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Posted: 1/9/2023 12:48:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So the specific laws/bans/actions that FL state and local governments took in the last few years aren't bans to be concerned about? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nope, he didn't make that point at all. He only proved he knows nothing about Florida politics. So the specific laws/bans/actions that FL state and local governments took in the last few years aren't bans to be concerned about? Florida local governments aren't allowed to enact their own bans. Over 20 years ago, well before DeSantis, well before the state become reliably red, an amendment was passed to the state constitution that allows local governments to establish a three- to five-day waiting period for the sale of firearms at any place to which the public has access. This would include retail establishments as well as gun shows, gun exhibits and collector's shows. In addition, the amendment allows each county to require a criminal history records check in connection with the sale of any firearm occurring in the county. That is the ONLY thing localities are allowed to do wrt guns and there's nothing the state government can do about it. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 12:55:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't y'all elect two Democratic Senators? Atlanta runs Georgia now. Just like Chicago's been running Illinois for years. If you don't like that, better get your state senate reapportioned to protect rural interests. do you know how state government works? Cause what you posted has shit all to do with it. Our state government is still very red and Atlanta doesn't run that in the slightest. Trump's stupidity.....or i should say Trump's followers stupidity is why we have two democrat senators. (while in the last election our republican governor kicked the shit out of the left's pick) |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 1:02:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just waiting for MN to drop something soon. They stole the whole shebang. The good news for us is that 6 of the 7 states that fall under the auspices of the 8th Circuit Court are red states. Our liberal shithole is the only blue one. 17 of the 18 judges that comprise the 8th Circuit are republican nominees. Thanks to Bruen it should be easy here to slap down unconstitutional legislation. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 1:10:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ahhh, "The adults are in charge" party. I bet people really really regret their vote for Brandon, every fuckin time they get gas. Every time they open up their utility bills. They must feel stupid for voting for Biden, thinking things would be better. ETA: I do wonder if these debates will be different now that someone purchased their Psyop machine (twitter). You still think that 81 million people ACTUALLY voted for him? Ballot harvesting and stuffing ballet drop boxes with duplicate ballots doesn't add up to 81 million.. Democrats care about ballots, Republicans care about votes. They are in the sams.club so it really doesn't matter... |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 1:58:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Florida local governments aren't allowed to enact their own bans. Over 20 years ago, well before DeSantis, well before the state become reliably red, an amendment was passed to the state constitution that allows local governments to establish a three- to five-day waiting period for the sale of firearms at any place to which the public has access. This would include retail establishments as well as gun shows, gun exhibits and collector's shows. In addition, the amendment allows each county to require a criminal history records check in connection with the sale of any firearm occurring in the county. That is the ONLY thing localities are allowed to do wrt guns and there's nothing the state government can do about it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Nope, he didn't make that point at all. He only proved he knows nothing about Florida politics. So the specific laws/bans/actions that FL state and local governments took in the last few years aren't bans to be concerned about? Florida local governments aren't allowed to enact their own bans. Over 20 years ago, well before DeSantis, well before the state become reliably red, an amendment was passed to the state constitution that allows local governments to establish a three- to five-day waiting period for the sale of firearms at any place to which the public has access. This would include retail establishments as well as gun shows, gun exhibits and collector's shows. In addition, the amendment allows each county to require a criminal history records check in connection with the sale of any firearm occurring in the county. That is the ONLY thing localities are allowed to do wrt guns and there's nothing the state government can do about it. Does or does not Florida have state-level red flag laws and bans on under 21 persons purchasing firearms? |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 2:04:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does or does not Florida have state-level red flag laws and bans on under 21 persons purchasing firearms? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Nope, he didn't make that point at all. He only proved he knows nothing about Florida politics. So the specific laws/bans/actions that FL state and local governments took in the last few years aren't bans to be concerned about? Florida local governments aren't allowed to enact their own bans. Over 20 years ago, well before DeSantis, well before the state become reliably red, an amendment was passed to the state constitution that allows local governments to establish a three- to five-day waiting period for the sale of firearms at any place to which the public has access. This would include retail establishments as well as gun shows, gun exhibits and collector's shows. In addition, the amendment allows each county to require a criminal history records check in connection with the sale of any firearm occurring in the county. That is the ONLY thing localities are allowed to do wrt guns and there's nothing the state government can do about it. Does or does not Florida have state-level red flag laws and bans on under 21 persons purchasing firearms? And again, that was passed 5 years ago and is not an indicator of where the state is right now. Florida politics have changed pretty drastically in the last few years. Which the author would know if he'd actually done any research beyond looking it up on Google. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 2:06:33 AM EDT
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Hopefully that big red state on the west coast changes soon.
