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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:19:34 AM EDT
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Bye bye Cruz The Trump haters better vote for Trump now After the Trump, "Ted Cruz is Canadian! Herp Derp." it's gonna be a lot harder. Like I've said, I appreciate Trump moving the Overton window, but if he fucks this up for Ted... 
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:20:12 AM EDT
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This is a scandal but Clinton and how she gets her money isn;t.
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:22:36 AM EDT
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Bye bye Cruz The Trump haters better vote for Trump now Not a chance |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:23:29 AM EDT
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After the Trump, "Ted Cruz is Canadian! Herp Derp." it's gonna be a lot harder. Like I've said, I appreciate Trump moving the Overton window, but if he fucks this up for Ted... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bye bye Cruz The Trump haters better vote for Trump now After the Trump, "Ted Cruz is Canadian! Herp Derp." it's gonna be a lot harder. Like I've said, I appreciate Trump moving the Overton window, but if he fucks this up for Ted... Trump likes Cruz but he brings that up because 1) it's a race and he has to try and win and 2) the Dems will sue if Cruz wins, and if it goes to court and Roberts caves again, Congress picks the new President and we get Jeb! |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:24:42 AM EDT
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Trump likes Cruz but he brings that up because 1) it's a race and he has to try and win and 2) the Dems will sue if Cruz wins, and if it goes to court and Roberts caves again, Congress picks the new President and we get Jeb! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bye bye Cruz The Trump haters better vote for Trump now After the Trump, "Ted Cruz is Canadian! Herp Derp." it's gonna be a lot harder. Like I've said, I appreciate Trump moving the Overton window, but if he fucks this up for Ted... Trump likes Cruz but he brings that up because 1) it's a race and he has to try and win and 2) the Dems will sue if Cruz wins, and if it goes to court and Roberts caves again, Congress picks the new President and we get Jeb! How exactly are the Dems going to sue if Cruz wins? |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:25:26 AM EDT
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He reported the loans multiple times. It is laughable to think he has done anything wrong here.  It is laughable that you won't admit, even to yourself, that Cruz broke the law when he disregarded the federal election reporting requirements by not reporting the loans and providing the loan documents to The Federal Election Commission. 
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:26:26 AM EDT
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Mark levin dug into this. Total non issue. Was reported in many places but missed a protocol. And it wasnt even teds responsbility. Was his campaign finance managers. The loan was paid back using teds own money at a regular joes intrest. In fact he used his own assets (home,lad,vehicles) for loan collatoral. Which is why he jad that talk with his wife. Low info voter attack. A successful attack at that. Look at the cultists in his opposition fap to this. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:26:39 AM EDT
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Who cares? It was a loan with an average interest rate that has been paid down. This. Only the conspiracy nuts and mud slingers will give a hoot. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:27:08 AM EDT
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Threads like this show exactly why America is so fucked and will never be great again. We get the Government we deserve. We can't get together on anything or make decisions based upon what peoples actions are, just judge them by the BS they say on TV. Americans are a bunch of fucking idiots and deserve worse than they already have.
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:27:25 AM EDT
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Holy fuck, he didn't HIDE shit!!! Do you think CNN actually did some journalistic investigating to uncover this??? It's out there in the open for all to see if you want to look for it. Cruz just didn't lead with it, his fucking brochures don't have "I GOT A LOAN FROM GOLDMAN SACHS, WHAT'S IN YOUR WALLET?" printed on the front.
When you base your opinions and arguments on specious, fallacious, irrelevant bullshit, your opinions and arguments are worthless. Just cuz it feelz good, don't make it so. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:28:03 AM EDT
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Bye bye Cruz The Trump haters better vote for Trump now LOL nope. Not joining your cult. Honestly if it weren't you guys cultlike devotion to TRump, I would be tempted to vote for him. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:28:10 AM EDT
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It's obvious really. The "slime ball", to use your own words, is the candidate who hid his loan, as well as his financial association with the lenders, from the voters, and didn't report them as required by law. Not the guy who followed the law and adhered to the legal reporting requirements regarding his political donations. I'm sure you'd have given Donald Trump a similar pass had he done the same as Cruz in this matter.
