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Posted: 5/27/2013 7:06:29 AM EST
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I got a really good deal on one a while back. I put it on my "truck rifle", with a smoke round... hell, why not?  How much did you pay if you don't mind me asking....and where did you buy the rounds or did you make it? Thanks -Emt1581 |
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Posted: 5/27/2013 7:09:50 AM EST
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It was part of a trade... I probably don't have 100 bucks in it. The smoke round is an old CTS... honestly I'm not sure where it came from.
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Posted: 5/27/2013 7:10:41 AM EST
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Even with the right sight, are these all that accurate? I mean, could you nail a cow from 50yds either with a straight shot or by arcing it? Thanks -Emt1581 With the practice rounds and an M203 (with the right wind) it's not that hard to get good with a grenade launcher. The one's pictured may be even more accurate since the shooter doesn't have to contend with handling a bulky rifle/GL combo. jd1 |
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Posted: 5/27/2013 7:16:01 AM EST
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Even with the right sight, are these all that accurate? I mean, could you nail a cow from 50yds either with a straight shot or by arcing it? Thanks -Emt1581 Unless you've registered it as a DD it's really academic. Limited to smoke/flares/gas until then. No anti personnel stuff. |
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Posted: 5/27/2013 7:26:14 AM EST
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stickfigure,
What is that latch (or whatever it's called) thing on the forward part of the sling on your launcher? Is that the shoulder strap adjuster on an LG2 backpack? |
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Posted: 5/27/2013 8:55:36 AM EST
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Even with the right sight, are these all that accurate? I mean, could you nail a cow from 50yds either with a straight shot or by arcing it? Thanks -Emt1581 Unless you've registered it as a DD it's really academic. Limited to smoke/flares/gas until then. No anti personnel stuff. I don't understand what that has to do with aim...more specifically, what did you mean by "academic"? As I said earlier, if I do go the route of making anti-personnel stuff I'd register it. Speaking of which...I see that American Specialty sells the flechette darts...how effective are those when loaded in a 37mm shell? Are there any recipes for using them safely without a lot of specialized equipment? I seem to remember either mythbusters or someone on youtube did some tests with flechette darts and they sucked... but maybe I remembered wrong. Maybe larger ball bearings would be more effective?? Thanks -Emt1581 |
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Posted: 5/27/2013 9:01:27 AM EST
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OST. Been eying one of the 9" side loading ones for a year or so.
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Posted: 5/27/2013 9:05:53 AM EST
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I wanted to buy one those 9' Havoc's when they were in the low $300 range but now they had a price increase and they are close to $400 now.
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Posted: 5/27/2013 9:08:52 AM EST
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OST. Been eying one of the 9" side loading ones for a year or so. OST? -Emt1581 |
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Posted: 5/27/2013 9:12:16 AM EST
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I wanted to buy one those 9' Havoc's when they were in the low $300 range but now they had a price increase and they are close to $400 now. They aren't $400...they're $350 in a few places. Better to buy now than to wait until they hit $500 or $600 and you will be saying "Man, I remember when those were only going for $350!!". We can do the same thing but sub "banned" in for the $500-$600 price tag. "Remember when you could actually buy those shipped to your door??"... -Emt1581 |
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Posted: 5/27/2013 9:19:57 AM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: I wanted to buy one those 9' Havoc's when they were in the low $300 range but now they had a price increase and they are close to $400 now. They aren't $400...they're $350 in a few places. Better to buy now than to wait until they hit $500 or $600 and you will be saying "Man, I remember when those were only going for $350!!". We can do the same thing but sub "banned" in for the $500-$600 price tag. "Remember when you could actually buy those shipped to your door??"... -Emt1581 $380+ shipping =$400  http://www.spikestactical.com/new/z/st-9-side-loading-havoc-launcher-p-397.html The folding stock system that I want went up in price too.  http://www.spikestactical.com/new/z/kaos-sidefolding-stock-system-for-9-havoc-p-440.html It's a pretty badass little setup though. |
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Posted: 5/27/2013 9:25:49 AM EST
