He took that piece of trash to the Train Station.

I bet the shooter was an illegal with prior military or army training and experience.

He probably works for the cartel in some manner and is probably back in Mexico.

I doubt they will find , unless they have his prints already.

I would probably go not guilty if I was on the jury.

Good shoot all day long … as for the rest of the speculation …

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How, when the last shot was fired?  Which is mostly all I'm concerned about.  The robber is laying there.  He no longer has the pistol in or near his hands.  Absent the imminent threat of serious bodily harm, there's no justification for deadly force in self-defense.  Are you going to claim that you need to use deadly force to stop the fleeing robber or retrieve your property, when the robber is laying there, immobile, bleeding, and he doesn't have his gun within reach?

All of these problems can be overcome, and as I wrote, I doubt Ogg really wants to charge the shooter, but it's not a good position to have yourself in, as a private citizen csught up in a situation where you might have to use deadly force to protect yourself, others, or your property.

I haven't checked, and even though I've driven down Gessner more than a few times, I haven't been in that taqueria, but the local tv station website's comments section has claims that the restaurant was placarded as a 51% establishment.  Likely incorrectly so, but that might also induce someone to not want to hang around.  Though I can't remember if it's a defense to that charge if you have to use your weapon lawfully in self-defense.

why have they not released the name of the dead robber yet?

i want to hear about his record.

Is this Texas statues?

youve used that phrase a couple of times...

I am not sure it is actually in TX statutes.

all this speculation on where the perp was headed, whether he had another weapon, was he completely disabled when he went down, why the Samaritan left, how Texas law is written, interpreted, and enforced

everything based on a short video

But we're CERTAIN about what transpired

The clip I watched paused at the video when the shooting started.

This, but at the same time I still think lawyering up and shutting up is the best option, even if what you did was legally in the right. Nothing good can come from talking to the police.

Unfortunately I beleive you are correct.

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How can you "murder" a dead guy?!?

What difference does it make if he shot once or 10 times?!?

GD: high cap mags are good and necessary.

Also GD: never shoot a criminal more than one time.





No wonder the country is in the shape it's in. With friends like some of y'all, who needs enemies.

Evil can never be dead enough



And a message from the grave:

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They were all good shots as long as they hit the perp.

I bet that guy has a Tac13 he carries around in a gym bag and is diabetic hypoglycemic. Might have worked for NSA. Lives in a faraday cage, checking out crazy shit in our crazy world, in a building set to blow.

The man needs to have an atty before he says a word to cops. He needs to have a defense for the anchor shot after securing the weapon.

Remember it's a legal system, not a justice system.

I like the jib of your sail.


Great minds think alike I guess.

IIRC he was hypoglycemic

Fixed

according to this news article, his attorney has reached out to the police. go to the 56 second mark for the reporter to state that.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/customer-shoots-and-kills-armed-robber-in-houston-taco-shop/vi-AA165A8p?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=06ec8e20715b497c924452035bd75749&category=foryou

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I thought people calling the HarrisCo DA "Ogg" were like people calling the Chitcago mayor "Beetlejuice".

I thought wrong.

https://www.harriscountyda.com/kim-ogg-harris-county-district-attorney

That shoot looks reasonable to me.
The old guy looks like a day laborer that works hard everyday and doesn't want the hassles of the man in his life.

I wish him well.

I think a lot of good people are at a point in this country where they no longer give a shit what is legal or not.  You're going to reach a point where people decide they aren't bound by law - considering that law doesn't protect them from criminals, yet seems to protect the criminals themselves.

The statute in question is Texas Penal Code Section 9.32.  It reads as follows:

(a)A person is justified in using deadly force against another:
(1)if the actor would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.31 (Self-defense); and
(2)when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A)to protect the actor against the other’s use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force; or
(B)to prevent the other’s imminent commission of aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery.
(b)The actor’s belief under Subsection (a)(2) that the deadly force was immediately necessary as described by that subdivision is presumed to be reasonable if the actor:
(1)knew or had reason to believe that the person against whom the deadly force was used:
(A)unlawfully and with force entered, or was attempting to enter unlawfully and with force, the actor’s occupied habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment;
(B)unlawfully and with force removed, or was attempting to remove unlawfully and with force, the actor from the actor’s habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment; or
(C)was committing or attempting to commit an offense described by Subsection (a)(2)(B);
(2)did not provoke the person against whom the force was used; and
(3)was not otherwise engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic at the time the force was used.
(c)A person who has a right to be present at the location where the deadly force is used, who has not provoked the person against whom the deadly force is used, and who is not engaged in criminal activity at the time the deadly force is used is not required to retreat before using deadly force as described by this section.
(d)For purposes of Subsection (a)(2), in determining whether an actor described by Subsection (c) reasonably believed that the use of deadly force was necessary, a finder of fact may not consider whether the actor failed to retreat.

So, what's going to apply here is whether the actor reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary to prevent one of two things:  the other guy's use, or attempted use, of unlawful deadly force, OR the commission of one of several felonies, robbery being one of them.  Neither is the situation when the good guy fires the 9th shot, and that's the problem.  

"Immediately necessary" is the key here, and it's not apparent that it was immediately necessary when the good guy shot him that last time.  Articulate to me, the threat of deadly force the bad guy has on the ninth shot.  He doesn't have a gun anymore.  He's laying there leaking.  Which also means he's not leaving the scene, either, so the good guy's deadly force on the ninth shot  isn't immediately necessary to prevent the robbery.

We can go through 9.31 if you like, but it's not going to add any more light on the situation.

Don't anchor shoot people on video, and there's video everywhere these days.

Nobody in this thread said that only one shot was justifiable and, nobody in this thread disagrees that the perp shouldn't have been deaded for his deeds.

The point is really simple and it doesn't matter what part of the country you come from.

If you have to use lethal force be sure it's justified and do not return for an anchor shot after the perp is down and unarmed, especially on film .

Like it or not you risk your freedom if the wrong DA gets ahold of it .

Everyone's emotions aside, this is good advice and I would hope armed citizens would know better.

I like the defense:  I shot the criminal until the threat was was over.  Defense - we saw you shoot him 7 more times after he died.  Then I was shooting a dead body, not the criminal.  Shooting a dead body is not a crime anymore.

Keshawn fucked around and found out

He should counter sue for emotional damage from killing their piece of shit family member

“But he shot him in the back it’s murder” herp derp

Quantavious mashawn Ricardo qwispella smith.
And they call him “LELE”

Me too.  Vented my spleen at Fargo last night (which was stupid, I might add), and figured that was it.

Saw this thread, opened it, saw JW777 saying it wasn't kosher, and he's usually really reliable.  Found the "Gage" tweets in this thread with the rest of the surveillance video, and said, "Oooh, that's not going to go over well.  Shit."

I hope he gets away with it.  I'm also quite curious about why we haven't heard who the deceased was yet.

People need to learn the difference between a descriptive statement, and a prescriptive one. I doubt very seriously JW wants this guy to go to prison -and I don't either- but it's absolutely true the last shot at least is going to require some pretty solid articulation that isn't quite as obvious as the opening volley.

I hope the guy gets off, and in Texas he very well might. But there's absolutely places in this country where that last shot would get you jammed up when the previous ones would have been deemed justified, and it's foolish to pretend otherwise.

So, you're saying the perp in the video was unarmed?

And you know this how?

NRA is sharing the video on Facebook.

Whether they are using it for advertising or will actually back the defender remains to unfold.

Lol when I worked for HFD before moving to a different department this was my area. The S.W.A.T. (Southwest Alief Texas). Complete shithole. We'd be out and about and see an old white couple out shopping and think wtf are you doing here! They'd probably lived there since before it got bad and just never left.

I hope based taco customer is never found. Murder every robber because they have no respect for life or law.

Which video?  The one that cuts out before the shooting?  Or the filler version?

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Fuck the NRA.

The edited version.

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What makes some of you guys think the shooter is some highly-skilled operator? All I saw was a guy willing to use lethal force in a pretty generous manner. Most folks don’t have as much of that willing mindset to share dynamic violence,  but it doesn’t make him Delta or a sicario.

He might be in a bit of trouble. It was initially a good shoot, but shooting him on the ground and advancing to put in a head shot might not sit too well.

The one that cuts out.

I haven't looked hard enough to find the full one yet

When they say nothing they say everything.