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Link Posted: 8/28/2017 3:32:19 PM EST
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Getting boinked on the bumper with a stick doesn't justify going batshit full speed ahead into a crowd of people. If he was surrounded and getting his car smashed, or someone was shooting at him, and he just stomped on the gas in a panic and ran over a bunch of other people I could maybe buy it. I suppose he could claim he fled because he was being attacked after the initial ram, but the first attack going forwards seems impossible to defend based on the wack on the car's ass.
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If you were just driving down the road and suddenly you heard a loud smack on your car then sure.

If you'd already been attacked one or more times previously and were understandably on edge because of that, it might affect your reaction a bit.

His actions were not consistent with a deliberate attack, he could have inflicted far more severe casualties but he didn't. So either he's the world's worst terrorist, which seems to be the media's opinion, or he wasn't actually aiming to kill people.
Getting boinked on the bumper with a stick doesn't justify going batshit full speed ahead into a crowd of people. If he was surrounded and getting his car smashed, or someone was shooting at him, and he just stomped on the gas in a panic and ran over a bunch of other people I could maybe buy it. I suppose he could claim he fled because he was being attacked after the initial ram, but the first attack going forwards seems impossible to defend based on the wack on the car's ass.
We have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight and watching the video from outside the car. The question that matters is what did he know at the time and did he believe he was in danger.
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Link Posted: 8/28/2017 3:45:00 PM EST
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I agree, but I don't see how that stick to the bumper gets him anywhere on a self defense/emergency claim. I'd love to know if he gave a statement to the police.
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We have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight and watching the video from outside the car. The question that matters is what did he know at the time and did he believe he was in danger.
I agree, but I don't see how that stick to the bumper gets him anywhere on a self defense/emergency claim. I'd love to know if he gave a statement to the police.
Initially when the police picked him up they didnt believe it was deliberate, for whatever that's worth. I assume that's based on his demeanor and what he may have said but nobody has released what that was.
Link Posted: 8/28/2017 3:45:27 PM EST
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I'm asking because I don't know: What does the symbol on the shield that James Fields Jr. mean? I recognize the one on the far right as being associated with Daily Stormer.

ETA: Fields is in the middle.

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I'm asking because I don't know: What does the symbol on the shield that James Fields Jr. mean? I recognize the one on the far right as being associated with Daily Stormer.

ETA: Fields is in the middle.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/185296/James_Fields_Jr-292751.JPG
You serious, Clark? Those are fasces.

The image has survived in the modern world as a representation of magisterial or collective power, law and governance. The fasces frequently occurs as a charge in heraldry, it is present on an older design of the Mercury dime and behind the podium in the United States House of Representatives, it is used as the symbol of a number of Italian syndicalist groups, including the Unione Sindacale Italiana, and it was the origin of the name of the National Fascist Party in Italy (from which the term fascism is derived).
Link Posted: 8/28/2017 3:48:03 PM EST
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If you were just driving down the road and suddenly you heard a loud smack on your car then sure.

If you'd already been attacked one or more times previously and were understandably on edge because of that, it might affect your reaction a bit.

His actions were not consistent with a deliberate attack, he could have inflicted far more severe casualties but he didn't. So either he's the world's worst terrorist, which seems to be the media's opinion, or he wasn't actually aiming to kill people.
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Shoebomber tried to light his shoe on fire right in his seat instead of just going to the bathroom.

If you go to the side-walk, you're also going to hit a utility pole, etc.
Link Posted: 8/28/2017 3:48:53 PM EST
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I'm asking because I don't know: What does the symbol on the shield that James Fields Jr. mean? I recognize the one on the far right as being associated with Daily Stormer.

ETA: Fields is in the middle.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/185296/James_Fields_Jr-292751.JPG
You serious, Clark? Those are fasces.

