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Link Posted: 6/23/2020 12:09:33 PM EST
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Systematic racism is very real.
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 12:11:26 PM EST
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If "systemic racism" does exist, it can easily be overcome by "Content Of Your Character".
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 12:18:47 PM EST
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It's a fake religion.

Just like you are supposed to recognize your micro-aggression and unconscious biases (neither of which of course, you can perceive, understand, or get rid of) and repent and the only way to repent is to accept the word of the rest of the cult about it.

Modern librulism is very close to a cult.
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 12:19:41 PM EST
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Here's the REAL answer(s) regarding "systemic racism".

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BOOM!
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 12:21:54 PM EST
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The explanations I hear on NPR usually involve equity.

I've been seeing that phrase pop up more and more on Facebook, and they blame systemic racism as the cause for lack of equity. They don't necessarily have proof, they just present demographics of CEOs, incarceration rates, etc and think systemic racism explains it all.

Expect reparations, taxes, social programs, free school for blacks, etc if we have majority democrat rule anytime soon.
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They are talking Equality of Outcomes, not Equality of Opportunity, and can't see the difference.

They expect the average Black American to own the same home, have the same retirement, have the same Job/Salary, etc....as their White counterpart.

But you'll never see them address how one group went to school, worked hard for what they have, deferred spending (saved/invested), and the other group minimized schooling, expected a paycheck for being of their ethnic group rather than the work they did, spent rather than saved.  

Interesting how it's 'White Privilege', yet Asian descent individuals do as well (if not better) than their White Counterparts.
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 12:22:27 PM EST
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How could a democratic republic that suffers from "Systemic Racism" not once but TWICE elect a black man to President a decade prior?
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 12:23:22 PM EST
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I’ve seen systemic racism in person.  It’s in the form of EEO laws and 9/10 times it’s against white people, mostly men.
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 12:24:31 PM EST
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Affirmative action is systemic racism, it assumes that people need government supplied societal subsidies beyond their per capita representation because of their race or ethnicity...that’s both xenophobic and racist.
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Link Posted: 6/23/2020 12:25:18 PM EST
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Explained | Racial Wealth Gap | FULL EPISODE | Netflix
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 12:26:20 PM EST
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I have been racking my brain, researching and listening to a variety of "experts" trying to determine what systemic racism is and where it resides. Is it in the criminal justice system, education, financial, employment, where is it so obvious and intentional that we are classifying it as "systemic." What are some examples? And then it suddenly occurred to me that those who advocate that systemic racism does exist are right, it does exist and they are the systemic racism. Their advocacy of this false narrative that racism is the primary obstacle to people of color has caused them to judge various groups of people and organizations, not by the content of their character but by the color of their skin and thier association with organizations such as the police and almost all conservative people and entities. Until those in positions of influence and authority in these communities decide enough is enough and quit using racism as the excuse for poor behavior and decisions, this will continue and the country will continue to pour resources into these false narratives with no change. All the while, actual racism will build in the hearts of those who already have had enough.

By the way, the anarchists are loving the systemic racists who they use to advance their anti-American causes.

Boy are they "woke", like raging meth heads they're woke!
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Why are you pretending you don’t know? The systemic racism is Affirmative Action.
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 1:56:42 PM EST
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Lol.

Cory Booker?  You have got to be fucking kidding me. More poor me bullshit gimmie gimmie gimmie.

Word salad of racial buzzwords and some charts is not proof there is systemic racism NOW.
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 1:58:59 PM EST
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Here's the REAL answer(s) regarding "systemic racism".

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Interesting.

And from 2017.
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 1:59:03 PM EST
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They are talking Equality of Outcomes, not Equality of Opportunity, and can't see the difference.

They expect the average Black American to own the same home, have the same retirement, have the same Job/Salary, etc....as their White counterpart.

But you'll never see them address how one group went to school, worked hard for what they have, deferred spending (saved/invested), and the other group minimized schooling, expected a paycheck for being of their ethnic group rather than the work they did, spent rather than saved.  

Interesting how it's 'White Privilege', yet Asian descent individuals do as well (if not better) than their White Counterparts.
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Tagged for later.
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 3:57:26 PM EST
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Lol.

Cory Booker?  You have got to be fucking kidding me. More poor me bullshit gimmie gimmie gimmie.