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Even with the right sight, are these all that accurate? I mean, could you nail a cow from 50yds either with a straight shot or by arcing it? Thanks -Emt1581 I put an M203 ladder ($26 from Ebay) on mine. It works pretty well for "Minute of Shed." The toughest thing is getting loads with a consistent lift charge. For example, the smokes from ASA are "short range" and only head out to 50-75 yards. The M203 ladder works ok to get it within about 15 yards, but you have to cut all the distances by two or three. For example if you aim at the 100 yard hash on the M203 ladder the round will go out to around 35-50 yards. The flares go a lot farther, out to around 200. The M203 ladder seems to work "well enough" to get within 50 yards or so with these. I could probably get more precise with more practice, but it is kind of expensive to pull the trigger each time. |
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Posted: 5/27/2013 9:29:16 AM EST
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Even with the right sight, are these all that accurate? I mean, could you nail a cow from 50yds either with a straight shot or by arcing it? Thanks -Emt1581 I put an M203 ladder ($26 from Ebay) on mine. It works pretty well for "Minute of Shed." The toughest thing is getting loads with a consistent lift charge. For example, the smokes from ASA are "short range" and only head out to 50-75 yards. The M203 ladder works ok to get it within about 15 yards, but you have to cut all the distances by two or three. For example if you aim at the 100 yard hash on the M203 ladder the round will go out to around 35-50 yards. The flares go a lot farther, out to around 200. The M203 ladder seems to work "well enough" to get within 50 yards or so with these. I could probably get more precise with more practice, but it is kind of expensive to pull the trigger each time. Get the reloading gear from American Specialty Ammo. By my calculations it drops the price down to $2-$3 a round depending on what you load it with and after eating the initial cost of the kit. Thanks for the info on aiming...as far as shooting do you do it at the range or know someone with a field that'll let you do it or what? Thanks -Emt1581 |
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Posted: 5/27/2013 9:31:25 AM EST
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So other than owning it, what do folks do with them? I just looked them up on youtube.
Looks like most of the loads are "unimpressive" to say the least. I get similar smoke from those roadstand smokeballs. The starbursts are pretty cool though. |
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Posted: 5/27/2013 9:44:24 AM EST
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stickfigure, What is that latch (or whatever it's called) thing on the forward part of the sling on your launcher? Is that the shoulder strap adjuster on an LG2 backpack? It's the adjustment buckle on Vietnam era USGI M16 OD nylon sling. 
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Posted: 5/27/2013 9:50:00 AM EST
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I was intrigued by these also...As with anything as long as you are not an idiot with them I am sure that they are safe, but anyone thinking about one should probably read this: Grog's safety page Be sure you read this! The launcher and mangled hand in the bottom of this page belonged to a friend of mine. They removed the hand and several inches of his forearm; he used to be a paramedic but there's not many jobs for a one handed medic. Unfortunately he had his hand under the breech when it blew instead of holding the magazine and the pistol grip but the load was to spec according to the manufacturer of the components (who is still in business selling firearms related products). Edited to make link hot |
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Posted: 5/27/2013 9:56:53 AM EST
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I was intrigued by these also...As with anything as long as you are not an idiot with them I am sure that they are safe, but anyone thinking about one should probably read this: Grog's safety page Be sure you read this! The launcher and mangled hand in the bottom of this page belonged to a friend of mine. They removed the hand and several inches of his forearm; he used to be a paramedic but there's not many jobs for a one handed medic. Unfortunately he had his hand under the breech when it blew instead of holding the magazine and the pistol grip but the load was to spec according to the manufacturer of the components (who is still in business selling firearms related products). Edited to make link hot Who made the round? Thanks -Emt1581 |
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Posted: 5/27/2013 10:25:58 AM EST
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Even with the right sight, are these all that accurate? I mean, could you nail a cow from 50yds either with a straight shot or by arcing it? Thanks -Emt1581 Unless you've registered it as a DD it's really academic. Limited to smoke/flares/gas until then. No anti personnel stuff. I don't understand what that has to do with aim...more specifically, what did you mean by "academic"? As I said earlier, if I do go the route of making anti-personnel stuff I'd register it. Speaking of which...I see that American Specialty sells the flechette darts...how effective are those when loaded in a 37mm shell? Are there any recipes for using them safely without a lot of specialized equipment? I seem to remember either mythbusters or someone on youtube did some tests with flechette darts and they sucked... but maybe I remembered wrong. Maybe larger ball bearings would be more effective?? Thanks -Emt1581 My point was with the pyro stuff you can shoot w/o a DD aim isn't a huge issue. Shoot it up in the air generally. |
