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Link Posted: 3/19/2021 8:49:12 PM EST
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Why couldn't you stream with Starlink? They're going to increase the throughput to 300Mbps this year, up from 100Mbps.

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I posted earlier about how rural people are going to pay for their Starlink. They'll dump their $125 or higher DirectTV, Dish bills, and their $60- $150 cell data plans. They'll still be money ahead even after adding back a couple of streaming services for TV.

BTW, Rural doesn't = poor.

Sure, but how many? 10s of thousands? Not even remotely enough. Starlink can't replace cell service either, the K band isn't physically capable of hand held service. People that still watch tv through Dish or DirectTV aren't suddenly going to cut the cord and start streaming with Starlink. I'm not saying Starlink can't be profitable, I'm saying they might not be. Currently they most definitely aren't.

Why couldn't you stream with Starlink? They're going to increase the throughput to 300Mbps this year, up from 100Mbps.

Kharn


Seen talk of gig speeds next year.
Link Posted: 3/19/2021 8:54:38 PM EST
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Why couldn't you stream with Starlink? They're going to increase the throughput to 300Mbps this year, up from 100Mbps.

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It's not a question of ability, but desire. Tons of people are still married to traditional tv channels, my parents included. They have fiber in a relatively rural setting but still have Dish for tv. They're far from alone in that.
Link Posted: 3/19/2021 9:09:26 PM EST
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Why couldn't you stream with Starlink? They're going to increase the throughput to 300Mbps this year, up from 100Mbps.

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No cable here, I’ll be streaming all of my viewing content. It’s 2021, Elon is probably aware of the use-case.

Seems like his entire goal is to bypass terrestrial connectivity provided by the legacy services. Eliminate dependency on the power grid and the data grid... Imagine if the local tyrant couldn’t shut your power and internet off at will!
Link Posted: 3/19/2021 9:20:59 PM EST
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The trouble with Musk Math is it's always hugely optimistic. In the early days they claimed $10B for the entire network. That works out to around 2 million subscribers to break even on a 5 year sat life. Definitely viable but there's been a lot of changes. They're having a ton of trouble getting the lasers working, to the point it's not a guarantee they ever will. Based on their announcements they won't even *start* testing the side to side laser tracking in orbit until 2022. So far they've only done the much simpler front to back. That means nearly all of the sats they're launching now are functionally obsolete and will need to be replaced. Doubling your sat costs makes the economics much harder. Big questions remain both in how many users the system can support, and how many are willing to pay $100/month for internet. That last number is a lot lower than people here think. Almost everyone in built up areas has better access through fiber, and the rural population is either small, or not wealthy enough. $100 is a ton of money for most of the world. Lots of unknowns in the economics still, won't know either way until the entire system is up.
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They have already tested the lasers last year, and this year started launching laser equipped satellites. It's why there are fewer ground stations the farther south they are sending the satellites. I have heard absolutely nothing about them having problems with them.

It works out to about 1.7mm users at that cost, and SpaceX has requested from the fcc to support up to 5mm users in just the US. Requesting 10x the users than what they originally planned is telling how much demand there has been in just the US alone. That's not to mention they are already taking deposits from people in Canada, Mexico, Australia, and New Zealand currently. And, have set up base stations in Europe already. Hughesnet alone has over a million customers, for capped service at the same price or more as starlink, that is 6 to more times slower. ViaSat in just the US has 700k customers for datacapped services at starlinks price that is 6 times slower.

There are already companies out there that are charging more, for shittier service, that are somehow doing what you claim starlink can't do. And, they don't even have their own launch capabilities, and are paying way more just in logistic costs.

Link Posted: 3/20/2021 1:51:55 AM EST
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Sure, but how many? 10s of thousands? Not even remotely enough. Starlink can't replace cell service either, the K band isn't physically capable of hand held service. People that still watch tv through Dish or DirectTV aren't suddenly going to cut the cord and start streaming with Starlink. I'm not saying Starlink can't be profitable, I'm saying they might not be. Currently they most definitely aren't.
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In the US Millions.  the US alone will more than recoup the cost.  Any additional money paid by the rest of the world is pure profit.  He could charge $10 a month in Africa and be making large profits.