Word salad of racial buzzwords and some charts is not proof there is systemic racism NOW.
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Refute the point rather than just responding to the pic. Lazy.
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 4:02:02 PM EST
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The only answers I’ve gotten to the “systemic racism” question are anecdotal/isolated examples of individual actions which COULD POSSIBLY be construed as racist.

My brother-in-law is falling into this BS lately and when I challenged him on it his only response is that he’s seen it himself when his black buddy got taken down for “dancing crazy” at a club. Yeah, it couldn’t possibly be that he was doing stupid shit while drunk, it was that the cop was racist and just wanted to fuck with a black guy.
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 4:03:21 PM EST
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you mean sober law abiding responsible folks of any color

FACT ASIANS DISLIKE URBAN  BLACKS, Latinos & HISPANICS  DISLIKE URBAN  BLACKS

i POINT OUT THE URBAN PART BECAUSE THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RURAL SOUTHERN BLACKS & THE NORTHERN URBAN BLACKS.
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It's code for "uppity white people," nothing more.


you mean sober law abiding responsible folks of any color

FACT ASIANS DISLIKE URBAN  BLACKS, Latinos & HISPANICS  DISLIKE URBAN  BLACKS

i POINT OUT THE URBAN PART BECAUSE THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RURAL SOUTHERN BLACKS & THE NORTHERN URBAN BLACKS.

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Link Posted: 6/23/2020 4:10:31 PM EST
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The end result of all of this bullshit ironically, will be a explosion of actual white  anti black racism.
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 4:11:02 PM EST
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Refute the point rather than just responding to the pic. Lazy.
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I don’t have the time or interest in watching that whole thing. We all understand that there USED TO BE racism, all of the examples I saw skimming that video were 50+ year old references to what used to be. What are the current examples of systemic racism?

ETA - That video also pushes the commie stance of equal outcomes which is only achievable if we all worked as hard, which we don’t. Equal opportunity should be the goal, equal outcomes is a pipe dream by people who dream of utopian societies which are far from realistic.
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 4:19:31 PM EST
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I hope you're kidding me.
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 4:26:03 PM EST
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Systemic Racism comes from the people who are members of the Religion of Equality.

Many people have been brainwashed to actually believe that humans (homo sapiens - a biological animal with genes like all other animals) are born as blank slates and genetics have no bearing on what they will do or how they end up in life.

So for example, you have certain people who are naturally talented in athletics and represent the majority of professional athletes - you hear of no bitching of systemic racism keeping Asians being underrepresented in the NBA or NFL.

Yet, the flip side of that coin, if you have Asians over represented in Ivy League schools..... Well, son of a bitch, this fucking country is racist now.

The system is inherently racist.

A true meritocracy will end up showing "systemic racism" because it exists in the natural world.
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 4:28:39 PM EST
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The end result of all of this bullshit ironically, will be a explosion of actual white  anti black racism.
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Not ironic at all.... part of the plan.
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 4:32:59 PM EST
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Refute the point rather than just responding to the pic. Lazy.
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Lol.

Cory Booker?  You have got to be fucking kidding me. More poor me bullshit gimmie gimmie gimmie.

Word salad of racial buzzwords and some charts is not proof there is systemic racism NOW.


Refute the point rather than just responding to the pic. Lazy.

The point is laughable.  I didn't get handed a pile of cash due to my whiteness.  The percent of the population that applies to isn't worth discussing in the big picture.

My granddad grew up poor in the south but worked an honest living that got my dad into college and he got himself a better job.  From poverty to success in two generations.  The biggest things that both my dad and I got that have made us successful are:
- A two parent household
- A work ethic
- A sense of respect
- Pronounceable names

Those aren't expensive things to give your kids.
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 4:39:38 PM EST
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The premise presented is entirely reliant on FHA not insuring ghettos where high crime, social unrest, and statistically greater loan defaults exist. Thats not racism, thats a community lacking introspection and honesty. Its bullshit.
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 4:40:36 PM EST
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Systematic racism is very real.
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Give us some examples.
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 4:47:07 PM EST
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Give us some examples.
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Systematic racism is very real.

Give us some examples.








Link Posted: 6/23/2020 4:48:18 PM EST
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Refute the point rather than just responding to the pic. Lazy.
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You didn't make a point.

You posted a video of typical "well my great granpappy wuz kangs and got slaved! Daz why we failure! Gimmie moneys" horseshit.

