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Posted: 1/7/2016 8:52:47 PM EDT
Two episodes in and I'm convinced "Making a Murderer" is a Steven Avery fluff piece. This guy is guilty as hell and this show minimizes or omits everything he did prior to his first arrest. The man poured gas on a cat and threw it into a fire and it was a "cat incident".

This entire post is one long, griping spoiler.

Steven Avery, the subject of the hit Netflix documentary “Making a Murderer,” is currently serving a life sentence for the gruesome killing of 25-year-old photographer Teresa Halbach, whose remains were found in a fire pit on his property in Wisconsin.  What makes the documentary so fascinating — and hopefully you’re already aware of this — is that Avery had previously spent 18 years in prison for a crime he didn’t commit. The bulk of the un-narrated documentary focuses on what defense lawyers propose is questionable conduct by police and prosecutors, many of whom, we’re supposed to believe, framed Avery for the crime in an attempt to save their own reputations and the town from fiscal calamity.

I was convinced of many things watching the 10-part series: I was convinced the criminal justice system and Manitowoc County were likely corrupt, and that many people in that office wanted to see Avery end up back in jail. I was convinced that I was being manipulated by directors Laura Ricciardi and Moira Demos (more on this later). I was definitely convinced that Avery was guilty of the murder. And, believe it or not, a viewer could believe all those things simultaneously.

But I feel like I’m in the minority on this. There are now petitions on Change.org and WhiteHouse.gov asking for Obama to pardon Avery (he can’t) that have collected, as of this writing, more than 300,000 signatures. This is utterly absurd.

The DNA evidence exonerating Avery for the rape of a jogger in 1985 did not make him incapable of committing murder (maybe it was his time in prison that transformed Avery into a killer; the documentary doesn’t tell us much about those 18 years in prison, though surely they were traumatic). Yet, it seems that many idealistic viewers want to transfer their anger about the initial miscarriage of justice — and a general distrust of the police — to the new case and use it as reasonable doubt, despite the preponderance of evidence.

Here are some basic things we know right now:

Parts of Halbach’s body were found burned in Avery’s fire pit.
Evidence of Avery’s involvement was found inside his home.
There is DNA evidence tying the bullet found in the Avery garage to Halbach.
Avery was the last known person to see Halbach alive.
Police found her car, with blood on it and in it, left on the Avery family’s lot.
Avery’s high-school age cousin, Brendan Dassey, confessed that he had assisted his uncle in murder of Halbach.*
Now, to believe Avery is innocent, a person must believe that an implausible number of conspiracies had been unfurled in the case: for starters, the placing of the car, the blood, the body, the keys, and all other evidence. The cover up would have included two DAs and a large group of cops in two police departments. And while it’s not improbable that some of those involved might be morally capable of setting up Avery, Dean Strang (now a sex symbol) and Jerome Buting offered no evidence that anyone had done so, only accusations.

But beyond all that, here are just a few items that the producers of “Making a Murderer” decided to leave out that make the case less riveting and Avery more sympathetic:

— Not only was the bullet found in the garage linked to Halbach’s DNA, but it was forensically tied to Avery’s gun as well. Seems like a pertinent thing for viewers to know. To believe Avery was innocent, you now have to believe that forensics specialists were in on the frame-up and lied about both the DNA and gun, or messed up both tests.

— The criminal complaint claimed that authorities had found restraints — handcuffs and leg irons — at Avery’s residence. In 2006, Avery admitted to buying them so he could use them on his then-girlfriend. This alone doesn’t mean Avery is the killer of course, but it does lend credence to the description offered by Dassey and the police. We heard nothing about this during the show.

— The infamous car key that was found in Avery’s residence had DNA of his sweat on it. So not only are we asked to believe the Manitowoc police department planted the keys in his trailer (and that the neighboring police force was either incompetent or complicit in the deception), but also that somehow the cops had extracted Avery’s perspiration and put it on the key. Another explanation might be that Avery handled the keys when dealing with Halbach, although he denies having ever seen them.

Which bring up additional question: If Avery’s defenders are convinced that DNA from one pubic hair completely exonerates him in the rape case, why does DNA evidence in this case not prove his guilt?

— Avery not only called Auto Trader and specifically requested Halbach to take pictures the day she was killed, but he also gave a false name when he did so. Why? And why would he, and the documentarians, fail to mention it? Avery then called Halbach’s cell phone three times the day she died, twice using *67 to obscure his identity. None of this proves his guilt, but all of these actions undermine the defense’s contention that Halbach was just someone that happened to come by that day for a job. It sounds like he wanted her to come by. None of this is mentioned in the documentary.