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Ted Cruz takes out a loan- Trump bots go insane and call him a slime ball. Donald Trump gives monetary support to Chuck Schumer and countless other real slime ball democrats- crickets. Who's the slime ball again? Herp derp. It's obvious really. The "slime ball", to use your own words, is the candidate who hid his loan, as well as his financial association with the lenders, from the voters, and didn't report them as required by law. Not the guy who followed the law and adhered to the legal reporting requirements regarding his political donations. I'm sure you'd have given Donald Trump a similar pass had he done the same as Cruz in this matter.
He did not "hide the loans", did you even read the article? |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:29:02 AM EDT
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Oh gym007 is flicking the fuck out of his bean now. 
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:29:24 AM EDT
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Money buys loyalty. Even if the lender does not intend it to be so. Cruz will never forget. At least that will be the narrative.
The guy that wrote The Big Short wrote another fact base story, Liars Poker. In Liars Poker, a lowly mail room employee had a wife that got sick. His employer generously took care of all the expenses without blinking, even though they were under no obligation to. The employee was forever loyal as he could not fathom anyone else doing such a thing for a low level worker. He became one on the most important traders on Wall Street and took that company to the top. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:29:46 AM EDT
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He reported the loans multiple times. It is laughable to think he has done anything wrong here. Obama cultists cannot be reasoned with. All they need are liberal media sound bytes and biased reporting as gospel. Wait did I say Obama ? I meant Trump. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:30:02 AM EDT
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Holy fuck, he didn't HIDE shit!!! Do you think CNN actually did some journalistic investigating to uncover this??? It's out there in the open for all to see if you want to look for it. Cruz just didn't lead with it, his fucking brochures don't have "I GOT A LOAN FROM GOLDMAN SACHS, WHAT'S IN YOUR WALLET?" printed on the front. When you base your opinions and arguments on specious, fallacious, irrelevant bullshit, your opinions and arguments are worthless. Just cuz it feelz good, don't make it so. Only that pesky election law. 
"Kenneth A. Gross, a former election commission lawyer who specializes in campaign finance law, said that listing a bank loan in an annual Senate ethics report — which deals only with personal finances — would not satisfy the requirement that it be promptly disclosed to election officials during a campaign. “They’re two different reporting regimes,” he said. “The law says if you get a loan for the purpose of funding a campaign, you have to show the original source of the loan, the terms of the loan and you even have to provide a copy of the loan document to the Federal Election Commission.” |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:31:26 AM EDT
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Mark levin dug into this. Total non issue. Was reported in many places but missed a protocol. And it wasnt even teds responsbility. Was his campaign finance managers. The loan was paid back using teds own money at a regular joes intrest. In fact he used his own assets (home,lad,vehicles) for loan collatoral. Which is why he jad that talk with his wife. Low info voter attack. Yup, complete non-issue. Had it been an interest free loan, then it would have been appropriate to report the saved interest as a donation and disclose it. But a loan, secured with real property, and at a prevailing interest rate? Who the fuck cares except for those trying to create controversy where none exists. This on top of the supposed eligibility issue? Yup, people are getting terrified about Cruz. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:31:41 AM EDT
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So the guy got a loan to help pay for his campaign a few years ago, and then promptly paid it off. What's the big deal? This is making the national news??  democrats distrust anybody who had a job. If the democrats want to talk about dirty money in politics, especially wall street dirty money, they better be pretty fucking careful. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:32:22 AM EDT
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Holy fuck, he didn't HIDE shit!!! Do you think CNN actually did some journalistic investigating to uncover this??? It's out there in the open for all to see if you want to look for it. Cruz just didn't lead with it, his fucking brochures don't have "I GOT A LOAN FROM GOLDMAN SACHS, WHAT'S IN YOUR WALLET?" printed on the front. When you base your opinions and arguments on specious, fallacious, irrelevant bullshit, your opinions and arguments are worthless. Just cuz it feelz good, don't make it so. Take a deep breath . . . |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:33:06 AM EDT
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In after the snarky Cruz apologists, especially those intellectually dishonest hucksters that brayed like jackasses to the effect that Heidi Cruz's position as an important Managing Director at Goldman Sachs and one of the most powerful people on Wall Street was of no consequence to the Cruz campaign. Cruz has been bought and paid for like a cheap suit.