You made no argument. You posted propaganda.
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 4:49:45 PM EST
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I don't have the time or interest in watching that whole thing. We all understand that there USED TO BE racism, all of the examples I saw skimming that video were 50+ year old references to what used to be. What are the current examples of systemic racism?

ETA - That video also pushes the commie stance of equal outcomes which is only achievable if we all worked as hard, which we don't. Equal opportunity should be the goal, equal outcomes is a pipe dream by people who dream of utopian societies which are far from realistic.
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He won't understand your point. If he had an argument, that the video said something concrete that proved systemic racism exists, he could have simply said so.
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 4:50:13 PM EST
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systemic racism is when a white person goes to jail for a DUI and has to join the skin head gang so you don't get killed by the large population of blacks in prison.
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 4:58:58 PM EST
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Systemic racism is a made up grievance by marxists. The good old go-to divisive narrative of class warfare wasn't working in the US as well as they would like. Too much prosperity all around and too much involvement in capital markets by the middle class. Arguing for "eat the rich" and "capitalism is evil" found a few sympathetic ears but overall was pretty much a dud. But marxist are resourceful bastards and they have many ways to destabilize a society. They figured racial division would be more effective than class. Thus "systemic racism" and "white privilege" were born. The beauty of these as per usual with commies is that there is no need to prove they exist, they are just assumed as axiomatic dogma. Also, there is no fixing them as they are declared inherent so that as long as there is a system there's "systemic racism" and as long as there are white people there's "white privilege". These are tools to destroy what exists and force a violent power takeover to create what they want instead. Communist tyranny.
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 5:01:56 PM EST
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Link Posted: 6/23/2020 5:04:24 PM EST
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I think there are laws that we have on the books that were written to hurt minorities, and there are laws that disproportionately impact them, but neither of those things is true in quite the way the left would like.  The laws written to hurt them that come to mind are the Minimum Wage and Gun Control.  Both were explicitly developed to hurt minorities - the minimum wage to keep them from getting jobs employers were “certain” to want a white person for if they had to pay a higher wage, and gun control as it started to stop them from defending themselves (plenty of examples, MLK being one where a firearm was staged in every room in his home just in case).

The laws that disproportionately impact them aren’t the things Obama went after (like banking standards), but are laws to police mundane behavior - selling single cigarettes or other silly nanny-stating, zoning laws (also a racist invention) that make it hard to build in ailing minority areas, occupational licenses or barriers (think taxi medallions) that make it hard to start a business, the end of the old residence hotel model that provided cheap and decent boarding for the poor but were axed to keep the “undesirables” out, LBJ’s welfare state that makes single-motherhood economically advantageous, pushing inner-city parents into failing public schools that might as well be segregated, and opposing any reform to give those poor parents another choice for their kids, even disbanding the police, as is being stupidly suggested, would hurt the people in poor and hurting areas far more than the wealthier suburbs - which would just do what they want under a new name.  ETA: and the end of State Mental Hospitals, putting the patently insane and people incapable of helping themselves in the streets, most likely to end up in poor areas due to the rich and middle class not tolerating them, and blighting and hurting minority areas.  Should have been reformed, not abolished.

Meaning, really, the Democratic Party still is advancing heinously racist policies developed specifically to hurt minority communities while pretending the impacts have changed.  When they haven’t.  I’m not saying the people behind “Fight for Fifteen” or whatnot are making the same old racist arguments or are racists, just that the policy still hurts the people it was developed to hurt, and does the exact opposite of what they want it to do.  Sadly, the Republicans can’t seem to articulate that, and make things look terrible to the people they would help.  So it goes.
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 5:08:08 PM EST
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Nevermind
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 5:11:42 PM EST
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Interesting.

And from 2017.
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Here's the REAL answer(s) regarding "systemic racism".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phPXTWJhnYM


Interesting.

And from 2017.

@Sirveaux
I think that interview was actually in 2015.

So yeah, this "systemic racism" BS has been going on for a bit longer than I realized.
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 5:17:07 PM EST
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... the minimum wage to keep them from getting jobs employers were “certain” to want a white person for if they had to pay a higher wage...
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Not following this, can you explain?
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 5:25:53 PM EST
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@Sirveaux
I think that interview was actually in 2015.