The image has survived in the modern world as a representation of magisterial or collective power, law and governance. The fasces frequently occurs as a charge in heraldry, it is present on an older design of the Mercury dime and behind the podium in the United States House of Representatives, it is used as the symbol of a number of Italian syndicalist groups, including the Unione Sindacale Italiana, and it was the origin of the name of the National Fascist Party in Italy (from which the term fascism is derived).
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Fasces.svg/2000px-Fasces.svg.png
For real. Symbology isn't my specialty.  Thank you for the knowledge!
Link Posted: 8/28/2017 4:32:13 PM EST
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You serious, Clark? Those are fasces.

The image has survived in the modern world as a representation of magisterial or collective power, law and governance. The fasces frequently occurs as a charge in heraldry, it is present on an older design of the Mercury dime and behind the podium in the United States House of Representatives, it is used as the symbol of a number of Italian syndicalist groups, including the Unione Sindacale Italiana, and it was the origin of the name of the National Fascist Party in Italy (from which the term fascism is derived).

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Side Note: the Sergeant at Arms of the US House of Representatives is authorized to grab the fasces from behind the podium and stand with it in between any two (or more, I suppose) Representatives who get into a verbal altercation.  Kinda like the cooling rods in a nuclear reactor.  Which sucks, because I'd like to see Representatives throwing down on pay-per-view more often, like maybe Trey Gowdy going Chuck Norris on Nancy Pelosi...
Link Posted: 8/28/2017 4:35:22 PM EST
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Side Note: the Sergeant at Arms of the US House of Representatives is authorized to grab the fasces from behind the podium and stand with it in between any two (or more, I suppose) Representatives who get into a verbal altercation.  Kinda like the cooling rods in a nuclear reactor.  Which sucks, because I'd like to see Representatives throwing down on pay-per-view more often, like maybe Trey Gowdy going Chuck Norris on Nancy Pelosi...
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You serious, Clark? Those are fasces.

The image has survived in the modern world as a representation of magisterial or collective power, law and governance. The fasces frequently occurs as a charge in heraldry, it is present on an older design of the Mercury dime and behind the podium in the United States House of Representatives, it is used as the symbol of a number of Italian syndicalist groups, including the Unione Sindacale Italiana, and it was the origin of the name of the National Fascist Party in Italy (from which the term fascism is derived).

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Fasces.svg/2000px-Fasces.svg.png
Side Note: the Sergeant at Arms of the US House of Representatives is authorized to grab the fasces from behind the podium and stand with it in between any two (or more, I suppose) Representatives who get into a verbal altercation.  Kinda like the cooling rods in a nuclear reactor.  Which sucks, because I'd like to see Representatives throwing down on pay-per-view more often, like maybe Trey Gowdy going Chuck Norris on Nancy Pelosi...
In the old days they shot each other.

Sometimes the old ways are the best ways.
Link Posted: 8/28/2017 4:42:38 PM EST
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In the old days they shot each other.

Sometimes the old ways are the best ways.
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You serious, Clark? Those are fasces.

The image has survived in the modern world as a representation of magisterial or collective power, law and governance. The fasces frequently occurs as a charge in heraldry, it is present on an older design of the Mercury dime and behind the podium in the United States House of Representatives, it is used as the symbol of a number of Italian syndicalist groups, including the Unione Sindacale Italiana, and it was the origin of the name of the National Fascist Party in Italy (from which the term fascism is derived).

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Fasces.svg/2000px-Fasces.svg.png
Side Note: the Sergeant at Arms of the US House of Representatives is authorized to grab the fasces from behind the podium and stand with it in between any two (or more, I suppose) Representatives who get into a verbal altercation.  Kinda like the cooling rods in a nuclear reactor.  Which sucks, because I'd like to see Representatives throwing down on pay-per-view more often, like maybe Trey Gowdy going Chuck Norris on Nancy Pelosi...
In the old days they shot each other.

Sometimes the old ways are the best ways.
In duels maybe, but on the House floor?
Link Posted: 8/28/2017 4:43:00 PM EST
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I second the motion, return to our roots and allow blading at 45
Link Posted: 8/28/2017 4:44:42 PM EST
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In duels maybe, but on the House floor?
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You serious, Clark? Those are fasces.