— Not only was Avery’s blood — which we’re supposed to believe was planted by the police after being extracted from an evidence room — found in six places on Halbach’s vehicle, but DNA from his sweat was also found on a hood latch. How did it get there? Did the police have a vial of perspiration ready to go the day of the murder?

— You’d also have to be gullible to believe that Avery was merely a flawed, but good-hearted victim of unfortunate circumstance once you learn more about his history. According to an Appleton Post Crescent article from 2006, Avery planned the fantasy torture and killing of a young woman while in prison. According to Ken Kratz at least, Avery also drew up plans for torture chambers while in prison. True? We don’t know. The documentary never mentions (or disproves) any of these accusations.

The young Avery didn’t unintentionally set fire to a cat, as “Making a Murderer” suggests, but poured gasoline on the animal and then threw it into a bonfire, according the Associated Press. And Avery didn’t only threaten a female cousin at gunpoint, an incident the documentary portrays as the unfortunate actions of an immature teen, but is also alleged to have raped a young girl and threatened to kill her family if they spoke out, according another story in Post Crescent (paywalled). If we’re to believe Dassey’s conversations with police, Avery had also molested his cousins. “I even told them about Steven touching me,” Dassey explains to his mother after one of the interviews with police.

Now, we don’t know if all or any of these accusations are true. But we do know that the documentary didn’t offer viewers the full picture of Avery’s purported behavior and ugly proclivities. Yet, the same filmmakers had no problem bringing up Kratz’s sexting scandal and other unpleasant tidbits about the prosecution and police, though they had nothing to do with the case itself.

Why would Avery leave the keys in his room? Why would he leave the vehicle in his lot? Who would be that stupid? He had to be set up. I hear this defense often. Well, maybe Avery is not very bright.  Maybe Avery didn’t have time to rid himself of the evidence. Who cares? Whether he was smart enough to mastermind a murder or whether he once faced an injustice of the system, doesn’t change the facts of this case. Maybe if I was on the jury I would see things differently. My judgement is made solely on the evidence available to me as a viewer. Maybe we’ll hear new evidence moving forward that changes all of this, but “Making a Murderer,” much like “Serial” before it, is a work of advocacy journalism.

I’m not sure there is anything wrong with advocacy, as this is still a compelling look at the families of the victims and suspects and their experience in the American justice system, but we shouldn’t pretend that it’s something else.

*For me the matter of Dassey’s confession was the most problematic part of the case. The police interviews with him were almost unwatchable at times. The detectives’ questioning of Dassey (and describing what they did as “questioning” is far too charitable) without an attorney or family member present, despite the kid’s obviously low IQ, was abuse. Kratz’s press conference misrepresenting the tenor and outcome of that confession was nothing more than a lie. Yet, it needs to be pointed out that Dassey’s confession was far more specific than his other stories and comported with evidence that turned up.
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Link Posted: 1/7/2016 8:53:45 PM EDT
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2 episodes in, eh?
Link Posted: 1/7/2016 8:57:07 PM EDT
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He dipped a cat in oil and lit it on fire when he was younger.

Animal torturers escalate they don't get less evil.

I'm betting he's a retarded psycho.
Link Posted: 1/7/2016 8:57:09 PM EDT
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Not sure I can go much further seeing how biased it is toward this dude. Definitely not an objective piece
Link Posted: 1/7/2016 8:57:36 PM EDT
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Pfffft.  You ain't seen nothin yet.
Link Posted: 1/7/2016 8:57:41 PM EDT
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Good thing you started a whole new thread instead of posting in one of the already existing threads about the show.
Link Posted: 1/7/2016 8:58:19 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/7/2016 8:58:50 PM EDT
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I concur
Link Posted: 1/7/2016 8:58:58 PM EDT
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Watch the rest of it and then decide.



I think he is guilty but DESERVES a new trial.
Link Posted: 1/7/2016 8:59:27 PM EDT
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He's a burglar, animal abuser, sex offender (jerked off next to road so his cousin would see), incestuous (see last), and apparently a murderer. Pretty much the lowest form of scum out there.
Link Posted: 1/7/2016 8:59:37 PM EDT
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he did it.
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Thus

I have to think he's guilty to I sleep better knowing 2 things:
The actually killer isn't free
The system can be so fucked yo but at least the outcome was correct.

