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Quoted: this do I think avery did it? most likely did the state prove it? hell fucking no did the police tamper or plant shit? oh hell fucking yes View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: he did it. In the garage? Where there was ZERO of Halbach's DNA present? And she was raped and had her throat cut in his trailer? Where there was ZERO of Halbach's DNA present? Those two retards scrubbed a garage and trailer of 100% of a cut/shot victim's DNA yet didn't bother to crush the Rav4 and didn't bother to completely incinerate her in the kiln? Really? The key they found in the trailer had his DNA on it but not hers? How the fuck does that happen? Beyond a shadow of a doubt means just that. lol I assume you are kidding, but that garage looked anything but "scrubbed." There's no way those dumb asses could have scrubbed thousands of square inches of surface area on all the tools and boxes in that garage without missing something. The investigators even busted up the concrete crack in the garage floor expecting to find her blood in it... Nope. this do I think avery did it? most likely did the state prove it? hell fucking no did the police tamper or plant shit? oh hell fucking yes This. Those cops should be right in jail with him, and a MINIMUM Avery should get a retrial, somewhere outside of the area, by people with truly open minds. The problem is, without the planted evidence, there probably isn't enough to convict him, which very well may be correct. |
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Quoted: And....on top of that, With that much blood in the vial put in there by a needle where the tube is sealed by a rubber stopper and a perfect seal around the needle piercing the rubber, how would you fill a vial? You would quickly start compressing the air that was in the vial as you pressurize the air in the vial by forcibly adding the liquid, taking up room. You would eventually not be able to push the needle plunger down, the sample would have blown out back through the plunger seal or the vial would have blown the stopper off. I would think that they would have to , by physics alone, fill that vial with the stopper off. No need to pierce it, unless one wanted to extract it. Unless there was a reason and a documented chain of custody report for handling that sample at any time between the 18 years he was in prison the first time and then the time of the murder, I would lean towards tampering. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: But then the Defense found an old Avery blood sample that had been in evidence, but the seal had been broken, and a needle hole was seen in the rubber cap of the vial. The seal being broken is one thing, but a needle hole in the rubber tube stopper is nothing...how else do you think the blood actually got into the tube originally? Via the big hole when the stopper is removed? And....on top of that, With that much blood in the vial put in there by a needle where the tube is sealed by a rubber stopper and a perfect seal around the needle piercing the rubber, how would you fill a vial? You would quickly start compressing the air that was in the vial as you pressurize the air in the vial by forcibly adding the liquid, taking up room. You would eventually not be able to push the needle plunger down, the sample would have blown out back through the plunger seal or the vial would have blown the stopper off. I would think that they would have to , by physics alone, fill that vial with the stopper off. No need to pierce it, unless one wanted to extract it. Unless there was a reason and a documented chain of custody report for handling that sample at any time between the 18 years he was in prison the first time and then the time of the murder, I would lean towards tampering. Blood collection tubes are purged with nitrogen at the factory to remove oxygen and have the rubber stoppers sealed onto the neck in a low pressure environment. This makes the inside of the tube oxygen-free and under vacuum. When blood is collected in a clinic or hospital, the blood is sucked into the tube by this vacuum. The stoppers are sealed with a thermo-adhesive and cannot be removed without destroying the stopper. There SHOULD be a needle hole in the stopper. Period. |
