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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:16:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I voted for Trump in the General because he was the better choice than Biden. OTHER THAN VOTING what do you do? Do you actually campaign, lobby, go to your lawmakers offices and sit down with them, organize, etc? Or do you just willfully vote and do nothing else. Because that is part of apathy. Until you HOLD THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE. Nothing gets done. They work for us. That means you have to be the micromanager and be on their ass. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It will remain that way long after we are dust in the end.........it is ALWAYS the lesser of two evils. No one will ever be perfect in all of our eyes..........no one. Seriously and with all due respect you are venturing a bit into Lin Wood territory if you think otherwise, even a little bit. You go ahead and keep waiting for that perfect candidate. Meanwhile the left shows up on voting day and gives us people like Harris and AOC. Great plan. It's not that your "idea" is bad it's that it isn't grounded in reality. The rest of us realize this. Are you kidding? Rdak literally has been spelling it out to you in crayon that it is always a choice of the lesser evils and you can't seem to accept that this is your reality. I vote for the best candidate in the primary. I vote against the democrat in the general. What should I change? Please tell me. You go on and on but never offer a solution. You just continue with the head in clouds idealistic rabble rabble. OTHER THAN VOTING what do you do? Do you actually campaign, lobby, go to your lawmakers offices and sit down with them, organize, etc? Or do you just willfully vote and do nothing else. Because that is part of apathy. Until you HOLD THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE. Nothing gets done. They work for us. That means you have to be the micromanager and be on their ass. I campaign by spreading their messages on social media, and I donate money. Now. Give me examples of how you hold their feet to the fire. Take Trump. Trump fucked us on bumpstocks. So ignore the fact that the NRA gave him the greenlight and tell me how we could have better held his feet to the fire. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:18:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup, I think you are right. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Term limits would be great. 1) Spending too much time in DC can turn anyone Swamp. 2) Too many hacks get reelected simply because morons recognize the name. Either they turn swamp and become evil/corrupt or they try to stay good but the swamp blackmails them. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:19:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't hate the man. He's just a let down from what he claimed to be. He wasn't pro 2A, he didn't shrink government, and he went crazy with spending. He was good on trying to promote pride in being American. But his actions relating to the Constitution and protecting the inalienable rights of Americans was something he didn't do well, in fact, we ran roughshod over them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They are going to hate him forever.......I do admit that. That’s it, I’m writing you in for 2024. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:20:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I will say this for the BILLIONTH time.......it is ALWAYS the lesser of two evils..........ALWAYS!!! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Again. I voted for Trump. I didn't want Biden in office because he was the shittier guy and would do even worse. I will say this for the BILLIONTH time.......it is ALWAYS the lesser of two evils..........ALWAYS!!! Only because we let it be. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:22:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I campaign by spreading their messages on social media, and I donate money. Now. Give me examples of how you hold their feet to the fire. Take Trump. Trump fucked us on bumpstocks. So ignore the fact that the NRA gave him the greenlight and tell me how we could have better held his feet to the fire. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It will remain that way long after we are dust in the end.........it is ALWAYS the lesser of two evils. No one will ever be perfect in all of our eyes..........no one. Seriously and with all due respect you are venturing a bit into Lin Wood territory if you think otherwise, even a little bit. You go ahead and keep waiting for that perfect candidate. Meanwhile the left shows up on voting day and gives us people like Harris and AOC. Great plan. It's not that your "idea" is bad it's that it isn't grounded in reality. The rest of us realize this. Are you kidding? Rdak literally has been spelling it out to you in crayon that it is always a choice of the lesser evils and you can't seem to accept that this is your reality. I vote for the best candidate in the primary. I vote against the democrat in the general. What should I change? Please tell me. You go on and on but never offer a solution. You just continue with the head in clouds idealistic rabble rabble. OTHER THAN VOTING what do you do? Do you actually campaign, lobby, go to your lawmakers offices and sit down with them, organize, etc? Or do you just willfully vote and do nothing else. Because that is part of apathy. Until you HOLD THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE. Nothing gets done. They work for us. That means you have to be the micromanager and be on their ass. I campaign by spreading their messages on social media, and I donate money. Now. Give me examples of how you hold their feet to the fire. Take Trump. Trump fucked us on bumpstocks. So ignore the fact that the NRA gave him the greenlight and tell me how we could have better held his feet to the fire. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:22:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Either they turn swamp and become evil/corrupt or they try to stay good but the swamp blackmails them. Sure seems that way. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:23:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @RDak, California has term limits. It does nothing to stop corruption. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What do you think about term limits? I think it might be time for it.....too many entrenched "fiefdoms". Term limits doesn’t stop Americans from voting for the shit candidates the machine puts up on the ballot. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:23:38 AM EDT
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Now getting back to Powell........how will this turn out for her?
I am at the "flip a coin" answer. 
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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:24:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only because we let it be. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Again. I voted for Trump. I didn't want Biden in office because he was the shittier guy and would do even worse. I will say this for the BILLIONTH time.......it is ALWAYS the lesser of two evils..........ALWAYS!!! Only because we let it be. More empty words and idealistic bullshit. How do we not "let it be"? I want a clear drawn out plan by you explaining how we can all follow Honda4828's guidance and make America better. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:24:47 AM EDT
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Sure are a lot of easily manipulated people on this board. I guess you could call them sheeple.