Of course it's one sided. Nobody else would consent to filming or interviews. They had the opportunity to prevent a Avery puff piece. I can think of a dozen people in there whose professional reputations are severely tarnished seeing that bullshit trial
Link Posted: 1/7/2016 9:05:10 PM EDT
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I'm 5 episodes in and I'm not nearly convinced of his "innocence" yet on the murder charge.
Link Posted: 1/7/2016 9:05:55 PM EDT
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Didn't know that.  Fuck him.
Link Posted: 1/7/2016 9:06:17 PM EDT
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[Cleared]
 
Link Posted: 1/7/2016 9:09:09 PM EDT
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= expert opinion
Link Posted: 1/7/2016 9:10:02 PM EDT
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2 episodes and you've found all that info in there?



Wow.



I must have missed 80% of what you've seen. I'm usually more observant than that.
Link Posted: 1/7/2016 9:10:23 PM EDT
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haha, yah i keep hearing people saying the cops didnt do anything wrong, but they havent even watched more than 1 ep etc. its funny shit, been laughing at ppl all week over it.
also work with some cops that havent even watched it but they are hardcore defending the cops in the issue, its sad.
people just need to ignore all the shit from both sides and just watch it. too many people taking sides without even watching it right now.



 
Link Posted: 1/7/2016 9:12:16 PM EDT
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A safer bet is that the entire family is mentally retarded, they're all prone to impulsivity and aggression, and the males are sexually aggressive and socially inappropriate.

They're a family of outcasts that collectively live in a junkyard/gravel pit.  Anytime they encounter normal people I imagine restraining orders and criminal charges ensue.
Link Posted: 1/7/2016 9:15:23 PM EDT
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Haven't watched it....

However:

Found a website with a summary of what they DIDN'T show or say in the documentary....kind of interesting..

The cat (mentioned above).
His abusing the other guy (?cousin?) charged with the murder...and the recorded phone calls (from jail) from that guy to his mom about the abuse (and how Avery made him do it).
His calling the victim repeatedly to get his car photographed for autotrader...meeting her in only a towel.
The Victim refused to go back and tells her boss how creepy he is...then he calls from a different phone to have the car pictured at his ?Sisters? house.

And some other stuff...kind of interesting how much was left out.

AFARR
Link Posted: 1/7/2016 9:21:20 PM EDT
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"I haven't seen the entire show and do not have all the facts but I consider that enough to make a definitive decision on the subject."

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Haven't watched it....

However:

Found a website with a summary of what they DIDN'T show or say in the documentary....kind of interesting..

The cat (mentioned above).
His abusing the other guy (?cousin?) charged with the murder...and the recorded phone calls (from jail) from that guy to his mom about the abuse (and how Avery made him do it).
His calling the victim repeatedly to get his car photographed for autotrader...meeting her in only a towel.
The Victim refused to go back and tells her boss how creepy he is...then he calls from a different phone to have the car pictured at his ?Sisters? house.

And some other stuff...kind of interesting how much was left out.

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Yeah agreed. Even with the so called documentary clearly presenting his side as favorable as was possible,  he's guilty as fuck.

Maybe the cops could have done whatever better,  but he killed that woman. Fuck him, rot in prison.

Eta,  I'd never heard of him, but watched the whole series.
Link Posted: 1/7/2016 9:23:52 PM EDT
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Thank you for citing the obvious OP..................
Link Posted: 1/7/2016 9:26:51 PM EDT
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If we only had a 10 page thread on this subject.


http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1819225_Making_a_Murderer_on_Netflix.html
Link Posted: 1/7/2016 9:27:46 PM EDT
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I haven't seen the show, either, but looking at people's reactions, I am reminded of the way some very vocal people think of Mumia Abu Jamal.
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The whole point of the argument is that one would not have "all the facts" even if they did watch the entire documentary.

Biased documentary is biased.
Link Posted: 1/7/2016 9:30:04 PM EDT
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Yeah, I hate the Dupe Police more than anyone but there is a thread on Page 1 for fuck's sake. Get it together people.
Link Posted: 1/7/2016 9:31:55 PM EDT
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The whole point of the argument is that one would not have "all the facts" even if they did watch the entire documentary.

Biased documentary is biased.
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The whole point of the argument is that one would not have "all the facts" even if they did watch the entire documentary.

Biased documentary is biased.

And yet a Juror said the Documentary had at least 98% of the stuff they got about his guilt during the trial. And much more when threatened in the jury room.

