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Posted: 7/18/2021 2:36:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Walk me through a NASASMs system integrated on a maritime vessel(s). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: aim120 is air to air. its not a sam. why would it even be launched from sea level? NASAMS (National/Norwegian Advanced Surface to Air Missile System) is a distributed and networked medium to long range air-defence system. NASAMS was the first surface-based application for the AIM-120 AMRAAM (Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile). NASAMS was under development in 1996. MANPADS don't have the performance to hit TW800. NASAMS does. Therefore if it was a missile it must of been NASAMS or something similar in performance. If it was a test gone wrong, the missile would not of had a warhead, just instrumentation. Therefore it meets the rocket fuel contamination, without the shrapnel damage evidence. The missile would of hit the center of mass and passed through. However, the area is not an active testing area. So the NASAMS may meet the physics evidence, it fails the established test protocols. Therefore tin foil is required to bring in the top secret alphabet agency participation. |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 2:41:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NASAMS was under development in 1996. MANPADS don't have the performance to hit TW800. NASAMS does. Therefore if it was a missile it must of been NASAMS or something similar in performance. If it was a test gone wrong, the missile would not of had a warhead, just instrumentation. Therefore it meets the rocket fuel contamination, without the shrapnel damage evidence. The missile would of hit the center of mass and passed through. However, the area is not an active testing area. So the NASAMS may meet the physics evidence, it fails the established test protocols. Therefore tin foil is required to bring in the top secret alphabet agency participation. According to the CSPAN video posted earlier, testing WAS conducted there, in the immediate past, with a 5 day periodicity. |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 2:43:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NASAMS was under development in 1996. MANPADS don't have the performance to hit TW800. NASAMS does. Therefore if it was a missile it must of been NASAMS or something similar in performance. If it was a test gone wrong, the missile would not of had a warhead, just instrumentation. Therefore it meets the rocket fuel contamination, without the shrapnel damage evidence. The missile would of hit the center of mass and passed through. However, the area is not an active testing area. So the NASAMS may meet the physics evidence, it fails the established test protocols. Therefore tin foil is required to bring in the top secret alphabet agency participation. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: aim120 is air to air. its not a sam. why would it even be launched from sea level? NASAMS (National/Norwegian Advanced Surface to Air Missile System) is a distributed and networked medium to long range air-defence system. NASAMS was the first surface-based application for the AIM-120 AMRAAM (Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile). NASAMS was under development in 1996. MANPADS don't have the performance to hit TW800. NASAMS does. Therefore if it was a missile it must of been NASAMS or something similar in performance. If it was a test gone wrong, the missile would not of had a warhead, just instrumentation. Therefore it meets the rocket fuel contamination, without the shrapnel damage evidence. The missile would of hit the center of mass and passed through. However, the area is not an active testing area. So the NASAMS may meet the physics evidence, it fails the established test protocols. Therefore tin foil is required to bring in the top secret alphabet agency participation. Is the assumption this is a US naval craft or "someone else"? |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 2:43:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: According to the CSPAN video posted earlier, testing WAS conducted there, in the immediate past, with a 5 day periodicity. |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 2:45:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yet they didn't try to troll in that area despite all those trolling resources? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Cmdr donaldson stated in his official testimony that the trawler found and threw back the kicker motor in OCTOBER before it joined the search and was paid by NTSB and staffed with FBI "political officers" The FBI had people on four or five scallop boats 24 hours a day from Nov to May. They left a copy of their log book on one of the boats and Donaldson got it. They were looking for a stinger launch motor, a stinger battery, and the missing aircraft fuel pump (never found).  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached FileNote the FBI said “area your in” lol. Here is the trawl map:  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 2:46:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What testing and by whom? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: According to the CSPAN video posted earlier, testing WAS conducted there, in the immediate past, with a 5 day periodicity. Jack Cashill mentions a video and witness testimony confirming the missile testing (Naval?). Toward the end of the video |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 2:51:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What I'm asking is how is NASAM's functioning on a craft(s) in the ocean. Here's a hint. It's not just "a missile". And it's meant to be shore based. So in 1996 you have a launcher, radar, and fire control and their associated equipment to network it all with necessary personnel to man it all on one or more craft in the ocean running a test, at night, at what exactly? Is the assumption this is a US naval craft or "someone else"? That's part 2 of the theory. It was not using establish search and tracking gear. It was a top secret test of early "distributed lethality". Could a missile with terminal homing, be Q'd from a remote source. To make this theory work it would not have even been US navy. Maybe DARPA or Ratheon, etc... IDK. |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 2:56:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And what sort of logical conclusion should one come to in in exhaustive investigation that fails to yield any of said items when conducting research against initial assumptions/theories? Investigation finds traces of military explosives: -> make up a theory about police dogs or gulf vets with dirty boots Investigation finds over 100 witnesses who saw a missile from air, land, and sea vantage -> ignore testimony, add 302s for interviews that didn’t happen saying witnesses were drunk China Lake report says a bunch more live fire tests needed to rule out manpad -> ignore report, don’t fund tests Retired Navy Cmdr finds a scallop trawler who says he found a kicker motor -> feign ignorance |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 2:57:09 PM EST
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Posted: 7/18/2021 2:57:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's part 2 of the theory. It was not using establish search and tracking gear. It was a top secret test of early "distributed lethality". Could a missile with terminal homing, be Q'd from a remote source. To make this theory work it would not have even been US navy. Maybe DARPA or Ratheon, etc... IDK. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What I'm asking is how is NASAM's functioning on a craft(s) in the ocean. Here's a hint. It's not just "a missile". And it's meant to be shore based. So in 1996 you have a launcher, radar, and fire control and their associated equipment to network it all with necessary personnel to man it all on one or more craft in the ocean running a test, at night, at what exactly? Is the assumption this is a US naval craft or "someone else"? That's part 2 of the theory. It was not using establish search and tracking gear. It was a top secret test of early "distributed lethality". Could a missile with terminal homing, be Q'd from a remote source. To make this theory work it would not have even been US navy. Maybe DARPA or Ratheon, etc... IDK. |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 3:02:31 PM EST
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Quote History So why wasn't this test held at a range like AUTEC? https://www.navsea.navy.mil/Home/Warfare-Centers/NUWC-Newport/What-We-Do/Detachments/AUTEC/ https://www.navsea.navy.mil/Portals/103/Documents/NUWC_Newport/AUTEC/AUTECmilitaryinfo.pdf https://breakingdefense.com/2012/12/nfa-the-navys-best-kept-secret/ |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 3:03:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why wouldn't that be done in an actual constrained test environment for something that would be an obviously low TRL level that would need to be properly constrained to get valid data to prove or disprove the functionality? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What I'm asking is how is NASAM's functioning on a craft(s) in the ocean. Here's a hint. It's not just "a missile". And it's meant to be shore based. So in 1996 you have a launcher, radar, and fire control and their associated equipment to network it all with necessary personnel to man it all on one or more craft in the ocean running a test, at night, at what exactly? Is the assumption this is a US naval craft or "someone else"? That's part 2 of the theory. It was not using establish search and tracking gear. It was a top secret test of early "distributed lethality". Could a missile with terminal homing, be Q'd from a remote source. To make this theory work it would not have even been US navy. Maybe DARPA or Ratheon, etc... IDK. Yes. That's where this theory falls apart. Unless they wanted to test with background noise (radar contacts, real life). My earlier theory was somebody was examining the concept of a SAM belt placed in the ocean, with remote targeting. Similar in theory to the CAPTOR mines. It was described earlier in this thread. |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 3:04:03 PM EST
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CNN webmaster left up a sweet page from 1997