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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:25:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Term limits doesn’t stop Americans from voting for the shit candidates the machine puts up on the ballot. Ok.......... |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:25:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now getting back to Powell........how will this turn out for her? I am at the "flip a coin" answer. She could claim insanity.....I'd buy it as a legit defense at this point
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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:26:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is always some of that.....that will always be a part of politics. A classic example right now before our eyes is how dumbasses like Potato and Artichoke could ever remotely have any chance of becoming the heads of the Executive Branch. We are in the Twilight Zone in that regard. Think about it......"Potato and Artichoke" is a very apropos description of the leaders of this current Administration.......it fucking sucks and is mind boggling. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nothing but a facade meant to manipulate the masses. There is always some of that.....that will always be a part of politics. A classic example right now before our eyes is how dumbasses like Potato and Artichoke could ever remotely have any chance of becoming the heads of the Executive Branch. We are in the Twilight Zone in that regard. Think about it......"Potato and Artichoke" is a very apropos description of the leaders of this current Administration.......it fucking sucks and is mind boggling. The same can be said for every administration we have had in recent memory. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:27:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I campaign by spreading their messages on social media, and I donate money. Now. Give me examples of how you hold their feet to the fire. Take Trump. Trump fucked us on bumpstocks. So ignore the fact that the NRA gave him the greenlight and tell me how we could have better held his feet to the fire. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It will remain that way long after we are dust in the end.........it is ALWAYS the lesser of two evils. No one will ever be perfect in all of our eyes..........no one. Seriously and with all due respect you are venturing a bit into Lin Wood territory if you think otherwise, even a little bit. You go ahead and keep waiting for that perfect candidate. Meanwhile the left shows up on voting day and gives us people like Harris and AOC. Great plan. It's not that your "idea" is bad it's that it isn't grounded in reality. The rest of us realize this. Are you kidding? Rdak literally has been spelling it out to you in crayon that it is always a choice of the lesser evils and you can't seem to accept that this is your reality. I vote for the best candidate in the primary. I vote against the democrat in the general. What should I change? Please tell me. You go on and on but never offer a solution. You just continue with the head in clouds idealistic rabble rabble. OTHER THAN VOTING what do you do? Do you actually campaign, lobby, go to your lawmakers offices and sit down with them, organize, etc? Or do you just willfully vote and do nothing else. Because that is part of apathy. Until you HOLD THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE. Nothing gets done. They work for us. That means you have to be the micromanager and be on their ass. I campaign by spreading their messages on social media, and I donate money. Now. Give me examples of how you hold their feet to the fire. Take Trump. Trump fucked us on bumpstocks. So ignore the fact that the NRA gave him the greenlight and tell me how we could have better held his feet to the fire. Trump also gave us a level of socialism we haven’t seen since FDR. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:29:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: She could claim insanity.....I'd buy it as a legit defense at this point Ok, there is one for insanity........I think Wood might have that one in the bag.
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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:29:58 AM EDT
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Link to the actual filing
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/20519858/3-22-21-sidney-powell-defending-the-republic-motion-to-dismiss-dominion.pdf Media statement from her lawyers https://www.kraken-wood.com/pdf/HK.MEDIA.STATEMENT.3.23.21.pdf Click To View Spoiler |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:33:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If gun owners as a group made a concerted effort to actually tell Trump how big of a fuck up that was instead of gargling his balls. He might have gotten the message. But instead, folks like you instead campaigned by spreading their messages on social media, and donateing money. That sent him a message that you approved of his actions. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It will remain that way long after we are dust in the end.........it is ALWAYS the lesser of two evils. No one will ever be perfect in all of our eyes..........no one. Seriously and with all due respect you are venturing a bit into Lin Wood territory if you think otherwise, even a little bit. You go ahead and keep waiting for that perfect candidate. Meanwhile the left shows up on voting day and gives us people like Harris and AOC. Great plan. It's not that your "idea" is bad it's that it isn't grounded in reality. The rest of us realize this. Are you kidding? Rdak literally has been spelling it out to you in crayon that it is always a choice of the lesser evils and you can't seem to accept that this is your reality. I vote for the best candidate in the primary. I vote against the democrat in the general. What should I change? Please tell me. You go on and on but never offer a solution. You just continue with the head in clouds idealistic rabble rabble. OTHER THAN VOTING what do you do? Do you actually campaign, lobby, go to your lawmakers offices and sit down with them, organize, etc? Or do you just willfully vote and do nothing else. Because that is part of apathy. Until you HOLD THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE. Nothing gets done. They work for us. That means you have to be the micromanager and be on their ass. I campaign by spreading their messages on social media, and I donate money. Now. Give me examples of how you hold their feet to the fire. Take Trump. Trump fucked us on bumpstocks. So ignore the fact that the NRA gave him the greenlight and tell me how we could have better held his feet to the fire. I wrote letters to the WH and posted on his Twitter page how I opposed the bumpstock ruling. The only money I sent the Trump campaign was in October of 2016. What else could I have done? Should I have not voted for him in 2020? |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:34:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdldHrACIAAMdnU.jpg Herd Mentality is a thing with humanity and even among the I'M A CONSERVATIVE INDIVIDUALIST THAT TRAVELS IN A PACK OF ONE! I CAN THINK FOR MYSELF, UNLIKE THOSE PATHETIC LEFTISTS THAT DARE INSULT THE GOD EMPEROR! The thing about politics is this. People liked Trump because he said out loud what they thought. People like "leaders" that they things they want to hear. And Trump, being a showman and understanding showmanship did exactly that. Doesn't mesn he meant a single word of it. The problem is, many on thr Right latched onto Trump in a cult of personality no different than many latched onto Obama. Horseshoe Theory in play.... the radical elements of both sides of the aisle are very similar in methodology, thought, and action. They are mirror opposites of each other. What's even funnier, is they align with a lot of the same end results, just for different reasons. Defunding the police, dismantling of government and replacing it with their own, wanting to be the new authority in the remade society, paranoia, the worshiping of their political leaders as religious deities, etc. That's not what that scene is conveying |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:35:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: More empty words and idealistic bullshit. How do we not "let it be"? I want a clear drawn out plan by you explaining how we can all follow Honda4828's guidance and make America better. Why did Trump go forward? Because gun owners were gargling Trump's balls and saying "well, if it was the Democrats. It would be ARs and not bumpstocks being banned. They're just silly range toys and I can kill shit out at 1,000 yards anyways." Gun owners sent a message to Trump through their apathy that they approved of his actions and the end result was gun control. Furthermore, Trump went and championed Red Flag Laws and Republicans across thr country passed it into laws in their states. And the very people targeted by it kept right on gargling Trump's balls. Whe. It was time to be critical of Trump so he understood he fucked up, his loyalists told those that were concerned about him going wrong on the 2A to shut the fuck up. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:40:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Link to the actual filing https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/20519858/3-22-21-sidney-powell-defending-the-republic-motion-to-dismiss-dominion.pdf Media statement from her lawyers https://www.kraken-wood.com/pdf/HK.MEDIA.STATEMENT.3.23.21.pdf Click To View Spoiler Thanks. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:42:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You brought up Trump and bumpstocks. If gun owners rallied like they did on January 6 or against the Virginia Democrats, but earlier during Trump's term prior to him passing the ban and it was directed against Trump and the focus was on gun rights. Do you think Trump would have gone forward with his ban? Why did Trump go forward? Because gun owners were gargling Trump's balls and saying "well, if it was the Democrats. It would be ARs and not bumpstocks being banned. They're just silly range toys and I can kill shit out at 1,000 yards anyways." Gun owners sent a message to Trump through their apathy that they approved of his actions and the end result was gun control. Furthermore, Trump went and championed Red Flag Laws and Republicans across thr country passed it into laws in their states. And the very people targeted by it kept right on gargling Trump's balls. Whe. It was time to be critical of Trump so he understood he fucked up, his loyalists told those that were concerned about him going wrong on the 2A to shut the fuck up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: More empty words and idealistic bullshit. How do we not "let it be"? I want a clear drawn out plan by you explaining how we can all follow Honda4828's guidance and make America better. Why did Trump go forward? Because gun owners were gargling Trump's balls and saying "well, if it was the Democrats. It would be ARs and not bumpstocks being banned. They're just silly range toys and I can kill shit out at 1,000 yards anyways." Gun owners sent a message to Trump through their apathy that they approved of his actions and the end result was gun control. Furthermore, Trump went and championed Red Flag Laws and Republicans across thr country passed it into laws in their states. And the very people targeted by it kept right on gargling Trump's balls. Whe. It was time to be critical of Trump so he understood he fucked up, his loyalists told those that were concerned about him going wrong on the 2A to shut the fuck up.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:43:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You brought up Trump and bumpstocks. If gun owners rallied like they did on January 6 or against the Virginia Democrats, but earlier during Trump's term prior to him passing the ban and it was directed against Trump and the focus was on gun rights. Do you think Trump would have gone forward with his ban? Why did Trump go forward? Because gun owners were gargling Trump's balls and saying "well, if it was the Democrats. It would be ARs and not bumpstocks being banned. They're just silly range toys and I can kill shit out at 1,000 yards anyways." Gun owners sent a message to Trump through their apathy that they approved of his actions and the end result was gun control. Furthermore, Trump went and championed Red Flag Laws and Republicans across thr country passed it into laws in their states. And the very people targeted by it kept right on gargling Trump's balls. Whe. It was time to be critical of Trump so he understood he fucked up, his loyalists told those that were concerned about him going wrong on the 2A to shut the fuck up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: More empty words and idealistic bullshit. How do we not "let it be"? I want a clear drawn out plan by you explaining how we can all follow Honda4828's guidance and make America better. Why did Trump go forward? Because gun owners were gargling Trump's balls and saying "well, if it was the Democrats. It would be ARs and not bumpstocks being banned. They're just silly range toys and I can kill shit out at 1,000 yards anyways." Gun owners sent a message to Trump through their apathy that they approved of his actions and the end result was gun control. Furthermore, Trump went and championed Red Flag Laws and Republicans across thr country passed it into laws in their states. And the very people targeted by it kept right on gargling Trump's balls. Whe. It was time to be critical of Trump so he understood he fucked up, his loyalists told those that were concerned about him going wrong on the 2A to shut the fuck up. So we hold a protest and then what? |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:43:46 AM EDT
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The problem is that she was indeed representing herself in public media to be fighting for team Trump.
So, if she`s is now saying har har i was just fooling around thats fraud and she needs to pay bigly. Like a billion dollhairs bigly. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:44:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then why did the Swamp hate him so much??? I realize a lot of people in this thread have always hated Trump............the Swamp did also. Better question is: What did Trump actually DO about the "Swamp"? Nothing. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:46:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: More empty words and idealistic bullshit. How do we not "let it be"? I want a clear drawn out plan by you explaining how we can all follow Honda4828's guidance and make America better. Why did Trump go forward? Because gun owners were gargling Trump's balls and saying "well, if it was the Democrats. It would be ARs and not bumpstocks being banned. They're just silly range toys and I can kill shit out at 1,000 yards anyways." Gun owners sent a message to Trump through their apathy that they approved of his actions and the end result was gun control. Furthermore, Trump went and championed Red Flag Laws and Republicans across thr country passed it into laws in their states. And the very people targeted by it kept right on gargling Trump's balls. Whe. It was time to be critical of Trump so he understood he fucked up, his loyalists told those that were concerned about him going wrong on the 2A to shut the fuck up. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/1zvslystz4-7.gif Still waiting for Honda's plan on how we stop "letting it be" the lesser of two evils. Miamijbt, try not to answer this question that is addressed to Honda4828. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:47:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now getting back to Powell........how will this turn out for her? I am at the "flip a coin" answer. 1. She reaches a non-financial settlement with Dominion and says that she was "wrong" about her allegations. She doesn't admit they were fabricated, instead she throws her underlings under the bus, particularly the guy who put together the bogus data analysis. 2. That allows her to say that she believed what she was saying at the time, which avoids Rule 11 sanctions for her filings. 3. She probably keeps her law license. She may get a suspension or something. 4. Most importantly for her, she avoids criminal liability for fraud relating to her fundraising activities. That assumes Dominion is willing to play ball and would be happy with that outcome. I can also see an outcome where she loses the civil case, gets disbarred and is subject to fraud and/or RICO prosecution for her fundraising. That would probably suck in a lot of other people as well. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:49:52 AM EDT
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Yeah duh. Never trust people who wear leopard print anything in public.