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Posted: 1/9/2023 2:34:00 AM EDT
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I fucking hate Democrats.
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Posted: 1/9/2023 2:53:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup. Most the idiots in this state don’t vote and most of the ones that do don’t have a clue what they are voting for. The mentality of the non voting republicans in WA is just plain retarded. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 4:06:06 AM EDT
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We’ll have two types of states, guns and limited abortion and no guns, free abortions.
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Posted: 1/9/2023 6:04:48 AM EDT
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Article is highly inaccurate.
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Posted: 1/9/2023 6:31:38 AM EDT
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It goes beyond guns. The same states are trying to ban internal combustion automobiles and gas appliances and heaters. The ban knob has been cranked way up lately.
This is the "You will own nothing and like it" nonsense playing out.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 6:36:24 AM EDT
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Wait I thought we were all "states rights" here? Or are states rights only for when the state government bans something we don't personally like?
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Posted: 1/9/2023 6:38:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Florida local governments aren't allowed to enact their own bans. Over 20 years ago, well before DeSantis, well before the state become reliably red, an amendment was passed to the state constitution that allows local governments to establish a three- to five-day waiting period for the sale of firearms at any place to which the public has access. This would include retail establishments as well as gun shows, gun exhibits and collector's shows. In addition, the amendment allows each county to require a criminal history records check in connection with the sale of any firearm occurring in the county. That is the ONLY thing localities are allowed to do wrt guns and there's nothing the state government can do about it. That sounds like an infringement to me. But what do I know? I am just one of those kooky 2nd Amendment absolutists.. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 6:42:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ahhh, "The adults are in charge" party. I bet people really really regret their vote for Brandon, every fuckin time they get gas. Every time they open up their utility bills. They must feel stupid for voting for Biden, thinking things would be better. ETA: I do wonder if these debates will be different now that someone purchased their Psyop machine (twitter). Nothing will change. Anyone stupid enough to vote for that idiot doesn't think at all. They probably still blame Trump. Somehow it's orange man bad. That's why fuel is high, utilities, etc... it's orange man! |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 7:01:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 10 Years ago all these People in these states that are pro gun told every one from NY and NJ to just move.. 
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Posted: 1/9/2023 7:49:55 AM EDT
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They don’t rest and they don’t quit. Much like the gay/pedo/tranny stuff…..they push from every side at all times. Guns are equally, if not more, important to dems. Sorry dudes, but I don’t see a way out other than a legit civil war. These dems don’t represent, they rule….they need to hang.
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Posted: 1/9/2023 8:19:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryYep, they have gone silent. They thought they were safe in the rear with the gear and now some commie is running into their CP with a giant satchel charge. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 8:21:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Article is highly inaccurate. Quote HistoryQuoted: Article is highly inaccurate. Like this part; It didn’t help that a supposed “originalist,” the late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, took it on himself to volunteer in the Heller case that the Second Amendment] "is no limitation upon arms control by the states," and then to imply banning weapons such as "M-16 rifles and the like" would not be an infringement. Otherwise, he asserted, "it would mean that the National Firearms Act's restrictions on machineguns ... might be unconstitutional, machineguns being useful in warfare in 1939." Bingo! What the hell else would it be? That’s not at all what Heller said. To make that statement means this “Author” never actually read the ruling & is parroting liberal BS handpicked out of context like they love to do. Also, why is WI light green? What does that even mean? We have no restrictions on Semi or Full Auto (outside of NFA BS) & that is not about to change anytime soon. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 8:24:21 AM EDT
[#20]
Where are rthe pics of the Illinois gun owners protesting in ther capital?