Guess Ill have to vote for Jeb then, hes surging dont ya know. No way I can vote for that wife beater Trump guy. In before the Misogynists. Thats what you sound like. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:33:20 AM EDT
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democrats distrust anybody who had a job. If the democrats want to talk about dirty money in politics, especially wall street dirty money, they better be pretty fucking careful. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So the guy got a loan to help pay for his campaign a few years ago, and then promptly paid it off. What's the big deal? This is making the national news?? democrats distrust anybody who had a job. If the democrats want to talk about dirty money in politics, especially wall street dirty money, they better be pretty fucking careful. Lois Lerner asks "why"? |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:33:51 AM EDT
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From his Senate Campaign 4 years ago. Sounds like it's not from the current Presidential Campaign. (I'm wondering why the New York Times is digging back into that history...apparently they couldn't do much of that when our current president ran 4 years into his Senate term... )Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Sweetheart, I’d like us to liquidate our entire net worth, liquid net worth, and put it into the campaign,” he says he told his wife, Heidi, who readily agreed. But the couple’s decision to pump more than $1 million into Mr. Cruz’s successful Tea Party-darling Senate bid in Texas was made easier by a large loan from Goldman Sachs, where Mrs. Cruz works. That loan was not disclosed in campaign finance reports. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/14/us/politics/ted-cruz-wall-street-loan-senate-bid-2012.html?_r=0 From his Senate Campaign 4 years ago. Sounds like it's not from the current Presidential Campaign. (I'm wondering why the New York Times is digging back into that history...apparently they couldn't do much of that when our current president ran 4 years into his Senate term... )Or if they'd dig that far into the Clinton Foundation and how Hitlery used her position to solicit "donations" from Foreign governments?? ***Nothing to see here, move along citizen!*** |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:33:59 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:34:49 AM EDT
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Indeed it is. Huge Trump Rally in Pensacola. http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/b7960ab8fc77c896acc5b16142a676498dede9dd/c=1-0-600-450&r=x408&c=540x405/local/-/media/2016/01/13/Pensacola/Pensacola/635883140786176427-webnew1.jpg Huge Cruz rally in King's Christian Bookstore. http://media.salon.com/2016/01/gop-2016-cruz.jpeg2-1280x960.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah, It's old news and not an issue, the opposition is getting desperate. Indeed it is. Huge Trump Rally in Pensacola. http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/b7960ab8fc77c896acc5b16142a676498dede9dd/c=1-0-600-450&r=x408&c=540x405/local/-/media/2016/01/13/Pensacola/Pensacola/635883140786176427-webnew1.jpg Huge Cruz rally in King's Christian Bookstore. http://media.salon.com/2016/01/gop-2016-cruz.jpeg2-1280x960.jpg LOL. Trump 2016!!! |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:36:15 AM EDT
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It would be nice if the media had dug in to obama's past as thoroughly as they are the republican candidates pasts.  They do and that is why you'll never hear about it. Those who know, know to keep it quiet just like they did with Kennedy's whores. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:37:01 AM EDT
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The Cruz rallies are barely bigger than the Jeb rallies
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:37:50 AM EDT
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I'm more interested in Ted Cruz's response to this, rather than freaking out about it too much. If he doesn't address it correctly, it's an albatross around his neck that could make him look like a phoney Tea Party republican like nearly all of them have turned out to be - all talk, but behind the scenes it's business as usual.
In a race where his biggest opponent is the guy saying "I'm not beholden to any special interests", having "Secret Goldman-Sachs Money" tattooed on your forehead is a kiss of death. I won't speak to any legalities, because I know nothing about that. I am only speaking to what voters might perceive. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:39:54 AM EDT
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So fucking what?
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:40:58 AM EDT
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And "you'd think" wrong; shady as hell and in violation of the legal reporting requirements. “The law says if you get a loan for the purpose of funding a campaign, you have to show the original source of the loan, the terms of the loan and you even have to provide a copy of the loan document to the Federal Election Commission.” Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He got a loan... what is shady about that? I'd think it was shady if he got a huge donation and didn't report it, but a loan? Nope. As long as he's paying or paid it back. And "you'd think" wrong; shady as hell and in violation of the legal reporting requirements. “The law says if you get a loan for the purpose of funding a campaign, you have to show the original source of the loan, the terms of the loan and you even have to provide a copy of the loan document to the Federal Election Commission.” The law also says using corporate resources - like Trump's use of the Trump Organization corporate layer, Alan Garten - for political purposes - like sending cease and desist letters (to the wrong PAC) - is an illegal corporate "in kind" political donation. lol |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:42:18 AM EDT
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Ted Cruz takes out a loan- Trump bots go insane and call him a slime ball. Donald Trump gives monetary support to Chuck Schumer and countless other real slime ball democrats- crickets. Who's the slime ball again? Herp derp. Spot fucking on sir, bravo! |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:43:24 AM EDT
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Mark levin dug into this. Total non issue. Was reported in many places but missed a protocol. And it wasnt even teds responsbility. Was his campaign finance managers. The loan was paid back using teds own money at a regular joes intrest. In fact he used his own assets (home,lad,vehicles) for loan collatoral. Which is why he jad that talk with his wife. Low info voter attack. CRUZ 2016 |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:43:47 AM EDT
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Well the NYT reported it, so they obviously wouldn't put a spin of confusion on it to make him seem like he's unworthhy..
