem to be picking the languages by random. I asked them to spend more time on the actual poem, and less on picking the language. Harsh language was used towards me, and I evacuated to a safe space.
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Posted: 9/20/2016 10:52:52 AM EST
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This week's haiku I'm not sure what language they used this week.....it was up before I got in the room this morning. https://c3.staticflickr.com/9/8665/29688304442_7c3a19ae4b_b.jpg Hungarian? Yup, it's Hungarian. Bad Hungarian from what a buddy tells me. Out of curiosity, how do the kids decide what language to do their haiku? Random selection from the dropdown in Google Translate. Almost certainly, this. |
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Posted: 9/20/2016 11:09:55 AM EST
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Update 9/20
Tail is making progress today. We should have it ready to start skinning before the end of the day. 
The results of the "Hot Dot" voting.  Green is bad, yellow is 2nd fav, and Orang/Pink is most liked. They are not going to be happy when I tell them, the moon may not make the cut. They also have no appreciation for "Space Shuttle Door Gunner" They may not have a choice on that either.
I always find student voting interesting. They can pick the music, place to eat, subject to sculpt, or paint, and as a group, they will all end up hating it anyway. It makes no sense, but time after time I've found that to be true. Executive decisions based off of trends, end up being the most successful, IMHO. The t shirt designs might end up that way. We will see. 
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Posted: 9/20/2016 11:11:12 AM EST
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Yup, it's Hungarian. Bad Hungarian from what a buddy tells me. Out of curiosity, how do the kids decide what language to do their haiku? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This week's haiku I'm not sure what language they used this week.....it was up before I got in the room this morning. https://c3.staticflickr.com/9/8665/29688304442_7c3a19ae4b_b.jpg Hungarian? Yup, it's Hungarian. Bad Hungarian from what a buddy tells me. Out of curiosity, how do the kids decide what language to do their haiku? Are there any other languages that use both umlauts and acute diacritics? |
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Posted: 9/20/2016 11:23:20 AM EST
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Yup, it's Hungarian. Bad Hungarian from what a buddy tells me. Out of curiosity, how do the kids decide what language to do their haiku? Random selection from the dropdown in Google Translate. Almost certainly, this. Don't be surprised if they step up their game and hit you with some Elvish or Klingon.
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Posted: 9/20/2016 11:26:30 AM EST
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Don't be surprised if they step up their game and hit you with some Elvish or Klingon. Now that would be something.
They will have to work to get their geek on for that. The group doing these are senior cheer leaders. |
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Posted: 9/20/2016 11:42:52 AM EST
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Now that would be something.
They will have to work to get their geek on for that. The group doing these are senior cheer leaders. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't be surprised if they step up their game and hit you with some Elvish or Klingon. Now that would be something.
They will have to work to get their geek on for that. The group doing these are senior cheer leaders. The power of unexpected kindness should not be underestimated.
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Posted: 9/20/2016 1:15:55 PM EST
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I've mixed Arabic w/ Klingon before in a rendition of the texas university fight song before. The t.u. grads didn't notice.
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Posted: 9/20/2016 2:43:51 PM EST
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Coming along nicely.
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Posted: 9/20/2016 2:50:19 PM EST
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It's obvious the poor children are color blind
The Wookies lunch program must have been the root cause or the virus
I can't wait for the shirts again....the girls probably want a "pinkish" moon
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Posted: 9/20/2016 3:18:37 PM EST
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If you're killing the moon on the t-shirt, send Papyrus with it
should rock an old school rounded NASA font.
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Posted: 9/20/2016 7:30:56 PM EST
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If you're killing the moon on the t-shirt, send Papyrus with it should rock an old school rounded NASA font.Yeah, I'm not wild about the fonts either. Good idea on finding old school NASA fonts. |
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Posted: 9/20/2016 8:15:20 PM EST
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Update 9/20.2
The afternoon rewarded us with the tail finally completely framed. 
This was also a major acomplishment. With the canopy windows tacked down, a couple girls figured out the exact position of some of the texture line changes. This provided us info for a couple more pieces to define the outside flat areas of the cockpit. We should get some of those flats on tomorrow. The skinning will begin. There was a look of fear on some of the students. They remembered the uboat and how difficult that started out. 
The CAD students are working to produce the engine cowlings. They cut out a preliminary piece today using the shop bot. It looks good, so hopefully we will have those parts soon. Still no wing spar mounts.
