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Posted: 1/14/2016 12:11:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's unlikely that they even know about that inconvenient fact.  http://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/ted-cruz-2016-senate-vote-record-117201 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I already have. I look at Cruz's voting history and stand on issues. And then I look at Trump's, which is whatever way the wind is blowing. It was an easy decision. It's unlikely that they even know about that inconvenient fact. http://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/ted-cruz-2016-senate-vote-record-117201 "The conservative firebrand’s attendance issues came to light last month when POLITICO reported that he’d attended just three of 16 public hearings held so far this year by the Armed Services Committee — making him the only one of the panel’s 26 members with an attendance rate this year below 50 percent. Asked about the issue, Cruz blamed his presidential bid. "When you’re putting together a campaign for president, like I’ve been, that entails a lot of time,” he told radio host Dana Loesch, as The Huffington Post reported at the time. "It’s not like I’ve been at the beach sipping a piña colada.”" No bullshit, Cruz has a lot in common with Obama, both served in the senate for a few years, both spent more time posturing for name recognition before putting in Presidential bids. Cruz doesn't have the support or fire though. Based on his voting record and his OWN statements, he's been phoning it in and cares more about getting elected than doing the job he was hired to do. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 12:12:41 PM EDT
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I don't know whether you're stupid or intellectually dishonest - I'm tending to believe the latter since you are (or were) an admitted political operative in NY - but the issue in federal election law is not who makes the complaint; its what the actual violation was. Nice attempt to deflect the issue, but the real issue here is Trump's use of Trump Organization resources for Trump's own political purposes, which is an illegal in kind donation. The documents are out there on the net and I've linked to them. Alan Garten from the Trump Organization sent cease and desist letters, on Trump Organization letterhead, on behalf of Trump's political campaign, which is an illegal in kind donation. Sorather than trying to deflect the issue, why don't you address it head on? Also, since you believe Clark Spies making the complaint to the FEC is not necessarily proof of wrongdoing by Trump, who made the complaint about Cruz, or did the FEC take up the matter sua sponte? ETA - personally, I don't think either alleged violation is really that noteworthy, except Clark Spies response to Alan Garten was hilarious. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My point being, why is campaign finance the cross you decided to carry? Instead of a political position? Because it speaks to both the honestly and viability of a candidate and it's important. So its OK when Trump violates federal election law, but its not ok when Cruz does it. Yeah, that really speaks to your honesty. 
LOL. Because the some lawyer working on behalf of the GOPe and JEB bush having filed some "complaint" with the SEC means that " Trump has violated federal election law" and is exactly the same thing as Cruz's refusal to report campaign loans and their documents to,the Federal Election committee as required by law and fooling the voters as to how his campaign was being funded by Goldman Sachs. "A Republican lawyer working on behalf of outside groups supporting Jeb Bush for president filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission on Wednesday alleging that Donald Trump is illegally mixing his campaign interests with corporate business.??" 
I don't know whether you're stupid or intellectually dishonest - I'm tending to believe the latter since you are (or were) an admitted political operative in NY - but the issue in federal election law is not who makes the complaint; its what the actual violation was. Nice attempt to deflect the issue, but the real issue here is Trump's use of Trump Organization resources for Trump's own political purposes, which is an illegal in kind donation. The documents are out there on the net and I've linked to them. Alan Garten from the Trump Organization sent cease and desist letters, on Trump Organization letterhead, on behalf of Trump's political campaign, which is an illegal in kind donation. Sorather than trying to deflect the issue, why don't you address it head on? Also, since you believe Clark Spies making the complaint to the FEC is not necessarily proof of wrongdoing by Trump, who made the complaint about Cruz, or did the FEC take up the matter sua sponte? ETA - personally, I don't think either alleged violation is really that noteworthy, except Clark Spies response to Alan Garten was hilarious. "A Republican lawyer working on behalf of outside groups supporting Jeb Bush for president filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission on Wednesday alleging that Donald Trump is illegally mixing his campaign interests with corporate business." [Address the topic not the poster - Paul] |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 12:13:13 PM EDT
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The Goldman Sachs loan itself is hardly news. Hell, Open Secrets had hit piece articles about it years ago.