 Seriously, try it: people who wear or decorate with animal print are fucking nuts.
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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:50:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And it sucks!!!  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He clearly is not well, and I don’t have a hard time at all believing his entire family has disowned him. Which makes it all the more frustrating. Trump should have distanced himself from Wood and called him on his nonsense immediately. But Wood was one of the few public figures still allied with the president, so he unfortunately was allowed his platform. We should still have a republican senate, but because of that nut job, we don’t. And it sucks!!! Yes, we know this how? Because more Republicans would have voted? More Republicans voted in the Presidential Election and it didn't matter. The Dems were rigging it before the Run-off Election with like 1.8 million mail-in votes before the run-off That was their point. Unless we fix the problems, it will be the same thing over and over. You have the Whitehouse surrounded by troops and fencing, our Southern Border being overrun, a city still on fire, toilet paper starting to become more valuable than the dollar. kid phuckers in the Whitehouse, etc. When is it going to sink in |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:52:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You brought up Trump and bumpstocks. If gun owners rallied like they did on January 6 or against the Virginia Democrats, but earlier during Trump's term prior to him passing the ban and it was directed against Trump and the focus was on gun rights. Do you think Trump would have gone forward with his ban? Why did Trump go forward? Because gun owners were gargling Trump's balls and saying "well, if it was the Democrats. It would be ARs and not bumpstocks being banned. They're just silly range toys and I can kill shit out at 1,000 yards anyways." Gun owners sent a message to Trump through their apathy that they approved of his actions and the end result was gun control. Furthermore, Trump went and championed Red Flag Laws and Republicans across thr country passed it into laws in their states. And the very people targeted by it kept right on gargling Trump's balls. Whe. It was time to be critical of Trump so he understood he fucked up, his loyalists told those that were concerned about him going wrong on the 2A to shut the fuck up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: More empty words and idealistic bullshit. How do we not "let it be"? I want a clear drawn out plan by you explaining how we can all follow Honda4828's guidance and make America better. Why did Trump go forward? Because gun owners were gargling Trump's balls and saying "well, if it was the Democrats. It would be ARs and not bumpstocks being banned. They're just silly range toys and I can kill shit out at 1,000 yards anyways." Gun owners sent a message to Trump through their apathy that they approved of his actions and the end result was gun control. Furthermore, Trump went and championed Red Flag Laws and Republicans across thr country passed it into laws in their states. And the very people targeted by it kept right on gargling Trump's balls. Whe. It was time to be critical of Trump so he understood he fucked up, his loyalists told those that were concerned about him going wrong on the 2A to shut the fuck up. Lol spot on. Gun owners could never band together. We're too busy measuring egos and epeens with each other, and cancelling those who don't agree with 100% of us 100% if the time. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:54:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So we hold a protest and then what? The solution is simple, attempt to primary him. It sends him a even larger message. His campaign managers would tell him, "boss, you really FUCKED UP AND KICKED OVER A HORNET'S NEST." Democrats learned that in the 90s with the Clinton AWB and lost control of the House after 40 years of controlling it. We aren't in suicidal pacts with politicians. But your solution is to never even take the first step to remotely correct the issue. The fact that gun owners constantly reelect gun grabbers sends a message to politicians that gun owners are not a political force to fear. They're simple minded, timid, and weak willed. Rick Scott passed the largest gun control bill in recent history in FL and he was rewarded with a Senate seat in Congress and FL Republicans were rewarded with reelection to their state offices. The message was sent loud and clear to them. Gun owners are apathetic and weak. All bark, no bite. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:55:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Still waiting for Honda's plan on how we stop "letting it be" the lesser of two evils. Miamijbt, try not to answer this question that is addressed to Honda4828. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: More empty words and idealistic bullshit. How do we not "let it be"? I want a clear drawn out plan by you explaining how we can all follow Honda4828's guidance and make America better. Why did Trump go forward? Because gun owners were gargling Trump's balls and saying "well, if it was the Democrats. It would be ARs and not bumpstocks being banned. They're just silly range toys and I can kill shit out at 1,000 yards anyways." Gun owners sent a message to Trump through their apathy that they approved of his actions and the end result was gun control. Furthermore, Trump went and championed Red Flag Laws and Republicans across thr country passed it into laws in their states. And the very people targeted by it kept right on gargling Trump's balls. Whe. It was time to be critical of Trump so he understood he fucked up, his loyalists told those that were concerned about him going wrong on the 2A to shut the fuck up. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/1zvslystz4-7.gif Still waiting for Honda's plan on how we stop "letting it be" the lesser of two evils. Miamijbt, try not to answer this question that is addressed to Honda4828. Stop voting for the shit birds the machine puts up on the ballot. A good rule of thumb is if the TV is telling you someone is ‘electable’, that person is guaranteed to be a statist shit bird. We are losing anyways, so stop playing the fucking game and get involved locally. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:55:47 AM EDT
[#32]
To all three or so of you who continue to insist that pointing out Trump's shortcomings means that we are rejoicing in a Biden victory: Stop it. Get help.