I wonder how much they make from the vintage banner ads for infoseek http://www.cnn.com/US/9704/10/pentagon.missile/  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 3:04:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Look at that very document that you keep referencing. It shows all the different TRAINING systems available. Also: https://www.marines.mil/News/News-Display/Article/620872/2nd-laad-perfects-surface-to-air-defense-skills/ Even if it is a live fire exercise there's a reason it's held at specific installations like Cherry Point equipped to handle such training and not just be done in the middle of the fucking ocean on a boat somewhere in an air corridor. At that time, there was no busier air corridor than the south shore of Long Island between 5:30 and 9:30pm. Virtually ALL the North Atlantic traffic came out of NYC at that time. PHL and EWR had some but JFK was still the big dog for Europe flights. No way anyone would do (or even be authorized to do) a live fire exercise ANYWHERE near that kind of traffic flow. Having lived another 25 years since then, I would not put it past most of the governments on this planet (including and especially ours, given the President at that time) to kill 250 people to whack someone who “is problematic” to an administration. Look at the Malaysian 370. There are questions about who was on 370 and who might want them killed. TC |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 3:38:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And you know this for a fact? Were you on the recovery team or were you doing analysis back at the hanger? Or did you just read an excerpt of an 'official' report in the media? I'm not saying it was a SAM...I have no idea...but I also know that other than the folks who were fishing debris out of the water, and the forensic folks doing the physical analysis, everything else is 2nd hand information at best. A lot of effort went in to discrediting eye witnesses. Despite the fact that a number of completely objective observants all reported seeing similar things...like a fire climbing in the sky up toward the plane....prior to the explosion...all official sources deny this was possible. Did all those eye witnesses 'mis-remember'? Did a bunch of folks with nothing to gain by doing so (and no prior communication with each other) all make up the exact same story? If there was some physical phenomena that resulted in what those people observed, why hasn't it be replicated? I'm not saying that the official findings aren't possible...sure....I suppose an electric short in proximity to thousands of gallons of jet fuel could make a pretty big bang...and if there were no eye witnesses claiming they saw a rocket flying upward toward the plane...and if the NTSB quietly made the determination without all the hype and pressure on silencing other possible reasons, it might be believable. In truth, I have no clue what happened that night. I can only look at the probabilities of the various hypotheses. That said, I think its more likely that a bad actor was responsible than a faulty electrical circuit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Okay. Let's roll with your theory TWA800 was somehow within range of a stinger. Where is the evidence of a missile detonation? No metal perforation patterns on the recovered fuselage hint at a near proximity high velocity explosion/detonation. Were you on the recovery team or were you doing analysis back at the hanger? Or did you just read an excerpt of an 'official' report in the media? I'm not saying it was a SAM...I have no idea...but I also know that other than the folks who were fishing debris out of the water, and the forensic folks doing the physical analysis, everything else is 2nd hand information at best. A lot of effort went in to discrediting eye witnesses. Despite the fact that a number of completely objective observants all reported seeing similar things...like a fire climbing in the sky up toward the plane....prior to the explosion...all official sources deny this was possible. Did all those eye witnesses 'mis-remember'? Did a bunch of folks with nothing to gain by doing so (and no prior communication with each other) all make up the exact same story? If there was some physical phenomena that resulted in what those people observed, why hasn't it be replicated? I'm not saying that the official findings aren't possible...sure....I suppose an electric short in proximity to thousands of gallons of jet fuel could make a pretty big bang...and if there were no eye witnesses claiming they saw a rocket flying upward toward the plane...and if the NTSB quietly made the determination without all the hype and pressure on silencing other possible reasons, it might be believable. In truth, I have no clue what happened that night. I can only look at the probabilities of the various hypotheses. That said, I think its more likely that a bad actor was responsible than a faulty electrical circuit. So show us the evidence.... I’m not even discounting a bomb or other nefarious means to take down the aircraft. But a few select ARF retreads that keep going on about A US MANPADS weapon system taking down an aircraft flying well above the max ceiling from a US warship is pants on head retarded. A few folks in this thread need evaluated... |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 3:39:07 PM EST
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I suddenly realized that school is out for the summer. That's why we have all these middle schoolers posting all this shit.
