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Posted: 8/30/2023 6:44:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Manual. Its what a true sports car is. But the PDK is faster on a track. Sweet, if I order a Cayman GTS manual it is. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 7:30:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Manual or PDK? I'm a diehard manual guy, but I hear PDK is amazing. The only real reason manual was "better" in a sporty car in the past was because it allowed for faster shifting and more control than an automatic. The PDK shifts faster than a manual and it allows for more control. It is not an automatic - it is an improved manual, which gives you the option of letting the computer control it. So if you are all about nostalgia, and churn your own butter, and wish cars still had hand crank starters ... then by all means get a manual. But if you are getting a Porsche because you want to drive fast and have as much control over your driving experience as possible, then the choice should definitely be PDK. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 7:32:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Porsche has always kneecapped the Cayman/Boxster so the 911 would remain King. The mid engine design is more balanced, and is a better sports car design. If they put a bigger engine in the Cayman it would outperform the 911. But because they have never done that, and will never do that, the 911 is arguably "better". However, the rear engine design is flawed in a high performance sports car, especially for novice driver's who may panic and hit the brakes in high speed turns and throw the 911 into a spin. But they are both great cars, it's subjective. Personally, I'd rather have an air cooled 911 Targa. When I was signing the preflight paperwork at the Porsche Driving Experience in Stuttgart, the nice lady kindly explained that with the stability management (PSM) toggled on your total liability for the car was 2,500 Euro. Should you choose to turn it off...you pay for all the damage you incur, up to and including a full write-off. And..."we will know if you've turned it off". At that time the "experience" was chasing a very fast factory driver around the back country on public roads. I left the PSM on. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 7:34:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Comparing used rare and exotic models is not really a particularly useful comparison when talking about the general price difference between the Cayman and 911 lines, IMO. Being able to find some specific examples of desirable used models doesn't really have much to do with the general point that the 911 is a more expensive car than the Cayman. As an aside, why compare a Cayman GT4 RS to a regular 911 GT3? Shouldn't the comparison be to the GT3 RS, so you are comparing apples to apples? When comparing new prices, obviously the 911 is a far more expensive car than the Cayman. - The base Cayman starts at around $68K and the cheapest base 911 is around $114K - that almost $50K more. - The Cayman GTS starts around $95K and the 911 GTS start around $151K - that's over $55K more. Even when comparing the more exotic GT cars, the 911 is far more expensive than the Cayman. - A Cayman GT4 RS start at about $160K, and a 911 GT3 RS starts at about $240K - that's about 80K more. The most expensive Cayman listed on Porsche's website (the GT4 RS or the Spyder) starts around $160K. A regular 911 Turbo is already a lot more than that, starting at $197K. The most expensive 911 listed on the Porsche website (S/T) starts at $290K - about 130K more. (All of this of course ignores the expensive options that add a lot to the actual price  )Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I’m thinking this is a troll post. A “big spender” doesn’t go for the Cayman. And if money is no concern, it’s the 911 all day, every day and twice on sunday Wrong. The cheapest used Cayman RS is 230k, goes up to 300k. A used GT3 is in the same price range, so quite some overlap on 911 and Cayman buyers. Getting an allocation on any new Porsche sports cars is tough, doubly so on their GT cars. Comparing used rare and exotic models is not really a particularly useful comparison when talking about the general price difference between the Cayman and 911 lines, IMO. Being able to find some specific examples of desirable used models doesn't really have much to do with the general point that the 911 is a more expensive car than the Cayman. As an aside, why compare a Cayman GT4 RS to a regular 911 GT3? Shouldn't the comparison be to the GT3 RS, so you are comparing apples to apples? When comparing new prices, obviously the 911 is a far more expensive car than the Cayman. - The base Cayman starts at around $68K and the cheapest base 911 is around $114K - that almost $50K more. - The Cayman GTS starts around $95K and the 911 GTS start around $151K - that's over $55K more. Even when comparing the more exotic GT cars, the 911 is far more expensive than the Cayman. - A Cayman GT4 RS start at about $160K, and a 911 GT3 RS starts at about $240K - that's about 80K more. The most expensive Cayman listed on Porsche's website (the GT4 RS or the Spyder) starts around $160K. A regular 911 Turbo is already a lot more than that, starting at $197K. The most expensive 911 listed on the Porsche website (S/T) starts at $290K - about 130K more. (All of this of course ignores the expensive options that add a lot to the actual price )I used the used market to reflect what car are actually going for. Using Porsches website is not an accurate reflection of what is available and for what price. I was just making the argument that there are people who will pay an equivalent price for a cayman compared to 911. These people tend to be all about the driving experience and could care less about a 911’s status. The OP didn’t give a budget, so don’t know why my comparison is invalid? Same engine, different body. GT3 gets Aero that is omitted from Cayman RS as well as a few other items to hobble the RS. Current state of new Porsche https://rennlist.com/forums/992/1362057-992-allocation-only-now-wth.html |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 7:34:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only real reason manual was "better" in a sporty car in the past was because it allowed for faster shifting and more control than an automatic. The PDK shifts faster than a manual and it allows for more control. It is not an automatic - it is an improved manual, which gives you the option of letting the computer control it. So if you are all about nostalgia, and churn your own butter, and wish cars still had hand crank starters ... then by all means get a manual. But if you are getting a Porsche because you want to drive fast and have as much control over your driving experience as possible, then the choice should definitely be PDK. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 7:36:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only real reason manual was "better" in a sporty car in the past was because it allowed for faster shifting and more control than an automatic. The PDK shifts faster than a manual and it allows for more control. It is not an automatic - it is an improved manual, which gives you the option of letting the computer control it. So if you are all about nostalgia, and churn your own butter, and wish cars still had hand crank starters ... then by all means get a manual. But if you are getting a Porsche because you want to drive fast and have as much control over your driving experience as possible, then the choice should definitely be PDK. Well Said! |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 7:47:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/30/2023 7:48:17 PM EDT
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Get both (all)?
Truly different cars but if I had to pick just one, 981 GT4 with buckets. Of course the Cayenne that didn't make the photo gets driven the most....   |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 7:50:23 PM EDT
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911 or gay.
Every Porsche but the 911 is gay and solely exists to sell cars to suckers so Porsche can make better 911s. Get a manual. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 7:50:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you for that. When I watch videos of the manual Cayman, I notice how long the gears are..., which likely means it's actually less fun to row gears. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The only real reason manual was "better" in a sporty car in the past was because it allowed for faster shifting and more control than an automatic. The PDK shifts faster than a manual and it allows for more control. It is not an automatic - it is an improved manual, which gives you the option of letting the computer control it. So if you are all about nostalgia, and churn your own butter, and wish cars still had hand crank starters ... then by all means get a manual. But if you are getting a Porsche because you want to drive fast and have as much control over your driving experience as possible, then the choice should definitely be PDK. Third gear puts you in jail:  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 7:51:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only real reason manual was "better" in a sporty car in the past was because it allowed for faster shifting and more control than an automatic. The PDK shifts faster than a manual and it allows for more control. It is not an automatic - it is an improved manual, which gives you the option of letting the computer control it. So if you are all about nostalgia, and churn your own butter, and wish cars still had hand crank starters ... then by all means get a manual. But if you are getting a Porsche because you want to drive fast and have as much control over your driving experience as possible, then the choice should definitely be PDK. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Manual or PDK? I'm a diehard manual guy, but I hear PDK is amazing. The only real reason manual was "better" in a sporty car in the past was because it allowed for faster shifting and more control than an automatic. The PDK shifts faster than a manual and it allows for more control. It is not an automatic - it is an improved manual, which gives you the option of letting the computer control it. So if you are all about nostalgia, and churn your own butter, and wish cars still had hand crank starters ... then by all means get a manual. But if you are getting a Porsche because you want to drive fast and have as much control over your driving experience as possible, then the choice should definitely be PDK. This is Eurofag crap and you know it. I will get some better proganda than that hold on |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 7:53:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/30/2023 8:36:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is Eurofag crap and you know it. I will get some better proganda than that hold on Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Manual or PDK? I'm a diehard manual guy, but I hear PDK is amazing. The only real reason manual was "better" in a sporty car in the past was because it allowed for faster shifting and more control than an automatic. The PDK shifts faster than a manual and it allows for more control. It is not an automatic - it is an improved manual, which gives you the option of letting the computer control it. So if you are all about nostalgia, and churn your own butter, and wish cars still had hand crank starters ... then by all means get a manual. But if you are getting a Porsche because you want to drive fast and have as much control over your driving experience as possible, then the choice should definitely be PDK. This is Eurofag crap and you know it. I will get some better proganda than that hold on PDK always did remind me of churning butter. Must be the paddles. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 8:39:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: PDK always did remind me of churning butter. Must be the paddles. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Manual or PDK? I'm a diehard manual guy, but I hear PDK is amazing. The only real reason manual was "better" in a sporty car in the past was because it allowed for faster shifting and more control than an automatic. The PDK shifts faster than a manual and it allows for more control. It is not an automatic - it is an improved manual, which gives you the option of letting the computer control it. So if you are all about nostalgia, and churn your own butter, and wish cars still had hand crank starters ... then by all means get a manual. But if you are getting a Porsche because you want to drive fast and have as much control over your driving experience as possible, then the choice should definitely be PDK. This is Eurofag crap and you know it. I will get some better proganda than that hold on PDK always did remind me of churning butter. Must be the paddles. Instant coffee is faster. Microwave pizza is faster. Grow lights make plants grow faster. But none of those things are better than the original way, and none give you the same satisfaction. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 8:42:10 PM EDT
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And a mid engine sports car is indeed cool, but it's not a 911.
