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Posted: 12/1/2023 5:35:59 PM EDT
 M60: Cold War Guardian | Tank Chats #175 Always really interested in this tank, ever since that one famous video of the guy stealing a M60 from a local armory and going on a rampage with it. |
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Posted: 12/1/2023 5:37:45 PM EDT
[#1]
I really like the look of the A1 turret.
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Posted: 12/1/2023 5:40:31 PM EDT
[#2]
.....oops
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Posted: 12/1/2023 5:41:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/1/2023 5:43:29 PM EDT
[#4]
I was a mechanic on them in W. Germany, 7th Cav, 3rd ID
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Posted: 12/1/2023 5:44:39 PM EDT
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My tank platoon 3rd plt. C company, 1-77 Bn, 4th ID in 1978 had M60A1s. I did a transition course for the M60A2 starship, but never served on one.
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Posted: 12/1/2023 5:48:03 PM EDT
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I never understood the differences between the M48 and M60. They look like the same tank to me.
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Posted: 12/1/2023 5:50:19 PM EDT
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There's still thousands of Pattons in service world wide. Might still be the second most common non-Russian (or Russian derivative) tank in the world. Maybe third.
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Posted: 12/1/2023 5:50:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/1/2023 5:51:39 PM EDT
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Let’s get some M60A2 going!
When I went to AOBC we used M60A3s for the “10 day war”. That was 1989. All other training was done on M1IP tanks with an add on for those guys going to M1A1 units. |
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Posted: 12/1/2023 5:54:08 PM EDT
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They should have gone with a low German style commander cupola from the get-go. That mini turret was hot garbage.
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Posted: 12/1/2023 5:55:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They should have gone with a low German style commander cupola from the get-go. That mini turret was hot garbage. |
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Posted: 12/1/2023 6:05:33 PM EDT
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I always have considered it the quintessential tank. I'm sure there are better tanks but the M60 is the first one that comes to mind when I hear tank.
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Posted: 12/1/2023 7:15:33 PM EDT
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The other side of the M60 out front at the National Museum of Military Vehicles in Dubois, WY.
250 vehicles inside. Many more outside. 
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Posted: 12/1/2023 7:24:59 PM EDT
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The A3 was a dinosaur for me- but after serving several years on them, I felt a healthy respect for them as a defensive tank.
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Posted: 12/1/2023 7:34:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I never understood the differences between the M48 and M60. They look like the same tank to me. Because they pretty much are. Some changes to the hull, upgraded gun and turret, pretty much an M48 2.0. |
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Posted: 12/1/2023 7:35:14 PM EDT
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If I recall,
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Posted: 12/1/2023 7:37:34 PM EDT
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The m60 was a good tank. Held every position on one. Gunner was the best, tc was ok.
Fun times  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/1/2023 9:45:03 PM EDT
[#18]
Tankers were still rocking M60's in Korea during the mid-80's when I was there. Not sure which version they were but I was damn glad to know they were around.
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Posted: 12/1/2023 9:48:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was a mechanic on them in W. Germany, 7th Cav, 3rd ID me as well.. 8th ID 1/68 armor. |
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Posted: 12/1/2023 9:58:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My tank platoon 3rd plt. C company, 1-77 Bn, 4th ID in 1978 had M60A1s. I did a transition course for the M60A2 starship, but never served on one. Wasn't the A2 the one with the 152mm main gun that could also launch missiles? My dad crewed one in a field experiment in the mid 70s. My DAD, and I'm getting old.
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Posted: 12/1/2023 10:00:45 PM EDT
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Our Marine Corps M-60A1s performed magnificently during Desert Storm. Considering their age and technology deficit vs. Army M-60A3s and the various Abrams models in service at the time they did the job.
The sights and sounds of a company of M-60s destroying an Iraqi armor unit are something I will never forget. |
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Posted: 12/1/2023 10:06:30 PM EDT
[#22]
M26 to the M60 is my favorite line of tanks. Except for that rounded turret. It’s the Amish bowl cut of tank sexiness.