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Blood collection tubes are purged with nitrogen at the factory to remove oxygen and have the rubber stoppers sealed onto the neck in a low pressure environment. This makes the inside of the tube oxygen-free and under vacuum. When blood is collected in a clinic or hospital, the blood is sucked into the tube by this vacuum. The stoppers are sealed with a thermo-adhesive and cannot be removed without destroying the stopper. There SHOULD be a needle hole in the stopper. Period. View Quote Cool. So should the stryofoam box that contains the blood vial come with a cut "evidence" label? Link since imguir sucks a fat one: http://i.imgur.com/4H7Td35.jpg The box arrived in that condition at the defense attornies' office |
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Blood collection tubes are purged with nitrogen at the factory to remove oxygen and have the rubber stoppers sealed onto the neck in a low pressure environment. This makes the inside of the tube oxygen-free and under vacuum. When blood is collected in a clinic or hospital, the blood is sucked into the tube by this vacuum. The stoppers are sealed with a thermo-adhesive and cannot be removed without destroying the stopper. There SHOULD be a needle hole in the stopper. Period. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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But then the Defense found an old Avery blood sample that had been in evidence, but the seal had been broken, and a needle hole was seen in the rubber cap of the vial. The seal being broken is one thing, but a needle hole in the rubber tube stopper is nothing...how else do you think the blood actually got into the tube originally? Via the big hole when the stopper is removed? And....on top of that, With that much blood in the vial put in there by a needle where the tube is sealed by a rubber stopper and a perfect seal around the needle piercing the rubber, how would you fill a vial? You would quickly start compressing the air that was in the vial as you pressurize the air in the vial by forcibly adding the liquid, taking up room. You would eventually not be able to push the needle plunger down, the sample would have blown out back through the plunger seal or the vial would have blown the stopper off. I would think that they would have to , by physics alone, fill that vial with the stopper off. No need to pierce it, unless one wanted to extract it. Unless there was a reason and a documented chain of custody report for handling that sample at any time between the 18 years he was in prison the first time and then the time of the murder, I would lean towards tampering. Blood collection tubes are purged with nitrogen at the factory to remove oxygen and have the rubber stoppers sealed onto the neck in a low pressure environment. This makes the inside of the tube oxygen-free and under vacuum. When blood is collected in a clinic or hospital, the blood is sucked into the tube by this vacuum. The stoppers are sealed with a thermo-adhesive and cannot be removed without destroying the stopper. There SHOULD be a needle hole in the stopper. Period. Thank you for clearing that up. That makes sense. |
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Quoted: Cool. So should the stryofoam box that contains the blood vial come with a cut "evidence" label? Link since imguir sucks a fat one: http://i.imgur.com/4H7Td35.jpg The box arrived in that condition at the defense attornies' office View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Blood collection tubes are purged with nitrogen at the factory to remove oxygen and have the rubber stoppers sealed onto the neck in a low pressure environment. This makes the inside of the tube oxygen-free and under vacuum. When blood is collected in a clinic or hospital, the blood is sucked into the tube by this vacuum. The stoppers are sealed with a thermo-adhesive and cannot be removed without destroying the stopper. There SHOULD be a needle hole in the stopper. Period. Cool. So should the stryofoam box that contains the blood vial come with a cut "evidence" label? Link since imguir sucks a fat one: http://i.imgur.com/4H7Td35.jpg The box arrived in that condition at the defense attornies' office Yes. The contents had to be verified before being sent over. Unless you have x-ray vision you have to open the container to manifest the contents and put on the chain of custody. |
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Two episodes in and I'm convinced "Making a Murderer" is a Steven Avery fluff piece. This guy is guilty as hell and this show minimizes or omits everything he did prior to his first arrest. The man poured gas on a cat and threw it into a fire and it was a "cat incident". This entire post is one long, griping spoiler.
