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Posted: 2/28/2023 7:55:10 PM EST
[#1]
I’m pretty sure everyone knows to whom those aircraft belong
Is this kind of like having a gender neutral airplane? |
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Posted: 2/28/2023 7:56:23 PM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m pretty sure everyone knows to whom those aircraft belong Is this kind of like having a gender neutral airplane? That, but tin foil saying they're planning some roundabout flights to Poland and trying for an incident. |
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Posted: 2/28/2023 7:57:58 PM EST
[#3]
Hard to track units or numbers of aircraft without markings. Good idea but curious..
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Posted: 2/28/2023 7:58:22 PM EST
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Posted: 2/28/2023 7:58:59 PM EST
[#5]
It's similar to traveling the world and putting a Canadian flag on your back pack.
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Posted: 2/28/2023 8:02:11 PM EST
[#6]
Does the USAF have to worry about that? Flying in combat/potential combat situations could pose a safety risk.
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Posted: 2/28/2023 8:03:35 PM EST
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Remember, no English....
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Posted: 2/28/2023 8:03:56 PM EST
[#8]
Prepping the battle space for kinetic warfare in WW3 gray man style.
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Posted: 2/28/2023 8:06:27 PM EST
[#9]
Going to Ukraine duh.
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Posted: 2/28/2023 8:07:00 PM EST
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With as much as the current administration hates this country, I’m shocked they didn’t also remove the flag from the tail as well
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Posted: 2/28/2023 8:08:15 PM EST
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This is pretty standard for units going to, or getting ready for combat. Also, who cares, it’s cheaper to maintain and paint.
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Posted: 2/28/2023 8:10:42 PM EST
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Kind of reminds me in the months prior to Pearl Harbor how the Air Corps and USN were busy camouflaging all their aircraft. Almost like they EXPECTED that war.
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Posted: 2/28/2023 8:14:07 PM EST
[#13]
That sucks. Now I can’t just glance at a tail to see which plane I’m going to.
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Posted: 2/28/2023 8:14:29 PM EST
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"There are no markings on that C-5 airplane that just entered our airspace!"
"Darn it. How can we tell who owns that plane?" |
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Posted: 2/28/2023 8:14:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kind of reminds me in the months prior to Pearl Harbor how the Air Corps and USN were busy camouflaging all their aircraft. Almost like they EXPECTED that war. Bunching up their aircraft for easier security against saboteurs. Accidently made them a lot easier to bomb. |
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Posted: 2/28/2023 8:15:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kind of reminds me in the months prior to Pearl Harbor how the Air Corps and USN were busy camouflaging all their aircraft. Almost like they EXPECTED that war. Almost like the US government wrote a memo detailing the eight initiatives they would take that would force Japan to attack so the United States could enter WWII, as it was far too unpopular without such an attack. |
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Posted: 2/28/2023 8:16:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "There are no markings on that C-5 airplane that just entered our airspace!" "Darn it. How can we tell who owns that plane?" 
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Posted: 2/28/2023 8:17:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Remember, no English.... |
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Posted: 2/28/2023 8:22:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "There are no markings on that C-5 airplane that just entered our airspace!" "Darn it. How can we tell who owns that plane?" |
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Posted: 2/28/2023 8:24:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "There are no markings on that C-5 airplane that just entered our airspace!" "Darn it. How can we tell who owns that plane?" I remember the first time I heard about this. In a book about the Bay of Pigs where A-4 Skyhawks were hastily given an ugly gray paint job before they... flew around the conflict site, not firing a shot. But they did do some bluffing and distractions. At the time no military in the world but the US had A-4s. |
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Posted: 2/28/2023 8:34:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "There are no markings on that C-5 airplane that just entered our airspace!" "Darn it. How can we tell who owns that plane?" You know in the Ukraine situation people are tracking and discussion various Russian aircraft that are shot down? The SU-34 red 24 on such and such day which has previously been seen and this base or that. Same thing applies to us… the military doesn’t want an adversary to be able to gain information about which aircraft are from where. And on a darker note they don’t want the public to see pictures of downed US aircraft and be able to associate it with people they might know.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/28/2023 8:36:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hard to track units or numbers of aircraft without markings. Good idea but curious.. There might be something the bad guys could learn from knowing WHICH particular C-5 is coming and going somewhere, but it seems kind of left field to me. You could make the number of AC deployed to a particular location less obvious, but gee, somebody can just count them on the line with a pair of binos anyway. I'd think if you wanted to confuse them, paint a different tail number on every night. Then they'd think we have 87 C-5s instead of 12 maybe. I'm going with Biden appointed woke AF general doesn't want to trigger anyone reading UNITED STATES AIR FORCE and then them having to use a safe space chit to go and get a group hug. |
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Posted: 2/28/2023 8:40:48 PM EST
[#23]
The Germans regularly flew unmarked military planes for recon into Russia in 1940-41.