If it wasn't reported properly someone screwed up. That can certainly be blamed on Cruz, since he's supposed to be in charge. But the "hiding contributions from Goldman Sachs because everyone hates them and he is their puppet" line is pure liberal fantasy. It was muck raked during his senate campaign by both the establishment GOP the trumpbots claim to hate so much and by the democrats. Tempest in a teacup. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 12:14:12 PM EDT
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I don't know whether you're stupid or intellectually dishonest - I'm tending to believe the latter since you are (or were) an admitted political operative in NY - but the issue in federal election law is not who makes the complaint; its what the actual violation was. Nice attempt to deflect the issue, but the real issue here is Trump's use of Trump Organization resources for Trump's own political purposes, which is an illegal in kind donation. The documents are out there on the net and I've linked to them. Alan Garten from the Trump Organization sent cease and desist letters, on Trump Organization letterhead, on behalf of Trump's political campaign, which is an illegal in kind donation. Sorather than trying to deflect the issue, why don't you address it head on? Also, since you believe Clark Spies making the complaint to the FEC is not necessarily proof of wrongdoing by Trump, who made the complaint about Cruz, or did the FEC take up the matter sua sponte? ETA - personally, I don't think either alleged violation is really that noteworthy, except Clark Spies response to Alan Garten was hilarious. I do know whether you are stupid or intellectually dishonest. So you can't answer the question; just more obfuscation, huh? I'll have to reassess my judgement of your intellect. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 12:15:44 PM EDT
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Don't care.
I'd still vote for him. Until FBHO, Louis Learner, Both Attorney Generals, and FHRC are in jail I just don't care. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 12:16:48 PM EDT
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"The conservative firebrand’s attendance issues came to light last month when POLITICO reported that he’d attended just three of 16 public hearings held so far this year by the Armed Services Committee — making him the only one of the panel’s 26 members with an attendance rate this year below 50 percent. Asked about the issue, Cruz blamed his presidential bid. "When you’re putting together a campaign for president, like I’ve been, that entails a lot of time,” he told radio host Dana Loesch, as The Huffington Post reported at the time. "It’s not like I’ve been at the beach sipping a piña colada.”" No bullshit, Cruz has a lot in common with Obama, both served in the senate for a few years, both spent more time posturing for name recognition before putting in Presidential bids. Cruz doesn't have the support or fire though. Based on his voting record and his OWN statements, he's been phoning it in and cares more about getting elected than doing the job he was hired to do. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I already have. I look at Cruz's voting history and stand on issues. And then I look at Trump's, which is whatever way the wind is blowing. It was an easy decision. It's unlikely that they even know about that inconvenient fact.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/ted-cruz-2016-senate-vote-record-117201 Asked about the issue, Cruz blamed his presidential bid. "When you’re putting together a campaign for president, like I’ve been, that entails a lot of time,” he told radio host Dana Loesch, as The Huffington Post reported at the time. "It’s not like I’ve been at the beach sipping a piña colada.”" No bullshit, Cruz has a lot in common with Obama, both served in the senate for a few years, both spent more time posturing for name recognition before putting in Presidential bids. Cruz doesn't have the support or fire though. Based on his voting record and his OWN statements, he's been phoning it in and cares more about getting elected than doing the job he was hired to do. "I don't care" ~ The Clueless Blowhards |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 12:17:34 PM EDT
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Ever hear of strategy? Plenty of stuff available to click and read online about the strategy and explanation. He has a few votes when taken at face value look questionable. Until you take the time to read why he is doing what he is doin. This game of CHESS is very hard for people to understand who only play checkers and appear to have a losing record at that. Crown him. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obviously, as evidenced by 100% of his voting record. OH WAIT, that doesn't help your cause at all. Cruz 2016 How soon some of us forget. The Senator voted FOR Corker-Cardin (the bill which set up the Iran nuclear trade deal after he voted AGAINST it and he voted FOR "fast track authority" before he voted AGAINST it. This game of CHESS is very hard for people to understand who only play checkers and appear to have a losing record at that. Crown him.
His strategy of fooling some of the people is working! |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 12:19:05 PM EDT
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Sure are a lot of experts around here. Wanna know why the democrats are gonna win this election? *ding* *ding* *ding* I know, I know....pick me...pick me. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 12:31:18 PM EDT
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He got a fucking loan from them. That doesn't mean he's carrying their water. Show me where Cruz has used his position in the Senate to make legislation, cast votes, or otherwise exploit his influence to unfairly favor Goldman Sach's. If he's done that I wanna know. I'm a huge Ted supporter but if he's dirty I wanna know. Simply taking out a loan at a fair market rate using his assets as collateral and paying it back is not dirty though. He could have gotten that loan anywhere. If Ted is carrying water for Goldman Sachs what's in it for him? What did Goldman Sachs give him in return? Just a loan? That's what banks do. It doesn't appear he was given an extraordinary deal in any way. It just doesn't appear to be dirty in any way. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And so many think Cruz is not an establishment candidate. Do you know who else carries Goldman Sach's water? BHO. The establishment isn't the RNC, it's Wall Street. He got a fucking loan from them. That doesn't mean he's carrying their water. Show me where Cruz has used his position in the Senate to make legislation, cast votes, or otherwise exploit his influence to unfairly favor Goldman Sach's. If he's done that I wanna know. I'm a huge Ted supporter but if he's dirty I wanna know. Simply taking out a loan at a fair market rate using his assets as collateral and paying it back is not dirty though. He could have gotten that loan anywhere. If Ted is carrying water for Goldman Sachs what's in it for him? What did Goldman Sachs give him in return? Just a loan? That's what banks do. It doesn't appear he was given an extraordinary deal in any way. It just doesn't appear to be dirty in any way. it'll be spun that way by the msm, it'll be "hoser Ted, brought to you be goldman sach's" |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 12:32:16 PM EDT
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As I was saying.....old news, and hardly "hidden" like the liberals and Trumpbots claim. Hell, the man mentions the loan from Goldman Sachs in his book.
