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Posted: 12/4/2023 11:12:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It would save a lot of time and effort to just pile the money up on the capital mall and light it on fire. A comment worthy of a 20er. Deep in thought and definitely adding to the conversation. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 11:13:10 AM EDT
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We could give them 40 Trillion ...if all their sons are dead and the Dollars are worthless none of it will matter.
RU is not just gaining ground in Ukraine...their gaining legitimacy around the globe. In a world of madness it takes way less to become a global leader. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 11:13:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It would save a lot of time and effort to just pile the money up on the capital mall and light it on fire. Ukraine has been very effective at crushing the Russian war machine which is hugely important for us, disabling a Chinese ally that pins US and allied forces in Europe and emboldens Iran and China. If we hadn't been stingy and slow on aid, and we have, then Russia would have withdrawn an this would have been over already. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 11:14:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We could give them 40 Trillion ...if all their sons are dead and the Dollars are worthless none of it will matter. RU is not just gaining ground in Ukraine...their gaining legitimacy around the globe. In a world of madness it takes way less to become a global leader. Not |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 11:17:51 AM EDT
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Fractional reserve banking requires the perpetual expansion of the "money" (term used very loosely) supply to be sustained. Liquidity has to come from somehwere lest the system collapse.
They're giving you time. Use it wisely because it works until it doesn't. Put yourself on the right side of weiji. End bancos los federales before bancos los federales end you. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 11:20:43 AM EDT
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Our money to Ukraine has done What for Ukraine???
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Posted: 12/4/2023 11:21:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Our money to Ukraine has done What for Ukraine??? They still exist. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 11:22:28 AM EDT
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This is nothing I'm waiting for the rebuild
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Posted: 12/4/2023 11:22:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They still exist. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Our money to Ukraine has done What for Ukraine??? They still exist. As What? |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 11:24:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As What? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Our money to Ukraine has done What for Ukraine??? They still exist. As What? The same corrupt shithole it was before; the MSM just changed the headlines. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 11:27:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: First, the numbers we have "sent" are bullshit because we have sent a lot of equipment that was paid for long ago, and is sitting around costing us maintenance/storage/disposal costs we no longer have to pay. But the VALUES for those billions are inflation adjusted off of what we originally paid!!! It is just silly. Is this true? |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 11:29:47 AM EDT
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Awesome! Now Zelenski and his whore can finally afford those new matching mega yachts they wanted to buy eachother for Christmas! Thanks to joe biden for fleecing the American taxpayers to pay off his extortion payments. This is really going to boost that bidenomics plan of his thats been working so well for all of us. Just in time for Christmas too!
What great time to be an American. 
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Posted: 12/4/2023 11:36:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As What? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Our money to Ukraine has done What for Ukraine??? They still exist. As What? A people that currently aren't subjugated by it's neighbors. I don't understand when this very very basic understanding became something to question. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 11:36:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this true? Yes it is true the aid complex, NOT just "here is a pile of $50 billion have fun do whatevs" despite all the Russian bullshit propaganda that it goes to buy yachts. Some of the aid is equipment valued in only the weird BS ass way DOD.gov accounting does things, as in we actually count it as having cost us billions when we actually save ourselves money because we don't let our stockpiles sit out and rust like old Soviet shit the Ruskies are spending a fortune to rehab. We maintain our shit and have to dispose of it properly when done... or we can give it away. We are keeping 3000 M1 tanks that we will never use. We are giving Ukraine a few dozen. We should give away 1000! Huge savings for us and end the war in a year or two. Some of the aid is us paying ourselves to train Ukrainian soldiers and pilots. Some of the aid is us loaning money to Ukraine to buy shit from us. Some of the aid is us buying them weapons. And yes some of it is in fact funds to keep their troops paid and lights on.  Oh yes, and we are spending tens of millions on oversight, despite what the propoganda says. PS, when this is over, we will have created a huge customer for US goods and services, including military hardware. https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts https://www.csis.org/analysis/past-present-and-future-us-assistance-ukraine-deep-dive-data https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12040#:~:text=This%20amount%20included%20%2425.93%20billion,Military%20Financing%20(FMF%3B%2022%20U.S.C. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 11:39:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: None of it should be cash, period. It should be tracked, cataloged, and managed aid that is overseen so as much as possible goes to stopping Russia..not filling anyone's pocket. And neither should they be valuing surplus, boneyard M113s as a million each. Or ancient Atacms missiles. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How much is cash vs a line of credit to buy shit from our MIC, or old gear we would pay to demil that is actually saving us cash sending to Ukraine for them to dispose of for us? There is a big difference. None of it should be cash, period. It should be tracked, cataloged, and managed aid that is overseen so as much as possible goes to stopping Russia..not filling anyone's pocket. And neither should they be valuing surplus, boneyard M113s as a million each. Or ancient Atacms missiles. Agreed but I wouldnt mind even seeing a line of credit to pay for us expanding munitions capacity. That helps offset some of our cost doing it, but more importantly starts the process now ahead of when we will need it. That money would mostly be returning to US workers and a bunch would get sucked back out of the system via taxes reducing the inflationary impact. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 11:42:05 AM EDT
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At this point just give everyone in America a million dollars … FFS
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Posted: 12/4/2023 11:55:16 AM EDT
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Is there any doubt why the USA is bankrupt? How about we start by securing our own border?