Millions in urban areas have cut the cord... Myself included.  People in rural areas will gladly do it too.  They will simply cut the cord the instant high speed internet becomes available to them.

You can run a hand held device off wifi... for inside your house or RV or Boat service.  At some point an add on device may be available to give yourself your own "cell tower" to give you longer range from where your dish is.  If SpaceX Starlink doesn't offer such a device then a 3rd party will... just like a router you plug in currently.
Link Posted: 3/20/2021 9:26:39 AM EST
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In the US Millions.  the US alone will more than recoup the cost.  Any additional money paid by the rest of the world is pure profit.  He could charge $10 a month in Africa and be making large profits.

Millions in urban areas have cut the cord... Myself included.  People in rural areas will gladly do it too.  They will simply cut the cord the instant high speed internet becomes available to them.

You can run a hand held device off wifi... for inside your house or RV or Boat service.  At some point an add on device may be available to give yourself your own "cell tower" to give you longer range from where your dish is.  If SpaceX Starlink doesn't offer such a device then a 3rd party will... just like a router you plug in currently.
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You could get several million customers in North America alone just from Boats and RVs.
Link Posted: 3/20/2021 9:39:22 AM EST
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Consider me doubtful that it's profitable to send up that many satellites with that kind of frequency.

For the majority of people terrestrial internet will be faster and at least similar in price. Starlink sounds great for rural areas and countries with poor infrastructure, but only one of those will possibly have any money.
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That's exactly what they do. The satellites have something like a 5 year lifespan before they de-orbit.  They are very small so nothing will reach the surface anyway.  They will be constantly updating and replenishing them.  They are cheap enough to do that considering spaceX also owns the rockets launching them.


Consider me doubtful that it's profitable to send up that many satellites with that kind of frequency.

For the majority of people terrestrial internet will be faster and at least similar in price. Starlink sounds great for rural areas and countries with poor infrastructure, but only one of those will possibly have any money.


Rural areas is a very broad term and you may be confusing extreme rural.  Extreme rural is like Montana, Wyoming,etc. You would be surprised how many people who live in outer suburban areas of smaller cities who do not have high speed internet.
I have a friend who I consider suburban.  Doesn’t live that far from the city. Lives on a private drive with 9 other houses. The Main Street the private drive runs off of has high speed. The telecommunications company refused to run high speed internet to those 9 houses down that private drive as it would cost them to much to install the cable.
This is the same as 100s of thousands of millions of other sub-suburban people.
People who live in the cities and suburbs take high speed internet and great cellphone service for granted. You don’t have to drive far out of the cities to find places that are way behind in technology. It’s just too damn costly to run all that cable for miles for just a few customers.
Hell, my son who lives in Georgia has crappy /intermittent internal service. He isn’t that far from a city.

Edit - explained extreme rural
Link Posted: 3/20/2021 9:47:42 AM EST
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Link Posted: 3/20/2021 4:54:00 PM EST
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Good choice Waldo.
Been at the cabin lately?
The Trout fishing will be good pretty soon!
'All The Best'.
Link Posted: 3/20/2021 5:17:28 PM EST
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Thanks @Micke !
Link Posted: 3/20/2021 6:37:25 PM EST
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YW, mnew.
Link Posted: 3/20/2021 6:45:35 PM EST
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Looking at the number of satellites that the various phases of Starlink has planned, I kind of think Musk will be using Starship to populate the network.  Right now Falcon is putting up 60 satellites a month.  If Musk gets his 3 a day Starship launches, he could get close to 1000 a day into the sky.


Starlink is not just for rural America, it is for anywhere that copper and fiber don't feel like going.  My brother-in-law just purchased a beach house on the Bolivar Peninsula.  Ike took out the existing copper - and ATT said fuck it.  Most people are using cellular anyway.  Well right now there is 1 fucking internet service provider that provides a shitty bandwidth fixed point wireless at an inflated price - They have a monopoly.  Starlink will break that monopoly.
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Starlink will be the new monopoly.
Link Posted: 3/20/2021 6:51:40 PM EST
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I posted earlier about how rural people are going to pay for their Starlink. They'll dump their $125 or higher DirectTV, Dish bills, and their $60- $150 cell data plans. They'll still be money ahead even after adding back a couple of streaming services for TV.