The funniest part of all this to me is how for months the Trumbots have been telling us how they really do like Cruz, and he's someone they'd vote for if he was polling higher but polling just proves that we all have to support Trump.....and then when Trump and Cruz are neck and neck in polling in Iowa, the knives come out and they show their true colors, jumping with joy over a hit piece from the liberal New York Times on a guy they claimed to support.
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Posted: 1/14/2016 12:33:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/14/2016 12:37:21 PM EDT
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http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/antiarocking74/414F6866-4F9C-4C0F-A4B6-4E7E64E30DE2.png_zpsxmvppr7b.jpeg http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/antiarocking74/9C4CEFA5-D632-4560-9E07-5C036BBACE2A.png_zpslowujfhv.jpeg As I was saying.....old news, and hardly "hidden" like the liberals and Trumpbots claim. Hell, the man mentions the loan from Goldman Sachs in his book.
The funniest part of all this to me is how for months the Trumbots have been telling us how they really do like Cruz, and he's someone they'd vote for if he was polling higher but polling just proves that we all have to support Trump.....and then when Trump and Cruz are neck and neck in polling in Iowa, the knives come out and they show their true colors, jumping with joy over a hit piece from the liberal New York Times on a guy they claimed to support.
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Posted: 1/14/2016 12:46:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: His strategy of fooling some of the people is working! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Obviously, as evidenced by 100% of his voting record. OH WAIT, that doesn't help your cause at all. Cruz 2016 How soon some of us forget. The Senator voted FOR Corker-Cardin (the bill which set up the Iran nuclear trade deal after he voted AGAINST it and he voted FOR "fast track authority" before he voted AGAINST it. This game of CHESS is very hard for people to understand who only play checkers and appear to have a losing record at that. Crown him. His strategy of fooling some of the people is working! |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 12:50:49 PM EDT
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Conservatives quoting liberal attacks against Cruz.
Yeah...You're conservative. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 12:52:25 PM EDT
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The funniest part of all this to me is how for months the Trumbots have been telling us how they really do like Cruz, and he's someone they'd vote for if he was polling higher but polling just proves that we all have to support Trump.....and then when Trump and Cruz are neck and neck in polling in Iowa, the knives come out and they show their true colors, jumping with joy over a hit piece from the liberal New York Times on a guy they claimed to support.
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Posted: 1/14/2016 12:53:25 PM EDT
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Conservatives quoting liberal attacks against Cruz.
Yeah...You're conservative. Just like Trump! |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 12:54:03 PM EDT
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Cruz can't even keep his own affairs in order. That, along with the Canadian policies he wants to introduce should be the nail in the coffin. Canadian policies... like what, single payer health care that TRUMP supports? Like gun control that TRUMP supported? Like confiscatory tax rates, like TRUMP's wealth tax? |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 12:54:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/antiarocking74/9C4CEFA5-D632-4560-9E07-5C036BBACE2A.png_zpslowujfhv.jpeg As I was saying.....old news, and hardly "hidden" like the liberals and Trumpbots claim. Hell, the man mentions the loan from Goldman Sachs in his book. The funniest part of all this to me is how for months the Trumbots have been telling us how they really do like Cruz, and he's someone they'd vote for if he was polling higher but polling just proves that we all have to support Trump.....and then when Trump and Cruz are neck and neck in polling in Iowa, the knives come out and they show their true colors, jumping with joy over a hit piece from the liberal New York Times on a guy they claimed to support. The OP link listed a Goldman Sachs loan between $250,000 and $500,000. It's not included on that form signed by Ted Cruz. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 12:56:40 PM EDT
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Too bad Teddy didn't have a lawyer to manage his campaign's paperwork. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/01/14/10-reasons-that-goldman-sachs-loan-is-a-nightmare-for-ted-cruz/ Pravda on the Potomac... you would be calling this a hack news source if it was doing Trump's hatchet work for him. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 1:01:25 PM EDT
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Indeed it is. Huge Trump Rally in Pensacola. http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/b7960ab8fc77c896acc5b16142a676498dede9dd/c=1-0-600-450&r=x408&c=540x405/local/-/media/2016/01/13/Pensacola/Pensacola/635883140786176427-webnew1.jpg Huge Cruz rally in King's Christian Bookstore. http://media.salon.com/2016/01/gop-2016-cruz.jpeg2-1280x960.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah, It's old news and not an issue, the opposition is getting desperate. Indeed it is. Huge Trump Rally in Pensacola. http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/b7960ab8fc77c896acc5b16142a676498dede9dd/c=1-0-600-450&r=x408&c=540x405/local/-/media/2016/01/13/Pensacola/Pensacola/635883140786176427-webnew1.jpg Huge Cruz rally in King's Christian Bookstore. http://media.salon.com/2016/01/gop-2016-cruz.jpeg2-1280x960.jpg Sea of bluehairs 
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Posted: 1/14/2016 1:01:58 PM EDT
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Could he have used campaign donations to pay the loan down if the loan was specified for the campaign? That would make sense to me as the reason to get the loan was for quick exposure at a critical time. If Goldman Sachs gave him the loan and then funneled money to his campaign it would be an issue to me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Uh oh!!  Indeed.....The Goldman-Sachs "kiss of death". If true to me it's not so much that he got a low-interest million dollar loan from Goldman-Sachs or even that he did not report it. It's the "we spent everything we had" aspect to fool the rubes that gives me pause. 