Here are a few more random thoughts I had about the Trump Presidency: Like many others, I was completely elated when he won unexpectedly in 2016. I can't tell you how many times I watched the YouTube videos of "Trump can't win" culminated with the networks calling the election for him. The sweetest was probably watching the election night broadcast summary from "The Young Turks". Nothing sweeter than seeing Cenk Uygur blowing his lid. Then there were some kick-ass cabinet appointments. Remember when Mattis became SecDef? The tax cut. The way Trump just stuck it in the eye of the left at every opportunity and not giving a crap about their screeching. His foreign policy initiatives were right-on in many cases, ditto his SCOTUS appointments. At some point in time though, reality set in. Look back at ALL the people that quit on him. Sure - you can claim that *some* of them were "traitors" but the turnover in the administration was nothing short of breathtaking. Then his reflexive lies. I know that the liberal media were out to get him and some of them were nuanced, but let's be honest: He routinely lied his ass off. At some point in time, that takes a toll and it never let up. His complete ineptitude handling Corona. Instead of handing off the crisis to experts, he was out front and center so he could get his face time and it turned out to be an unprecedented disaster. I think it really hit me that he wasn't in it "for us" when he decided to run for reelection. He had won a stunning upset, but everyone could see the writing on the wall that the MSM would so demonize him that it would be next to impossible to win reelection, especially when you throw in the liberals who were PISSED and sure to turn out en masse. He could have gone out on top, handed the reins over to someone viable in the 2020 election, but the fact that he ran for reelection anyway told me more than many other decisions he made. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:55:59 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Trump was part of the swamp. His record of donations to numerous people show it. He even chided during the primary that elected officials can be bought and he did it. He hung out with the Clintons forever. Hell, during the 2016 election, when he was badmouthing Hillary, he had their portrait in his NY residence on the same shelf where he kept family pictures. If the Clintons were truly my political rivals and enemy, I wouldn't keep their picture in my house, let alone next to pictures of my wife and kids. What many here call the swamp, it actually is just politics. There are friendships and then there are temporary political conflicts and alliances. Look at Ginsburg and Scalia. Political rivals on the bench with polar opposite political views. Yet they were best of friends. A lot of it is smoke and mirrors, it is a dog and pony show. In FL, the Republican Senate Pro Tempur and the Democrat Minority Chair hated each other publicly. In private, they fucked each other's brains out and had an affair behind their spouses. At Trump's level, you socialize with those people. With the Bushes, Clintons, Obamas, etc.... that was his social circle. He never was an outsider. He was always part of it. And what happened was is some of the political alliances ended since they became political rivals. He donated to Kalama Harris for Christ's sake back when she was the CA AG. I can tell you this. I've been a Republican longer than Trump has and I'm not even in my 40s. I've also never donated a single penny to a Democrat, especially a gun grabbing one like Harris. Funny how people that pointed out these details were shouted down four years ago... |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:57:28 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You brought up Trump and bumpstocks. If gun owners rallied like they did on January 6 or against the Virginia Democrats, but earlier during Trump's term prior to him passing the ban and it was directed against Trump and the focus was on gun rights. Do you think Trump would have gone forward with his ban? Why did Trump go forward? Because gun owners were gargling Trump's balls and saying "well, if it was the Democrats. It would be ARs and not bumpstocks being banned. They're just silly range toys and I can kill shit out at 1,000 yards anyways." Gun owners sent a message to Trump through their apathy that they approved of his actions and the end result was gun control. Furthermore, Trump went and championed Red Flag Laws and Republicans across thr country passed it into laws in their states. And the very people targeted by it kept right on gargling Trump's balls. Whe. It was time to be critical of Trump so he understood he fucked up, his loyalists told those that were concerned about him going wrong on the 2A to shut the fuck up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: More empty words and idealistic bullshit. How do we not "let it be"? I want a clear drawn out plan by you explaining how we can all follow Honda4828's guidance and make America better. Why did Trump go forward? Because gun owners were gargling Trump's balls and saying "well, if it was the Democrats. It would be ARs and not bumpstocks being banned. They're just silly range toys and I can kill shit out at 1,000 yards anyways." Gun owners sent a message to Trump through their apathy that they approved of his actions and the end result was gun control. Furthermore, Trump went and championed Red Flag Laws and Republicans across thr country passed it into laws in their states. And the very people targeted by it kept right on gargling Trump's balls. Whe. It was time to be critical of Trump so he understood he fucked up, his loyalists told those that were concerned about him going wrong on the 2A to shut the fuck up. That strategy is what gives leftist a way into our community to sow seeds of doubt and chaos. It will assuredly cause division worse than it already is. Don't fall into the trap of being critical to the point of destroying your own political power. Thats what nevertrumpers are all about anyhow, destroying political power and causing division. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 10:57:45 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You brought up Trump and bumpstocks. If gun owners rallied like they did on January 6 or against the Virginia Democrats, but earlier during Trump's term prior to him passing the ban and it was directed against Trump and the focus was on gun rights. Do you think Trump would have gone forward with his ban? Why did Trump go forward? Because gun owners were gargling Trump's balls and saying "well, if it was the Democrats. It would be ARs and not bumpstocks being banned. They're just silly range toys and I can kill shit out at 1,000 yards anyways." Gun owners sent a message to Trump through their apathy that they approved of his actions and the end result was gun control. Furthermore, Trump went and championed Red Flag Laws and Republicans across thr country passed it into laws in their states. And the very people targeted by it kept right on gargling Trump's balls. Whe. It was time to be critical of Trump so he understood he fucked up, his loyalists told those that were concerned about him going wrong on the 2A to shut the fuck up. We disagree about a great many things, but this isn’t one of them. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 11:00:50 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Stop voting for the shit birds the machine puts up on the ballot. A good rule of thumb is if the TV is telling you someone is ‘electable’, that person is guaranteed to be a statist shit bird. We are losing anyways, so stop playing the fucking game and get involved locally. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: More empty words and idealistic bullshit. How do we not "let it be"? I want a clear drawn out plan by you explaining how we can all follow Honda4828's guidance and make America better. Why did Trump go forward? Because gun owners were gargling Trump's balls and saying "well, if it was the Democrats. It would be ARs and not bumpstocks being banned. They're just silly range toys and I can kill shit out at 1,000 yards anyways." Gun owners sent a message to Trump through their apathy that they approved of his actions and the end result was gun control. Furthermore, Trump went and championed Red Flag Laws and Republicans across thr country passed it into laws in their states. And the very people targeted by it kept right on gargling Trump's balls. Whe. It was time to be critical of Trump so he understood he fucked up, his loyalists told those that were concerned about him going wrong on the 2A to shut the fuck up. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/1zvslystz4-7.gif Still waiting for Honda's plan on how we stop "letting it be" the lesser of two evils. Miamijbt, try not to answer this question that is addressed to Honda4828. Stop voting for the shit birds the machine puts up on the ballot. A good rule of thumb is if the TV is telling you someone is ‘electable’, that person is guaranteed to be a statist shit bird. We are losing anyways, so stop playing the fucking game and get involved locally. Meanwhile the left shows up and now they get handed a landslide. GREAT PLAN. Now this is where you justify yourself by creating some bullshit statement where there's no difference between Trump or Biden. Like I said. Empty words and idealistic bullshit. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 11:02:22 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Link to the actual filing https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/20519858/3-22-21-sidney-powell-defending-the-republic-motion-to-dismiss-dominion.pdf Media statement from her lawyers https://www.kraken-wood.com/pdf/HK.MEDIA.STATEMENT.3.23.21.pdf Click To View Spoiler The rest of the board hasn't been notified of this? Kinda proves my point, the big brains talking shit without knowing the truth. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 11:03:53 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To all three or so of you who continue to insist that pointing out Trump's shortcomings means that we are rejoicing in a Biden victory: Stop it. Get help. Here are a few more random thoughts I had about the Trump Presidency: Like many others, I was completely elated when he won unexpectedly in 2016. I can't tell you how many times I watched the YouTube videos of "Trump can't win" culminated with the networks calling the election for him. The sweetest was probably watching the election night broadcast summary from "The Young Turks". Nothing sweeter than seeing Cenk Uygur blowing his lid. Then there were some kick-ass cabinet appointments. Remember when Mattis became SecDef? The tax cut. The way Trump just stuck it in the eye of the left at every opportunity and not giving a crap about their screeching. His foreign policy initiatives were right-on in many cases, ditto his SCOTUS appointments. At some point in time though, reality set in. Look back at ALL the people that quit on him. Sure - you can claim that *some* of them were "traitors" but the turnover in the administration was nothing short of breathtaking. Then his reflexive lies. I know that the liberal media were out to get him and some of them were nuanced, but let's be honest: He routinely lied his ass off. At some point in time, that takes a toll and it never let up. His complete ineptitude handling Corona. Instead of handing off the crisis to experts, he was out front and center so he could get his face time and it turned out to be an unprecedented disaster. I think it really hit me that he wasn't in it "for us" when he decided to run for reelection. He had won a stunning upset, but everyone could see the writing on the wall that the MSM would so demonize him that it would be next to impossible to win reelection, especially when you throw in the liberals who were PISSED and sure to turn out en masse. He could have gone out on top, handed the reins over to someone viable in the 2020 election, but the fact that he ran for reelection anyway told me more than many other decisions he made. I find myself in almost complete agreement with this. His win over Hillary was spectacular and he did start off fairly well. However, I never believed his campaign or presidency was about anything other than himself. That's the nature of a celebrity, which he is at his core. That said, most politicians are self-serving narcissists so it's not like he was that different from them. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 11:05:02 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To all three or so of you who continue to insist that pointing out Trump's shortcomings means that we are rejoicing in a Biden victory: Stop it. Get help. Here are a few more random thoughts I had about the Trump Presidency: Like many others, I was completely elated when he won unexpectedly in 2016. I can't tell you how many times I watched the YouTube videos of "Trump can't win" culminated with the networks calling the election for him. The sweetest was probably watching the election night broadcast summary from "The Young Turks". Nothing sweeter than seeing Cenk Uygur blowing his lid. Then there were some kick-ass cabinet appointments. Remember when Mattis became SecDef? The tax cut. The way Trump just stuck it in the eye of the left at every opportunity and not giving a crap about their screeching. His foreign policy initiatives were right-on in many cases, ditto his SCOTUS appointments. At some point in time though, reality set in. Look back at ALL the people that quit on him. Sure - you can claim that *some* of them were "traitors" but the turnover in the administration was nothing short of breathtaking. Then his reflexive lies. I know that the liberal media were out to get him and some of them were nuanced, but let's be honest: He routinely lied his ass off. At some point in time, that takes a toll and it never let up. His complete ineptitude handling Corona. Instead of handing off the crisis to experts, he was out front and center so he could get his face time and it turned out to be an unprecedented disaster. I think it really hit me that he wasn't in it "for us" when he decided to run for reelection. He had won a stunning upset, but everyone could see the writing on the wall that the MSM would so demonize him that it would be next to impossible to win reelection, especially when you throw in the liberals who were PISSED and sure to turn out en masse. He could have gone out on top, handed the reins over to someone viable in the 2020 election, but the fact that he ran for reelection anyway told me more than many other decisions he made. Trump was never about anyone but Trump. It wasn’t 87-D chess, or a stable genius, or any of that bullshit that the sycophants pushed. He was a reality TV star with a monumental ego, stroking that ego on the world’s biggest stage. Congratulations, the US government is now a reality TV show. That’s just super. It’s amazing to me that he listened to smart people long enough to push a bunch of federal judges and a couple of SCOTUS justices into place. The quality of those decisions will be seen over time. What he did do was lay waste to all infrastructure to opposing the democrats. He literally went scorched earth and replaced it with nothing. That will have long term bad effects. His most important trait? He wasn’t Hillary Clinton. That Trump won is a monument to how much that hag was hated. Many fucks be upon her. I actually doubt the notion that “nobody but Trump could have beaten her”, but the truth is, it was what it was, and we’ll never know. The long term implications of a Trump victory may be that the Democrats reign supreme for the indeterminate future. That’s not a good thing. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 11:07:55 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Better question is: What did Trump actually DO about the "Swamp"? Nothing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Then why did the Swamp hate him so much??? I realize a lot of people in this thread have always hated Trump............the Swamp did also. Better question is: What did Trump actually DO about the "Swamp"? Nothing. One thing he did was sign an EO to prohibit government employees from lobbying in their area of expertise for 5 years (but rescinded that just before he left office). The Swamp fought him every step of the way in so many areas that it was unbelievable. If he sneezed without covering his mouth they would have probably called that an "impeachable offense". In the end, I believe the Swamp is just too deep and powerful for one man to defeat it. YMMV. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 11:08:17 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That strategy is what gives leftist a way into our community to sow seeds of doubt and chaos. It will assuredly cause division worse than it already is. Don't fall into the trap of being critical to the point of destroying your own political power. Thats what nevertrumpers are all about anyhow, destroying political power and causing division. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: More empty words and idealistic bullshit. How do we not "let it be"? I want a clear drawn out plan by you explaining how we can all follow Honda4828's guidance and make America better. Why did Trump go forward? Because gun owners were gargling Trump's balls and saying "well, if it was the Democrats. It would be ARs and not bumpstocks being banned. They're just silly range toys and I can kill shit out at 1,000 yards anyways." Gun owners sent a message to Trump through their apathy that they approved of his actions and the end result was gun control. Furthermore, Trump went and championed Red Flag Laws and Republicans across thr country passed it into laws in their states. And the very people targeted by it kept right on gargling Trump's balls. Whe. It was time to be critical of Trump so he understood he fucked up, his loyalists told those that were concerned about him going wrong on the 2A to shut the fuck up. That strategy is what gives leftist a way into our community to sow seeds of doubt and chaos. It will assuredly cause division worse than it already is. Don't fall into the trap of being critical to the point of destroying your own political power. Thats what nevertrumpers are all about anyhow, destroying political power and causing division. {That's over the top. Stop it. - Z} |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 11:09:30 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, we know this how? Because more Republicans would have voted? More Republicans voted in the Presidential Election and it didn't matter. The Dems were rigging it before the Run-off Election with like 1.8 million mail-in votes before the run-off That was their point. Unless we fix the problems, it will be the same thing over and over. You have the Whitehouse surrounded by troops and fencing, our Southern Border being overrun, a city still on fire, toilet paper starting to become more valuable than the dollar. kid phuckers in the Whitehouse, etc. When is it going to sink in Based on your join date "it" probably sunk into my mind before you were born. 
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Posted: 3/24/2021 11:09:35 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To all three or so of you who continue to insist that pointing out Trump's shortcomings means that we are rejoicing in a Biden victory: Stop it. Get help. Here are a few more random thoughts I had about the Trump Presidency: Like many others, I was completely elated when he won unexpectedly in 2016. I can't tell you how many times I watched the YouTube videos of "Trump can't win" culminated with the networks calling the election for him. The sweetest was probably watching the election night broadcast summary from "The Young Turks". Nothing sweeter than seeing Cenk Uygur blowing his lid. Then there were some kick-ass cabinet appointments. Remember when Mattis became SecDef? The tax cut. The way Trump just stuck it in the eye of the left at every opportunity and not giving a crap about their screeching. His foreign policy initiatives were right-on in many cases, ditto his SCOTUS appointments. At some point in time though, reality set in. Look back at ALL the people that quit on him. Sure - you can claim that *some* of them were "traitors" but the turnover in the administration was nothing short of breathtaking. Then his reflexive lies. I know that the liberal media were out to get him and some of them were nuanced, but let's be honest: He routinely lied his ass off. At some point in time, that takes a toll and it never let up. His complete ineptitude handling Corona. Instead of handing off the crisis to experts, he was out front and center so he could get his face time and it turned out to be an unprecedented disaster. I think it really hit me that he wasn't in it "for us" when he decided to run for reelection. He had won a stunning upset, but everyone could see the writing on the wall that the MSM would so demonize him that it would be next to impossible to win reelection, especially when you throw in the liberals who were PISSED and sure to turn out en masse. He could have gone out on top, handed the reins over to someone viable in the 2020 election, but the fact that he ran for reelection anyway told me more than many other decisions he made. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 11:11:11 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I find myself in almost complete agreement with this. His win over Hillary was spectacular and he did start off fairly well. However, I never believed his campaign or presidency was about anything other than himself. That's the nature of a celebrity, which he is at his core. That said, most politicians are self-serving narcissists so it's not like he was that different from them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: To all three or so of you who continue to insist that pointing out Trump's shortcomings means that we are rejoicing in a Biden victory: Stop it. Get help. Here are a few more random thoughts I had about the Trump Presidency: Like many others, I was completely elated when he won unexpectedly in 2016. I can't tell you how many times I watched the YouTube videos of "Trump can't win" culminated with the networks calling the election for him. The sweetest was probably watching the election night broadcast summary from "The Young Turks". Nothing sweeter than seeing Cenk Uygur blowing his lid. Then there were some kick-ass cabinet appointments. Remember when Mattis became SecDef? The tax cut. The way Trump just stuck it in the eye of the left at every opportunity and not giving a crap about their screeching. His foreign policy initiatives were right-on in many cases, ditto his SCOTUS appointments. At some point in time though, reality set in. Look back at ALL the people that quit on him. Sure - you can claim that *some* of them were "traitors" but the turnover in the administration was nothing short of breathtaking. Then his reflexive lies. I know that the liberal media were out to get him and some of them were nuanced, but let's be honest: He routinely lied his ass off. At some point in time, that takes a toll and it never let up. His complete ineptitude handling Corona. Instead of handing off the crisis to experts, he was out front and center so he could get his face time and it turned out to be an unprecedented disaster. I think it really hit me that he wasn't in it "for us" when he decided to run for reelection. He had won a stunning upset, but everyone could see the writing on the wall that the MSM would so demonize him that it would be next to impossible to win reelection, especially when you throw in the liberals who were PISSED and sure to turn out en masse. He could have gone out on top, handed the reins over to someone viable in the 2020 election, but the fact that he ran for reelection anyway told me more than many other decisions he made. I find myself in almost complete agreement with this. His win over Hillary was spectacular and he did start off fairly well. However, I never believed his campaign or presidency was about anything other than himself. That's the nature of a celebrity, which he is at his core. That said, most politicians are self-serving narcissists so it's not like he was that different from them. Here you go Zhukov. Speaking of people who were rejoicing in a Biden victory why don't you count how many laughing emojis this "guy" posted in the days following election night. If you (Zhukov) choose to lump yourself in with guys like this then that's on you. I can only speak for myself but I clearly make a distinction between people being justifiably critical of Trump and trolls. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 11:11:25 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And look where that has gotten us. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I will say this for the BILLIONTH time.......it is ALWAYS the lesser of two evils..........ALWAYS!!! EVERY election is/was about the "lesser of two evils." That's true for the election in 1789, and it's true in 2020. When we convince ourselves that OUR candidate is not the lesser of two evil, is when we see a Cult of Personality creep in. And THAT has certainly played a role in recent elections. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 11:16:41 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Here you go Zhukov. Speaking of people who were rejoicing in a Biden victory why don't you count how many laughing emojis this "guy" posted in the days following election night. If you (Zhukov) choose to lump yourself in with guys like this then that's on you. I can only speak for myself but I clearly make a distinction between people being justifiably critical of Trump and trolls. Links? |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 11:17:06 AM EDT
[#47]
Per Sydney Powell: She is going forward with her court case and this entire thread was BS based on Fake News.
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Posted: 3/24/2021 11:18:30 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Based on your join date "it" probably sunk into my mind before you were born. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yes, we know this how? Because more Republicans would have voted? More Republicans voted in the Presidential Election and it didn't matter. The Dems were rigging it before the Run-off Election with like 1.8 million mail-in votes before the run-off That was their point. Unless we fix the problems, it will be the same thing over and over. You have the Whitehouse surrounded by troops and fencing, our Southern Border being overrun, a city still on fire, toilet paper starting to become more valuable than the dollar. kid phuckers in the Whitehouse, etc. When is it going to sink in Based on your join date "it" probably sunk into my mind before you were born. No, you're one of the more level-headed people here; I shut my account down back in 2014 after the SHES folks turned this place into a shit show. I started lurking again a few years ago when the Clinton_Voters were spouting their B_S. |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 11:18:52 AM EDT
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I disagree.
He opened a lot of eyes about just how bad, evil, and corrupt the swamp really is. He did a lot of good, he talked freely and openly, stood up for the country and morale, boosted the economy and crushed unemployment. His mere holding of the office as an outsider drew out the full hate of the system, how much and how often they lie, and how they have academia and the obsequious media completely enamored.; that Republicans are little more than role players assigned to portray some obligatory modicum of opposition. I no longer view my country the same way I used to. I mean, I knew it wasn't peaches and love and light of course, but now it looks like we're about two steps away from East Germany of the '50s |
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Posted: 3/24/2021 11:20:26 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL.... the REPUBLICANS IN THE SENATE TOLD HIM GUN CONTROL WAS A NO GO AND HE DID IT HIMSELF. {That's over the top. Stop it. - Z} Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: More empty words and idealistic bullshit. How do we not "let it be"? I want a clear drawn out plan by you explaining how we can all follow Honda4828's guidance and make America better. Why did Trump go forward? Because gun owners were gargling Trump's balls and saying "well, if it was the Democrats. It would be ARs and not bumpstocks being banned. They're just silly range toys and I can kill shit out at 1,000 yards anyways." Gun owners sent a message to Trump through their apathy that they approved of his actions and the end result was gun control. Furthermore, Trump went and championed Red Flag Laws and Republicans across thr country passed it into laws in their states. And the very people targeted by it kept right on gargling Trump's balls. Whe. It was time to be critical of Trump so he understood he fucked up, his loyalists told those that were concerned about him going wrong on the 2A to shut the fuck up. That strategy is what gives leftist a way into our community to sow seeds of doubt and chaos. It will assuredly cause division worse than it already is. Don't fall into the trap of being critical to the point of destroying your own political power. Thats what nevertrumpers are all about anyhow, destroying political power and causing division. {That's over the top. Stop it. - Z} 
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