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Posted: 12/4/2023 12:06:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine has been very effective at crushing the Russian war machine which is hugely important for us, disabling a Chinese ally that pins US and allied forces in Europe and emboldens Iran and China. If we hadn't been stingy and slow on aid, and we have, then Russia would have withdrawn an this would have been over already. And what value does getting a bunch of Russians and Ukrainians killed bring to the US? Russia, China and Iran have 0 ability to project power outside their regions. Until the US blew up Nordstream Russia had a strong incentive to get along with western Europe. Border disputes over the old administrative boundaries of the USSR are not a vital security concern here in the US. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 12:09:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We spent around 20 trillion fighting two different wars over two decades in the middle east. A few billion to Ukraine is the least of our problems. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Amazing how so many here will cheer our country being run to the ground for the sake of Ukraine. We spent around 20 trillion fighting two different wars over two decades in the middle east. A few billion to Ukraine is the least of our problems. That attitude is the core of all our problems, “ it’s not really that big a deal “, “ that behaviors kinda offensive, but not really that bad “, “ another 5 million illegals ? Not that bad , because that thing over there IS MUCH WORSE. we already have 40 million “, “ governments not that corrupt, it’s not that bad “, yet it all adds up to a massive , huge, unfixable, self destructive, dysfunctional, mess. Because everyone’s got THEIR pet selfish thing that’s “ not that big a deal”, and combined it’s a catastrophically big deal, financially, morally, legally, tyrannically, etc. Citizens should be going full retard over any “ small issue”, like the French farmers do over a proposed 1% cheese tax, because heavy push back keeps stupid shit in check, while being “ understanding and forgiving “ is how you lose your country and society. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 12:12:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The more money Uncle Sugar sends to Ukraine, the less money they have to screw me over. Wrong-a-mundo! 
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Posted: 12/4/2023 12:15:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We spent around 20 trillion fighting two different wars over two decades in the middle east. A few billion to Ukraine is the least of our problems. I don't think anyone is feeling warm and fuzzy about the other two either unless they are enjoying the U.S. burying itself in debt. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 12:15:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes it is true the aid complex, NOT just "here is a pile of $50 billion have fun do whatevs" despite all the Russian bullshit propaganda that it goes to buy yachts. Some of the aid is equipment valued in only the weird BS ass way DOD.gov accounting does things, as in we actually count it as having cost us billions when we actually save ourselves money because we don't let our stockpiles sit out and rust like old Soviet shit the Ruskies are spending a fortune to rehab. We maintain our shit and have to dispose of it properly when done... or we can give it away. We are keeping 3000 M1 tanks that we will never use. We are giving Ukraine a few dozen. We should give away 1000! Huge savings for us and end the war in a year or two. Some of the aid is us paying ourselves to train Ukrainian soldiers and pilots. Some of the aid is us loaning money to Ukraine to buy shit from us. Some of the aid is us buying them weapons. And yes some of it is in fact funds to keep their troops paid and lights on. https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2023/10/cfr-ukraine-aid-1.png Oh yes, and we are spending tens of millions on oversight, despite what the propoganda says. PS, when this is over, we will have created a huge customer for US goods and services, including military hardware. https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts https://www.csis.org/analysis/past-present-and-future-us-assistance-ukraine-deep-dive-data https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12040#:~:text=This%20amount%20included%20%2425.93%20billion,Military%20Financing%20(FMF%3B%2022%20U.S.C. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 12:18:21 PM EDT
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I hope we can eat ukranians. We are spending ourselves into a collapse. Our enemies are using our big heart and small brain against us.