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Posted: 12/1/2023 10:16:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wasn't the A2 the one with the 152mm main gun that could also launch missiles? My dad crewed one in a field experiment in the mid 70s. My DAD, and I'm getting old.  I was on A1s & A2s in Germany in the 70s. ETA: pic I took of one outside a VFW hall I passed while traveling  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/1/2023 10:24:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Our Marine Corps M-60A1s performed magnificently during Desert Storm. Considering their age and technology deficit vs. Army M-60A3s and the various Abrams models in service at the time they did the job. The sights and sounds of a company of M-60s destroying an Iraqi armor unit are something I will never forget. The models with ERA on them were pretty cool |
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Posted: 12/1/2023 10:34:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wasn't the A2 the one with the 152mm main gun that could also launch missiles? My dad crewed one in a field experiment in the mid 70s. My DAD, and I'm getting old. It's the M551 Sheridan you're thinking of. An armored recon "light tank" from the Vietnam-era, air drop-able (at least one time, like any piece of Army equipment), fired the 152mm MGM-51 Shillelagh missile. It ended up at NTC playing OPFOR tanks during the 80s. |
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Posted: 12/1/2023 10:40:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's the M551 Sheridan you're thinking of. An armored recon "light tank" from the Vietnam-era, air drop-able (at least one time, like any piece of Army equipment), fired the 152mm MGM-51 Shillelagh missile. It ended up at NTC playing OPFOR tanks during the 80s. https://www.militarytoday.com/tanks/m60a2.htm |
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Posted: 12/1/2023 10:40:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's the M551 Sheridan you're thinking of. An armored recon "light tank" from the Vietnam-era, air drop-able (at least one time, like any piece of Army equipment), fired the 152mm MGM-51 Shillelagh missile. It ended up at NTC playing OPFOR tanks during the 80s. Also the M60A2  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/1/2023 10:41:54 PM EDT
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The Tank Museum near Desert Center CA has a number of M60s. One M26, several M47s, a Stuart and Sherman.
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Posted: 12/1/2023 10:42:24 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's the M551 Sheridan you're thinking of. An armored recon "light tank" from the Vietnam-era, air drop-able (at least one time, like any piece of Army equipment), fired the 152mm MGM-51 Shillelagh missile. It ended up at NTC playing OPFOR tanks during the 80s. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wasn't the A2 the one with the 152mm main gun that could also launch missiles? My dad crewed one in a field experiment in the mid 70s. My DAD, and I'm getting old. It's the M551 Sheridan you're thinking of. An armored recon "light tank" from the Vietnam-era, air drop-able (at least one time, like any piece of Army equipment), fired the 152mm MGM-51 Shillelagh missile. It ended up at NTC playing OPFOR tanks during the 80s. pic from the web of an A2 edit - that main gun tube looks fucky, no bore evacuator. They both had cbss, closed breach scavenging system. No brass coming back in the turret after a main gun round is fired.  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/1/2023 10:43:36 PM EDT
[#30]
Quoted:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5avIoIbQWcAlways really interested in this tank, ever since that one famous video of the guy stealing a M60 from a local armory and going on a rampage with it. The SDPD Officer that killed that dude is an old family friend. |
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Posted: 12/1/2023 10:57:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When I went to AOBC we used M60A3s for the “10 day war”. That was 1989. AOBC 04-91 Every single crew broke torsion bars. One even broke while the tank was parked and we were standing next to it. It's easy to forget how bad those were for breaking down. Throwing a track so easy, everybody was doing it. Because why not. They were slow, loud, tall, and gave off a smoke signal that Geronimo himself could read. |
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Posted: 12/1/2023 10:59:34 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I never understood the differences between the M48 and M60. They look like the same tank to me. Read Hunnicutt's book. |
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Posted: 12/1/2023 11:16:36 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Read Hunnicutt's book. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I never understood the differences between the M48 and M60. They look like the same tank to me. Read Hunnicutt's book. His books are great but pricey. I have the Pershing book. They’re all out of print except for the Chinese reprints that I’ve heard horror stories about. |
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Posted: 12/1/2023 11:20:58 PM EDT
[#34]
Always liked the M60. I did an old Tamiya model of one that I had laying around for over 30 years.
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Posted: 12/1/2023 11:23:12 PM EDT
[#35]
Where's @harv24 ?
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Posted: 12/1/2023 11:33:30 PM EDT
[#36]
My dad was a tank commander Ft knox back in the late 70’s ?