The image has survived in the modern world as a representation of magisterial or collective power, law and governance. The fasces frequently occurs as a charge in heraldry, it is present on an older design of the Mercury dime and behind the podium in the United States House of Representatives, it is used as the symbol of a number of Italian syndicalist groups, including the Unione Sindacale Italiana, and it was the origin of the name of the National Fascist Party in Italy (from which the term fascism is derived).

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Fasces.svg/2000px-Fasces.svg.png
Side Note: the Sergeant at Arms of the US House of Representatives is authorized to grab the fasces from behind the podium and stand with it in between any two (or more, I suppose) Representatives who get into a verbal altercation.  Kinda like the cooling rods in a nuclear reactor.  Which sucks, because I'd like to see Representatives throwing down on pay-per-view more often, like maybe Trey Gowdy going Chuck Norris on Nancy Pelosi...
In the old days they shot each other.

Sometimes the old ways are the best ways.
In duels maybe, but on the House floor?
Well, not on the House floor no.

This isn't Nam, we have rules.
Link Posted: 8/28/2017 4:53:22 PM EST
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Polo shirts and chinos are kind of an "alt right" uniform for these events.
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WHAT! I've worn that for a while, dammit. It's like commies adopting collar button shirts.
Link Posted: 8/28/2017 4:54:45 PM EST
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In duels maybe, but on the House floor?
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You serious, Clark? Those are fasces.
The image has survived in the modern world as a representation of magisterial or collective power, law and governance. The fasces frequently occurs as a charge in heraldry, it is present on an older design of the Mercury dime and behind the podium in the United States House of Representatives, it is used as the symbol of a number of Italian syndicalist groups, including the Unione Sindacale Italiana, and it was the origin of the name of the National Fascist Party in Italy (from which the term fascism is derived).
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Fasces.svg/2000px-Fasces.svg.png" target="_blank">https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Fasces.svg/2000px-Fasces.svg.png
Side Note: the Sergeant at Arms of the US House of Representatives is authorized to grab the fasces from behind the podium and stand with it in between any two (or more, I suppose) Representatives who get into a verbal altercation.  Kinda like the cooling rods in a nuclear reactor.  Which sucks, because I'd like to see Representatives throwing down on pay-per-view more often, like maybe Trey Gowdy going Chuck Norris on Nancy Pelosi...
In the old days they shot each other.
Sometimes the old ways are the best ways.
In duels maybe, but on the House floor?
I'd settle for a good caning.

Link Posted: 8/28/2017 5:16:43 PM EST
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Seems easy to me.

He's surrounded by a threatening crowd and hears a loud noise from someone hitting the car.
Link Posted: 8/28/2017 5:24:21 PM EST
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I love seeing idiots of all stripes spew what they spew...because then I can see them clearly for exactly what they are.

They will go to the "dark web" and it will be even more 'cool' and 'edgy' for these guys.  

Good move Google, SJW's.

That being said...this shit is funny, I don't care who you are.

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Pretty much.  Sunshine is always the best disinfectant.
Link Posted: 8/28/2017 5:27:59 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/28/2017 6:10:08 PM EST
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I've seen those in quite a few federal court rooms as well- the older more ornate ones pretty much always have them in the decor.
Link Posted: 8/28/2017 6:16:49 PM EST
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He wasn't surrounded by anyone when the guy hit his car. Come on now. And that made him accellerate into a crowd of people a block away?
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Seems easy to me.