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:45:50 AM EDT
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Bye bye Cruz The Trump haters better vote for Trump now Not hardly... And no way in hell. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:47:45 AM EDT
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After the Trump, "Ted Cruz is Canadian! Herp Derp." it's gonna be a lot harder. Like I've said, I appreciate Trump moving the Overton window, but if he fucks this up for Ted... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bye bye Cruz The Trump haters better vote for Trump now After the Trump, "Ted Cruz is Canadian! Herp Derp." it's gonna be a lot harder. Like I've said, I appreciate Trump moving the Overton window, but if he fucks this up for Ted... If he fucks up things for Ted? It's been his plan all along. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:48:17 AM EDT
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Holy fuck, he didn't HIDE shit!!! Do you think CNN actually did some journalistic investigating to uncover this??? It's out there in the open for all to see if you want to look for it. Cruz just didn't lead with it, his fucking brochures don't have "I GOT A LOAN FROM GOLDMAN SACHS, WHAT'S IN YOUR WALLET?" printed on the front. When you base your opinions and arguments on specious, fallacious, irrelevant bullshit, your opinions and arguments are worthless. Just cuz it feelz good, don't make it so. You'd best heed those words yourself then. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:52:26 AM EDT
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"Sweetheart, I’d like us to liquidate our entire net worth, liquid net worth, and put it into the campaign,” he says he told his wife, Heidi, who readily agreed. But the couple’s decision to pump more than $1 million into Mr. Cruz’s successful Tea Party-darling Senate bid in Texas was made easier by a large loan from Goldman Sachs, where Mrs. Cruz works. That loan was not disclosed in campaign finance reports. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/14/us/politics/ted-cruz-wall-street-loan-senate-bid-2012.html?_r=0 meh.at this point with all the illegal BS going around constantly (I mean real illegal go to jail crap) A pittly little million bucks that was A LOAN and probably a fraction of what his wife makes. hell probably paid it back already. I really don't care. I really don't. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:53:04 AM EDT
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If he fucks up things for Ted? It's been his plan all along. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bye bye Cruz The Trump haters better vote for Trump now After the Trump, "Ted Cruz is Canadian! Herp Derp." it's gonna be a lot harder. Like I've said, I appreciate Trump moving the Overton window, but if he fucks this up for Ted... If he fucks up things for Ted? It's been his plan all along. It wasn't all that long ago that the very same parrots here were squawking in unison about his lack of commitment to running and his willingness to go the distance. Well here he is. "Trump will be dropping out any day now". Trump trying to eliminate and defeat a political rival and actually win the election? That rat bastard.
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:53:08 AM EDT
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Ted Cruz takes out a loan- Trump bots go insane and call him a slime ball. Donald Trump gives monetary support to Chuck Schumer and countless other real slime ball democrats- crickets. Who's the slime ball again? Herp derp. Well you see, Trump giving money to democrats is all just peachy because sometimes you need to buy political favors 'because business'. Working for Goldman Sachs is slimy because sometimes they have bought political favors 'because business'. See the difference? |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:54:52 AM EDT
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Cruz can't even keep his own affairs in order. That, along with the Canadian policies he wants to introduce should be the nail in the coffin.
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:54:52 AM EDT
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Well you see, Trump giving money to democrats is all just peachy because sometimes you need to buy political favors 'because business'. Working for Goldman Sachs is slimy because sometimes they have bought political favors 'because business'. See the difference? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ted Cruz takes out a loan- Trump bots go insane and call him a slime ball. Donald Trump gives monetary support to Chuck Schumer and countless other real slime ball democrats- crickets. Who's the slime ball again? Herp derp. Well you see, Trump giving money to democrats is all just peachy because sometimes you need to buy political favors 'because business'. Working for Goldman Sachs is slimy because sometimes they have bought political favors 'because business'. See the difference? Yup. One of them is the one who has been bought.