I remember running around on the dirt roads back in the sticks. Use to fish at a place called tobacco leaf lake. Those were good times. |
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Posted: 12/1/2023 11:51:31 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: AOBC 04-91 Every single crew broke torsion bars. One even broke while the tank was parked and we were standing next to it. It's easy to forget how bad those were for breaking down. Throwing a track so easy, everybody was doing it. Because why not. They were slow, loud, tall, and gave off a smoke signal that Geronimo himself could read. I wasn't a tanker, but I was out on an FX one night when the engineers were trying to get up a steep hill with a portable bridge on a M60 tank hull. That thing sounded like a locomotive trying to pull a mile long train out of the yard, and there were flames shooting out of the louvres in the engine compartment doors. I remember wondering how far away the Ruskies would have to be not to see or hear that. This was fifty years ago. |
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Posted: 12/2/2023 12:11:03 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. Your dad and I must be about the same age I was on A1s & A2s in Germany in the 70s. ETA: pic I took of one outside a VFW hall I passed while traveling https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/177202/IMG_6863_jpeg-3046585.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wasn't the A2 the one with the 152mm main gun that could also launch missiles? My dad crewed one in a field experiment in the mid 70s. My DAD, and I'm getting old. I was on A1s & A2s in Germany in the 70s. ETA: pic I took of one outside a VFW hall I passed while traveling https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/177202/IMG_6863_jpeg-3046585.JPG Yep. We were at Ft. Hood around '73-'74, and then moved to Germany for a few years. He was with 2nd AD. I can't recall which battalion/regiment now; I knew it at one time. He's gotta be near 70. He was around 20 when I was born, and I'm almost 50 now. |
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Posted: 12/2/2023 12:11:59 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The other side of the M60 out front at the National Museum of Military Vehicles in Dubois, WY. 250 vehicles inside. Many more outside. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1292/20231111_135537-3046270.jpg I really need to drive over there and check it out. |
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Posted: 12/2/2023 12:14:57 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They should have gone with a low German style commander cupola from the get-go. That mini turret was hot garbage. As was the M85 machine gun, shocking how unreliable ours were |
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Posted: 12/2/2023 12:17:07 AM EDT
[#41]
Quoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5avIoIbQWcAlways really interested in this tank, ever since that one famous video of the guy stealing a M60 from a local armory and going on a rampage with it. |
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Posted: 12/2/2023 12:23:41 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I never understood the differences between the M48 and M60. They look like the same tank to me. Quick way to tell, M48 has a round front, M60 has a wedge front. |
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Posted: 12/2/2023 1:46:22 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They should have gone with a low German style commander cupola from the get-go. That mini turret was hot garbage. Wasn’t the commanders cupola supposed to be like a hunter killer setup like modern tanks? The TC looks for targets while the gunner is engaged? The Israelis didn’t like the higher silhouette. |
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Posted: 12/2/2023 1:48:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tankers were still rocking M60's in Korea during the mid-80's when I was there. Not sure which version they were but I was damn glad to know they were around. |
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Posted: 12/2/2023 2:01:48 AM EDT
[#45]
M60a3 is the tank I want to own.
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Posted: 12/2/2023 2:25:17 AM EDT
[#46]
So many things to like in this thread.
First, tank chats are awesome. Anything put out by The Tank Museum is great. I highly recommend visiting. Second, the first hand accounts of all the armor boys is amazing. I've always been fascinated by that side of the house. Just glad I'm not them as I'm flying over them in the suck. And lastly, go the the National Museum of Military Vehicles in Dubois, Wyoming. If you can't make it to England, that is a damn fine alternative. |
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Posted: 12/2/2023 3:08:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So many things to like in this thread. First, tank chats are awesome. Anything put out by The Tank Museum is great. I highly recommend visiting. Second, the first hand accounts of all the armor boys is amazing. I've always been fascinated by that side of the house. Just glad I'm not them as I'm flying over them in the suck. And lastly, go the the National Museum of Military Vehicles in Dubois, Wyoming. If you can't make it to England, that is a damn fine alternative. How the heck does the UK have a better tank museum than us?
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Posted: 12/2/2023 3:25:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wasn’t the commanders cupola supposed to be like a hunter killer setup like modern tanks? The TC looks for targets while the gunner is engaged? The Israelis didn’t like the higher silhouette. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They should have gone with a low German style commander cupola from the get-go. That mini turret was hot garbage. Wasn’t the commanders cupola supposed to be like a hunter killer setup like modern tanks? The TC looks for targets while the gunner is engaged? The Israelis didn’t like the higher silhouette. That was supposed to be the plan that the gunner ranged & targeted his gun while the TC scanned about for the next target & situational awareness from his "big view". The Israelis didn't like the fact that M-60s in the 1973 war tended to fiercely burn internally when hit because of spray of the highly flammable hydraulic fluid ("cherry juice") at the front of the turret. This was later changed out for a non-flammable "safety fluid". Bigger_Hammer  |
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Posted: 12/2/2023 3:47:55 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How the heck does the UK have a better tank museum than us? Easy. The US has a better collection but the Army owns it and it is not open to the public. |
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Posted: 12/2/2023 3:58:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How the heck does the UK have a better tank museum than us? One word, TOG.  Just for the prototypes and rare vehicles it's worth it. To be honest, the National Armor and Calvary Collection on Ft. Benning, or Ft. Moore as they call it now, is one I want to go see soon too. |
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