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Posted: 9/20/2016 9:29:47 PM EST
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Why are you building this in the atrium? I thought this was going to be sized to fit through your doorway?
For the tiles, a cheesy way out would be printing out the tile numbers on a laser printer, complete with black background. Seams could be added either way, then use 3M 77 adhesive spray to glue the tiled tiles onto the shuttle. Look at Imagemagick if you are overwhelmed by the complication of unique numbers for each tile, a script can build out the images ready to print in a jiffy. That may take away some "artwork", but just for the bottom/black half, there'd be plenty of opportunity left. |
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Posted: 9/20/2016 9:38:09 PM EST
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Why are you building this in the atrium? I thought this was going to be sized to fit through your doorway?
You missed the part where I miscalculated that the back of shuttle is slightly wider and taller than the main fuselage?
It would have fit if it wasn't so long and we didn't have to angle out the door. 
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Posted: 9/21/2016 12:25:49 PM EST
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PM sent!
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Posted: 9/21/2016 3:49:51 PM EST
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"Tourist vs. Wildlife" Day- Homecoming https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8787/29409191860_d6ff3e5786_b.jpg Definitely a Tourist look in Cody WY
Ha! I spent many a summer as a Cody tourist. Probably looked like this. Took my now wife there over the winter one time to visit family, we eat at the Irma for breakfast and she nearly jumped out of her skin when the table of "usuals" was passing around a new revolver for everyone to see.
Still have family out there. Uncle just sold his dealerships and "retired". Seems like one cousin might be high school aged now. Awesome thread. Followed the sub all last year too, this one is coming along pretty well! |
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Posted: 9/22/2016 5:04:58 AM EST
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Bump for the morning crew.
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Posted: 9/22/2016 8:42:13 PM EST
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Update 9/22
Other than the engine cowlings, and the back end we are done with the major framing. Here the final strips are going on the bottom of the fuselage. 
While waiting for our welding pieces to be finished we began some of the skinning.... 
The tail getting a few pieces also. 
With the knowledge that we gained last year, this process seemed to go better this year, although the forms were very basic that we were covering. We will have to be careful not to get too far ahead of ourselves while waiting for our brackets. 
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Posted: 9/22/2016 8:56:20 PM EST
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Looking great Guns! Can't wait to see all those tiles!
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Posted: 9/22/2016 9:02:31 PM EST
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Can't wait to follow the skin placement
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Posted: 9/22/2016 9:04:14 PM EST
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Looking great Guns! Can't wait to see all those tiles! Sadists......the lot of you.
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Posted: 9/22/2016 9:19:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sadists......the lot of you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Looking great Guns! Can't wait to see all those tiles! Sadists......the lot of you. |
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Posted: 9/22/2016 9:29:16 PM EST
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Looking great Guns! Can't wait to see all those tiles! Sadists......the lot of you. I'm not 100%. I've got some black mat board ordered. It's going to take a bit, unless I use the stuff I have on hand. Apparently, someone from the main office went on vacation and doesn't trust anyone else to approve orders in the district so I have to wait till the end of the month.
I think with some lines snapped down, we can glue tiles down in a pattern. The mat board should be easy to cut into tile shapes, then stencil on numbers later. |
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Posted: 9/22/2016 9:38:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not 100%. I've got some black mat board ordered. It's going to take a bit, unless I use the stuff I have on hand. Apparently, someone from the main office went on vacation and doesn't trust anyone else to approve orders in the district so I have to wait till the end of the month. I think with some lines snapped down, we can glue tiles down in a pattern. The mat board should be easy to cut into tile shapes, then stencil on numbers later. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Looking great Guns! Can't wait to see all those tiles! Sadists......the lot of you. I'm not 100%. I've got some black mat board ordered. It's going to take a bit, unless I use the stuff I have on hand. Apparently, someone from the main office went on vacation and doesn't trust anyone else to approve orders in the district so I have to wait till the end of the month. I think with some lines snapped down, we can glue tiles down in a pattern. The mat board should be easy to cut into tile shapes, then stencil on numbers later. Those folks were only working with slide rules and caffeine, for Cripes sake!!! |
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Posted: 9/22/2016 9:48:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:Sounds like a solid approach, but don't get too depressed when you realize that the tiles aren't lined up in any coherent lines to speak of. The tiles really are one of the most interesting parts of the whole shuttle experience to me; I mean how in the hell did anyone EVER come up with what the individual tile shapes should be?
