User Panel
User Panel
User Panel
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 4:19:50 PM EDT
[#1]
Quoted: Noveske has a rifle in use by some SOCOM units. The MCX SURG is set to replace the CQBR, so I’d think that will be fairly common, if not the new “standard,” as it were. Quoted: I thought the URG-1 was the known replacement? Or was that for another group? You guys are mixing up SOCOM programs with JSOC. The Noveske's (already talked about in this thread) are the issued carbine at DEVGRU (ST6), a JSOC unit. The URG-I and SURG are SOCOM programs. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 4:20:12 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What the fuck is that? Quote HistoryChinese rifle. Looks good for a Chinese designed weapon. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 4:20:20 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: OK. ETA Just because something is "the best" for tier one operators doesn't mean it is the best or even remotely appropriate for your intended use. What does "the best" carbine do for an operator that it doesn't do for anyone else? ::shrug:: Have three million dollar featherweight quick-change barrels that keyhole after 300 rounds? /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/temp-95.gif I have gotten help! My therapist prescribed an "Eat, Pray, Shitpost" lifestyle after the deep personal trauma felt because I can no longer renew my ARF membership. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 4:20:46 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They still use the KAC 7.62. "I", not 1, "I" Quote HistoryQuoted: They still use the KAC 7.62. I thought the URG-1 was the known replacement? Or was that for another group? "I", not 1, "I" |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 4:20:58 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To be clear, what they need for assaulters probably isn’t the best example of what almost anyone else needs.  |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 4:22:05 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: holy shit  |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 4:23:02 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Chinese rifle. Looks good for a Chinese designed weapon. https://i2.wp.com/asiatimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Euro-Security-Defence.png?resize=1200%2C846&ssl=1 Probably made with melted Yogurt pots |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 4:24:15 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thought it was Noveske? this but it could be larue... 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 4:26:00 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What does "the best" carbine do for an operator that it doesn't do for anyone else? I guess it depends on use: I'd love a 10.3, but can I replace the parts that wear out faster? I'd love full auto, but can I keep ammo in it? For my use, patrolling a neighborhood in unrest, for instance, do I need bombproof, or is merely "durable" acceptable? I could NEVER subject a weapon to the sort of abuse the military does in my lifetime. It's an interesting thought exercise. "Best" is a slippery term for sure. Obviously merely wanting something because it's cool is totally reasonable. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 4:26:29 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably made with melted Yogurt pots Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Chinese rifle. Looks good for a Chinese designed weapon. https://i2.wp.com/asiatimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Euro-Security-Defence.png?resize=1200%2C846&ssl=1 Probably made with melted Yogurt pots The Chinese made some of the better quality pre-ban AKs (Norinco/Polytech). If they are serious, they can make good weapons and accessories. After all the number of people using holosuns now compared to 5-7 years ago is somewhat evident. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 4:26:48 PM EDT
[#11]
As long as it has the pink muddy girl furniture on it. Have to support our new diverse military
 . |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 4:27:14 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: KAC didn’t pass their testing?! How so? Isn’t KAC the best of the best? Serious question, not trying to ruffle any feathers. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They didn't pass their testing. KAC didn’t pass their testing?! How so? Isn’t KAC the best of the best? Serious question, not trying to ruffle any feathers. Have no idea. It could be anything really. It didn’t fit their requirements, didn't like how it was suppressed etc etc. As a KAC and LMT fanboy myself, I will say that my 11.5" G and the 16" G's that I have shot, are very smooth, suppressed or not. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 4:30:56 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Have no idea. It could be anything really. It didn’t fit their requirements, didn't like how it was suppressed etc etc. As a KAC and LMT fanboy myself, I will say that my 11.5" G and the 16" G's that I have shot, are very smooth, suppressed or not. As you have seen me state before, but for others in here, I replaced my KAC 11.5 and 16 with Geissele 11.5 and 16. Sadly I probably wont be able to buy more as the cloners snatch up all the uppers.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 4:37:28 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As you have seen me state before, but for others in here, I replaced my KAC 11.5 and 16 with Geissele 11.5 and 16. Sadly I probably wont be able to buy more as the cloners snatch up all the uppers. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Have no idea. It could be anything really. It didn’t fit their requirements, didn't like how it was suppressed etc etc. As a KAC and LMT fanboy myself, I will say that my 11.5" G and the 16" G's that I have shot, are very smooth, suppressed or not. As you have seen me state before, but for others in here, I replaced my KAC 11.5 and 16 with Geissele 11.5 and 16. Sadly I probably wont be able to buy more as the cloners snatch up all the uppers. What does Geissele do better than KAC? What about the bolt design? |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 4:44:33 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve always thought those looked great. Quote HistoryWhat are they? |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 4:46:10 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What does Geissele do better than KAC? What about the bolt design? Better rail. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 4:47:25 PM EDT
[#17]
I know a lot of retired CAG/Delta guys seems to be big fans of the MCX, but then they're running those as personal semi-auto rifles.