Steven Avery, the subject of the hit Netflix documentary “Making a Murderer,” is currently serving a life sentence for the gruesome killing of 25-year-old photographer Teresa Halbach, whose remains were found in a fire pit on his property in Wisconsin. What makes the documentary so fascinating — and hopefully you’re already aware of this — is that Avery had previously spent 18 years in prison for a crime he didn’t commit. The bulk of the un-narrated documentary focuses on what defense lawyers propose is questionable conduct by police and prosecutors, many of whom, we’re supposed to believe, framed Avery for the crime in an attempt to save their own reputations and the town from fiscal calamity. I was convinced of many things watching the 10-part series: I was convinced the criminal justice system and Manitowoc County were likely corrupt, and that many people in that office wanted to see Avery end up back in jail. I was convinced that I was being manipulated by directors Laura Ricciardi and Moira Demos (more on this later). I was definitely convinced that Avery was guilty of the murder. And, believe it or not, a viewer could believe all those things simultaneously. But I feel like I’m in the minority on this. There are now petitions on Change.org and WhiteHouse.gov asking for Obama to pardon Avery (he can’t) that have collected, as of this writing, more than 300,000 signatures. This is utterly absurd. The DNA evidence exonerating Avery for the rape of a jogger in 1985 did not make him incapable of committing murder (maybe it was his time in prison that transformed Avery into a killer; the documentary doesn’t tell us much about those 18 years in prison, though surely they were traumatic). Yet, it seems that many idealistic viewers want to transfer their anger about the initial miscarriage of justice — and a general distrust of the police — to the new case and use it as reasonable doubt, despite the preponderance of evidence. Here are some basic things we know right now: Parts of Halbach’s body were found burned in Avery’s fire pit. Evidence of Avery’s involvement was found inside his home. There is DNA evidence tying the bullet found in the Avery garage to Halbach. Avery was the last known person to see Halbach alive. Police found her car, with blood on it and in it, left on the Avery family’s lot. Avery’s high-school age cousin, Brendan Dassey, confessed that he had assisted his uncle in murder of Halbach.* Now, to believe Avery is innocent, a person must believe that an implausible number of conspiracies had been unfurled in the case: for starters, the placing of the car, the blood, the body, the keys, and all other evidence. The cover up would have included two DAs and a large group of cops in two police departments. And while it’s not improbable that some of those involved might be morally capable of setting up Avery, Dean Strang (now a sex symbol) and Jerome Buting offered no evidence that anyone had done so, only accusations. But beyond all that, here are just a few items that the producers of “Making a Murderer” decided to leave out that make the case less riveting and Avery more sympathetic: — Not only was the bullet found in the garage linked to Halbach’s DNA, but it was forensically tied to Avery’s gun as well. Seems like a pertinent thing for viewers to know. To believe Avery was innocent, you now have to believe that forensics specialists were in on the frame-up and lied about both the DNA and gun, or messed up both tests. — The criminal complaint claimed that authorities had found restraints — handcuffs and leg irons — at Avery’s residence. In 2006, Avery admitted to buying them so he could use them on his then-girlfriend. This alone doesn’t mean Avery is the killer of course, but it does lend credence to the description offered by Dassey and the police. We heard nothing about this during the show. — The infamous car key that was found in Avery’s residence had DNA of his sweat on it. So not only are we asked to believe the Manitowoc police department planted the keys in his trailer (and that the neighboring police force was either incompetent or complicit in the deception), but also that somehow the cops had extracted Avery’s perspiration and put it on the key. Another explanation might be that Avery handled the keys when dealing with Halbach, although he denies having ever seen them. Which bring up additional question: If Avery’s defenders are convinced that DNA from one pubic hair completely exonerates him in the rape case, why does DNA evidence in this case not prove his guilt? — Avery not only called Auto Trader and specifically requested Halbach to take pictures the day she was killed, but he also gave a false name when he did so. Why? And why would he, and the documentarians, fail to mention it? Avery then called Halbach’s cell phone three times the day she died, twice using *67 to obscure his identity. None of this proves his guilt, but all of these actions undermine the defense’s contention that Halbach was just someone that happened to come by that day for a job. It sounds like he wanted her to come by. None of this is mentioned in the documentary. — Not only was Avery’s blood — which we’re supposed to believe was planted by the police after being extracted from an evidence room — found in