It makes you wonder what Robert Mercer and his ilk that are funding his PACs expect as a return on their money. 
Could he have used campaign donations to pay the loan down if the loan was specified for the campaign? That would make sense to me as the reason to get the loan was for quick exposure at a critical time. If Goldman Sachs gave him the loan and then funneled money to his campaign it would be an issue to me. Yea, especially in an "anti-establishment" year. . . I already knew his wife would become an issue at some point but was hoping it would be just via talking points and nothing substantive. Hope it's not true. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 1:02:25 PM EDT
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And so many think Cruz is not an establishment candidate. Do you know who else carries Goldman Sach's water? BHO. Goldman Sachs owns most of Washington regardless of which political party they represent. They do not own Trump. How important is that? You decide. I already have. I look at Cruz's voting history and stand on issues. And then I look at Trump's, which is whatever way the wind is blowing. It was an easy decision. Your confusing him with Rubio. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 1:03:31 PM EDT
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How is Canuck Cruz getting a Goldman Sachs loan worse than the Clintons setting up a billion dollar shell corporation/charity and using it to launder/funnel money into Hillary's campaign, while paying themselves a metric fuckton to administrate it? It's not worse; it's just business as usual among the political and donor classes. VOTE FOR CRUZ......BECAUSE....BUSINESS AS USUAL CRUZ...BECAUSE HILLARY IS EVEN MORE DISHONEST lol Yeah, he's the only person on my ignore list for a reason. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 1:03:59 PM EDT
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Too bad Teddy didn't have a lawyer to manage his campaign's paperwork. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/01/14/10-reasons-that-goldman-sachs-loan-is-a-nightmare-for-ted-cruz/ Quote HistoryQuoted:
Too bad Teddy didn't have a lawyer to manage his campaign's paperwork. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/01/14/10-reasons-that-goldman-sachs-loan-is-a-nightmare-for-ted-cruz/ Oh, here's a doozie from that very objective piece of journalism... 8. Oh, it was not just Goldman. The Times report says that “in the first half of 2012, Ted and Heidi Cruz obtained the low-interest loan from Goldman Sachs, as well as another one from Citibank. The loans totaled as much as $750,000 and eventually increased to a maximum of $1 million before being paid down later that year. There is no explanation of their purpose.” Citibank was another Wall Street firm tied up in the housing disaster Wait, he got a loan from a bank his wife isn't affiliated with? If Goldman bought the guy, don't you think they would have loaned him more? Do you think it would have been the most favorable of terms? Why go to another bank and pay more? Wait, maybe that bank (to which he has no relationship) offered better terms than Goldman... the bank that supposedly bought him... Oh, and according to that piece, he borrowed more than $1 million and has paid it down to $50,000-$100,000. Given that they are putting a range down, I'm guessing that comes from his Senate Financial Disclosure Forms. So, he was not in compliance with filing an FEC form, but he reported the liability in several other locations, including the Senate. This is a whole lot of something over even more nothing. Get back to me when it is shown that the loan was significantly below prevailing interest rates at that time for somebody of his and his wife's means. Get back to me when there is any indication that the loan bought Goldman any undo influence. And once a loan is paid back, which it nearly is, what possible influence could the lender exert? |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 1:04:40 PM EDT
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The OP link listed a Goldman Sachs loan between $250,000 and $500,000. It's not included on that form signed by Ted Cruz.
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The OP link listed a Goldman Sachs loan between $250,000 and $500,000. It's not included on that form signed by Ted Cruz.