BUT AGAIN ALL THIS IS BEING DISCUSSED IN THE OFFICIAL THREAD WTF
Link Posted: 1/7/2016 9:35:06 PM EDT
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Lol wut?

FPNI
Link Posted: 1/7/2016 9:35:10 PM EDT
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yep.
the producers are simply pushing their opinion.
Governor Walker isn't going to pardon him, so they can run all the film they want to; it won't matter.
Link Posted: 1/7/2016 9:36:07 PM EDT
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Crimson glory ftw


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This entire series is rife with unethical, sloppy, and outright dishonest police work.

My sergeants in the academy would have stomped a gigantic mudhole in me if they found out I did half the shit the investigators did in that series.
Link Posted: 1/7/2016 9:47:08 PM EDT
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It's GD.  Who gives a fuck?  
Link Posted: 1/7/2016 9:47:49 PM EDT
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I've only made it through the first one and I have a very uneasy feeling about Avery. Something is seriously off about him. I'll reserve full judgement until I'm done.
Link Posted: 1/7/2016 9:54:40 PM EDT
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Adnan is guiltier than Steven.
Link Posted: 1/7/2016 9:56:14 PM EDT
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In the garage? Where there was ZERO of Halbach's DNA present?

And she was raped and had her throat cut in his trailer? Where there was ZERO of Halbach's DNA present?

Those two retards scrubbed a garage and trailer of 100% of a cut/shot victim's DNA yet didn't bother to crush the Rav4 and didn't bother to completely incinerate her in the kiln?

Really?

The key they found in the trailer had his DNA on it but not hers? How the fuck does that happen?

Beyond a shadow of a doubt means just that.
Link Posted: 1/7/2016 9:59:45 PM EDT
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In the garage? Where there was ZERO of Halbach's DNA present?



And she was raped and had her throat cut in his trailer? Where there was ZERO of Halbach's DNA present?



Those two retards scrubbed a garage and trailer of 100% of a cut/shot victim's DNA yet didn't bother to crush the Rav4 and didn't bother to completely incinerate her in the kiln?




Really?



The key they found in the trailer had his DNA on it but not hers? How the fuck does that happen?



Beyond a shadow of a doubt means just that.

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he did it.




In the garage? Where there was ZERO of Halbach's DNA present?



And she was raped and had her throat cut in his trailer? Where there was ZERO of Halbach's DNA present?



Those two retards scrubbed a garage and trailer of 100% of a cut/shot victim's DNA yet didn't bother to crush the Rav4 and didn't bother to completely incinerate her in the kiln?




Really?



The key they found in the trailer had his DNA on it but not hers? How the fuck does that happen?



Beyond a shadow of a doubt means just that.

Fo sho brotha.  Retard strength also applies to sterilizing crime scenes.



 
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yep.
the producers are simply pushing their opinion.
Governor Walker isn't going to pardon him, so they can run all the film they want to; it won't matter.
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yep.
the producers are simply pushing their opinion.
Governor Walker isn't going to pardon him, so they can run all the film they want to; it won't matter.


Apparently the victim's family was asked to be a part of the series but refused.

IMHO they missed an opportunity to balance the series.
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In the garage? Where there was ZERO of Halbach's DNA present?

And she was raped and had her throat cut in his trailer? Where there was ZERO of Halbach's DNA present?

Those two retards scrubbed a garage and trailer of 100% of a cut/shot victim's DNA yet didn't bother to crush the Rav4 and didn't bother to completely incinerate her in the kiln?

Really?

The key they found in the trailer had his DNA on it but not hers? How the fuck does that happen?

Beyond a shadow of a doubt means just that.
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he did it.


In the garage? Where there was ZERO of Halbach's DNA present?

And she was raped and had her throat cut in his trailer? Where there was ZERO of Halbach's DNA present?

Those two retards scrubbed a garage and trailer of 100% of a cut/shot victim's DNA yet didn't bother to crush the Rav4 and didn't bother to completely incinerate her in the kiln?

Really?

The key they found in the trailer had his DNA on it but not hers? How the fuck does that happen?

Beyond a shadow of a doubt means just that.


Well, that's not the term sir. It's reasonable doubt. A reasonable person would believe that he did it. 12 reasonable people believed he did it. You ever stop to think he may have learned a little about DNA when he was in prison?
Link Posted: 1/7/2016 10:01:42 PM EDT
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I finished it last week and started re-watching it again to see what I missed.  At this point I am fairly convinced of three things:  One, Steven Avery did it.  Two, The police, knowing that he did it, tampered with, and downright planted evidence to make their case stronger which, in reality, nearly cast enough reasonable doubt for him to walk.  Three, the nephew got railroaded.  Hard.