BTW, Rural doesn't = poor.
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I pay $110 a month for 20mb service from my electric coop WISP currently because it’s my only option.

I work remote and need reliability....as soon as Starlink can provide that I’ll pull the trigger.
Link Posted: 3/20/2021 6:54:31 PM EST
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We are still building our WISP in lieu of Sarlink.  I'm still skeptical of its performance once there are a shitload of customers.  I'm probably wrong about that but dont care.  Our community will buy local and if they're getting good service they won't switch.  

We're on 2 towers and signing customers every day.  Looking at rural broadband grants for some pretty sizable builds in the area.
Link Posted: 3/20/2021 7:19:52 PM EST
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Link Posted: 3/20/2021 7:38:13 PM EST
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Starlink can’t come soon enough to rural Arizona. They will NEVER put fiber up where I live. They’re never going to spend millions of dollars to service 40 homes. No matter how many times you hear promises from your electric company to start stringing service. They’ll hit the downtown area of city that already had options and never go anywhere that need it. I put my 100 bucks down within minutes of getting the email from Starlink.

My options currently;
1. Frontier DSL. Maybe .6mbps and literally doesn’t work half the day. 65 bucks.
2. Verizon Jetpack on a 4g lte plan. Data caps and throttle city. Network won’t connect to a router so all your devices that need internet that aren’t wireless are fucked. Speeds of maybe 1.5mbps in the middle of the night. Under 40 bucks.
3. OTR Mobile plan. Repackaged AT&T unlimited service. Breakneck speed of 9mbps when run thru a directional WeBoost antenna that cost about 750 dollars. Randomly the SIM cards shit the bed and you have to wait for a new one to be mailed to you and play fuck-fuck games. Their Netgear MR1100 modem at least interfaces with a router to share your data. 100+ bucks a month. Pricing always goes up. Service gets shittier and shittier.
Link Posted: 3/20/2021 7:50:18 PM EST
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That's something that will probably never fly here due to the NRQZ. It's also the reason that cell service is next to nothing and will never be any better without Congress amending the act that created it.
The only option here is starlink unless there's some massive .gov grants for fiber to everyone. And that will never happen due to the low population density. There's only 7000 people in the whole county.
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We are still building our WISP in lieu of Sarlink.  I'm still skeptical of its performance once there are a shitload of customers.  I'm probably wrong about that but dont care.  Our community will buy local and if they're getting good service they won't switch.  

We're on 2 towers and signing customers every day.  Looking at rural broadband grants for some pretty sizable builds in the area.


That's something that will probably never fly here due to the NRQZ. It's also the reason that cell service is next to nothing and will never be any better without Congress amending the act that created it.
The only option here is starlink unless there's some massive .gov grants for fiber to everyone. And that will never happen due to the low population density. There's only 7000 people in the whole county.
any concerns about the uplink signal being prohibited as well?
Link Posted: 3/20/2021 7:52:48 PM EST
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Link Posted: 3/21/2021 9:32:10 AM EST
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That's something that will probably never fly here due to the NRQZ. It's also the reason that cell service is next to nothing and will never be any better without Congress amending the act that created it.
The only option here is starlink unless there's some massive .gov grants for fiber to everyone. And that will never happen due to the low population density. There's only 7000 people in the whole county.
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We are still building our WISP in lieu of Sarlink.  I'm still skeptical of its performance once there are a shitload of customers.  I'm probably wrong about that but dont care.  Our community will buy local and if they're getting good service they won't switch.  

We're on 2 towers and signing customers every day.  Looking at rural broadband grants for some pretty sizable builds in the area.


That's something that will probably never fly here due to the NRQZ. It's also the reason that cell service is next to nothing and will never be any better without Congress amending the act that created it.
The only option here is starlink unless there's some massive .gov grants for fiber to everyone. And that will never happen due to the low population density. There's only 7000 people in the whole county.

For those who've never heard of the NRQZ.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Radio_Quiet_Zone
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