I've heard though that the British SAS and SBS guys like the MCX as well. Sig has been having a lot of success lately. I wouldn't be surprised if it's their new rifle they're pushing to replace the M4. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 4:48:19 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What does Geissele do better than KAC? What about the bolt design? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Have no idea. It could be anything really. It didn’t fit their requirements, didn't like how it was suppressed etc etc. As a KAC and LMT fanboy myself, I will say that my 11.5" G and the 16" G's that I have shot, are very smooth, suppressed or not. As you have seen me state before, but for others in here, I replaced my KAC 11.5 and 16 with Geissele 11.5 and 16. Sadly I probably wont be able to buy more as the cloners snatch up all the uppers. What does Geissele do better than KAC? What about the bolt design? Black Friday. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 4:49:34 PM EDT
[#19]
Based on some of the treads here, its gotta be a hodge gun right?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 4:50:47 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What does Geissele do better than KAC? What about the bolt design? continue production of various different handguards. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 4:54:54 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What does Geissele do better than KAC? What about the bolt design? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Have no idea. It could be anything really. It didn’t fit their requirements, didn't like how it was suppressed etc etc. As a KAC and LMT fanboy myself, I will say that my 11.5" G and the 16" G's that I have shot, are very smooth, suppressed or not. As you have seen me state before, but for others in here, I replaced my KAC 11.5 and 16 with Geissele 11.5 and 16. Sadly I probably wont be able to buy more as the cloners snatch up all the uppers. What does Geissele do better than KAC? What about the bolt design? Geissele's REBCG is very nice. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 4:59:35 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What does "the best" carbine do for an operator that it doesn't do for anyone else? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: OK. ETA Just because something is "the best" for tier one operators doesn't mean it is the best or even remotely appropriate for your intended use. What does "the best" carbine do for an operator that it doesn't do for anyone else? Like a DD RIS II isn't the best choice of handguard for me. The price and weight aren't worth it because I will never be mounting a grenade launcher. Still a really nice rail though. I'm most cases I agree with you though, I think something as close to what is issued as you can get is going to be a solid choice. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 5:03:08 PM EDT
[#23]
I'm going with Mini-14 because we are too privileged to be able to hit where we are aiming at.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 5:04:57 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why do any of us really care? Honestly???? How will the cloners clone if they do not know what to clone. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 5:08:31 PM EDT
[#25]
Was this answered yet? I'm not reading the previous pages.