The 911 is a timeless, rear engine, rear wheel drive, masterpiece. Completely unique, and at home at a track or going to work. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 8:42:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Get both (all)? Truly different cars but if I had to pick just one, 981 GT4 with buckets. Of course the Cayenne that didn't make the photo gets driven the most.... https://i.ibb.co/5jWdcCx/FE24132-A-02-DE-43-BD-B53-D-10-E90-C73-C96-C-1-201-a.jpg https://i.ibb.co/2Nt11S6/E12605-B8-330-C-47-B2-AE63-1-A860-F1147-B3-1-105-c.jpg That’s an unbelievable Porsche lineup. 
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Posted: 8/30/2023 8:43:46 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 911 or gay. Every Porsche but the 911 is gay and solely exists to sell cars to suckers so Porsche can make better 911s. Get a manual. My Porsche client advisor (who is also my BMW CA) just sent me this.  |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 8:47:01 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Instant coffee is faster. Microwave pizza is faster. Grow lights make plants grow faster. But none of those things are better than the original way, and none give you the same satisfaction. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Manual or PDK? I'm a diehard manual guy, but I hear PDK is amazing. The only real reason manual was "better" in a sporty car in the past was because it allowed for faster shifting and more control than an automatic. The PDK shifts faster than a manual and it allows for more control. It is not an automatic - it is an improved manual, which gives you the option of letting the computer control it. So if you are all about nostalgia, and churn your own butter, and wish cars still had hand crank starters ... then by all means get a manual. But if you are getting a Porsche because you want to drive fast and have as much control over your driving experience as possible, then the choice should definitely be PDK. This is Eurofag crap and you know it. I will get some better proganda than that hold on PDK always did remind me of churning butter. Must be the paddles. Instant coffee is faster. Microwave pizza is faster. Grow lights make plants grow faster. But none of those things are better than the original way, and none give you the same satisfaction. I don't think anyone said manual was "better" than PDK. Many people feel manual connects you to the car better, which gives some more satisfaction. Its a touchy subject, sure to cause histrionics. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 8:49:25 PM EDT
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The shape of the 911 is as recognizable as a Coke bottle. It is everything good in automotive. The owners are still the family and they literally tell people to fuck off, unless of course you said you wanted the GT3 in a manual. Then they said sorry here you go.
The new S/T is only available in manual. 
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Posted: 8/30/2023 8:50:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My Porsche client advisor (who is also my BMW CA) just sent me this. https://i.postimg.cc/mgXgQ07J/Screenshot-20230830-204205.png Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 911 or gay. Every Porsche but the 911 is gay and solely exists to sell cars to suckers so Porsche can make better 911s. Get a manual. My Porsche client advisor (who is also my BMW CA) just sent me this. https://i.postimg.cc/mgXgQ07J/Screenshot-20230830-204205.png Be careful around bloodborne pathogens when dealing with the gays. They're at higher risk for a lot of very serious diseases. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 8:53:48 PM EDT
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It had to happen.
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Posted: 8/30/2023 8:55:10 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Be careful around bloodborne pathogens when dealing with the gays. They're at higher risk for a lot of very serious diseases.  |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 8:57:41 PM EDT
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The Ring fastest times are held by PDK cars. Just sayin.