So yeah, this "systemic racism" BS has been going on for a bit longer than I realized.
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The term was coined by some Marxists in the late 60s, and basically comes down to "the entire system this country was created on is the product of racist whites, therefore it should all be thrown out and replaced with Marxism"
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 5:28:46 PM EST
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The term was coined by some Marxists in the late 60s, and basically comes down to "the entire system this country was created on is the product of racist whites, therefore it should all be thrown out and replaced with Marxism"
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@Sirveaux
I think that interview was actually in 2015.

So yeah, this "systemic racism" BS has been going on for a bit longer than I realized.

The term was coined by some Marxists in the late 60s, and basically comes down to "the entire system this country was created on is the product of racist whites, therefore it should all be thrown out and replaced with Marxism"

I'm aware. But it hasn't been in the "mainstream" for years, even decades at this point.

My point was that I guess it was regaining some prominance in the current context as far back as 2015.
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 5:39:50 PM EST
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Assume you’re a racist who believes blacks are inherently lazy and incapable of good work.  If you have to pay that “lazy” person the same wage as an “obviously superior” white person, you won’t hire them.  Also applied to the Chinese - they couldn’t “outwork” the white man, but they could “underlive” him, ie live more cheaply and thus charge less.

That was the original argument.  Same with the argument for the government hiring only Union workers for contracts - the Unions, once upon a time, were white and excluded blacks, so hiring Union was hiring only white people.

Today it means that unskilled workers from poor backgrounds have trouble getting the skill to get a decent job - poor people can’t really afford unpaid internships, and if they can’t get into something like that, they may be considered unqualified for higher work.  Or they may not have skills, but can’t work for cheap somewhere (because of minimum wage) where they can learn skills and eventually earn more money, so they get stuck in low-wage positions with little opportunity for growth since employers often want someone with training before they hire them.  

If you have to pay $15 an hour for a burger flipper, you’ll want a damn good burger flipper.  You don’t want a pimply kid from High School, and you definitely don’t want someone from a poor background without the normal skills you’d expect someone starting a job, even that basic, to have.  It’s sad but true that a lot of the things we assume normal people know aren’t known in poorer quarters.  If you could start someone out at a low wage and pay them more as they prove themselves, there would be opportunities for people with fewer skills to learn on the job, and an employer could hire more employees knowing some might not work out, but willing to figure out who will because the cost will be less.  Making the barrier to entry higher will just keep some people from getting much (or sometimes any) of a job.
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 5:44:55 PM EST
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Systemic racism exists in the form of affirmative action, bonus points/preferential treatment on college and job applications, and tax dollars handed out for "community assistance."

It's being arrested for defending yourself from a mob of the privileged class, with your other option being robbed and/or beaten for the color of your skin while the cops smile and wave.

It's growing up going to schools where you have to quietly take the bullying from kids who idolize thugs and gangsters, because teachers will not discipline them in any sort of meaningful way even if you show the marks of the beating, but you know you'd be walked out in handcuffs if you fought back and crushed the bully like you easily could.
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 6:24:12 PM EST
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I think there are laws that we have on the books that were written to hurt minorities, and there are laws that disproportionately impact them, but neither of those things is true in quite the way the left would like.  The laws written to hurt them that come to mind are the Minimum Wage and Gun Control.  Both were explicitly developed to hurt minorities - the minimum wage to keep them from getting jobs employers were “certain” to want a white person for if they had to pay a higher wage, and gun control as it started to stop them from defending themselves (plenty of examples, MLK being one where a firearm was staged in every room in his home just in case).

The laws that disproportionately impact them aren’t the things Obama went after (like banking standards), but are laws to police mundane behavior - selling single cigarettes or other silly nanny-stating, zoning laws (also a racist invention) that make it hard to build in ailing minority areas, occupational licenses or barriers (think taxi medallions) that make it hard to start a business, the end of the old residence hotel model that provided cheap and decent boarding for the poor but were axed to keep the “undesirables” out, LBJ’s welfare state that makes single-motherhood economically advantageous, pushing inner-city parents into failing public schools that might as well be segregated, and opposing any reform to give those poor parents another choice for their kids, even disbanding the police, as is being stupidly suggested, would hurt the people in poor and hurting areas far more than the wealthier suburbs - which would just do what they want under a new name.  ETA: and the end of State Mental Hospitals, putting the patently insane and people incapable of helping themselves in the streets, most likely to end up in poor areas due to the rich and middle class not tolerating them, and blighting and hurting minority areas.  Should have been reformed, not abolished.