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Posted: 5/27/2013 1:50:15 PM EST
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My point was with the pyro stuff you can shoot w/o a DD aim isn't a huge issue. Shoot it up in the air generally. Oh ok. Right, if you are shooting up in the air yeah it's not important but if you are trying to land your smoke, pepper, etc in a general 10' area...it would matter. Thanks -Emt1581 |
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Posted: 5/27/2013 2:05:21 PM EST
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Well money is a bit tight right now so I'm going to have to sell something to get it.... But I figure, in time, they'll be on some list for ban so I might as well get one while I can along with the loadable/reloadable shells. -Emt1581 That is what prompted me to get mine. Bought a bunch of the black powder hulls and some tubes to load it. Just haven't got around to doing it after moving a while back. |
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Posted: 5/27/2013 2:10:12 PM EST
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Well money is a bit tight right now so I'm going to have to sell something to get it.... But I figure, in time, they'll be on some list for ban so I might as well get one while I can along with the loadable/reloadable shells. -Emt1581 That is what prompted me to get mine. Bought a bunch of the black powder hulls and some tubes to load it. Just haven't got around to doing it after moving a while back. That's ok, I did the same thing for all of my guns (bought molds and reloading supplies/dies)... there is now way in hell things will as good as they are now in regard to our ability to access this stuff in the future. Just wait until it's a democratic crontrolled house AND senate AND admin.... kiss your gun rights goodbye at that point! One might say it'd be political suicide and the conservatives will just repeal soon after...yeah that worked out real well for the NFA and 94 AWB didn't it?? -Emt1581 |
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Posted: 5/27/2013 4:46:07 PM EST
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I was intrigued by these also...As with anything as long as you are not an idiot with them I am sure that they are safe, but anyone thinking about one should probably read this: Grog's safety page Be sure you read this! The launcher and mangled hand in the bottom of this page belonged to a friend of mine. They removed the hand and several inches of his forearm; he used to be a paramedic but there's not many jobs for a one handed medic. Unfortunately he had his hand under the breech when it blew instead of holding the magazine and the pistol grip but the load was to spec according to the manufacturer of the components (who is still in business selling firearms related products). Edited to make link hot Who made the round? Thanks -Emt1581 He did according to the instructions that came with the kit- the same way you make most rounds for these things. He'd had/used the launcher for quite a while with no issues, but this was a new batch of components from one of the well known sellers who sold the reloading kits that most folks seem to buy for them. |
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Posted: 5/27/2013 4:51:04 PM EST
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I was intrigued by these also...As with anything as long as you are not an idiot with them I am sure that they are safe, but anyone thinking about one should probably read this: Grog's safety page Be sure you read this! The launcher and mangled hand in the bottom of this page belonged to a friend of mine. They removed the hand and several inches of his forearm; he used to be a paramedic but there's not many jobs for a one handed medic. Unfortunately he had his hand under the breech when it blew instead of holding the magazine and the pistol grip but the load was to spec according to the manufacturer of the components (who is still in business selling firearms related products). Edited to make link hot Who made the round? Thanks -Emt1581 He did according to the instructions that came with the kit- the same way you make most rounds for these things. He'd had/used the launcher for quite a while with no issues, but this was a new batch of components from one of the well known sellers who sold the reloading kits that most folks seem to buy for them. This is why I was curious what brand the round was...so I guess I should have asked who made the components. However, if what you say is true then I think the powder charge would be more to blame...or something in the flammable dept...not in the tube/seal/smoke...no? -Emt1581 |
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Posted: 5/27/2013 5:57:30 PM EST
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As I said earlier, if I do go the route of making anti-personnel stuff I'd register it. Speaking of which...I see that American Specialty sells the flechette darts...how effective are those when loaded in a 37mm shell? Are there any recipes for using them safely without a lot of specialized equipment? I seem to remember either mythbusters or someone on youtube did some tests with flechette darts and they sucked... but maybe I remembered wrong. Maybe larger ball bearings would be more effective?? Thanks -Emt1581 Anyone? Thanks -Emt1581 |
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Posted: 5/27/2013 6:38:07 PM EST
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I used mine to set off some old bush piles.......fun and effective, just not cost effective.