six places on Halbach’s vehicle, but DNA from his sweat was also found on a hood latch. How did it get there? Did the police have a vial of perspiration ready to go the day of the murder? — You’d also have to be gullible to believe that Avery was merely a flawed, but good-hearted victim of unfortunate circumstance once you learn more about his history. According to an Appleton Post Crescent article from 2006, Avery planned the fantasy torture and killing of a young woman while in prison. According to Ken Kratz at least, Avery also drew up plans for torture chambers while in prison. True? We don’t know. The documentary never mentions (or disproves) any of these accusations. The young Avery didn’t unintentionally set fire to a cat, as “Making a Murderer” suggests, but poured gasoline on the animal and then threw it into a bonfire, according the Associated Press. And Avery didn’t only threaten a female cousin at gunpoint, an incident the documentary portrays as the unfortunate actions of an immature teen, but is also alleged to have raped a young girl and threatened to kill her family if they spoke out, according another story in Post Crescent (paywalled). If we’re to believe Dassey’s conversations with police, Avery had also molested his cousins. “I even told them about Steven touching me,” Dassey explains to his mother after one of the interviews with police. Now, we don’t know if all or any of these accusations are true. But we do know that the documentary didn’t offer viewers the full picture of Avery’s purported behavior and ugly proclivities. Yet, the same filmmakers had no problem bringing up Kratz’s sexting scandal and other unpleasant tidbits about the prosecution and police, though they had nothing to do with the case itself. Why would Avery leave the keys in his room? Why would he leave the vehicle in his lot? Who would be that stupid? He had to be set up. I hear this defense often. Well, maybe Avery is not very bright. Maybe Avery didn’t have time to rid himself of the evidence. Who cares? Whether he was smart enough to mastermind a murder or whether he once faced an injustice of the system, doesn’t change the facts of this case. Maybe if I was on the jury I would see things differently. My judgement is made solely on the evidence available to me as a viewer. Maybe we’ll hear new evidence moving forward that changes all of this, but “Making a Murderer,” much like “Serial” before it, is a work of advocacy journalism. I’m not sure there is anything wrong with advocacy, as this is still a compelling look at the families of the victims and suspects and their experience in the American justice system, but we shouldn’t pretend that it’s something else. *For me the matter of Dassey’s confession was the most problematic part of the case. The police interviews with him were almost unwatchable at times. The detectives’ questioning of Dassey (and describing what they did as “questioning” is far too charitable) without an attorney or family member present, despite the kid’s obviously low IQ, was abuse. Kratz’s press conference misrepresenting the tenor and outcome of that confession was nothing more than a lie. Yet, it needs to be pointed out that Dassey’s confession was far more specific than his other stories and comported with evidence that turned up. View Quote Link View Quote Give it 6-8 more hours of watching |
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Quoted: this do I think avery did it? most likely did the state prove it? hell fucking no did the police tamper or plant shit? oh hell fucking yes View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: he did it. In the garage? Where there was ZERO of Halbach's DNA present? And she was raped and had her throat cut in his trailer? Where there was ZERO of Halbach's DNA present? Those two retards scrubbed a garage and trailer of 100% of a cut/shot victim's DNA yet didn't bother to crush the Rav4 and didn't bother to completely incinerate her in the kiln? Really? The key they found in the trailer had his DNA on it but not hers? How the fuck does that happen? Beyond a shadow of a doubt means just that. lol I assume you are kidding, but that garage looked anything but "scrubbed." There's no way those dumb asses could have scrubbed thousands of square inches of surface area on all the tools and boxes in that garage without missing something. The investigators even busted up the concrete crack in the garage floor expecting to find her blood in it... Nope. this do I think avery did it? most likely did the state prove it? hell fucking no did the police tamper or plant shit? oh hell fucking yes This is where I'm at as well. |
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Doesn't matter if he's guilty, what matters if the state produced evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. They did not, and the amount of BS and shenanigans was appalling.
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Cat thing and all the other stuff, the guy's clearly a piece of shit. Still, I have a hard time believing he's so dumb that he would kill someone who people know is coming to his place, and leave her car and remains on the family property, but be skilled and smart enough to somehow scrub all the DNA away without leaving evidence of having done so.