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Posted: 7/18/2021 3:49:28 PM EST
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Posted: 7/18/2021 4:15:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: CNN webmaster left up a sweet page from 1997 I wonder how much they make from the vintage banner ads for infoseek http://www.cnn.com/US/9704/10/pentagon.missile/ https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/239441/4A03B084-FAF6-4635-912C-FC86043256B1_png-2018397.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: CNN webmaster left up a sweet page from 1997 I wonder how much they make from the vintage banner ads for infoseek http://www.cnn.com/US/9704/10/pentagon.missile/ https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/239441/4A03B084-FAF6-4635-912C-FC86043256B1_png-2018397.JPG Navy officials now say two Trident missiles were fired from a submarine off the east coast of Florida at almost exactly the same time as the pilots began reporting missile sightings nearly 2,000 miles away. The rockets landed harmlessly in the Atlantic Ocean off the coast of Africa and did not pass anywhere near U.S. commercial air space. |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 4:31:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So Florida is close to Long island now? Look above at my link to AUTEC. Do you know how big a Trident is? I do I've physically been inside C4 stages. This just proves mine and others points to show exactly WHY eyewitness testimony should be discounted because of individual perspectives of events like this. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: CNN webmaster left up a sweet page from 1997 I wonder how much they make from the vintage banner ads for infoseek http://www.cnn.com/US/9704/10/pentagon.missile/ https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/239441/4A03B084-FAF6-4635-912C-FC86043256B1_png-2018397.JPG Navy officials now say two Trident missiles were fired from a submarine off the east coast of Florida at almost exactly the same time as the pilots began reporting missile sightings nearly 2,000 miles away. The rockets landed harmlessly in the Atlantic Ocean off the coast of Africa and did not pass anywhere near U.S. commercial air space. Did I say that Florida was close to LI? Did I say a trident took down TWA800? Much like the China Lake guys, i assume that only a pissant scale manpad could have left so little impact. The china lake guys thought three things were possible with a manpad: impact detonation, external timeout detonation, or dud impact at 1500mph. No way a big test vehicle missile would not have been found. If the Grasp or Grappler brought it up immediately in a few big pieces, maybe, but far less likely than a tiny missile. I read the AUTEC link and i will be sure to ask for the special rate. I would not expect a Huntsville rocket scientist to be such a dumbass. |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 4:48:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If it wasn't a US Navy missile, which we know it wasn't, who/what shot it? How do we know it wasn’t? The govt’s word? There was at least 3 subs, a P-3, and a cruiser in the immediate area. There’s video of Navy missile tests there from both the 7th, and 12th of July. Every 5 days. There was video of the missile strike played multiple times on MSNBC before being disappeared. There were hundreds of witnesses to a missile. Iranian terrorists took credit for it soon after, according to the London Times. How? Missile Why? US Navy accident, or State sponsored terrorism Why was it covered up? Clinton re-election,Olympics, Airline industry, Clinton re-election The missile theory requires a ton of convoluted story telling to answer all the questions. Video for discussion Read the entire thread. The Sailors in this thread told you it was impossible for more than a dozen reasons. |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 4:53:20 PM EST
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All I know about it is a girlfriend lost her family on TWA 800. She didn't believe the official story.
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Posted: 7/18/2021 5:13:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've seen the video he is talking about at 10:40 in the first video. It's a fact it was aired a lot, and then suddenly disappeared. Poof! Quote HistoryQuoted: I've seen the video he is talking about at 10:40 in the first video. It's a fact it was aired a lot, and then suddenly disappeared. Poof! I saw the video numerous times. As soon as the CIA got involved the video disappeared. Nobody could ever convince me otherwise that TWA 800 was indeed attacked with a SAM of some type. Who was responsible? Iran would be the first that comes to mind. We shot down Iranian Air 655 on July 3rd in 1988. 290 people were killed. |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 5:13:54 PM EST
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Quote HistorySeawolf was on sea trials and was not armed. Nor do U.S. submarines utilize surface to air missiles. |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 5:27:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did I say that Florida was close to LI? Did I say a trident took down TWA800? Much like the China Lake guys, i assume that only a pissant scale manpad could have left so little impact. The china lake guys thought three things were possible with a manpad: impact detonation, external timeout detonation, or dud impact at 1500mph. No way a big test vehicle missile would not have been found. If the Grasp or Grappler brought it up immediately in a few big pieces, maybe, but far less likely than a tiny missile. I read the AUTEC link and i will be sure to ask for the special rate. I would not expect a Huntsville rocket scientist to be such a dumbass. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: CNN webmaster left up a sweet page from 1997 I wonder how much they make from the vintage banner ads for infoseek http://www.cnn.com/US/9704/10/pentagon.missile/ https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/239441/4A03B084-FAF6-4635-912C-FC86043256B1_png-2018397.JPG Navy officials now say two Trident missiles were fired from a submarine off the east coast of Florida at almost exactly the same time as the pilots began reporting missile sightings nearly 2,000 miles away. The rockets landed harmlessly in the Atlantic Ocean off the coast of Africa and did not pass anywhere near U.S. commercial air space. Did I say that Florida was close to LI? Did I say a trident took down TWA800? Much like the China Lake guys, i assume that only a pissant scale manpad could have left so little impact. The china lake guys thought three things were possible with a manpad: impact detonation, external timeout detonation, or dud impact at 1500mph. No way a big test vehicle missile would not have been found. If the Grasp or Grappler brought it up immediately in a few big pieces, maybe, but far less likely than a tiny missile. I read the AUTEC link and i will be sure to ask for the special rate. I would not expect a Huntsville rocket scientist to be such a dumbass.  |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 5:50:02 PM EST