Meaning, really, the Democratic Party still is advancing heinously racist policies developed specifically to hurt minority communities while pretending the impacts have changed.  When they haven’t.  I’m not saying the people behind “Fight for Fifteen” or whatnot are making the same old racist arguments or are racists, just that the policy still hurts the people it was developed to hurt, and does the exact opposite of what they want it to do.  Sadly, the Republicans can’t seem to articulate that, and make things look terrible to the people they would help.  So it goes.
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All bullshit.  The laws are the same for everyone.  If a law "impacts" a group of people, it's because they choose not to obey it.  That's the fault of THEIR behavior, not the law.  You're making excuses for them, and that is exactly what "racism" is.
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 6:31:17 PM EST
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Systemic Racism comes from the people who are members of the Religion of Equality.

Many people have been brainwashed to actually believe that humans (homo sapiens - a biological animal with genes like all other animals) are born as blank slates and genetics have no bearing on what they will do or how they end up in life.

So for example, you have certain people who are naturally talented in athletics and represent the majority of professional athletes - you hear of no bitching of systemic racism keeping Asians being underrepresented in the NBA or NFL.

Yet, the flip side of that coin, if you have Asians over represented in Ivy League schools..... Well, son of a bitch, this fucking country is racist now.

The system is inherently racist.

A true meritocracy will end up showing "systemic racism" because it exists in the natural world.
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It isn't racism if a group under performs given the same opportunity.
I didn't go to college until I was 28. I worked 40 hour weeks, and was a full time student and paid my way. I saw poor folks in classes that had federal programs that made it possible for them to go to college almost free. By the time I graduated, most of them were gone. Some because they weren't able to handle the classes, some because they didn't apply themselves to get good grades. I knew I needed to bust my ass, and had real skin in the game.
Equal opportunity does not equate to equal outcome.
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All bullshit.  The laws are the same for everyone.  If a law "impacts" a group of people, it's because they choose not to obey it.  That's the fault of THEIR behavior, not the law.  You're making excuses for them, and that is exactly what "racism" is.
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Read the history, it’s all there.  The laws were written to keep poor people poor, to make it hard for minorities to move up, and more.  “The laws are the same for everyone”, but if you aren’t looking at being a hair braider or Taxi Driver, you won’t care about the costs of becoming one.  If you have a functioning family and were taught how to act, you won’t need a poorly-paying job to gain the skills needed for higher paying jobs.  The government is explicitly making a barrier for those things.  And those barriers were primarily designed to hurt minorities by the old segregationists.  Bad laws enforced fairly are still bad laws.  If you oppose even getting rid of Democratic priorities that hurt minorities, how the heck do you expect to convince more people to vote Republican?  It’s not pandering to eliminate bad laws.  It’s not throwing money at someone to eliminate government-imposed barriers to success.  These are things Conservatives traditionally opposed, how is pointing out both the true history and the true impact wrong?
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"systematic racism" is part of the original sin of the religion of progressivism.

You cannot escape it because you were born with it, and the only way to mitigate it is to spend every waking moment obsessing over black people.

It's actually a brilliant (but quite despicable) creation. There's no actual points to address, thus no ability to actually fix their alleged problems, and absolutely no end point.
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This is a big part of it. Its also an article of faith that they go back to when data disproves that there is any racism-"Blacks may have lots of advantages in the forms of things like affirmative action, but what about systemic racism?!!". Its purposefully vague and undefined so that it cant be refuted, usually using some obscure stats that dont really mean much. Its one of the reasons why news stories about rare white on black incidents are blasted over the media, to fulfill cognitive bias supporting "systemic racism"
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Read the history, it’s all there.  The laws were written to keep poor people poor, to make it hard for minorities to move up, and more.  “The laws are the same for everyone”, but if you aren’t looking at being a hair braider or Taxi Driver, you won’t care about the costs of becoming one.  If you have a functioning family and were taught how to act, you won’t need a poorly-paying job to gain the skills needed for higher paying jobs.  The government is explicitly making a barrier for those things.  And those barriers were primarily designed to hurt minorities by the old segregationists.  Bad laws enforced fairly are still bad laws.  If you oppose even getting rid of Democratic priorities that hurt minorities, how the heck do you expect to convince more people to vote Republican?  It’s not pandering to eliminate bad laws.  It’s not throwing money at someone to eliminate government-imposed barriers to success.  These are things Conservatives traditionally opposed, how is pointing out both the true history and the true impact wrong?
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All bullshit.  The laws are the same for everyone.  If a law "impacts" a group of people, it's because they choose not to obey it.  That's the fault of THEIR behavior, not the law.  You're making excuses for them, and that is exactly what "racism" is.