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Posted: 12/4/2023 12:18:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes it is true the aid complex, NOT just "here is a pile of $50 billion have fun do whatevs" despite all the Russian bullshit propaganda that it goes to buy yachts. Some of the aid is equipment valued in only the weird BS ass way DOD.gov accounting does things, as in we actually count it as having cost us billions when we actually save ourselves money because we don't let our stockpiles sit out and rust like old Soviet shit the Ruskies are spending a fortune to rehab. We maintain our shit and have to dispose of it properly when done... or we can give it away. We are keeping 3000 M1 tanks that we will never use. We are giving Ukraine a few dozen. We should give away 1000! Huge savings for us and end the war in a year or two. Some of the aid is us paying ourselves to train Ukrainian soldiers and pilots. Some of the aid is us loaning money to Ukraine to buy shit from us. Some of the aid is us buying them weapons. And yes some of it is in fact funds to keep their troops paid and lights on. https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2023/10/cfr-ukraine-aid-1.png Oh yes, and we are spending tens of millions on oversight, despite what the propoganda says. PS, when this is over, we will have created a huge customer for US goods and services, including military hardware. https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts https://www.csis.org/analysis/past-present-and-future-us-assistance-ukraine-deep-dive-data https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12040#:~:text=This%20amount%20included%20%2425.93%20billion,Military%20Financing%20(FMF%3B%2022%20U.S.C. Loans, from the FMF, are a sliver of the aid we’ve provided. And the only reason for that is that the FMF is scraping the bottom of the barrel after the grant money was exhausted.  Attached FileConversely, the overwhelming majority of the aid from EU, Germany, etc., is loans in the form of credit lines, extending through 2032. Even the EU’s current aid proposal is overwhelming loans. EU’s Budget Dispute Care to take a guess at whose cash will be used by Ukraine to pay back those Eurotrash loans. Hint, go look in the mirror. The EU borrows money on the capital markets, loans it to Ukraine and then US taxpayers give Ukraine money to pay back the EU loans. It sure would be refreshing to see the UkeBros stand up for the US as much as they do Ukraine. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 12:23:33 PM EDT
[#25]
Time to vacate the Chair.
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Posted: 12/4/2023 12:26:26 PM EDT
[#26]
Another Ukraine thread......shocking.
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Posted: 12/4/2023 12:29:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes it is true the aid complex, NOT just "here is a pile of $50 billion have fun do whatevs" despite all the Russian bullshit propaganda that it goes to buy yachts. Some of the aid is equipment valued in only the weird BS ass way DOD.gov accounting does things, as in we actually count it as having cost us billions when we actually save ourselves money because we don't let our stockpiles sit out and rust like old Soviet shit the Ruskies are spending a fortune to rehab. We maintain our shit and have to dispose of it properly when done... or we can give it away. We are keeping 3000 M1 tanks that we will never use. We are giving Ukraine a few dozen. We should give away 1000! Huge savings for us and end the war in a year or two. Some of the aid is us paying ourselves to train Ukrainian soldiers and pilots. Some of the aid is us loaning money to Ukraine to buy shit from us. Some of the aid is us buying them weapons. And yes some of it is in fact funds to keep their troops paid and lights on. https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2023/10/cfr-ukraine-aid-1.png Oh yes, and we are spending tens of millions on oversight, despite what the propoganda says. PS, when this is over, we will have created a huge customer for US goods and services, including military hardware. https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts https://www.csis.org/analysis/past-present-and-future-us-assistance-ukraine-deep-dive-data https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12040#:~:text=This%20amount%20included%20%2425.93%20billion,Military%20Financing%20(FMF%3B%2022%20U.S.C. The same oversight apparatus that convinced everyone Afghanistan was winnable? Lol. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 12:30:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Another Ukraine thread......shocking. Its one sides current god to be worshipped. Something new corrupt and anti-America will come along shortly for them to be passionate about. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 12:30:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And what value does getting a bunch of Russians and Ukrainians killed bring to the US? Russia, China and Iran have 0 ability to project power outside their regions. Until the US blew up Nordstream Russia had a strong incentive to get along with western Europe. Border disputes over the old administrative boundaries of the USSR are not a vital security concern here in the US. That Natgas will end up in Chyna , our trade deficit to them will pay for it and that money ends up in Russia . Things are circular . |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 12:32:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And what value does getting a bunch of Russians and Ukrainians killed bring to the US? Russia, China and Iran have 0 ability to project power outside their regions. Until the US blew up Nordstream Russia had a strong incentive to get along with western Europe. Border disputes over the old administrative boundaries of the USSR are not a vital security concern here in the US. You call Russia's aggressive invasion of a country of 40 million that is the size of Texas with the goal to annex it just like the Nazis annexing France and Poland... "a border dispute over administrative boundries." Yea that bullshit is straight up Soviet propaganda level. Russia blew up the Nordstream. Russia was NOT getting along with Western Europe BEFORE they blew up the pipeline. Do you get your talking points from Tucker and Lavrov? Russia, China, and Iran are collectively fucking up US interests in and BEYOND their regions. That affects US trade and US interests in a free world with rules based international relations and trade. I've already explained why China needs us pinned down in Europe, ME, and more. We have to reject aggressive international expansion and help Ukraine win the war quickly without American blood. Otherwise, we'll eventually have to pay the blood price down the line when our enemies are stronger. We are a Maritime nation, always have been. We built the system that makes us the greatest nation in history. International trade is 30% of our economy. China and Russia want that pie, plus power. Iran just wants the Islamic apocolypse and global islamism. Being isolationist will be our downfall, economically and politically. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 12:34:17 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Miss McCarthy yet? Not in the least. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 12:34:18 PM EDT
[#32]
Maybe Russia is doing to us what we did to them in the 80/90's bankrupting them by spending all that money on defense.
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Posted: 12/4/2023 12:34:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia blew up the Nordstream. Russia was not getting along with Western Europe BEFORE they blew up the pipeline. Russia, China, and Iran are collectively fucking up US interests in and BEYOND their regions. That affects US trade and US interests in a free world with rules based international relations and trade. I've already explained why China needs us pinned down in Europe, ME, and more. We have to reject aggressive international expansion and help Ukraine win the war quickly without American blood. Otherwise, we'll eventually have to pay the blood price down the line when our enemies are stronger. We are a Maritime nation, always have been. We built the system that makes us the greatest nation in history. International trade is 30% of our economy. China and Russia want that pie, plus power. Iran just wants the Islamic apocolypse and global islamism. Being isolationist will be our downfall, economically and politically. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And what value does getting a bunch of Russians and Ukrainians killed bring to the US? Russia, China and Iran have 0 ability to project power outside their regions. Until the US blew up Nordstream Russia had a strong incentive to get along with western Europe. Border disputes over the old administrative boundaries of the USSR are not a vital security concern here in the US. Russia blew up the Nordstream. Russia was not getting along with Western Europe BEFORE they blew up the pipeline. Russia, China, and Iran are collectively fucking up US interests in and BEYOND their regions. That affects US trade and US interests in a free world with rules based international relations and trade. I've already explained why China needs us pinned down in Europe, ME, and more. We have to reject aggressive international expansion and help Ukraine win the war quickly without American blood. Otherwise, we'll eventually have to pay the blood price down the line when our enemies are stronger. We are a Maritime nation, always have been. We built the system that makes us the greatest nation in history. International trade is 30% of our economy. China and Russia want that pie, plus power. Iran just wants the Islamic apocolypse and global islamism. Being isolationist will be our downfall, economically and politically. Not true. "A senior Ukrainian military officer with deep ties to the country’s intelligence services played