I'm indifferent to Avery getting a new trial.  The kid, should be released immediately pending a new trial somewhere, anywhere, other than Wisconsin.
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You can see it in his eyes.

Plenty of information on the case without watching the propaganda.

The show is withholding evidence.
Link Posted: 1/7/2016 10:02:46 PM EDT
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The show was one sided against the police just like every other show on Netflix. Did you watch Panzram, where they blamed the prison system for his serial murders and 1000 homosexual rapes? yep, he just woke in prison one day and that turned him into a monster...
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Fo sho brotha.  Retard strength also applies to sterilizing crime scenes.
 
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he did it.


In the garage? Where there was ZERO of Halbach's DNA present?

And she was raped and had her throat cut in his trailer? Where there was ZERO of Halbach's DNA present?

Those two retards scrubbed a garage and trailer of 100% of a cut/shot victim's DNA yet didn't bother to crush the Rav4 and didn't bother to completely incinerate her in the kiln?


Really?

The key they found in the trailer had his DNA on it but not hers? How the fuck does that happen?

Beyond a shadow of a doubt means just that.
Fo sho brotha.  Retard strength also applies to sterilizing crime scenes.
 


lol

I assume you are kidding, but that garage looked anything but "scrubbed." There's no way those dumb asses could have scrubbed thousands of square inches of surface area on all the tools and boxes in that garage without missing something.

The investigators even busted up the concrete crack in the garage floor expecting to find her blood in it... Nope.
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I finished it last week and started re-watching it again to see what I missed.  At this point I am fairly convinced of three things:  One, Steven Avery did it.  Two, The police, knowing that he did it, tampered with, and downright planted evidence to make their case stronger which, in reality, nearly cast enough reasonable doubt for him to walk.  Three, the nephew got railroaded.  Hard.

I'm indifferent to Avery getting a new trial.  The kid, should be released immediately pending a new trial somewhere, anywhere, other than Wisconsin.
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All of this.

I'm not saying he didn't do it.

I'm just saying the prosecutor didn't prove he did it IMHO. Of course I wasn't in the courtroom hearing all the evidence.

ETA - And if he did kill her, he sure as hell didn't do it in his garage or in his trailer... IIRC I even heard that the forensics team didn't even test his bed for Dassey's semen...
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You can see it in his eyes.

Plenty of information on the case without watching the propaganda.

The show is withholding evidence.
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I've only made it through the first one and I have a very uneasy feeling about Avery. Something is seriously off about him. I'll reserve full judgement until I'm done.

You can see it in his eyes.

Plenty of information on the case without watching the propaganda.

The show is withholding evidence.

Not surprising. It's almost impossible to find any documentaries where bias can be removed and the story told as it's seen.

I'm sure I sound like a broken record about the Frontline documentary "Losing Iraq" but that has been one of the best I've seen in a long time where facts, evidence and interviews from those in charge and not a lackey were done. And what makes it even more surprising was it was done by Frontline.

Sorry to get off topic.
Link Posted: 1/7/2016 10:22:14 PM EDT
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He did it, no question. He's a lunatic white trash POS. Fuck him.
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lol

I assume you are kidding, but that garage looked anything but "scrubbed." There's no way those dumb asses could have scrubbed thousands of square inches of surface area on all the tools and boxes in that garage without missing something.

The investigators even busted up the concrete crack in the garage floor expecting to find her blood in it... Nope.
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In the garage? Where there was ZERO of Halbach's DNA present?

And she was raped and had her throat cut in his trailer? Where there was ZERO of Halbach's DNA present?

Those two retards scrubbed a garage and trailer of 100% of a cut/shot victim's DNA yet didn't bother to crush the Rav4 and didn't bother to completely incinerate her in the kiln?


Really?

The key they found in the trailer had his DNA on it but not hers? How the fuck does that happen?

Beyond a shadow of a doubt means just that.
Fo sho brotha.  Retard strength also applies to sterilizing crime scenes.
 


lol

I assume you are kidding, but that garage looked anything but "scrubbed." There's no way those dumb asses could have scrubbed thousands of square inches of surface area on all the tools and boxes in that garage without missing something.

The investigators even busted up the concrete crack in the garage floor expecting to find her blood in it... Nope.