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Posted: 2/28/2023 8:44:02 PM EST
[#24]
US Submarines don't typically have their hull number painted on the sail.
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Posted: 2/28/2023 8:45:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Going to Ukraine duh. ?????? |
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Posted: 2/28/2023 8:46:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There might be something the bad guys could learn from knowing WHICH particular C-5 is coming and going somewhere, but it seems kind of left field to me. I'm going with Biden appointed woke AF general doesn't want to trigger anyone reading UNITED STATES AIR FORCE and then them having to use a safe space chit to go and get a group hug. Tail flash tells you where a crew is likely from and the starting point for all variety of other intel to be gathered. The head of Air Mobility Command may be woke to some degree but the memo he put out a month or so ago was more General Ripper than anything and got some media attention. He didn’t go so far as to tell his people to drink pure grain alcohol and rainwater to preserve their Purity Of Essence however he did tell them to go practice with the gun and shoot for the head. |
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Posted: 2/28/2023 8:47:41 PM EST
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 Attached FileB52s at Fairford just before Desert Storm. The Griffis buff in the background has had the Statue of Liberty painted over. |
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Posted: 2/28/2023 8:54:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kind of reminds me in the months prior to Pearl Harbor how the Air Corps and USN were busy camouflaging all their aircraft. Almost like they EXPECTED that war. You mean like the war that had already been raging in Europe since 1939 and Asia (China) since at least 1937? Who could have seen the US getting drawn into that? This guy: 
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Posted: 2/28/2023 8:55:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "There are no markings on that C-5 airplane that just entered our airspace!" "Darn it. How can we tell who owns that plane?" We all know who the C5’s belong to. But if a bunch of foamers are posting Flightaware data or sitting on their porch by their local National guard armories and posting about how C5 with tail number 878787 stopped and got a bunch of stinger missile cases from Bunker 3 in Pennsyltucky and then flew to Rammstein, it makes it pretty damn obvious that we just provided 87 stingers to country “U” and they can be more easily tracked to their final destination in the country. So maybe they’re tightening up their Opsec Maybe. Or maybe they’re all going to a blank canvas and the numbers will go back on in the rainbow or trans pride flag colors. Who knows these days |
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Posted: 2/28/2023 8:55:54 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m pretty sure everyone knows to whom those aircraft belong Is this kind of like having a gender neutral airplane? they gone globohomo |
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Posted: 2/28/2023 8:59:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That, but tin foil saying they're planning some roundabout flights to Poland and trying for an incident. I don't believe that for a second, but it's worth noting that NATO has C-17s based and flying out of Papa, Hungary. Looks like they're flying with very minimal markings...just a small "PAPA" tail stripe. |
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Posted: 2/28/2023 9:01:17 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Germans regularly flew unmarked military planes for recon into Russia in 1940-41. |
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Posted: 2/28/2023 9:11:13 PM EST
[#33]
Makes a lot of sense as it lessons the amount of data foreign intelligence operations can glean from tail watchers.