Not to mention he'd spent a shit ton of time in jail and had a big settlement over being wrongfully imprisoned, so he had pretty much no motive to go murder someone right away. The police work is shady as fuck too. I can't say for sure about him being guilty or not, but it's obvious that that investigation and trial stinks to high heaven. And what's up with the way they questioned the kid, and that his lawyer basically served him up to the cops. It's clear that kid is mentally retarded or very close to. Pretty unconscionable that they were allowed to just have their way with someone who can barely think for themself. At the very least, I can say this guy deserves a new trial. |
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Doesn't matter if he's guilty, what matters if the state produced evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. They did not, and the amount of BS and shenanigans was appalling. You fail at civics. View Quote Haven't gotten to watch it yet, but will after seeing this thread. It sounds like the PD had 36 million reasons to try and frame him up for something and managed to succeed in doing so. They shouldn't have been allowed anywhere near the investigation. |
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he did it. View Quote I believe he did it but if on the jury i would let him off because the prosecution did not prove beyond a reasonable doubt. The sheriffs office really fucked up that investigation. To many holes. Like why the sheriff called in the licences plate 3 days before the car was found. Why some of her bones was found at the quarry. Why the same people who Avery was personally sueing kept finding evidence after the FBI searched the location for two weeks. Why in the hell there is 0 blood or DNA in the house or garage. Why Her blood was in the trunk if she was burns 25ft from the kill site. There is a part of me that thinks the cops found her in the truck at the quarry and planted it on him. |
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I watched and I think he is probably guilty. My problems are:
1. The key. you will never be able to convince me it was not planted. 2. The burned remains being moved to the found site, not where she was burned. 3. The cop who called the tag two days previous to the car being found 4.The investigator being there, that was not supposed to be there, and lied. 5. The nephew wasn't smart enough to know he was railroaded and his lawyer throwing him under the bus. That bastard needs to lose his ability to practice law. 6. The ex boyfriend wierded me out and HE was in charge of the search? HE sent the two ladies to the junk yard with a camera? He guessed her passwords and deleted "some" things I think they wanted a solid case and tampered with evidence. I know that what is presented in court cannot always make a straight line, but man there serious matters with this case. |
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One thing I dont get is the first vote was 7 not guilty, 3 guilty and 2 undecided. The 3 guilty people just keep fight and fighting till the Not guilty people changed their votes. I dont care how long id have to stay there i would not change my vote.
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When he told his fiancé he wanted to move after it all blew over, which fortunately didn't happen, the first place I thought was Florida. Guaranteed they would have come here.
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One thing I dont get is the first vote was 7 not guilty, 3 guilty and 2 undecided. The 3 guilty people just keep fight and fighting till the Not guilty people changed their votes. I dont care how long id have to stay there i would not change my vote. View Quote Exactly, think about that, you really think that 3 jurors just kept hammering away and badgering 9 grown adults and convinced them to change there vote if they felt there was reasonable doubt.??? at least one if not more would have stuck to there guns and it would have been a hung jury and a mistrial. |
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One thing I dont get is the first vote was 7 not guilty, 3 guilty and 2 undecided. The 3 guilty people just keep fight and fighting till the Not guilty people changed their votes. I dont care how long id have to stay there i would not change my vote. Take this with a grain of salt..... A relative of mine said that he read online that there's rumor's that 1 of the jurors was a volunteer police officer with the Manitowoc PD. There's a part of the documentary that actually relates to this and gives this some real possibility. The 1 juror who was released from duty because he had a verified family emergency, was interviewed multiple times in the documentary. He said that there were 1 or 2 jurors who were controlling, even calling them "intimidating," who had their minds made up and wouldn't budge from assuming Avery was guilty before the trial was even over. It does seem very possible, especially considering the size of the town and the close relationships, that one of those jurors would be affiliated with the PD and would do everything they could to ensure there was a guilty verdict. ETA: Apparently true. NY Daily News wrote a story about it. One of Steven Avery’s jurors on his famous “Making a Murderer” trial was a Manitowoc County Sheriff volunteer, with a son who served as a sergeant, court records revealed.