a central role in the bombing of the Nord Stream natural gas pipelines last year, according to officials in Ukraine and elsewhere in Europe, as well as other people knowledgeable about the details of the covert operation." https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/11/nordstream-bombing-ukraine-chervinsky/ |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 12:35:45 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Being isolationist will be our downfall, economically and politically. Really? Seems like taking the advice of the UN and WHO and other shithead orgs while giving away endless billions to corrupt dumpster countries as our country spirals out of economic and social control seems to be doing more damage than telling the dirt farmers and the rest of the worldwide welfare recipients to piss off and build something for themselves. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 12:36:47 PM EDT
[#35]
Only if we can get cheap russian 7.62x39, AK, and other imports
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Posted: 12/4/2023 12:37:49 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Really? Seems like giving away endless billions to corrupt shitholes while our country spirals out of economic and social control seems to be doing more damage than telling the dirt farmers and the rest of the worldwide welfare recipients to piss off and build something for themselves. First of all your "give aways" are bullshit. Second, we aren't in an economic spiral, but I am super concerned about our social spiral. Third, US trade is about 8,000B per year and you are worried about a few dozen B to protect it and vital US interests. Take a close look at who is giving your the information and what side they actually support. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 12:40:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes it is.. I can’t find anything https://themessenger.com/politics/speaker-johnson-dismisses-wh-warning-that-congress-is-out-of-time-on-ukraine-funding |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 12:40:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: First of all your "give aways" are bullshit. Second, we aren't in an economic spiral, but I am super concerned about our social spiral. Third, US trade is about 8,000B per year and you are worried about a few dozen B to protect it and vital US interests. Take a close look at who is giving your the information and what side they actually support. 
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Posted: 12/4/2023 12:41:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: First of all your "give aways" are bullshit. Second, we aren't in an economic spiral, but I am super concerned about our social spiral. Third, US trade is about 8,000B per year and you are worried about a few dozen B to protect it and vital US interests. Take a close look at who is giving your the information and what side they actually support. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Really? Seems like giving away endless billions to corrupt shitholes while our country spirals out of economic and social control seems to be doing more damage than telling the dirt farmers and the rest of the worldwide welfare recipients to piss off and build something for themselves. First of all your "give aways" are bullshit. Second, we aren't in an economic spiral, but I am super concerned about our social spiral. Third, US trade is about 8,000B per year and you are worried about a few dozen B to protect it and vital US interests. Take a close look at who is giving your the information and what side they actually support. Ironic.  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 12:41:54 PM EDT
[#40]
Quoted: Letters, emails, and phone calls worked.
Mike Johnson is the man. A God-fearing Trump Republican. Trollololol |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 12:44:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "A senior Ukrainian military officer with deep ties to the country’s intelligence services So you got a single source who says he knows a guy who says that Ukraine did it. Or you have NATO allies saying they actually tracked the ship that left Russia, went to the pipeline spot that blew, put divers in, and then went back to Russia. Russian navy vessels seen near Nord Stream before blasts What is Maskirovka? If you don't know, you don't know Russian history, culture, and strategy. What is fucked is that people are pissed off enough at our own government, which has its failings for sure, that they are actually willing to be led by the nose by foreign propaganda from our enemies. Open your fucking eyes. You have become the useful idiot on the right, just like the useful idiot commie stooges on the left, past and present. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 12:46:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only if we can get cheap russian 7.62x39, AK, and other imports A wise man here people. I like you and I'd buy you a beer. 