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:55:14 AM EDT
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Indeed.....The Goldman-Sachs "kiss of death". If true to me it's not so much that he got a low-interest million dollar loan from Goldman-Sachs or even that he did not report it. It's the "we spent everything we had" aspect to fool the rubes that gives me pause.
It makes you wonder what Robert Mercer and his ilk that are funding his PACs expect as a return on their money.
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Uh oh!!  Indeed.....The Goldman-Sachs "kiss of death". If true to me it's not so much that he got a low-interest million dollar loan from Goldman-Sachs or even that he did not report it. It's the "we spent everything we had" aspect to fool the rubes that gives me pause.
It makes you wonder what Robert Mercer and his ilk that are funding his PACs expect as a return on their money.
well they did didn't he. ALL he had and then he had to go get a loan. and he went to a BANK (goldman is a bank now right? same as you and me except it was PERSONAL banking. Common in Europe. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:57:01 AM EDT
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Meh. Doesn't sound like much of anything particularly shady to me. He got a couple loans at the prevailing rates for the time. May have failed to to follow strict protocol on the reporting of those loans but certainly wasn't keeping them a secret as they were disclosed else where. This sounds like a witch hunt to me but I'll withhold judgement till Cruz addresses it. We'll see. Yep Awfully coincidental that it came out right before a debate where the moderators can throw red meat into the circus I've no plans to watch it. I'm no longer interested until they get down to two. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 10:57:28 AM EDT
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well they did didn't he. ALL he had and then he had to go get a loan. and he went to a BANK (goldman is a bank now right? same as you and me except it was PERSONAL banking. Common in Europe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Uh oh!! Indeed.....The Goldman-Sachs "kiss of death". If true to me it's not so much that he got a low-interest million dollar loan from Goldman-Sachs or even that he did not report it. It's the "we spent everything we had" aspect to fool the rubes that gives me pause.
It makes you wonder what Robert Mercer and his ilk that are funding his PACs expect as a return on their money.
well they did didn't he. ALL he had and then he had to go get a loan. and he went to a BANK (goldman is a bank now right? same as you and me except it was PERSONAL banking. Common in Europe. Uh..........no.
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:01:15 AM EDT
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I knew he was a slimeball. He looks like a weasel. Are you a woman, by chance? |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:01:28 AM EDT
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Another desperate attempt by trump to win Iowa, he knows he's going to get his ass handed to him.
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:06:06 AM EDT
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Secured by his wife's company (oh, wait...she's a higher level employee of that company) stock, and personal assets. I'm guessing that the facts don't matter much when you're trying to sling as much mud as you can. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So the guy got a loan to help pay for his campaign a few years ago, and then promptly paid it off. What's the big deal? This is making the national news?? Yeah, I guess it really doesn't matter that Cruz took an unsecured loan from El Chapo bank, the sleaziest bank in the USA. And then Cruz conveniently forgot to report it. And Cruz also forgot about the loan when he was bragging about using his own assets for the campaign, too. Goldman Sachs (the El Chapo of banks) will give any Senate candidate an unsecured $750k loan, right? They don't expect anything in return. It was a secured loan unless I missed something. Secured by his wife's company (oh, wait...she's a higher level employee of that company) stock, and personal assets. I'm guessing that the facts don't matter much when you're trying to sling as much mud as you can. Yup |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:06:32 AM EDT
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In before Sydney! "CCCCCRRRRUUUUZZZZ 2016!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Just got in...... Cruz is still the best candidate out there By an order of magnitude. This |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:08:19 AM EDT
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Not even a tenth of what Hillary has gotten away with, and yet it's the news focus... how odd...
That said, how stupid can these people be to think nobody will notice what they do, particularly in the age of internet media? |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:08:41 AM EDT
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Ted Cruz takes out a loan- Trump bots go insane and call him a slime ball. Donald Trump gives monetary support to Chuck Schumer and countless other real slime ball democrats- crickets. Who's the slime ball again? Herp derp. Slime ball? Who was hiding shit? Lol |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:09:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mark levin dug into this. Total non issue. Was reported in many places but missed a protocol. And it wasnt even teds responsbility. Was his campaign finance managers. The loan was paid back using teds own money at a regular joes intrest. In fact he used his own assets (home,lad,vehicles) for loan collatoral. Which is why he jad that talk with his wife. Low info voter attack. |
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