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Posted: 5/27/2013 11:33:12 PM EST
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I wanted to buy one those 9' Havoc's when they were in the low $300 range but now they had a price increase and they are close to $400 now. They aren't $400...they're $350 in a few places. Better to buy now than to wait until they hit $500 or $600 and you will be saying "Man, I remember when those were only going for $350!!". We can do the same thing but sub "banned" in for the $500-$600 price tag. "Remember when you could actually buy those shipped to your door??"... -Emt1581 I won't worry about them being banned anytime soon. They're not even considered a firearm, you can order them by mail and have them delivered to your door. I don't think they are even serialized at the moment. |
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Posted: 5/28/2013 12:35:03 AM EST
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Quoted: Even with the right sight, are these all that accurate? I mean, could you nail a cow from 50yds either with a straight shot or by arcing it? Thanks -Emt1581 I've shot one mounted to an AR a few times, and I'd say so. It was pretty accurate out to 100+ yards. |
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Posted: 5/28/2013 12:43:50 AM EST
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My buddy has an LMT M203 40mm and a Spikes 37mm that he Form 1'd to a DD. He got really, really mad when I showed him the surprise in the Spikes logo
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Posted: 5/28/2013 2:42:59 AM EST
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I wanted to buy one those 9' Havoc's when they were in the low $300 range but now they had a price increase and they are close to $400 now. They aren't $400...they're $350 in a few places. Better to buy now than to wait until they hit $500 or $600 and you will be saying "Man, I remember when those were only going for $350!!". We can do the same thing but sub "banned" in for the $500-$600 price tag. "Remember when you could actually buy those shipped to your door??"... -Emt1581 I won't worry about them being banned anytime soon. They're not even considered a firearm, you can order them by mail and have them delivered to your door. I don't think they are even serialized at the moment. Funny thing....They said this about machine guns and rifles prior to the mid-to-late 1920's.... Hell, you could walk into Sears and buy a Tommy Gun!! -Emt1581 |
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Posted: 5/28/2013 2:46:11 AM EST
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I've actually decided against buying one. The coolness factor is DEFINITELY there....but there's no other real use for one. I don't have access to the destructive rounds and I don't see how I'd get access to them in the future. So going the DD route is kind of useless. Thanks for the replies and pics though!
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Posted: 5/28/2013 2:58:06 AM EST
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You cant get legal marker rounds for them ? anyone sell a legal round with Thin plastic projectiles filled with orange chalk or something?
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Posted: 5/28/2013 3:08:11 AM EST
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I've actually decided against buying one. The coolness factor is DEFINITELY there....but there's no other real use for one. I don't have access to the destructive rounds and I don't see how I'd get access to them in the future. So going the DD route is kind of useless. Thanks for the replies and pics though! -Emt1581 That's the thing, if you go the DD route in 40MM everything except for HE is readily availible. Buckshot, flechettes, rubber shot, batons, gas, you can buy it all new, and use shotgun rounds in them and the .22 beehive. With 40MM you can shoot anything you want out of it, if you can afford it. 
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Posted: 5/28/2013 3:18:10 AM EST
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I've actually decided against buying one. The coolness factor is DEFINITELY there....but there's no other real use for one. I don't have access to the destructive rounds and I don't see how I'd get access to them in the future. So going the DD route is kind of useless. Thanks for the replies and pics though! -Emt1581 That's the thing, if you go the DD route in 40MM everything except for HE is readily availible. Buckshot, flechettes, rubber shot, batons, gas, you can buy it all new, and use shotgun rounds in them and the .22 beehive. With 40MM you can shoot anything you want out of it, if you can afford it. http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/beehive.JPG And at heart all I really was fascinated with was the potential to shoot the destructive rounds. This is an underlying issue since I was in my teens...I've always wanted a grenade. Well this year I finally got my hands on some smokes (pull pin military issue) but that's as far as I got. The other goodies for these things I can either use my 12ga. for or don't have an interest in. Thanks -Emt1581 |
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Posted: 5/28/2013 4:14:39 AM EST
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You cant get legal marker rounds for them ? anyone sell a legal round with Thin plastic projectiles filled with orange chalk or something? I don't know for sure, but it's my understanding that chalk rounds are a no go in a non DD 37mm. I wish that wasn't the case. It's part of what has kept me from playing w/ mine more. Would like to do inert stuff before I do anything pyro. |
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