ETA: Screw it, I skimmed the last pages. Geissele was my guess and it looks like I was right. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 5:10:39 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What does Geissele do better than KAC? What about the bolt design? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Have no idea. It could be anything really. It didn’t fit their requirements, didn't like how it was suppressed etc etc. As a KAC and LMT fanboy myself, I will say that my 11.5" G and the 16" G's that I have shot, are very smooth, suppressed or not. As you have seen me state before, but for others in here, I replaced my KAC 11.5 and 16 with Geissele 11.5 and 16. Sadly I probably wont be able to buy more as the cloners snatch up all the uppers. What does Geissele do better than KAC? What about the bolt design? They sponsor Cola Wars. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 5:12:40 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Better rail. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What does Geissele do better than KAC? What about the bolt design? Better rail. You have that backwards. The URX4 is the better in-production rail |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 5:25:07 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course a guy named S-1 would leave the thread early without doing his job. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 5:30:29 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You have that backwards. The URX4 is the better in-production rail Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What does Geissele do better than KAC? What about the bolt design? Better rail. You have that backwards. The URX4 is the better in-production rail Ooof you’re right. I’m a URX4 fanboy. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 5:32:17 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course a guy named S-1 would leave the thread early without doing his job. Guys check your AKO in a few weeks
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 5:33:55 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Take a look at race cars. They're wicked fast and handle as if on rails. Tires only last 200 miles and engines only 500 miles. "The very best" is different if you're staging one-day assaults and have a large logistics train or if -- as the meme says -- "no one is coming to help you". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: To be clear, what they need for assaulters probably isn’t the best example of what almost anyone else needs. So, a hard use carbine is not what people need? Take a look at race cars. They're wicked fast and handle as if on rails. Tires only last 200 miles and engines only 500 miles. "The very best" is different if you're staging one-day assaults and have a large logistics train or if -- as the meme says -- "no one is coming to help you". That’s a pretty shit analogy. Generally, what SOF wants in a general use weapon is going to heavily overlap with what the general gun owning public would want. At least in regards to reliability, durability, etc. There’s no guarantee that “one-day assault” is going to actually only be one day and dude’s putting large quantities of ammunition through their guns aren’t going to want to be replacing part after part on a constant basis. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 5:35:56 PM EDT
[#32]
So what's this Geisselle rail flex thing?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 5:38:44 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Better rail. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What does Geissele do better than KAC? What about the bolt design? Better rail. Better than a URX4? Edit: answered above |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 5:39:55 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can kind of see his point in some cases. Like a DD RIS II isn't the best choice of handguard for me. The price and weight aren't worth it because I will never be mounting a grenade launcher. Still a really nice rail though. I'm most cases I agree with you though, I think something as close to what is issued as you can get is going to be a solid choice. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: OK. ETA Just because something is "the best" for tier one operators doesn't mean it is the best or even remotely appropriate for your intended use. What does "the best" carbine do for an operator that it doesn't do for anyone else? Like a DD RIS II isn't the best choice of handguard for me. The price and weight aren't worth it because I will never be mounting a grenade launcher. Still a really nice rail though. I'm most cases I agree with you though, I think something as close to what is issued as you can get is going to be a solid choice. If you could afford a GL/SSC you could probably afford the 40mm to go with it. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 5:40:02 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So what's this Geisselle rail flex thing? G had some issues with one of their rail systems. I believe it’s been addressed by a design change. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 5:41:16 PM EDT
[#36]
Delta does operations in extremis, far away from logistics.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 5:47:07 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They sponsor Cola Wars. KAC has as well. I bought both my uppers. Anyway, more accurate, prefer the G rail, and more reliable on full auto is why I like the G uppers better. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 5:47:39 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So, a hard use carbine is not what people need? 20" A2 or Go Home! |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 5:52:50 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Chinese made some of the better quality pre-ban AKs (Norinco/Polytech). If they are serious, they can make good weapons and accessories. After all the number of people using holosuns now compared to 5-7 years ago is somewhat evident. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Chinese rifle. Looks good for a Chinese designed weapon. https://i2.wp.com/asiatimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Euro-Security-Defence.png?resize=1200%2C846&ssl=1 Probably made with melted Yogurt pots The Chinese made some of the better quality pre-ban AKs (Norinco/Polytech). If they are serious, they can make good weapons and accessories. After all the number of people using holosuns now compared to 5-7 years ago is somewhat evident. This. Back in the day when Wilson would work on customer guns, the Norinco 1911 was one of few he would build on. https://www.1911forum.com/threads/wilson-norinco.436655/ |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 6:01:08 PM EDT
[#40]
I honestly thought more G haters would be in this thread.