I'm going to help you out here by quoting your own article. Ted and Heidi Cruz obtained the low-interest loan from Goldman Sachs, as well as another one from Citibank. The loans totaled as much as $750,000 and eventually increased to a maximum of $1 million before being paid down later that year. The failure to report the Goldman Sachs loan, for as much as $500,000 Did I miss the part where they listed the specific value of the Goldman Sachs loan by itself somewhere, or are you falling for their attempts to make the Goldman Sachs loan seem as big as possible? |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 1:04:43 PM EDT
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The funniest part of all this to me is how for months the Trumbots have been telling us how they really do like Cruz, and he's someone they'd vote for if he was polling higher but polling just proves that we all have to support Trump.....and then when Trump and Cruz are neck and neck in polling in Iowa, the knives come out and they show their true colors, jumping with joy over a hit piece from the liberal New York Times on a guy they claimed to support.
Now we patiently wait for apologies and retractions. None of the Trumpsters are man enough... |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 1:05:43 PM EDT
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I don't know whether you're stupid or intellectually dishonest - I'm tending to believe the latter since you are (or were) an admitted political operative in NY - but the issue in federal election law is not who makes the complaint; its what the actual violation was. Nice attempt to deflect the issue, but the real issue here is Trump's use of Trump Organization resources for Trump's own political purposes, which is an illegal in kind donation. The documents are out there on the net and I've linked to them. Alan Garten from the Trump Organization sent cease and desist letters, on Trump Organization letterhead, on behalf of Trump's political campaign, which is an illegal in kind donation. Sorather than trying to deflect the issue, why don't you address it head on? Also, since you believe Clark Spies making the complaint to the FEC is not necessarily proof of wrongdoing by Trump, who made the complaint about Cruz, or did the FEC take up the matter sua sponte? ETA - personally, I don't think either alleged violation is really that noteworthy, except Clark Spies response to Alan Garten was hilarious. I do know whether you are stupid or intellectually dishonest. So you can't answer the question; just more obfuscation, huh? I'll have to reassess my judgement of your intellect. Nice selective editing. "A Republican lawyer working on behalf of outside groups supporting Jeb Bush for president filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission on Wednesday alleging that Donald Trump is illegally mixing his campaign interests with corporate business. Maybe read it over a couple times. . . really slow so you can process this. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 1:06:09 PM EDT
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I didn't say it was dirty. I said someone who is married to a senior manager at Goldman Sachs and uses Goldman Sachs loans to fund his political campaigns is an establishment candidate no matter what he says or what people want to believe. Just like big (really big) business somehow benefits from BHO's administration, even though he's allegedly a populist. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And so many think Cruz is not an establishment candidate. Do you know who else carries Goldman Sach's water? BHO. The establishment isn't the RNC, it's Wall Street. He got a fucking loan from them. That doesn't mean he's carrying their water. Show me where Cruz has used his position in the Senate to make legislation, cast votes, or otherwise exploit his influence to unfairly favor Goldman Sach's. If he's done that I wanna know. I'm a huge Ted supporter but if he's dirty I wanna know. Simply taking out a loan at a fair market rate using his assets as collateral and paying it back is not dirty though. He could have gotten that loan anywhere. If Ted is carrying water for Goldman Sachs what's in it for him? What did Goldman Sachs give him in return? Just a loan? That's what banks do. It doesn't appear he was given an extraordinary deal in any way. It just doesn't appear to be dirty in any way. I didn't say it was dirty. I said someone who is married to a senior manager at Goldman Sachs and uses Goldman Sachs loans to fund his political campaigns is an establishment candidate no matter what he says or what people want to believe. Just like big (really big) business somehow benefits from BHO's administration, even though he's allegedly a populist. Anyone making the argument that Cruz is just another establishment hack is willfully ignorant. Cruz is absolutely loathed by the establishment. In many ways he is their enemey. How you can make assertion that he is part of the GOPe simply because his wife works for a big bank is beyond me. It makes no sense at all. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 1:07:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your confusing him with Rubio. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Does that include all of the votes he doesn't show up for, making him one of the most absent guys? Your confusing him with Rubio. Cruz is on the record defending not doing his job because like Obama, he's stopped showing up for work to run for President. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 1:07:14 PM EDT
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The OP link listed a Goldman Sachs loan between $250,000 and $500,000. It's not included on that form signed by Ted Cruz.