I remember after Sandy Hook and the ban talk started and a couple thousand of us were at Columbus, Oh and other state capitals. Its really a shame too after visiting family in rural Ill but again even the best conservative in Ill is a little left to me. Maybe its in the water... |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 8:31:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, Florida too. The writer of this article isn't the brightest bulb in the pack. Florida has some statutes that are worse than you'd expect to find here and constitutional carry has been getting stonewalled for years by Republicans in the state legislature. Rick Scott signed a gun control bill right before he stepped into his senate seat, we're steadily developing the same "lots of sparse red counties overruled by blue cities" problem as everywhere else, and I'm a little concerned about succession once DeSantis either runs for president or terms out. Making a little more sense yet? |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 8:32:11 AM EDT
[#22]
All state gun laws are unconstitutional.
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Posted: 1/9/2023 8:40:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait I thought we were all "states rights" here? Or are states rights only for when the state government bans something we don't personally like? State's rights don't apply to apply to what is in the Constitution. Drugs, traffic laws, abortion are not in the Constitution, that goes to the states. Guns are in the Constitution, not a state power. But I'm not a lawyer. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 8:45:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do they use them in CO like they currently use 30rd mags? Doubt it. Why? Cuz they'd get turned in probably. The second CO LEO start enforcing the mag ban people will quit using them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Until they actually start to prosecute people. Know anyone that still uses a bumpstock, has unregistered machineguns, SBRs,etc? You think anyone's going to honestly answer that question here? And I got called a "glowie" lol. I mean, I don't know anyone of course, but if you think there aren't folks out there with what you listed you're beyond niave. Do they use them in CO like they currently use 30rd mags? Doubt it. Why? Cuz they'd get turned in probably. The second CO LEO start enforcing the mag ban people will quit using them. You should let your husband post as he has your balls. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 9:04:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So what happens when someone does a Charles Whitman impersonation? Ban scopes? Ban bolt actions? Ban any forearm that can shoot more than 100yds accurately?  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 9:04:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 10 Years ago all these People in these states that are pro gun told every one from NY and NJ to just move.. Your looking at a ban in all 50 states in the next 5 years on a fed Law....State by State is Falling to the Communist Democrats,Arizona,New Mexico,Colorado where all Big Republican states now are Democrat.. When will the Republicans understand that the American people voted for chaos and want Chaos!!! They Voted for a sitting US Senator from CT who went to a communist party and received award..they voted for a man who had a stroke and cant speak in PA...The Republican Party is a dead or dying Party... It’s called the 19th amendment and psychological operations on the emotionally vulnerable demographic high backed up by proxy voting (pensions, etfs, mutual funds and custodians) coercing boards and C suites and, lastly, the education industrial complex. Notes on Democracy Mencken There is exactly zero chance the ballot box can restore the Constitution because the original voting and electoral system was subverted LONG ago. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 9:17:42 AM EDT
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Va will have the Va Safe Act as soon as the Democrats retake the state after Youngkin. Remember kids, the Democrats that voted against Va's AWB didn't do so because they were against it, only because they weren't sure how to implement it.
I was one of those assholes that was all Muh near Super Majority in the House hurr durr. Then Trump got elected and the Va Democrats went fucking insane and came out to vote. Also didn't help that the GOP drew shitty maps that got struck down by a liberal judge that then assigned a liberal college professor to redraw the maps, surprising leading to liberal favored maps. Redistricting heavily favored the Democrats this time around. Va is true and properly fucked after Youngkin. Maybe even with if a big enough shooting happens since Youngkin seems to think he can be president. Hell if I am remembering right, the Va Constitution is stronger on the 2A than the fed level, but democrats don't give a shit. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 9:21:39 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As the next few years go by more and more states will pass AWBs. A number of states just banned standard capacity mags. RI, DE, WA and OR. I might be missing some. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 10:17:59 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where are rthe pics of the Illinois gun owners protesting in ther capital? I remember after Sandy Hook and the ban talk started and a couple thousand of us were at Columbus, Oh and other state capitals. Its really a shame too after visiting family in rural Ill but again even the best conservative in Ill is a little left to me. Maybe its in the water... Doubt If you knew anything about the current state in IL, you'd know that no amount of downstate gun owners showing up at the capital would matter. The D's did even more redistricting last year and gave themselves even more seats around Chicago. A handful of counties hold a supermajority in the house and senate, there is no voting or protesting your way out of what's coming here. Below is a map of IL counties and how they voted in the last election.....it should give you a little better insight into what's happening. Cook and the surrounding counties will dictate what happens in this state. 