Precisely.  Both the garage and bedroom were filthy with junk and had porous flooring yet the investigators found nada.  No fuckin way they bound and stabbed her, drug her across the lawn and shot her multiple times on the concrete without a trace of blood to be found.

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lol

I assume you are kidding, but that garage looked anything but "scrubbed." There's no way those dumb asses could have scrubbed thousands of square inches of surface area on all the tools and boxes in that garage without missing something.

The investigators even busted up the concrete crack in the garage floor expecting to find her blood in it... Nope.
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he did it.


In the garage? Where there was ZERO of Halbach's DNA present?

And she was raped and had her throat cut in his trailer? Where there was ZERO of Halbach's DNA present?

Those two retards scrubbed a garage and trailer of 100% of a cut/shot victim's DNA yet didn't bother to crush the Rav4 and didn't bother to completely incinerate her in the kiln?


Really?

The key they found in the trailer had his DNA on it but not hers? How the fuck does that happen?

Beyond a shadow of a doubt means just that.
Fo sho brotha.  Retard strength also applies to sterilizing crime scenes.
 


lol

I assume you are kidding, but that garage looked anything but "scrubbed." There's no way those dumb asses could have scrubbed thousands of square inches of surface area on all the tools and boxes in that garage without missing something.

The investigators even busted up the concrete crack in the garage floor expecting to find her blood in it... Nope.


this

do I think avery did it?  most likely
did the state prove it?  hell fucking no
did the police tamper or plant shit?  oh hell fucking yes
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In the garage? Where there was ZERO of Halbach's DNA present?

And she was raped and had her throat cut in his trailer? Where there was ZERO of Halbach's DNA present?

Those two retards scrubbed a garage and trailer of 100% of a cut/shot victim's DNA yet didn't bother to crush the Rav4 and didn't bother to completely incinerate her in the kiln?

Really?

The key they found in the trailer had his DNA on it but not hers? How the fuck does that happen?

Beyond a shadow of a doubt means just that.
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he did it.


In the garage? Where there was ZERO of Halbach's DNA present?

And she was raped and had her throat cut in his trailer? Where there was ZERO of Halbach's DNA present?

Those two retards scrubbed a garage and trailer of 100% of a cut/shot victim's DNA yet didn't bother to crush the Rav4 and didn't bother to completely incinerate her in the kiln?

Really?

The key they found in the trailer had his DNA on it but not hers? How the fuck does that happen?

Beyond a shadow of a doubt means just that.


You raise some compelling points. I concede that.

But logically,  a couple things come to mind.  His going out of his way to get that gal within arms reach, more than once.  The nephews conversations with his mother, etc.

Secondly, for this to be a frame job,  someone had to kill the girl. Was it the cops? Just to frame this guy?  Or, did someone else do it and they completely let that cat go and moved the body to his place, burned it, etc just to frame him?

I find it easier to explain the lack of DNA and forensics to sub par detective work on the part of the GOVERNMENT. they fuck everything up.

He killed her and should do the time.
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Well, that's not the term sir. It's reasonable doubt. A reasonable person would believe that he did it. 12 reasonable people believed he did it. You ever stop to think he may have learned a little about DNA when he was in prison?
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In the garage? Where there was ZERO of Halbach's DNA present?

And she was raped and had her throat cut in his trailer? Where there was ZERO of Halbach's DNA present?

Those two retards scrubbed a garage and trailer of 100% of a cut/shot victim's DNA yet didn't bother to crush the Rav4 and didn't bother to completely incinerate her in the kiln?

Really?

The key they found in the trailer had his DNA on it but not hers? How the fuck does that happen?

Beyond a shadow of a doubt means just that.


Well, that's not the term sir. It's reasonable doubt. A reasonable person would believe that he did it. 12 reasonable people believed he did it. You ever stop to think he may have learned a little about DNA when he was in prison?


I know what the term is.

A reasonable person would ask himself the following questions: Where's her DNA? Where is her hair in his trailer where it was allegedly cut off? Where were the rope fibers from where she was tied to the bed? Why wasn't her blood found anywhere in his trailer? Why did her ex boyfriend erase the last messages on her voice mail remotely? Why didn't her room mate report her missing for four days? How did that deputy call her plate number in and know the color, make and model of the missing vehicle if he weren't looking at it?

Why were the Sheriff department folks still hanging around a crime scene investigation that they had been recused of?
Two in particular that were personally liable for part of a $36,000,000 suit that they had already been deposed for?
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