I'm going to help you out here by quoting your own article. Ted and Heidi Cruz obtained the low-interest loan from Goldman Sachs, as well as another one from Citibank. The loans totaled as much as $750,000 and eventually increased to a maximum of $1 million before being paid down later that year. The failure to report the Goldman Sachs loan, for as much as $500,000 Did I miss the part where they listed the specific value of the Goldman Sachs loan by itself somewhere, or are you falling for their attempts to make the Goldman Sachs loan seem as big as possible? Trumpsters aren't know for their reading or, critical thinking skills.. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 1:07:34 PM EDT
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Get back to me when it is shown that the loan was significantly below prevailing interest rates at that time for somebody of his and his wife's means. Get back to me when there is any indication that the loan bought Goldman any undo influence. And once a loan is paid back, which it nearly is, what possible influence could the lender exert? By the level of logic being displayed here, if I take out a Citibank loan with a standard rate of interest and backed by my personal assets, use the money to buy a gun and shoot a politician with it, I'm under the control of Citibank and they clearly ordered me to assassinate an enemy of theirs because I took out a Citibank loan. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 1:09:34 PM EDT
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So its OK when Trump violates federal election law, but its not ok when Cruz does it. Yeah, that really speaks to your honesty.
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My point being, why is campaign finance the cross you decided to carry? Instead of a political position? Because it speaks to both the honestly and viability of a candidate and it's important. So its OK when Trump violates federal election law, but its not ok when Cruz does it. Yeah, that really speaks to your honesty.
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Posted: 1/14/2016 1:10:29 PM EDT
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I didn't say it was dirty. I said someone who is married to a senior manager at Goldman Sachs and uses Goldman Sachs loans to fund his political campaigns is an establishment candidate no matter what he says or what people want to believe. Just like big (really big) business somehow benefits from BHO's administration, even though he's allegedly a populist. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And so many think Cruz is not an establishment candidate. Do you know who else carries Goldman Sach's water? BHO. The establishment isn't the RNC, it's Wall Street. He got a fucking loan from them. That doesn't mean he's carrying their water. Show me where Cruz has used his position in the Senate to make legislation, cast votes, or otherwise exploit his influence to unfairly favor Goldman Sach's. If he's done that I wanna know. I'm a huge Ted supporter but if he's dirty I wanna know. Simply taking out a loan at a fair market rate using his assets as collateral and paying it back is not dirty though. He could have gotten that loan anywhere. If Ted is carrying water for Goldman Sachs what's in it for him? What did Goldman Sachs give him in return? Just a loan? That's what banks do. It doesn't appear he was given an extraordinary deal in any way. It just doesn't appear to be dirty in any way. I didn't say it was dirty. I said someone who is married to a senior manager at Goldman Sachs and uses Goldman Sachs loans to fund his political campaigns is an establishment candidate no matter what he says or what people want to believe. Just like big (really big) business somehow benefits from BHO's administration, even though he's allegedly a populist. He also took out a loan from Citibank... Does his wife work there also? |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 1:12:24 PM EDT
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I saw the headlines and figured, another baseless attack from the left, probably only some menial small loan for......
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Posted: 1/14/2016 1:15:01 PM EDT
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The Clinton's are laughing at this and us. "Dumbass shoulda started a "foundation." </SlickWillieVoice> |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 1:15:15 PM EDT
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I can't believe so many folks want to fall for the NYT trick-- report something already well known as if it is breaking news, in a breathless tone, in the hopes that so many people have no recollection of history.
NYT doing Trump's dirty work. . . . . . . . hmm. Honestly, there's no reason to tear apart either one of these guys. I prefer Cruz, then Rubio. . . . . . BUT I'll take Trump. Stay positive. What's so good about your guy, that you're willing to overlook some of the liabilities? For ME, Trump has more liabilities, centering around two things: I don't trust him to follow the Constitution, and I don't trust him to keep his emotional immaturity in check. Cruz, OTOH, isn't very likable, and this matters a lot to women especially. And women vote. But he will appoint judges that will have a generational impact on the future of our country, and he will have the strength and knowledge to force the other branches back into Constitutional alignment. No way Trump COULD do that, and he seems to have no interest in it. So there you go. If you want, wrap yourself around one axle or the other, then when your guy loses you can stay home and help Hillary win. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 1:15:45 PM EDT
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It would be nice if the media had dug in to obama's past as thoroughly as they are the republican candidates pasts. Never happen.
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Posted: 1/14/2016 1:16:07 PM EDT
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http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/antiarocking74/414F6866-4F9C-4C0F-A4B6-4E7E64E30DE2.png_zpsxmvppr7b.jpeg http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/antiarocking74/9C4CEFA5-D632-4560-9E07-5C036BBACE2A.png_zpslowujfhv.jpeg As I was saying.....old news, and hardly "hidden" like the liberals and Trumpbots claim. Hell, the man mentions the loan from Goldman Sachs in his book.