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Posted: 7/18/2021 5:51:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seawolf was on sea trials and was not armed. Nor do U.S. submarines utilize surface to air missiles. Your avatar suggests some expertise, but how do you know? We’re you read in to every program related to the Seawolf? |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 5:53:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryDoes he explain why the Navy was conducting missile tests after dark? Because that doesn't happen. |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 5:54:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Read the entire thread. The Sailors in this thread told you it was impossible for more than a dozen reasons. It’s impossible for the US to conduct tests in ways and locations that the Sailors in this thread don’t know about? It’s impossible for the govt to disappear evidence and construct false narratives? |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 5:54:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seawolf was on sea trials and was not armed. Nor do U.S. submarines utilize surface to air missiles. You forgot about SUBSAM 
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Posted: 7/18/2021 5:58:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your avatar suggests some expertise, but how do you know? We're you read in to every program related to the Seawolf? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Seawolf was on sea trials and was not armed. Nor do U.S. submarines utilize surface to air missiles. Your avatar suggests some expertise, but how do you know? We're you read in to every program related to the Seawolf? |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 6:00:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's impossible for the US to conduct tests in ways and locations that the Sailors in this thread don't know about? It's impossible for the govt to disappear evidence and construct false narratives? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Read the entire thread. The Sailors in this thread told you it was impossible for more than a dozen reasons. It's impossible for the US to conduct tests in ways and locations that the Sailors in this thread don't know about? It's impossible for the govt to disappear evidence and construct false narratives?   |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 6:01:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s impossible for the US to conduct tests in ways and locations that the Sailors in this thread don’t know about? It’s impossible for the govt to disappear evidence and construct false narratives? Yes. It is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE to fire a missile from a Navy ship and not have EVERY person on the ship know it. It is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE that an entire ships crew, let alone 3 ships crews, plus a P-3 crew, 1000 plus people would not speak a word about shooting down an airliner. The only plauisble explanation, one of the Tic Tac UFOs hit Flight 800 and the government is covering it up because of ETs. |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 6:07:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's an attack submarine why the heck would it have SAM capability? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Seawolf was on sea trials and was not armed. Nor do U.S. submarines utilize surface to air missiles. Your avatar suggests some expertise, but how do you know? We're you read in to every program related to the Seawolf? Cuz it’s a sub with little tubes on the top where they can shoot different stuff up. Sometimes smart people think up innovative stuff do do with our other stuff. |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 6:09:36 PM EST
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Posted: 7/18/2021 6:12:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. It is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE to fire a missile from a Navy ship and not have EVERY person on the ship know it. It is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE that an entire ships crew, let alone 3 ships crews, plus a P-3 crew, 1000 plus people would not speak a word about shooting down an airliner. The only plauisble explanation, one of the Tic Tac UFOs hit Flight 800 and the government is covering it up because of ETs. I'm NOT a proponent of the Navy did it theory, but it doesn't have to happen "on" the ship where everyone would hear it. There are launches/fast boat/skiffs available on lots of vessels that could motor away do it's deed and return. It's not completely impossible for a missile to be launched and no one aboard the ship be aware. |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 6:14:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cuz it’s a sub with little tubes on the top where they can shoot different stuff up. Sometimes smart people think up innovative stuff do do with our other stuff. And that stuff is not tested after dark...not tested without range clearance...not tested near a major air lane... |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 6:15:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cuz it's a sub with little tubes on the top where they can shoot different stuff up. Sometimes smart people think up innovative stuff do do with our other stuff. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Seawolf was on sea trials and was not armed. Nor do U.S. submarines utilize surface to air missiles. Your avatar suggests some expertise, but how do you know? We're you read in to every program related to the Seawolf? Cuz it's a sub with little tubes on the top where they can shoot different stuff up. Sometimes smart people think up innovative stuff do do with our other stuff. |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 6:18:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm NOT a proponent of the Navy did it theory, but it doesn't have to happen "on" the ship where everyone would hear it. There are launches/fast boat/skiffs available on lots of vessels that could motor away do it's deed and return. It's not completely impossible for a missile to be launched and no one aboard the ship be aware. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yes. It is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE to fire a missile from a Navy ship and not have EVERY person on the ship know it. It is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE that an entire ships crew, let alone 3 ships crews, plus a P-3 crew, 1000 plus people would not speak a word about shooting down an airliner. The only plauisble explanation, one of the Tic Tac UFOs hit Flight 800 and the government is covering it up because of ETs. I'm NOT a proponent of the Navy did it theory, but it doesn't have to happen "on" the ship where everyone would hear it. There are launches/fast boat/skiffs available on lots of vessels that could motor away do it's deed and return. It's not completely impossible for a missile to be launched and no one aboard the ship be aware. |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 6:25:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So now we're doing engage on net, in 1996, In a major air corridor, with a missile that's on some sort of barge or completely unattended, that has a C2 link back to a firing ship? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yes. It is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE to fire a missile from a Navy ship and not have EVERY person on the ship know it. It is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE that an entire ships crew, let alone 3 ships crews, plus a P-3 crew, 1000 plus people would not speak a word about shooting down an airliner. The only plauisble explanation, one of the Tic Tac UFOs hit Flight 800 and the government is covering it up because of ETs. I'm NOT a proponent of the Navy did it theory, but it doesn't have to happen "on" the ship where everyone would hear it. There are launches/fast boat/skiffs available on lots of vessels that could motor away do it's deed and return. It's not completely impossible for a missile to be launched and no one aboard the ship be aware. First sentence which you quoted. Is English your second language? My personal theory is that Iran did it, with a modified medium range SAM system from a yacht sized powerboat that can move out fairly quickly. Or it's also possible in my view that there are MANPADS with performance well above the published numbers. However it did happen, I'm certain the FBI and CIA colluded at the orders of Clinton Co to hide the truth from us, the official story is utter bull shit. |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 6:25:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Will we be firing these SAM's submerged or surfaced? How are they getting the tracks and fire control? Assuming these were a thing, they would no doubt be employed in a similar fashion to ICBMs- you know, those big missiles that subs fire. How would they be guided on target? I guess it’s impossible, since there’s no way for a weapons guidance control to be networked and transferred from one platform to another. Gosh, that would be true magic |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 6:29:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Assuming these were a thing, they would no doubt be employed in a similar fashion to ICBMs- you know, those big missiles that subs fire. How would they be guided on target? I guess it's impossible, since there's no way for a weapons guidance control to be networked and transferred from one platform to another. Gosh, that would be true magic Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Will we be firing these SAM's submerged or surfaced? How are they getting the tracks and fire control? Assuming these were a thing, they would no doubt be employed in a similar fashion to ICBMs- you know, those big missiles that subs fire. How would they be guided on target? I guess it's impossible, since there's no way for a weapons guidance control to be networked and transferred from one platform to another. Gosh, that would be true magic And you seem to be completely missing the point of my questions. I'm asking them for a reason. |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 6:31:44 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: First sentence which you quoted. Is English your second language? My personal theory is that Iran did it, with a modified medium range SAM system from a yacht sized powerboat that can move out fairly quickly. Or it's also possible in my view that there are MANPADS with performance well above the published numbers. However it did happen, I'm certain the FBI and CIA colluded at the orders of Clinton Co to hide the truth from us, the official story is utter bull shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yes. It is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE to fire a missile from a Navy ship and not have EVERY person on the ship know it. It is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE that an entire ships crew, let alone 3 ships crews, plus a P-3 crew, 1000 plus people would not speak a word about shooting down an airliner. The only plauisble explanation, one of the Tic Tac UFOs hit Flight 800 and the government is covering it up because of ETs. I'm NOT a proponent of the Navy did it theory, but it doesn't have to happen "on" the ship where everyone would hear it. There are launches/fast boat/skiffs available on lots of vessels that could motor away do it's deed and return. It's not completely impossible for a missile to be launched and no one aboard the ship be aware. First sentence which you quoted. Is English your second language? My personal theory is that