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Posted: 1/9/2023 11:54:40 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does or does not Florida have state-level red flag laws and bans on under 21 persons purchasing firearms? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Nope, he didn't make that point at all. He only proved he knows nothing about Florida politics. So the specific laws/bans/actions that FL state and local governments took in the last few years aren't bans to be concerned about? Florida local governments aren't allowed to enact their own bans. Over 20 years ago, well before DeSantis, well before the state become reliably red, an amendment was passed to the state constitution that allows local governments to establish a three- to five-day waiting period for the sale of firearms at any place to which the public has access. This would include retail establishments as well as gun shows, gun exhibits and collector's shows. In addition, the amendment allows each county to require a criminal history records check in connection with the sale of any firearm occurring in the county. That is the ONLY thing localities are allowed to do wrt guns and there's nothing the state government can do about it. Does or does not Florida have state-level red flag laws and bans on under 21 persons purchasing firearms? And a rapid-fire device ban: trigger cranks, "Hyperfire" devices, binary triggers, etc. are banned and its a felony to possess one- none have been repealed nor is there any serious effort by any Republicans to repeal the Trump-approved gun control that Rick Scott signed so FL isn't the perfect 2A paradise that some here want to believe it is. It may be great now compared to Colorado and some other states but it doesn't deserve to be in the same dark green status as other states on that map. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 12:24:08 PM EDT
[#31]
Ok, so I’m dumb and can’t figure this out.
What does this mean for Illinois right now? I built my dad an AR, he’s in the steps of retiring and will be moving to a free state but I went to make sure he doesn’t do something stupid like turn it in |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 3:43:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Like this part; That’s not at all what Heller said. To make that statement means this “Author” never actually read the ruling & is parroting liberal BS handpicked out of context like they love to do. Also, why is WI light green? What does that even mean? We have no restrictions on Semi or Full Auto (outside of NFA BS) & that is not about to change anytime soon. Well, don't you have: A democrat governor, democrat lieutenant governor, democrat attorney general, and democrat secretary of state? "Light green states may be in danger due to liberals winning key elections and/or have passed laws on purchasing, restricting certain accessories, etc.." |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 12:28:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok, so I’m dumb and can’t figure this out. What does this mean for Illinois right now? I built my dad an AR, he’s in the steps of retiring and will be moving to a free state but I went to make sure he doesn’t do something stupid like turn it in IL has grandfathering in their law so he can hold on to it until he moves. |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 12:54:14 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: IL has grandfathering in their law so he can hold on to it until he moves. I believe he'll still have to register it, if he's one that won't break the new law. |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 3:06:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe he'll still have to register it, if he's one that won't break the new law. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: IL has grandfathering in their law so he can hold on to it until he moves. I believe he'll still have to register it, if he's one that won't break the new law. Sure, but if he's leaving anyway - he's going somewhere new so IL's registry won't matter except that it was registered somewhere. |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 9:17:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Until they actually start to prosecute people. Know anyone that still uses a bumpstock, has unregistered machineguns, SBRs,etc? What the fuck are you talking about? |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 9:20:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do they use them in CO like they currently use 30rd mags? Doubt it. Why? Cuz they'd get turned in probably. The second CO LEO start enforcing the mag ban people will quit using them. Again, WTF are you talking about? The mags are grandfathered. You actually think LEO is going to start checking mags for their manufacture date? 70 of 72 Sheriffs told the state to fuck off, they aren't enforcing the bullshit ban. |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 9:31:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait I thought we were all "states rights" here? Or are states rights only for when the state government bans something we don't personally like? State rights don't get to violate the bill of rights. It is the job of the Federal government to make sure that doesn't happen. |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 9:59:51 PM EDT
[#39]
GUYS CHILL!!!
The NRA’s got this! Sit back and let them work. |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 10:03:02 PM EDT
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I don't think guns are really at risk here in AZ. It's kind of a third rail here to fuck with guns. The independents outnumber democrats here and there are pro 2a. AZ wasn't always a top gun freedom state. We built the culture here over decades. Only democrats in the absolute safest districts will even mention anti gun stuff
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