Those folks were only working with slide rules and caffeine, for Cripes sake!!! Well, I can tell you, we won't be able to make the tiles match exactly. Hopefully arfcom won't be too disappointed in our rendering. I have no illusions about getting them exact.
The good news is we are proceding with the idea of lights and possible doors opening and closing. If we cant make the doors open and close, maybe the arm reach out and retract. We think as long as we run it all in conduit, we will make everyone happy. They are gathering a list of supplies they need . Hopefully we can make it happen. |
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Posted: 9/22/2016 10:45:29 PM EST
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You missed the part where I miscalculated that the back of shuttle is slightly wider and taller than the main fuselage?
It would have fit if it wasn't so long and we didn't have to angle out the door.
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Why are you building this in the atrium? I thought this was going to be sized to fit through your doorway?
You missed the part where I miscalculated that the back of shuttle is slightly wider and taller than the main fuselage?
It would have fit if it wasn't so long and we didn't have to angle out the door.
Can you section off the back 3 frames the way you did with the 2 halves of the sub? May increase efficiency and avoid some major issues if people knock it over between classes. I notice you are sheeting the entire bay? Will the doors open and close? I think I missed that too. For power, you should be able to get a 12V adapter in the wall, and run that through speaker cable to the shuttle. Should be fine for 100W (8 Amp) or less load. |
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Posted: 9/23/2016 5:59:47 AM EST
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Can you section off the back 3 frames the way you did with the 2 halves of the sub? May increase efficiency and avoid some major issues if people knock it over between classes. I notice you are sheeting the entire bay? Will the doors open and close? I think I missed that too. For power, you should be able to get a 12V adapter in the wall, and run that through speaker cable to the shuttle. Should be fine for 100W (8 Amp) or less load. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why are you building this in the atrium? I thought this was going to be sized to fit through your doorway?
You missed the part where I miscalculated that the back of shuttle is slightly wider and taller than the main fuselage?
It would have fit if it wasn't so long and we didn't have to angle out the door.
Can you section off the back 3 frames the way you did with the 2 halves of the sub? May increase efficiency and avoid some major issues if people knock it over between classes. I notice you are sheeting the entire bay? Will the doors open and close? I think I missed that too. For power, you should be able to get a 12V adapter in the wall, and run that through speaker cable to the shuttle. Should be fine for 100W (8 Amp) or less load. Probably would have been a good idea........if we would have done it earlier. We are a little far into it at this point to go cutting off the back. We are probably fine. We did much of our painting and detail work on the uboat right where this is. Kids respect the work pretty well, and are used to it being there at this point. 
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Posted: 9/23/2016 6:32:50 AM EST
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How about using a number stamp to do the numbers:
http://www.thestampmaker.com/Products/Trodat-4846-Number-Stamp__TRODAT_4846.aspx?gclid=CN-r57Oxpc8CFYEYgQodjnQOUg A light colored ink would work for a dark tile, and allow you to to sequential numbers easily. |
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Posted: 9/23/2016 6:42:26 AM EST
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How thick is the mat board?
Just spitballing here... Could you draw an accurate diagram of tiles (or closer to accurate) on mat board, then cut partially through drawn lines? When secured to convex curves, the board would spread, revealing individual--but attached--tiles. |
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Posted: 9/23/2016 7:45:04 AM EST
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How thick is the mat board? Just spitballing here... Could you draw an accurate diagram of tiles (or closer to accurate) on mat board, then cut partially through drawn lines? When secured to convex curves, the board would spread, revealing individual--but attached--tiles. I'm hoping we can experiment with his a little. The problem always comes down to "only cutting partially through". Thats a tough one for kids sometimes. 
We might be able to do it in some sections, other areas might end up as single tiles, one at a time. I just don't know yet.
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Posted: 9/23/2016 7:46:45 AM EST
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How about using a number stamp to do the numbers: http://www.thestampmaker.com/Products/Trodat-4846-Number-Stamp__TRODAT_4846.aspx?gclid=CN-r57Oxpc8CFYEYgQodjnQOUg A light colored ink would work for a dark tile, and allow you to to sequential numbers easily. Possible, but I'm guessing the ink might not be thick enough on the absorbent mat board. |
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Posted: 9/23/2016 7:48:33 AM EST
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In! I lurked long enough to know you guys do awesome work.
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Posted: 9/23/2016 8:21:37 AM EST
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Use open sided corrugated cardboard for the tiles.
4x100ft rolls for $40 at McMaster. 