Iran did it, with a modified medium range SAM system from a yacht sized powerboat that can move out fairly quickly. Or it's also possible in my view that there are MANPADS with performance well above the published numbers. However it did happen, I'm certain the FBI and CIA colluded at the orders of Clinton Co to hide the truth from us, the official story is utter bull shit. |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 6:33:14 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seawolf's don't have ICBMs. And you seem to be completely missing the point of my questions. I'm asking them for a reason. Seawolf was going thru trials, stands to reason they were testing new stuff. You’ll have to spell out your reasons, I’m not seeing. Are you asking how comms with the sub might work? I think a lot of times they use aircraft... a P-something... |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 6:35:35 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: First sentence which you quoted. Is English your second language? My personal theory is that Iran did it, with a modified medium range SAM system from a yacht sized powerboat that can move out fairly quickly. Or it's also possible in my view that there are MANPADS with performance well above the published numbers. However it did happen, I'm certain the FBI and CIA colluded at the orders of Clinton Co to hide the truth from us, the official story is utter bull shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yes. It is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE to fire a missile from a Navy ship and not have EVERY person on the ship know it. It is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBhi buLE that an entire ships crew, let alone 3 ships crews, plus a P-3 crew, 1000 plus people would not speak a word about shooting down an airliner. The only plauisble explanation, one of the Tic Tac UFOs hit Flight 800 and the government is covering it up because of ETs. I'm NOT a proponent of the Navy did it theory, but it doesn't have to happen "on" the ship where everyone would hear it. There are launches/fast boat/skiffs available on lots of vessels that could motor away do it's deed and return. It's not completely impossible for a missile to be launched and no one aboard the ship be aware. First sentence which you quoted. Is English your second language? My personal theory is that Iran did it, with a modified medium range SAM system from a yacht sized powerboat that can move out fairly quickly. Or it's also possible in my view that there are MANPADS with performance well above the published numbers. However it did happen, I'm certain the FBI and CIA colluded at the orders of Clinton Co to hide the truth from us, the official story is utter bull shit. So, on one of the busiest air and shipping corridors in the world, a vessel entered American waters and launched a 1900 lb missile (Hawk) somehow without the command radar and equipment trailer (need another boat for that) without a single ship out of hundreds waiting to transit the port seeing them. This missile didn't leave so much as a cornflake of evidence and didn't show up on any radars. ( A hawk launch would look like the yacht exploded) These two ships then sailed away and never said a word about committing a terrorist attack. It may have been a bomb, it may have been a fuel tank explosion. It damn sure was not a missile. |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 6:36:53 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What medium range SAM utilizes the least amount of C2 equipment in conjunction with a launcher to fit on a yacht? You fedposters must be sharing usernames and doing shitty hand overs at shift change. Iran has a copy of the Hawk which they managed to mount on their F-14. That would fit quite nicely. |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 6:39:24 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seawolf was going thru trials, stands to reason they were testing new stuff. You'll have to spell out your reasons, I'm not seeing. Are you asking how comms with the sub might work? I think a lot of times they use aircraft... a P-something... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Seawolf's don't have ICBMs. And you seem to be completely missing the point of my questions. I'm asking them for a reason. Seawolf was going thru trials, stands to reason they were testing new stuff. You'll have to spell out your reasons, I'm not seeing. Are you asking how comms with the sub might work? I think a lot of times they use aircraft... a P-something... |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 6:40:59 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You fedposters must be sharing usernames and doing shitty hand overs at shift change. Iran has a copy of the Hawk which they managed to mount on their F-14. That would fit quite nicely. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What medium range SAM utilizes the least amount of C2 equipment in conjunction with a launcher to fit on a yacht? You fedposters must be sharing usernames and doing shitty hand overs at shift change. Iran has a copy of the Hawk which they managed to mount on their F-14. That would fit quite nicely. |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 6:44:24 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm NOT a proponent of the Navy did it theory, but it doesn't have to happen "on" the ship where everyone would hear it. There are launches/fast boat/skiffs available on lots of vessels that could motor away do it's deed and return. It's not completely impossible for a missile to be launched and no one aboard the ship be aware. Yes it is. |
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Posted: 7/18/2021 6:45:55 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: First sentence which you quoted. Is English your second language? My personal theory is that Iran did it, with a modified medium range SAM system from a yacht sized powerboat that can move out fairly quickly. Or it's also possible in my view that there are MANPADS with performance well above the published numbers. However it did happen, I'm certain the FBI and CIA colluded at the orders of Clinton Co to hide the truth from us, the official story is utter bull shit. Then it wasn't the US Navy then... |
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