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Posted: 2/28/2023 10:57:18 PM EST
[#34]
Arent most kills with air or ground launched missiles fired from well outside reading tail markings range?
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Posted: 3/1/2023 1:41:32 AM EST
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The aircraft we rode around in in Iraq and Afghanistan were unmarked…completely unmarked.
Gray or camo and several previously belonged to foreign militaries. I remember one day coming back into Kandahar and the pilots requested Tarnak (Range) to expend “a little” ammo. Tower came back and said “that’s restricted to military only, are you military or civilian?” I saw the pilots’ heads turn to look at each other, one of them answered “Yes” and we proceeded onto the range. |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 1:50:33 AM EST
[#36]
In before the "accidental" shooting of an air force plane.
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Posted: 3/1/2023 1:57:58 AM EST
[#37]
Seems like a prudent thing to do when preparing for conflict. Don't give up unnecessary information that can be used against you.
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Posted: 3/1/2023 2:10:40 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Kind of reminds me in the months prior to Pearl Harbor how the Air Corps and USN were busy camouflaging all their aircraft. Almost like they EXPECTED that war.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 3:27:09 AM EST
[#39]
Probably giving them to Ukraine
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Posted: 3/1/2023 3:57:19 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Germans originally named their U-boats with consecutive numbers, until they realized that let the Allies know how many U-boats they had. They then started naming their U-boats in unrelated number blocks to prevent this. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Germans regularly flew unmarked military planes for recon into Russia in 1940-41. So the military equivalent of painting three pigs with the numbers 1 3 and 4 on their sides and releasing them in high school as a prank? |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 4:12:43 AM EST
[#41]
<<<
dinosaur mode// There was a time the non-strat airlift birds had minimal and/ or lower vis markings and no large individual unit markings.//dinosaur mode |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 4:15:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/330160/EACF3583-7741-4281-A054-8762B3E133A2_jpe-2729250.JPG B52s at Fairford just before Desert Storm. The Griffis buff in the background has had the Statue of Liberty painted over. Nobody will ever know who those B52s belong to 
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Posted: 3/1/2023 4:19:16 AM EST
[#43]
I'm not surprised. Been to Ramstein AFB lately? There are foreign assets monitoring and tracking our air traffic.
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Posted: 3/1/2023 4:31:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not surprised. Been to Ramstein AFB lately? There are foreign assets monitoring and tracking our air traffic. That's been going on for a very long time. |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 4:37:07 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Almost like the US government wrote a memo detailing the eight initiatives they would take that would force Japan to attack so the United States could enter WWII, as it was far too unpopular without such an attack. Wouldn't that be forcing China to attack us so we could get involved against Russia? |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 4:46:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not surprised. Been to Ramstein Yes, the movie Air Force One got it wrong too. |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 5:39:30 AM EST
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If they blank out the tankers, the weirdos hanging out outside the fence at Mildenhall sure will be sad.
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Posted: 3/1/2023 6:00:12 AM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Almost like the US government wrote a memo detailing the eight initiatives they would take that would force Japan to attack so the United States could enter WWII, as it was far too unpopular without such an attack. Shhh you aren’t supposed to know that. Japan just randomly attacked Pearl Harbor one day. |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 6:06:02 AM EST
[#49]
It is happening throughout the service.
As fighters are painted the tail flashes are being stripped. That is to help keep potential enemies from knowing which unit hit them. It is as much of an OPSEC issue in theater as it is at home because of the ability to target specific units at home as rebuts for attacks elsewhere. |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 6:10:24 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kind of reminds me in the months prior to Pearl Harbor how the Air Corps and USN were busy camouflaging all their aircraft. Almost like they EXPECTED that war. I used to collect a little bit of early USSteel memorabilia. I worked at one of the mills near Pittsburgh, and it was built in 1938. I got a Pittsburgh newspaper front page from the day it opened and one of the front page stories was about the ground breaking. This is 1938 - the article said the mill was being built for the "war effort". So they knew it was coming |
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