Driving a manual transmission car effectively around a track will be a lost art. I think you should learn even if you will eventually track a PDK car. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 8:59:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/30/2023 9:01:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Ring fastest times are held by PDK cars. Just sayin. Driving a manual transmission car effectively around a track will be a lost art. I think you should learn even if you will eventually track a PDK car. Indeed, but most people will never be able to use the advantage. It's like arguing we should daily carry race guns because they're quicker. Sure they are, but they don't have slide lock followers and good luck finding a nice comfy holster. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 9:05:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Ring fastest times are held by PDK cars. Just sayin. Driving a manual transmission car effectively around a track will be a lost art. I think you should learn even if you will eventually track a PDK car. No argument. I like shifting. I don't feel its burdensome. My wife can drive a stick too. We don't track, even though she graduated from Bondurant racing school. PDK is an engineering masterpiece, but we don't really need it. I also want the 981 Cayman for the N/A flat 6 boxer. Don't want turbo. Now that should send someone here into a hissy fit. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 9:09:26 PM EDT
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Yeah deciding manual or pdk for my gayman will be tough. I'm a manual guy, but I hear the PDK is amazing. Again, the long gearing of the manual may not be that great for Poconos back roads driving.
I'm not tracking it. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 9:09:42 PM EDT
[#28]
These are cute little Metrosexual cars.
Wanna real muscle car? Get a Dodge SRT Challenger - a Hellcat or a 392. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 9:12:27 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah deciding manual or pdk for my gayman will be tough. I'm a manual guy, but I hear the PDK is amazing. Again, the long gearing of the manual may not be that great for Poconos back roads driving. I'm not tracking it.  Porsche Cayman 981 S - Manual or PDK? - FGP Prep Book EP39 |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 9:12:37 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: These are cute little Metrosexual cars. Wanna real muscle car? Get a Dodge SRT Challenger - a Hellcat or a 392. We're talking about sports cars, not muscle cars. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 9:13:04 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yeah deciding manual or pdk for my gayman will be tough. I'm a manual guy, but I hear the PDK is amazing. Again, the long gearing of the manual may not be that great for Poconos back roads driving. I'm not tracking it.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iKJ_TP-HlgThanks I'll give that a watch in a bit. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 9:13:31 PM EDT
[#32]
I cross-shopped the 911 and Cayman in 2014. I also did several PSDS courses so I got to learn how to race the Porsche lineup from Porsche professionals. My take:
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Posted: 8/30/2023 9:38:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No argument. I like shifting. I don't feel its burdensome. My wife can drive a stick too. We don't track, even though she graduated from Bondurant racing school. PDK is an engineering masterpiece, but we don't really need it. I also want the 981 Cayman for the N/A flat 6 boxer. Don't want turbo. Now that should send someone here into a hissy fit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Ring fastest times are held by PDK cars. Just sayin. Driving a manual transmission car effectively around a track will be a lost art. I think you should learn even if you will eventually track a PDK car. No argument. I like shifting. I don't feel its burdensome. My wife can drive a stick too. We don't track, even though she graduated from Bondurant racing school. PDK is an engineering masterpiece, but we don't really need it. I also want the 981 Cayman for the N/A flat 6 boxer. Don't want turbo. Now that should send someone here into a hissy fit. Agreed. PDK is more fast, 3 pedal manual is more fun. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 9:43:02 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: These are cute little Metrosexual cars. Wanna real muscle car? Get a Dodge SRT Challenger - a Hellcat or a 392. Yes... because a high-revving, tight cornering Euro sports car belongs in the same discussion as a fugly stop light to stop light American muscle car. But yeah... I'm absolutely SURE that you'll convert some guys in this thread over to driving a Dodge.  |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 9:44:41 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you were a big spender, you would choose a 911. The Cayman is definitely the best bang for the buck in the Porsche lineup, but a "big spender" wouldn't care about that, and would buy a 911 turbo or one of the 911 GT cars. Listen to the experience. This is my goal. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 9:57:03 PM EDT
[#36]
Wanna real muscle car? Get a Dodge SRT Challenger - a Hellcat or a 392. Coming from a 392 Charger......They weigh too much & all that massive power SUCKS getting to the ground. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 9:57:16 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes... because a high-revving, tight cornering Euro sports car belongs in the same discussion as a fugly stop light to stop light American muscle car. But yeah... I'm absolutely SURE that you'll convert some guys in this thread over to driving a Dodge. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: These are cute little Metrosexual cars. Wanna real muscle car? Get a Dodge SRT Challenger - a Hellcat or a 392. Yes... because a high-revving, tight cornering Euro sports car belongs in the same discussion as a fugly stop light to stop light American muscle car. But yeah... I'm absolutely SURE that you'll convert some guys in this thread over to driving a Dodge.  |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 9:59:19 PM EDT
[#38]
I’ve ridden in a Porsche GT3-RS two times in the last month and I’m hooked…
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Posted: 8/30/2023 10:22:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cayman = 944 Obviously you have zero idea what you're talking about. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 10:39:21 PM EDT
[#40]
Just to stir the pot...