He's surrounded by a threatening crowd and hears a loud noise from someone hitting the car.
He wasn't surrounded by anyone when the guy hit his car. Come on now. And that made him accellerate into a crowd of people a block away?
Cognitive dissonance.
Link Posted: 8/28/2017 6:57:50 PM EST
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Getting boinked on the bumper with a stick doesn't justify going batshit full speed ahead into a crowd of people. If he was surrounded and getting his car smashed, or someone was shooting at him, and he just stomped on the gas in a panic and ran over a bunch of other people I could maybe buy it. I suppose he could claim he fled because he was being attacked after the initial ram, but the first attack going forwards seems impossible to defend based on the wack on the car's ass.
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If you were just driving down the road and suddenly you heard a loud smack on your car then sure.

If you'd already been attacked one or more times previously and were understandably on edge because of that, it might affect your reaction a bit.

His actions were not consistent with a deliberate attack, he could have inflicted far more severe casualties but he didn't. So either he's the world's worst terrorist, which seems to be the media's opinion, or he wasn't actually aiming to kill people.
Getting boinked on the bumper with a stick doesn't justify going batshit full speed ahead into a crowd of people. If he was surrounded and getting his car smashed, or someone was shooting at him, and he just stomped on the gas in a panic and ran over a bunch of other people I could maybe buy it. I suppose he could claim he fled because he was being attacked after the initial ram, but the first attack going forwards seems impossible to defend based on the wack on the car's ass.
How much horsepower does that car have, and how fast does it accelerate?   I could see a relatively new driver who's foot was already resting on the gas pedal pushing it hard when startled.  I've seen it happen in other cases.  How many times have you heard of people nailing the gas in a parking lot and driving into a building?   It appears to me he was foolish and in the wrong place.  I'm just not ready to convict him of anything w/o real proof yet.
Link Posted: 8/28/2017 7:14:03 PM EST
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So... let me see if I understand - Stormfront was hit by a Challenger and disappeared?
Link Posted: 8/28/2017 7:55:58 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/28/2017 8:23:08 PM EST
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For real. Symbology isn't my specialty.  Thank you for the knowledge!
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I'm asking because I don't know: What does the symbol on the shield that James Fields Jr. mean? I recognize the one on the far right as being associated with Daily Stormer.

ETA: Fields is in the middle.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/185296/James_Fields_Jr-292751.JPG
You serious, Clark? Those are fasces.

The image has survived in the modern world as a representation of magisterial or collective power, law and governance. The fasces frequently occurs as a charge in heraldry, it is present on an older design of the Mercury dime and behind the podium in the United States House of Representatives, it is used as the symbol of a number of Italian syndicalist groups, including the Unione Sindacale Italiana, and it was the origin of the name of the National Fascist Party in Italy (from which the term fascism is derived).
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Fasces.svg/2000px-Fasces.svg.png
For real. Symbology isn't my specialty.  Thank you for the knowledge!
Also, the one on the far right, is the black sun. It was an occult symbol used by Thule Society. A group that is often cited as having influenced some of the people that formed the original nazi party.
Link Posted: 8/28/2017 8:45:41 PM EST
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This is absolutely a 1st amendment issue. There are only a handful of registrars, and they are sanctioned by the state. It's not like a host, where you can just go to another easily.

Go ahead and laugh at Stormfront and the Daily Stormer today. ARFCOM is next. Maybe not this year or next, but it's coming.
Link Posted: 8/28/2017 9:13:36 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/28/2017 11:04:38 PM EST
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The problem is the registrars are private and therefore Stormfront has no constitutional claim. Obviously a private entity being able to "disappear" a site is a free speech issue.
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This is absolutely a 1st amendment issue. There are only a handful of registrars, and they are sanctioned by the state. It's not like a host, where you can just go to another easily.

Go ahead and laugh at Stormfront and the Daily Stormer today. ARFCOM is next. Maybe not this year or next, but it's coming.
The problem is the registrars are private and therefore Stormfront has no constitutional claim. Obviously a private entity being able to "disappear" a site is a free speech issue.
Do the 88s have any legal recourse here, or are they essentially hosed?
Link Posted: 8/28/2017 11:16:52 PM EST
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The problem is the registrars are private and therefore Stormfront has no constitutional claim. Obviously a private entity being able to "disappear" a site is a free speech issue.
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This is absolutely a 1st amendment issue. There are only a handful of registrars, and they are sanctioned by the state. It's not like a host, where you can just go to another easily.