The funniest part of all this to me is how for months the Trumbots have been telling us how they really do like Cruz, and he's someone they'd vote for if he was polling higher but polling just proves that we all have to support Trump.....and then when Trump and Cruz are neck and neck in polling in Iowa, the knives come out and they show their true colors, jumping with joy over a hit piece from the liberal New York Times on a guy they claimed to support.
 so loans from Wells Fargo, Citibank, Bank of America, the Senate Credit Union, AND Goldman... but somehow he is bought and paid for by GOLDMAN?
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Posted: 1/14/2016 1:18:51 PM EDT
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Not really, it's actually spot on. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/01/14/10-reasons-that-goldman-sachs-loan-is-a-nightmare-for-ted-cruz/ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What an absurd defense of a politician who got himself caught lying yo the voters and breaking the law while doing so.
That's a stretch. Not really, it's actually spot on. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/01/14/10-reasons-that-goldman-sachs-loan-is-a-nightmare-for-ted-cruz/ So desperate to be right you're quoting a Washington Post article? Seriously, you might as well be posting "Heeer deeer Cruz sucks, Trump 2016!", you're about on that level right now. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 1:19:35 PM EDT
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Now we patiently wait for apologies and retractions. On page 3, I said I wasn't freaked out about this issue at all and showed concern how it could be used to paint Cruz in a negative light. Does that mean I'm still not man enough? Am I still illiterate, still stupid, even though I'd vote for Cruz in a heartbeat despite this silly nonsense about Canada and Goldman Sachs? I would wait patiently for you guys to apologize and retract your own broad brush comments, but I'm not that naive. Besides, who gives a shit about this? Trump is going to drop out of the race after tonight's debate anyways... right? |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 1:20:50 PM EDT
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So desperate to be right you're quoting a Washington Post article? Seriously, you might as well be posting "Heeer deeer Cruz sucks, Trump 2016!", you're about on that level right now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What an absurd defense of a politician who got himself caught lying yo the voters and breaking the law while doing so.
That's a stretch. Not really, it's actually spot on. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/01/14/10-reasons-that-goldman-sachs-loan-is-a-nightmare-for-ted-cruz/ So desperate to be right you're quoting a Washington Post article? Seriously, you might as well be posting "Heeer deeer Cruz sucks, Trump 2016!", you're about on that level right now. It's not even a Pravda on the Potomac ARTICLE, its a BLOG on their site... |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 1:22:22 PM EDT
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I saw the headlines and figured, another baseless attack from the left, probably only some menial small loan for...... $750,000? Nooooooooooooooooooo Do you have any idea what a MD at a large IB like GS makes? In some areas, that would be an annual bonus. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 1:22:37 PM EDT
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On page 3, I said I wasn't freaked out about this issue at all and showed concern how it could be used to paint Cruz in a negative light. Does that mean I'm still not man enough? Am I still illiterate, still stupid, even though I'd vote for Cruz in a heartbeat despite this silly nonsense about Canada and Goldman Sachs? I would wait patiently for you guys to apologize and retract your own broad brush comments, but I'm not that naive. Besides, who gives a shit about this? Trump is going to drop out of the race after tonight's debate anyways... right? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Now we patiently wait for apologies and retractions. On page 3, I said I wasn't freaked out about this issue at all and showed concern how it could be used to paint Cruz in a negative light. Does that mean I'm still not man enough? Am I still illiterate, still stupid, even though I'd vote for Cruz in a heartbeat despite this silly nonsense about Canada and Goldman Sachs? I would wait patiently for you guys to apologize and retract your own broad brush comments, but I'm not that naive. Besides, who gives a shit about this? Trump is going to drop out of the race after tonight's debate anyways... right? Trumps done for. You heard it here first!
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Posted: 1/14/2016 1:29:42 PM EDT
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http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/antiarocking74/414F6866-4F9C-4C0F-A4B6-4E7E64E30DE2.png_zpsxmvppr7b.jpeg http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/antiarocking74/9C4CEFA5-D632-4560-9E07-5C036BBACE2A.png_zpslowujfhv.jpeg As I was saying.....old news, and hardly "hidden" like the liberals and Trumpbots claim. Hell, the man mentions the loan from Goldman Sachs in his book.
The funniest part of all this to me is how for months the Trumbots have been telling us how they really do like Cruz, and he's someone they'd vote for if he was polling higher but polling just proves that we all have to support Trump.....and then when Trump and Cruz are neck and neck in polling in Iowa, the knives come out and they show their true colors, jumping with joy over a hit piece from the liberal New York Times on a guy they claimed to support.
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Posted: 1/14/2016 1:30:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/14/2016 1:35:02 PM EDT
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Cruz really needs to deal with this RFN, before tonight's QA session.
As Ted Cruz tells it, the story of how he financed his upstart campaign for the United States Senate four years ago is an endearing example of loyalty and shared sacrifice between a married couple.