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Posted: 12/4/2023 12:49:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you got a single source who says he knows a guy who says that Ukraine did it. Or you have NATO allies saying they actually tracked the ship that left Russia, went to the pipeline spot that blew, put divers in, and then went back to Russia. Russian navy vessels seen near Nord Stream before blasts What is Maskirovka? If you don't know, you don't know Russian history, culture, and strategy. What is fucked is that people are pissed off enough at our own government, which has its failings for sure, that they are actually willing to be led by the nose by foreign propaganda from our enemies. Open your fucking eyes. You have become the useful idiot on the right, just like the useful idiot commie stooges on the left, past and present. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "A senior Ukrainian military officer with deep ties to the country’s intelligence services So you got a single source who says he knows a guy who says that Ukraine did it. Or you have NATO allies saying they actually tracked the ship that left Russia, went to the pipeline spot that blew, put divers in, and then went back to Russia. Russian navy vessels seen near Nord Stream before blasts What is Maskirovka? If you don't know, you don't know Russian history, culture, and strategy. What is fucked is that people are pissed off enough at our own government, which has its failings for sure, that they are actually willing to be led by the nose by foreign propaganda from our enemies. Open your fucking eyes. You have become the useful idiot on the right, just like the useful idiot commie stooges on the left, past and present. Projection is real. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 12:51:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe Russia is doing to us what we did to them in the 80/90's bankrupting them by spending all that money on defense. That's a common chest thumping myth. USSR fell because of their own economic policies that would have broken them anyway. That and allowing elections and other reforms that undermined communist control. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 12:52:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are a fool. Even if it was set on fire it wouldn't run us into the ground. But the truth is it helps the US bigly. US GDP is 27,644B. 60B for a critical national goal is nothing. We are spending a pittance to preserve the system that supports our economy and fight an enemy of freedom while defending an ally... and it doesn't cost us a drop of American blood. We are the greatest country in the history of the world! We and our allies are worth fighting for against the forces of darkness: Russia, China, and Iran. Fuck Putin! USA! USA! USA! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Amazing how so many here will cheer our country being run to the ground for the sake of Ukraine. You are a fool. Even if it was set on fire it wouldn't run us into the ground. But the truth is it helps the US bigly. US GDP is 27,644B. 60B for a critical national goal is nothing. We are spending a pittance to preserve the system that supports our economy and fight an enemy of freedom while defending an ally... and it doesn't cost us a drop of American blood. We are the greatest country in the history of the world! We and our allies are worth fighting for against the forces of darkness: Russia, China, and Iran. Fuck Putin! USA! USA! USA! They are not an Ally Russia is not a military enemy. Ukr isn't even a worthwhile trading partner. Most of the 1.5 billion we import (70%) from them is Steel and Iron which we could do at home. Other than to make some basement cold-warriors jiz their pants there is no goal |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 12:55:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this true? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: First, the numbers we have "sent" are bullshit because we have sent a lot of equipment that was paid for long ago, and is sitting around costing us maintenance/storage/disposal costs we no longer have to pay. But the VALUES for those billions are inflation adjusted off of what we originally paid!!! It is just silly. Is this true? |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 1:07:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Care to explain what exactly is our "critical national goal" in Ukr? Quote HistoryQuoted: Care to explain what exactly is our "critical national goal" in Ukr? Opposing unchecked aggression by expansionist totalitarian assholes opposed to the free world and international system dominated by and benefiting the great USA. They are not an Ally They are a non-NATO ally. Russia is not a military enemy. Are you fucking joking? Russia has been our enemy since 1917 with a very brief "the enemy or our enemy is our temporary friend" from 1941-1945. They shoot down our planes and drones, they harass our ships, and they have done so for 100 years. They fuck our allies, attack them, infiltrate, and invade them. They didn't stop doing this after the USSR fell. They arm our enemies and fund them, train them, feed them intelligence. They fuck our interests. They believe they should be the dominant power, but they are weak so they ally with our prime enemy, Communist China. They are a military enemy with more NUKES pointed at us than the rest of the planet has combined. Their military threat status didn't end suddenly in 1991. Ukr isn't even a worthwhile trading partner. Most of the 1.5 billion we import (70%) from them is Steel and Iron which we could do at home. Ukraine wanted to trade more with us, which is a major reason Russia invaded. 40M people, they were a 200B economy and are going to be a huge US customer in the future, unless they end up Russia. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 1:15:04 PM EDT
[#48]
Looks like CINCUAFIGD has bailed on his own thread and left his company and field grade officers to defend his fake news.
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Posted: 12/4/2023 1:18:09 PM EDT
[#49]
Good. Russia is one of the greatest threats to our democracy and the world.
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Posted: 12/4/2023 1:19:08 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like CINCUAFIGD has bailed on his own thread and left his company and field grade officers to defend his fake news. He’s busy loading magazines full of green tips |
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