A volunteer for the Manitowoc sheriffs, the same department Avery was suing for wrongful imprisonment, was one of the jurors that put the convicted killer behind bars, OnMilwaukee reported. Carl Wardman was confirmed to be a sheriff’s volunteer and a jury during the 2007 trial, Sheriff Robert Hermann said. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/making-murderer-juror-ties-manitowoc-sheriffs-article-1.2489520 |
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The only people I know who think he is innocent are liberal, guns hating, fucksticks.
It's pretty much a litmus test for idiots. |
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Been watching it with my GF.
Don't give a fuck either way, that whole town should be in prison. |
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Either way, this show is an interesting example of how the masses can be swayed by having selective facts slid down their feeding tube.
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I saw it on a TV show, so it must to be true! All this show is, is a reality TV, and you know how real they are. Take it for what it is, Entertainment! |
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Finished the series last night. Still guilty. Fuck both of them. Read the transcripts of that kid's testimony
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This is all I need to know: https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/3y9ulo/transcript_of_brendan_dassey_phone_call_to_mother/
Excerpts from Brendan's phone call to his mother from jail, the entire transcript is at the link. M. What all happened, what are you talking about? B. About what Me & Steven did that day, M. So did you talk to her family? B. No M. Huh B. They just asked me if I wanted to say something to them, on the tape. M. Did you? B. Just that I was sorry for what I did. M. Did he make you do this? B. Ya. M. Then why didn't you tell him that. B. Tell him what? M. That Steven made you do it. You know he made you do a lot of things. M. Why didn't you come to me, because then he would have been gone then and this wouldn't have happened. B. Ya M. Yes, and you would still be here with me. B. Yes, Well you know I did it. M. What about when I got home at 5:00 you were here, B. Ya M. Ya. When did you go over there? B. I went over there earlier and then came home before you did. M. Why didn't you say something to me then? B. I dunno, I was too scared. M. You wouldn't have had to been scared because I would have called 911, and you wouldn't be going back over there. If you would have been here, maybe she would have been alive yet. So in those statements you did all that to her too? B. Some of it. M, Did he make you do it? B. Ya. That is an un-coerced confession, to his mother. he places himself at the scene and he admits that he and Avery did it. Fuck em both, they are guilty. the rest doesn't matter at all. |
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This is all I need to know: https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/3y9ulo/transcript_of_brendan_dassey_phone_call_to_mother/ Excerpts from Brendan's phone call to his mother from jail, the entire transcript is at the link. M. What all happened, what are you talking about? B. About what Me & Steven did that day, M. So did you talk to her family? B. No M. Huh B. They just asked me if I wanted to say something to them, on the tape. M. Did you? B. Just that I was sorry for what I did. M. Did he make you do this? B. Ya. M. Then why didn't you tell him that. B. Tell him what? M. That Steven made you do it. You know he made you do a lot of things. M. Why didn't you come to me, because then he would have been gone then and this wouldn't have happened. B. Ya M. Yes, and you would still be here with me. B. Yes, Well you know I did it. M. What about when I got home at 5:00 you were here, B. Ya M. Ya. When did you go over there? B. I went over there earlier and then came home before you did. M. Why didn't you say something to me then? B. I dunno, I was too scared. M. You wouldn't have had to been scared because I would have called 911, and you wouldn't be going back over there. If you would have been here, maybe she would have been alive yet. So in those statements you did all that to her too? B. Some of it. M, Did he make you do it? B. Ya. That is an un-coerced confession, to his mother. he places himself at the scene and he admits that he and Avery did it. Fuck em both, they are guilty. the rest doesn't matter at all. View Quote So, where did it occur? You believe Dassey was telling his mother that he did the acts exactly as he told the cops. She was raped and her throat was cut in the bed? Fucking bullshit with no evidence. NONE. The sheriff didn't even have the bedding tested. Did they shoot her in that junky ass garage? Cover it with plastic like a Dexter clean room? Why didn't Brandon say any of that? Because it's bullshit. Believe he's guilty if you want, and I'm suspicious as well. However it did NOT go down the way the prosecution said it did, or that Brendon confessed to. The cops had the wrong theory of the crime from the beginning fed to them by a low functioning adolescent. They fit what little evidence they had to the crime they thought happened. It should have backfired with a not guilty, and THAT'S the failing of our justice system. |
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Why be the special snowflake and start this thread when there is a huge thread on the first page?