Read the history, it’s all there.  The laws were written to keep poor people poor, to make it hard for minorities to move up, and more.  “The laws are the same for everyone”, but if you aren’t looking at being a hair braider or Taxi Driver, you won’t care about the costs of becoming one.  If you have a functioning family and were taught how to act, you won’t need a poorly-paying job to gain the skills needed for higher paying jobs.  The government is explicitly making a barrier for those things.  And those barriers were primarily designed to hurt minorities by the old segregationists.  Bad laws enforced fairly are still bad laws.  If you oppose even getting rid of Democratic priorities that hurt minorities, how the heck do you expect to convince more people to vote Republican?  It’s not pandering to eliminate bad laws.  It’s not throwing money at someone to eliminate government-imposed barriers to success.  These are things Conservatives traditionally opposed, how is pointing out both the true history and the true impact wrong?


It's not pandering to get rid of bad laws, and I'm all for it.  It's pandering to say that a law unfairly impacts a group of people because their skin is a different color.   The government has nothing to do with determining whether you have a functioning family or not.   What barriers is the government making that apply only to minorities? Saying that they exist does not make it so.
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 7:50:30 PM EST
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Systemic Racisim,white supremacy, etc., it's all bullshit to fan the flames of division.  Not just blacks ,every nationality that emigrated to America experienced racism.  Polish, Italian, Irish, Jews etc.  Most started in the ghettos or poor sections but eventually rose up based on overcoming prejudice by hard work, basic morals, values, personal responsibility and embracing opportunity.  Nobody owes you anything and if you want something you need to work for it.  

This mindset is what's missing due to generational dependency in inner cities where govt benefits and welfare has become a way of life to be handed down vs a temporary hand up.  And that dependency and blaming the system for your lot in life destroys self respect, initiative,ambition and sense of personal achievement.  How can you blame the schools when only half of the elementary kids show up for the first day?  How can you blame the kids without proper parental guidance and discipline?   Morals are learned at home, not in school. Keep passing the buck for government based dependency and excuses for illegal behavior. Poor misunderstood youth. BS.  Steal a car today, out tonight, do it again tomorrow. What lesson was learned but crime does indeed pay.  Sell dope , carry a gun, shoot someone because of disrespect.  In and out with more street cred.  Role models and fashion based on convicts with no belts hence the droop pants, music heros and vids promotiing drugs, guns lambos and ho's.  Nice. Why is it the cities that spend the most on education, programs etc have the highest crime and the worst academic results? It's  a shame what's  evolved to destroy a culture. And it's about to destroy our country if it contiues to be embraced and encouraged by pandering media, politicians and corporations.
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 8:12:21 PM EST
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It's not pandering to get rid of bad laws, and I'm all for it.  It's pandering to say that a law unfairly impacts a group of people because their skin is a different color.   The government has nothing to do with determining whether you have a functioning family or not.   What barriers is the government making that apply only to minorities? Saying that they exist does not make it so.
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You’re missing both the history I brought up and the purpose behind most of the laws I mention.  They were literally written to make it harder for black people to own property, get jobs, and more.  They stay in place because people decided the laws were fine for entirely different reasons, but that history is both historical fact, and both pointing that out and noting that, to this day, the laws function as originally intended, regardless of what well-meaning liberals think, isn’t pandering.  Yes, many blacks are poor and come from broken families.  I’m not saying the government should hand them money and try to fix their family structure - but we should at least admit it’s hurting rather than helping and fix the issue.  Noting the impact on the black community is a lever, and a valid one when the law was written to purposefully discriminate.

There’s a difference between the attempts to allow one group of people to operate under different standards than everyone else, and noting bad laws were written to hurt a specific group of people while nominally avoiding constitutional challenges, and should probably be repealed because they are still working.  If noting history, intention, and actual impact is pandering, it’s going to be hard to validly reach out to people.  Drawing a line between “Banks need standards to stay in business” and “Minimum Wage laws were written to keep black people out of a job” is pretty easy, but feel free to throw the baby out with the bathwater.  That’s worked really well for us thus far.
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 8:56:55 PM EST
[#47]
It's a buzzword for people of any race or lot in life that want to be losers
and have an excuse for it.