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Posted: 9/23/2016 9:05:44 AM EST
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I'm hoping we can experiment with his a little. The problem always comes down to "only cutting partially through". Thats a tough one for kids sometimes.
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We might be able to do it in some sections, other areas might end up as single tiles, one at a time. I just don't know yet. Put a piece of tape around the blade about 1/16" back from the tip, that will help maintain the depth of "halfway" as the board is cut, unless the tape moves... |
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Posted: 9/23/2016 10:37:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Put a piece of tape around the blade about 1/16" back from the tip, that will help maintain the depth of "halfway" as the board is cut, unless the tape moves... I recommended this before, and still believe it would work amazingly well. Get some 1/4 in Styrofoam insulation sheets from Home Dept. Cut them into long strips that are the right dimension for the areas you are working in, then cut the strips to length. This material is incredibly easy to cut with a ruler and an X-Acto knife. If you need some, I'll send you some handles and a 100 pack of blades. (the key to cutting Styrofoam smoothly is sharp blades). I believe this would look perfect when painted flat black. It will glue to the paper board with Elmer's glue and stay solidly attached. It even has a very good texture that will replicate the foamy look of the heat tiles. You have to be careful when spray painting foam... use an airbrush with acrylic, rather than spray cans, since those will eat the foam if applied to thickly.
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Posted: 9/23/2016 10:37:35 AM EST
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Put a piece of tape around the blade about 1/16" back from the tip, that will help maintain the depth of "halfway" as the board is cut, unless the tape moves... We played around with this a bit this morning. The tile sizes in 1/12th scale are roughly 1"×1 1/4". Scoring the board and keeping straight lines will not work. The board also peals back at the corners. I'll post pictures later. |
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Posted: 9/23/2016 10:40:37 AM EST
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epoxy a piece of wood to the razor blade, as a depth guide. Assuming you are using utility knifes. I recommended this before, and still believe it would work amazingly well. Get some 1/4 in Styrofoam insulation sheets from Home Dept. Cut them into long strips that are the right dimension for the areas you are working in, then cut the strips to length. This material is incredibly easy to cut with a ruler and an X-Acto knife. If you need some, I'll send you some handles and a 100 pack of blades. (the key to cutting Styrofoam smoothly is sharp blades). I believe this would look perfect when painted flat black. It will glue to the paper board with Elmer's glue and stay solidly attached. It even has a very good texture that will replicate the foamy look of the heat tiles. It comes in sheets that are 48 in x 50 ft http://commerce.bluelinxco.com/wcsstore/ExtendedSitesCatalogAssetStore/images/product/104914528_225.png Looks like a sheet is about $35 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Put a piece of tape around the blade about 1/16" back from the tip, that will help maintain the depth of "halfway" as the board is cut, unless the tape moves... I recommended this before, and still believe it would work amazingly well. Get some 1/4 in Styrofoam insulation sheets from Home Dept. Cut them into long strips that are the right dimension for the areas you are working in, then cut the strips to length. This material is incredibly easy to cut with a ruler and an X-Acto knife. If you need some, I'll send you some handles and a 100 pack of blades. (the key to cutting Styrofoam smoothly is sharp blades). I believe this would look perfect when painted flat black. It will glue to the paper board with Elmer's glue and stay solidly attached. It even has a very good texture that will replicate the foamy look of the heat tiles. It comes in sheets that are 48 in x 50 ft http://commerce.bluelinxco.com/wcsstore/ExtendedSitesCatalogAssetStore/images/product/104914528_225.png Looks like a sheet is about $35 I like your thinking, but it will crush too easily. |
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Posted: 9/23/2016 6:33:49 PM EST
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Update 9/23
Ok, as for the tiles that you sadistic people seem to be fixated on....
This is what happens if we score a piece of black mat. We are also playing with long strips, scored into 1x11/4" pieces. That might have more success, but I feel the scoring isn't going to leave enough of a gap to actually notice individual tiles. I think we are going to be stuck gluing each tile, one at a time. 
Still waiting for wing spar brackets.
The skin keeps going on. The inside of the doors. ..... 
Doors closed.... 
Kids wanted pictures with the doors open too. I saw the principal in the halls today and I shouted down to him that I was putting in for a bigger aircraft hanger next year....he thought that was pretty funny.
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Posted: 9/23/2016 8:12:55 PM EST
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On some missions, there was a long retractable solar panel that extended from the cargo bay for additional power - think it extended mission life to 30 days or so...
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