Manual for the gentleman among us. Pdk for the nouveau-riche. My choice would be 718 as a driver's car (not, you think youself a driver). For all around use 911. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 10:40:46 PM EDT
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2022 Cayman GTS 4.0 PDK master race checking ...
I have nothing but respect for my 911 brothers, but I think this is an amazing car and I could not touch a new 911 for what I paid for my CGTS 4.0 new. And if you read many of the reviews, and I would agree, the Cayman GT RS is probably the most pure sports car Porsche makes right now, certainly performance per pound as well as being naturally aspirated. Ask me anything.  |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 10:46:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 2022 Cayman GTS 4.0 PDK master race checking ... I have nothing but respect for my 911 brothers, but I think this is an amazing car and I could not touch a new 911 for what I paid for my CGTS 4.0 new. And if you read many of the reviews, and I would agree, the Cayman GT RS is probably the most pure sports car Porsche makes right now, certainly performance per pound as well as being naturally aspirated. Ask me anything. https://i.imgur.com/CdlcIGp.jpg That uses the NA boxer flat 6 right? Is that engine radically different from the NA boxer flat 6 of earlier years? |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 10:48:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: BRZ with a supercharger Spend the extra 30-100k on hookers and blow. You’ll have to go the hooker route because you’ll never get an adult woman to give you the time of day (let alone suck your dick) in a BRZ. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 10:55:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Initially they hamstrung the Cayman but the GTS 4.0 and GT4 changed that. I’m going to disagree about the rear engine design being flawed and point back to the fact the 911 is the winningest sports car of all time and has won across far more racing disciplines than anything else. There are some real advantages to the rear engine layout, braking and traction out of corners for example. You are right about the danger with a novice behind the wheel but a good driver can use that pendulum effect to his advantage Here’s a great video of a really good driver showing you how to drive a 911. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q_YDSgRa1UYou either “get” 911’s or you’ll never get it… |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 10:58:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 911 or gay. Every Porsche but the 911 is gay and solely exists to sell cars to suckers so Porsche can make better 911s. Get a manual. I love you, man. (Only a small amount of homo… )
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Posted: 8/30/2023 11:00:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Initially they hamstrung the Cayman but the GTS 4.0 and GT4 changed that. I’m going to disagree about the rear engine design being flawed and point back to the fact the 911 is the winningest sports car of all time and has won across far more racing disciplines than anything else. There are some real advantages to the rear engine layout, braking and traction out of corners for example. You are right about the danger with a novice behind the wheel but a good driver can use that pendulum effect to his advantage Here’s a great video of a really good driver showing you how to drive a 911. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q_YDSgRa1UQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Porsche has always kneecapped the Cayman/Boxster so the 911 would remain King. The mid engine design is more balanced, and is a better sports car design. If they put a bigger engine in the Cayman it would outperform the 911. But because they have never done that, and will never do that, the 911 is arguably "better". However, the rear engine design is flawed in a high performance sports car, especially for novice driver's who may panic and hit the brakes in high speed turns and throw the 911 into a spin. But they are both great cars, it's subjective. Personally, I'd rather have an air cooled 911 Targa. Initially they hamstrung the Cayman but the GTS 4.0 and GT4 changed that. I’m going to disagree about the rear engine design being flawed and point back to the fact the 911 is the winningest sports car of all time and has won across far more racing disciplines than anything else. There are some real advantages to the rear engine layout, braking and traction out of corners for example. You are right about the danger with a novice behind the wheel but a good driver can use that pendulum effect to his advantage Here’s a great video of a really good driver showing you how to drive a 911. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q_YDSgRa1UI like how everyone thinks that a car with terrible handling characteristics makes it a good car. 
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Posted: 8/30/2023 11:04:54 PM EDT
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My gayman spec I'm considering. Less gay since it's manual.
https://configurator.porsche.com/porsche-code/PRGX6182 |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 11:14:12 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: These are cute little Metrosexual cars. Wanna real muscle car? Get a Dodge SRT Challenger - a Hellcat or a 392. Anyone can go fast in a straight line. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 11:16:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My gayman spec I'm considering. Less gay since it's manual. https://configurator.porsche.com/porsche-code/PRGX6182 I like the colour...it makes it look less like a hairdresser's car |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 11:18:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You’ll have to go the hooker route because you’ll never get an adult woman to give you the time of day (let alone suck your dick) in a BRZ. Brutal, lol 
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