Go ahead and laugh at Stormfront and the Daily Stormer today. ARFCOM is next. Maybe not this year or next, but it's coming.
The problem is the registrars are private and therefore Stormfront has no constitutional claim. Obviously a private entity being able to "disappear" a site is a free speech issue.
You don't think an argument can be made that the Internet is the new "town commons" and the primary location for peoples opinions to be heard?
Link Posted: 8/29/2017 1:00:52 AM EST
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You don't think an argument can be made that the Internet is the new "town commons" and the primary location for peoples opinions to be heard?
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I think the answer will be something like "nobody is preventing them from getting to the Internet," with the Internet itself being interpreted as the town square. The argument will be that the 88s can access the Internet/town square all they want, but the landlord won't rent them a space where they can operate the social club they want to open within city limits, even though ANTIFA, BLM, et al are operating similar clubs leased from the same landlord.
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I think the answer will be something like "nobody is preventing them from getting to the Internet," with the Internet itself being interpreted as the town square. The argument will be that the 88s can access the Internet/town square all they want, but the landlord won't rent them a space where they can operate the social club they want to open within city limits, even though ANTIFA, BLM, et al are operating similar clubs leased from the same landlord.
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I imagine it will be quite a while before a targeted case comes before an appeals court/SCOTUS which is chosen by the judges/justices to determine whether the inability of someone to create a private internet makes the existing internet a "public" entity or whether there are going to be relaxations on regulations to create your "own" internet. It'll get messy real quick if it's decided that anyone can hang wires around/through/to-the-next town. It gets messy real quick if you decide that "the internet" is a "public space".
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So someone hit his bumper with a stick, he rammed a shitload of people in self defense over one guy hitting his bumper, who was behind him, and then after killing a girl and wounding a bunch of other people he got his windows broken, so it was self defense.

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Haven't you ever heard of the old common law principle that if you're frightened, one can engage in a death circle against anyone within 25meters, as the crow flies.

Link Posted: 8/29/2017 2:49:32 AM EST
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Of course you are right, but the courts probably cannot force the registrars to put Stormfront back because they are private entities 
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This is absolutely a 1st amendment issue. There are only a handful of registrars, and they are sanctioned by the state. It's not like a host, where you can just go to another easily.

Go ahead and laugh at Stormfront and the Daily Stormer today. ARFCOM is next. Maybe not this year or next, but it's coming.
The problem is the registrars are private and therefore Stormfront has no constitutional claim. Obviously a private entity being able to "disappear" a site is a free speech issue.
You don't think an argument can be made that the Internet is the new "town commons" and the primary location for peoples opinions to be heard?
Of course you are right, but the courts probably cannot force the registrars to put Stormfront back because they are private entities 
How about an argument that they are engaging in collusion or functioning as an effective monopoly to deny service?

I don't see how it can morally or legally justifiable in forcing a private entity to bake a cake or provide a service for one group of people but denying a platform for an unpopular (wrong) opinion for another.

But I'm an absolutist like that, either a private entity has a right to deny service to anyone for any reason or doesn't.
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I've seen those in quite a few federal court rooms as well- the older more ornate ones pretty much always have them in the decor.
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  Tear them down!
   Tear them down!
     Tear them down!

  The phrase E pluribus unum also needs banned as it is cryptofacist.
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Haven't you ever heard of the old common law principle that if you're frightened, one can engage in a death circle against anyone within 25meters, as the crow flies.

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WTF is THAT from?
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You're kidding? That's sonny something or other, an "ak expert" until he accidentally shot his assistant instructor. That was supposedly some Soviet foolishness
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You're kidding? That's sonny something or other, an "ak expert" until he accidentally shot his assistant instructor. That was supposedly some Soviet foolishness
In Soviet Russia, death blossoms YOU!
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