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So, where did it occur? You believe Dassey was telling his mother that he did the acts exactly as he told the cops. She was raped and her throat was cut in the bed? Fucking bullshit with no evidence. NONE. The sheriff didn't even have the bedding tested. Did they shoot her in that junky ass garage? Cover it with plastic like a Dexter clean room? Why didn't Brandon say any of that? Because it's bullshit. Believe he's guilty if you want, and I'm suspicious as well. However it did NOT go down the way the prosecution said it did, or that Brendon confessed to. The cops had the wrong theory of the crime from the beginning fed to them by a low functioning adolescent. They fit what little evidence they had to the crime they thought happened. It should have backfired with a not guilty, and THAT'S the failing of our justice system. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This is all I need to know: https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/3y9ulo/transcript_of_brendan_dassey_phone_call_to_mother/ Excerpts from Brendan's phone call to his mother from jail, the entire transcript is at the link. M. What all happened, what are you talking about? B. About what Me & Steven did that day, M. So did you talk to her family? B. No M. Huh B. They just asked me if I wanted to say something to them, on the tape. M. Did you? B. Just that I was sorry for what I did. M. Did he make you do this? B. Ya. M. Then why didn't you tell him that. B. Tell him what? M. That Steven made you do it. You know he made you do a lot of things. M. Why didn't you come to me, because then he would have been gone then and this wouldn't have happened. B. Ya M. Yes, and you would still be here with me. B. Yes, Well you know I did it. M. What about when I got home at 5:00 you were here, B. Ya M. Ya. When did you go over there? B. I went over there earlier and then came home before you did. M. Why didn't you say something to me then? B. I dunno, I was too scared. M. You wouldn't have had to been scared because I would have called 911, and you wouldn't be going back over there. If you would have been here, maybe she would have been alive yet. So in those statements you did all that to her too? B. Some of it. M, Did he make you do it? B. Ya. That is an un-coerced confession, to his mother. he places himself at the scene and he admits that he and Avery did it. Fuck em both, they are guilty. the rest doesn't matter at all. So, where did it occur? You believe Dassey was telling his mother that he did the acts exactly as he told the cops. She was raped and her throat was cut in the bed? Fucking bullshit with no evidence. NONE. The sheriff didn't even have the bedding tested. Did they shoot her in that junky ass garage? Cover it with plastic like a Dexter clean room? Why didn't Brandon say any of that? Because it's bullshit. Believe he's guilty if you want, and I'm suspicious as well. However it did NOT go down the way the prosecution said it did, or that Brendon confessed to. The cops had the wrong theory of the crime from the beginning fed to them by a low functioning adolescent. They fit what little evidence they had to the crime they thought happened. It should have backfired with a not guilty, and THAT'S the failing of our justice system. LOL, he admitted that he did it, with Avery. I have never said the cops and DA were not corrupt. That is a whole different story. They need to prosecuted as well. That does not negate the fact that they did it. |
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LOL, he admitted that he did it, with Avery. I have never said the cops and DA were not corrupt. That is a whole different story. They need to prosecuted as well. That does not negate the fact that they did it. View Quote We all know he confessed after being coached. I don't know why you think that transcript is some sort of smoking gun. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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I finished it last week and started re-watching it again to see what I missed. At this point I am fairly convinced of three things: One, Steven Avery did it. Two, The police, knowing that he did it, tampered with, and downright planted evidence to make their case stronger which, in reality, nearly cast enough reasonable doubt for him to walk. Three, the nephew got railroaded. Hard. I'm indifferent to Avery getting a new trial. The kid, should be released immediately pending a new trial somewhere, anywhere, other than Wisconsin. View Quote Pretty much all of this. I don't think Avery is innocent, but I don't think he got a fair trial. |
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LOL, he admitted that he did it, with Avery. I have never said the cops and DA were not corrupt. That is a whole different story. They need to prosecuted as well. That does not negate the fact that they did it. We all know he confessed after being coached. I don't know why you think that transcript is some sort of smoking gun. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Are you retarded? That is him confessing to his mother on the phone, not an interview by police. |