I appreciate all the good people I meet and have compassion for those that
deserve it.

Link Posted: 6/23/2020 9:02:07 PM EST
[#48]
Here is a good video on "systemic racism"


Ben Shapiro DEBUNKS Viral 'Systemic Racism Explained' Video
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 10:14:30 PM EST
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You’re missing both the history I brought up and the purpose behind most of the laws I mention.  They were literally written to make it harder for black people to own property, get jobs, and more.  They stay in place because people decided the laws were fine for entirely different reasons, but that history is both historical fact, and both pointing that out and noting that, to this day, the laws function as originally intended, regardless of what well-meaning liberals think, isn’t pandering.  Yes, many blacks are poor and come from broken families.  I’m not saying the government should hand them money and try to fix their family structure - but we should at least admit it’s hurting rather than helping and fix the issue.  Noting the impact on the black community is a lever, and a valid one when the law was written to purposefully discriminate.

There’s a difference between the attempts to allow one group of people to operate under different standards than everyone else, and noting bad laws were written to hurt a specific group of people while nominally avoiding constitutional challenges, and should probably be repealed because they are still working.  If noting history, intention, and actual impact is pandering, it’s going to be hard to validly reach out to people.  Drawing a line between “Banks need standards to stay in business” and “Minimum Wage laws were written to keep black people out of a job” is pretty easy, but feel free to throw the baby out with the bathwater.  That’s worked really well for us thus far.
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It's not pandering to get rid of bad laws, and I'm all for it.  It's pandering to say that a law unfairly impacts a group of people because their skin is a different color.   The government has nothing to do with determining whether you have a functioning family or not.   What barriers is the government making that apply only to minorities? Saying that they exist does not make it so.

You’re missing both the history I brought up and the purpose behind most of the laws I mention.  They were literally written to make it harder for black people to own property, get jobs, and more.  They stay in place because people decided the laws were fine for entirely different reasons, but that history is both historical fact, and both pointing that out and noting that, to this day, the laws function as originally intended, regardless of what well-meaning liberals think, isn’t pandering.  Yes, many blacks are poor and come from broken families.  I’m not saying the government should hand them money and try to fix their family structure - but we should at least admit it’s hurting rather than helping and fix the issue.  Noting the impact on the black community is a lever, and a valid one when the law was written to purposefully discriminate.

There’s a difference between the attempts to allow one group of people to operate under different standards than everyone else, and noting bad laws were written to hurt a specific group of people while nominally avoiding constitutional challenges, and should probably be repealed because they are still working.  If noting history, intention, and actual impact is pandering, it’s going to be hard to validly reach out to people.  Drawing a line between “Banks need standards to stay in business” and “Minimum Wage laws were written to keep black people out of a job” is pretty easy, but feel free to throw the baby out with the bathwater.  That’s worked really well for us thus far.


I don't buy your contention that minimum wage laws, or any other laws, disproportionately affect blacks.  Please explain how they affect black people disproportionately.  

ETA: I don't care about the history. Tell me how they are disproportionate today.  You keep referring to poor and broken black families.  They aren't poor and broken because their skin is a different color.
Link Posted: 6/23/2020 10:22:55 PM EST
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You’re missing both the history I brought up and the purpose behind most of the laws I mention.  They were literally written to make it harder for black people to own property, get jobs, and more.  They stay in place because people decided the laws were fine for entirely different reasons, but that history is both historical fact, and both pointing that out and noting that, to this day, the laws function as originally intended, regardless of what well-meaning liberals think, isn’t pandering.  Yes, many blacks are poor and come from broken families.  I’m not saying the government should hand them money and try to fix their family structure - but we should at least admit it’s hurting rather than helping and fix the issue.  Noting the impact on the black community is a lever, and a valid one when the law was written to purposefully discriminate.

There’s a difference between the attempts to allow one group of people to operate under different standards than everyone else, and noting bad laws were written to hurt a specific group of people while nominally avoiding constitutional challenges, and should probably be repealed because they are still working.  If noting history, intention, and actual impact is pandering, it’s going to be hard to validly reach out to people.  Drawing a line between “Banks need standards to stay in business” and “Minimum Wage laws were written to keep black people out of a job” is pretty easy, but feel free to throw the baby out with the bathwater.  That’s worked really well for us thus far.
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This press induced temper tantrum will hurt black employment and likely was implemented to do just that.
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