Now they're like... |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 6:06:16 PM EDT
[#41]
Who is Bill?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 6:09:28 PM EDT
[#42]
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 6:13:16 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What does Geissele do better than KAC? What about the bolt design? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Have no idea. It could be anything really. It didn't fit their requirements, didn't like how it was suppressed etc etc. As a KAC and LMT fanboy myself, I will say that my 11.5" G and the 16" G's that I have shot, are very smooth, suppressed or not. As you have seen me state before, but for others in here, I replaced my KAC 11.5 and 16 with Geissele 11.5 and 16. Sadly I probably wont be able to buy more as the cloners snatch up all the uppers. What does Geissele do better than KAC? What about the bolt design? For as much shit a lot of manufacturers talk about their stuff being "top tier", they port their barrels for Tula shooting berm blasters. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 6:14:40 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you could afford a GL/SSC you could probably afford the 40mm to go with it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: OK. ETA Just because something is "the best" for tier one operators doesn't mean it is the best or even remotely appropriate for your intended use. What does "the best" carbine do for an operator that it doesn't do for anyone else? Like a DD RIS II isn't the best choice of handguard for me. The price and weight aren't worth it because I will never be mounting a grenade launcher. Still a really nice rail though. I'm most cases I agree with you though, I think something as close to what is issued as you can get is going to be a solid choice. If you could afford a GL/SSC you could probably afford the 40mm to go with it. Anyway, I was talking about the standard M4A1 rail that has the removable bottom rail for a 203. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 6:15:13 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I honestly thought more G haters would be in this thread. Now they're like... https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSibO18mui0NUqD0scacKF6dgh9H6RH4KMEAg&usqp=CAU G should immediately stop selling RBCG bolts to civilians. That way I can sell my bolt for $700 while everyone cheers on how awesome and rare it is
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 6:18:41 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Drills the gas port smaller. For as much shit a lot of manufacturers talk about their stuff being "top tier", they port their barrels for Tula shooting berm blasters. I actually still have one of the original legacy SR15s with the smaller gas port, if I recall at some point everyone complained at them so much they opened it up.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 6:19:21 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Drills the gas port smaller. For as much shit a lot of manufacturers talk about their stuff being "top tier", they port their barrels for Tula shooting berm blasters. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Have no idea. It could be anything really. It didn't fit their requirements, didn't like how it was suppressed etc etc. As a KAC and LMT fanboy myself, I will say that my 11.5" G and the 16" G's that I have shot, are very smooth, suppressed or not. As you have seen me state before, but for others in here, I replaced my KAC 11.5 and 16 with Geissele 11.5 and 16. Sadly I probably wont be able to buy more as the cloners snatch up all the uppers. What does Geissele do better than KAC? What about the bolt design? For as much shit a lot of manufacturers talk about their stuff being "top tier", they port their barrels for Tula shooting berm blasters. Ehhh, my Mod 2 CQB won’t reliably cycle most steel case stuff unsuppressed. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 6:21:39 PM EDT
[#48]
Anderson, mofos!
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 6:28:54 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess it depends on use: I'd love a 10.3, but can I replace the parts that wear out faster? I'd love full auto, but can I keep ammo in it? For my use, patrolling a neighborhood in unrest, for instance, do I need bombproof, or is merely "durable" acceptable? I could NEVER subject a weapon to the sort of abuse the military does in my lifetime. It's an interesting thought exercise. "Best" is a slippery term for sure. Obviously merely wanting something because it's cool is totally reasonable. Well yeah. You can. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/15/2021 6:29:30 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I know a lot of retired CAG/Delta guys seems to be big fans of the MCX, but then they're running those as personal semi-auto rifles. I've heard though that the British SAS and SBS guys like the MCX as well. Sig has been having a lot of success lately. I wouldn't be surprised if it's their new rifle they're pushing to replace the M4. MCXs are fucking great rifles, and given everyone’s propensity for adopting Sigs as of late, I wouldn’t be surprised to see their more widespread use. |
|
|
Win a FREE Membership!
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.