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Finished the series last night. Still guilty. Fuck both of them. Read the transcripts of that kid's testimony View Quote He told the same story about him playing playstation like 3 times around the time this murder apparently took place. I think he was telling the truth that. However, the investigators were able to manipulate him when that story didn't match their narrative. I feel sorry for the kid. He had a lawyer that wasn't representing him and the judge sided with the lawyer in one instance. |
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LOL, he admitted that he did it, with Avery. I have never said the cops and DA were not corrupt. That is a whole different story. They need to prosecuted as well. That does not negate the fact that they did it. We all know he confessed after being coached. I don't know why you think that transcript is some sort of smoking gun. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Are you retarded? That is him confessing to his mother on the phone, not an interview by police. Which is still after they had coached him into confessing. How would she know about any statements if it was before? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Quoted: Are you retarded? That is him confessing to his mother on the phone, not an interview by police. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: LOL, he admitted that he did it, with Avery. I have never said the cops and DA were not corrupt. That is a whole different story. They need to prosecuted as well. That does not negate the fact that they did it. We all know he confessed after being coached. I don't know why you think that transcript is some sort of smoking gun. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Are you retarded? That is him confessing to his mother on the phone, not an interview by police. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN-4qFhRttE Skip to 2:05:30 |
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LOL, he admitted that he did it, with Avery. I have never said the cops and DA were not corrupt. That is a whole different story. They need to prosecuted as well. That does not negate the fact that they did it. We all know he confessed after being coached. I don't know why you think that transcript is some sort of smoking gun. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Are you retarded? That is him confessing to his mother on the phone, not an interview by police. He "confessed" to a crime that absolutely was not possibly committed in the manner that he admitted to. I could confess that I rode a dinosaur back in time to shoot JFK and it wouldn't make it true. Essentially the only part of the confession you believe is "I did it with Steven." Clearly the rest was nonsense. |
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LOL, he admitted that he did it, with Avery. I have never said the cops and DA were not corrupt. That is a whole different story. They need to prosecuted as well. That does not negate the fact that they did it. We all know he confessed after being coached. I don't know why you think that transcript is some sort of smoking gun. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Are you retarded? That is him confessing to his mother on the phone, not an interview by police. Which is still after they had coached him into confessing. How would she know about any statements if it was before? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile , He called his mother and told her he did it. |
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LOL, he admitted that he did it, with Avery. I have never said the cops and DA were not corrupt. That is a whole different story. They need to prosecuted as well. That does not negate the fact that they did it. We all know he confessed after being coached. I don't know why you think that transcript is some sort of smoking gun. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Are you retarded? That is him confessing to his mother on the phone, not an interview by police. He also told her he didn't have anything to do with it multiple times, what's your point? |
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LOL, he admitted that he did it, with Avery. I have never said the cops and DA were not corrupt. That is a whole different story. They need to prosecuted as well. That does not negate the fact that they did it. We all know he confessed after being coached. I don't know why you think that transcript is some sort of smoking gun. Are you retarded? That is him confessing to his mother on the phone, not an interview by police. Which is still after they had coached him into confessing. How would she know about any statements if it was before? , He called his mother and told her he did it. See the video in the post above. They coached him into doing that as well. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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But then the Defense found an old Avery blood sample that had been in evidence, but the seal had been broken, and a needle hole was seen in the rubber cap of the vial. The seal being broken is one thing, but a needle hole in the rubber tube stopper is nothing...how else do you think the blood actually got into the tube originally? When I get a blood sample, they stick a needle into me, and then attach the vials. I'm not sure if a needle punches the vial, but it sure looks like some other method is used. |
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