“Sweetheart, I’d like us to liquidate our entire net worth, liquid net worth, and put it into the campaign,” he says he told his wife, Heidi, who readily agreed. But the couple’s decision to pump more than $1 million into Mr. Cruz’s successful Tea Party-darling Senate bid in Texas was made easier by a large loan from Goldman Sachs, where Mrs. Cruz works. That loan was not disclosed in campaign finance reports. Those reports show that in the critical weeks before the May 2012 Republican primary, Mr. Cruz — currently a leading contender for his party’s presidential nomination — put “personal funds” totaling $960,000 into his Senate campaign. Two months later, shortly before a scheduled runoff election, he added more, bringing the total to $1.2 million — “which is all we had saved,” as Mr. Cruz described it in an interview with The New York Times several years ago. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 2:04:48 PM EDT
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Cruz really needs to deal with this RFN, before tonight's QA session. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Cruz really needs to deal with this RFN, before tonight's QA session. As Ted Cruz tells it, the story of how he financed his upstart campaign for the United States Senate four years ago is an endearing example of loyalty and shared sacrifice between a married couple.
“Sweetheart, I’d like us to liquidate our entire net worth, liquid net worth, and put it into the campaign,” he says he told his wife, Heidi, who readily agreed. But the couple’s decision to pump more than $1 million into Mr. Cruz’s successful Tea Party-darling Senate bid in Texas was made easier by a large loan from Goldman Sachs, where Mrs. Cruz works. That loan was not disclosed in campaign finance reports. Those reports show that in the critical weeks before the May 2012 Republican primary, Mr. Cruz — currently a leading contender for his party’s presidential nomination — put “personal funds” totaling $960,000 into his Senate campaign. Two months later, shortly before a scheduled runoff election, he added more, bringing the total to $1.2 million — “which is all we had saved,” as Mr. Cruz described it in an interview with The New York Times several years ago. Do you know how you turn real estate into liquid assets without selling those assets? I'll wait right here... |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 2:56:56 PM EDT
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The OP link listed a Goldman Sachs loan between $250,000 and $500,000. It's not included on that form signed by Ted Cruz.
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The funniest part of all this to me is how for months the Trumbots have been telling us how they really do like Cruz, and he's someone they'd vote for if he was polling higher but polling just proves that we all have to support Trump.....and then when Trump and Cruz are neck and neck in polling in Iowa, the knives come out and they show their true colors, jumping with joy over a hit piece from the liberal New York Times on a guy they claimed to support.
The OP link listed a Goldman Sachs loan between $250,000 and $500,000. It's not included on that form signed by Ted Cruz.
"Kenneth A. Gross, a former election commission lawyer who specializes in campaign finance law, said that listing a bank loan in an annual Senate ethics report — which deals only with personal finances — would not satisfy the requirement that it be promptly disclosed to election officials during a campaign. “They’re two different reporting regimes,” he said. “The law says if you get a loan for the purpose of funding a campaign, you have to show the original source of the loan, the terms of the loan and you even have to provide a copy of the loan document to the Federal Election Commission.” What even funnier is that is the form filed with the Senate Ethics Commitee after the fact, and NOT the legally required filing of the loan particulars and the actual loan documents with the Federal Election Committee , which was legally required to be disclosed BEFORE THE CANDIDATE WAS ELECTED , during the election, NOT AFTER IT, which is what this entire damned thread is about. And the federal election laws don't allow for "mentioning it in his book" after the fact as a substitute for a legal disclosure to the Federal Election Committee.
Seems like the loudest mouths in this thread can't fucking read or comprehend two separate issues simultaneously. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 3:06:06 PM EDT
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Did I make it in before the Trump leg humping?
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Posted: 1/14/2016 3:07:42 PM EDT
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Cruz really needs to deal with this RFN, before tonight's QA session. As Ted Cruz tells it, the story of how he financed his upstart campaign for the United States Senate four years ago is an endearing example of loyalty and shared sacrifice between a married couple.
“Sweetheart, I’d like us to liquidate our entire net worth, liquid net worth, and put it into the campaign,” he says he told his wife, Heidi, who readily agreed. But the couple’s decision to pump more than $1 million into Mr. Cruz’s successful Tea Party-darling Senate bid in Texas was made easier by a large loan from Goldman Sachs, where Mrs. Cruz works. That loan was not disclosed in campaign finance reports. Those reports show that in the critical weeks before the May 2012 Republican primary, Mr. Cruz — currently a leading contender for his party’s presidential nomination — put “personal funds” totaling $960,000 into his Senate campaign. Two months later, shortly before a scheduled runoff election, he added more, bringing the total to $1.2 million — “which is all we had saved,” as Mr. Cruz described it in an interview with The New York Times several years ago. Do you know how you turn real estate into liquid assets without selling those assets? I'll wait right here... "Sweetheart, I’d like us to liquidate our entire net worth . . . " |
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