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Quoted: Haven't they been issuing P320s since 2015? Are they just switching to M17s because they want the manual safety?  The DPS Trooper I talked to about 18 months ago said they were testing the optic. If chosen, they'd be switching out to all new guns instead of updating their current Sigs for the optics. |
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Quoted: It will be a fine sidearm that remains in the holster as kids are being slaughtered in the classroom. |
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Quoted: Do their current 320's have a manual safety (is that even an option)? If not, safety manipulation is DEFINIETLY going to require extensive training to make it a subconscious action on the draw. I'd worry more about the non-gun people... Same comment for using an RDS.....train, train, train. Depends on what holster they use. If its a Safariland with an ALS release button, the manual safety is in line with the release button and disengages on the draw. You don't have to make any subconscious action on the draw, just draw and the safety is already actuated into the fire position and ready to shoot. Anyone know what holster Texas DPS use for their P320's? |
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Quoted: I searched and found nothing. https://www.sigsauer.com/blog/sig-m17-with-sig-romeo-m17-red-dot-optic-selected-as-the-official-sidearm-of-the-texas-department-of-public-safety Wonder how good of a deal they got on the pistols? I'm not near up to speed with the Sig issues. Does the M17 have the self-firing feature? 
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Quoted: Yes and maybe Quoted: Quoted: Haven't they been issuing P320s since 2015? Are they just switching to M17s because they want the manual safety? Yes and maybe Yes and No TXDPS M-17s do NOT have the manual safety. Troopers told me only issue with the 320 / M-17 was left handed troopers in Dodge Chargers (holster gets caught in the seat belt door side when troopers try to bail out quickly. Tahoe & Explorer TXDPS drivers are NOT having "issues" according to Troopers I have talked to about their SIG 320 / M-17 issue guns "issues". Admittedly small sample size of Five Troopers, but out on the road, not behind a desk firsthand from the folks running them on duty so ... Bigger_Hammer 
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Quoted: Old school DPS/Ranger load out. https://www.tsl.texas.gov/sites/default/files/public/tslac/exhibits/beyondthebadge/c4_DudleyWhite_1983112_R479_008THUMB.png Got it done with a 1911A1 and a Winchester 94! He's got a 1911 on display but rocking dual single action armies. Looks like a Reisling by the other long guns too. |
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Quoted: He's got a 1911 on display but rocking dual single action armies. Looks like a Reisling by the other long guns too. Quoted: Quoted: Old school DPS/Ranger load out. https://www.tsl.texas.gov/sites/default/files/public/tslac/exhibits/beyondthebadge/c4_DudleyWhite_1983112_R479_008THUMB.png Got it done with a 1911A1 and a Winchester 94! He's got a 1911 on display but rocking dual single action armies. Looks like a Reisling by the other long guns too. Good catch on the Reising, looks like a model 50. Yeah, he has a bit more at his disposal than just a 1911 and a 94. But it's groovy, nonetheless.?? |
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Quoted: Yes and No TXDPS M-17s do NOT have the manual safety. Troopers told me only issue with the 320 / M-17 was left handed troopers in Dodge Chargers (holster gets caught in the seat belt door side when troopers try to bail out quickly. Tahoe & Explorer TXDPS drivers are NOT having "issues" according to Troopers I have talked to about their SIG 320 / M-17 issue guns "issues". Admittedly small sample size of Five Troopers, but out on the road, not behind a desk firsthand from the folks running them on duty so ... Bigger_Hammer That might be self fixing in a few years. Apparently they haven't issued any chargers in a while as the director is sold on SUVs for safety reasons in case of vehicle crashes (DPS doesn't use the term accident  ). |
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Quoted: My guess is they’re getting the M17X version with the Romeo M17. I picked up an M18X and fucking love the gun, despite the 320 controversy these days. No manual safety and the optic is top notch. https://i.imgur.com/F1eXhbT.jpeg The 18x is a fantastic sidearm, enjoy! 
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Quoted: Texans have never been accused of being terribly bright. Attached File |
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Quoted: Considering they've carried sigs for over 20 years, something tells me they really like sig Quoted: Quoted: It's funny how every person/agency/unit that chooses to carry a SIG is a fanboy or shill. Considering they've carried sigs for over 20 years, something tells me they really like sig Good for them. It's ok for people to like what you don't like. |
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Quoted: The 18x is a fantastic sidearm, enjoy! Quoted: Quoted: My guess is they’re getting the M17X version with the Romeo M17. I picked up an M18X and fucking love the gun, despite the 320 controversy these days. No manual safety and the optic is top notch. https://i.imgur.com/F1eXhbT.jpeg The 18x is a fantastic sidearm, enjoy! I'm not quite sure I would call a gun that goes off on its own a "fantastic sidearm." |
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Quoted: They didn't have a mutiny, the M&Ps shit the bed in the initial academy roll out. I would be very interested to know more. Our rental M&P 1.0s were rock solid for us. They took a tremendous amount of abuse and non-stop 1K-3K rounds per week depending on which classes they were rented to. Only problem with them was rust. Lots of rust. |
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Quoted: I can see issues with some cops already, they never used a gun with a manual safety, and now oops, shit my gun won't go bang in the time of need. If you want a manual safety 1911 or 2011 Quoted: Quoted: Haven't they been issuing P320s since 2015? Are they just switching to M17s because they want the manual safety? I can see issues with some cops already, they never used a gun with a manual safety, and now oops, shit my gun won't go bang in the time of need. If you want a manual safety 1911 or 2011 And will go bang in time of no need? |
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Quoted: That has a habit of blowing up in peoples faces. Or shooting them in the legs. Two issues the 320 has a reputation of doing. Quoted: Quoted: Good for them. It's ok for people to like what you don't like. That has a habit of blowing up in peoples faces. Or shooting them in the legs. Two issues the 320 has a reputation of doing. Maybe the DPS isn't having the issues and they are happy with their guns? Lots of people love M&Ps, but it would be the last gun that I would carry for work. Different people have different experiences and preferences. Weird, I know. |
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Thumb safety helps slow down a bad guy who gets a hold of an officer's gun. Some studies done on it showed much higher officer survival when departments switched to thumb safety models back in the day. So that part makes sense along with the optic choice. What doesn't make sense is choosing a 320 for anything right now. 
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Quoted: I would be very interested to know more. Our rental M&P 1.0s were rock solid for us. They took a tremendous amount of abuse and non-stop 1K-3K rounds per week depending on which classes they were rented to. Only problem with them was rust. Lots of rust. Quoted: Quoted: They didn't have a mutiny, the M&Ps shit the bed in the initial academy roll out. I would be very interested to know more. Our rental M&P 1.0s were rock solid for us. They took a tremendous amount of abuse and non-stop 1K-3K rounds per week depending on which classes they were rented to. Only problem with them was rust. Lots of rust. |
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Quoted: Maybe the DPS isn't having the issues and they are happy with their guns? Lots of people love M&Ps, but it would be the last gun that I would carry for work. Different people have different experiences and preferences. Weird, I know. I didn't say that DPS is having issues, just that the 320's reputation preceeds itself. And the only one to blame is sig. But I'm sure this is all some vast anti gun conspiracy |
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Quoted: Maybe the DPS isn't having the issues and they are happy with their guns? Lots of people love M&Ps, but it would be the last gun that I would carry for work. Different people have different experiences and preferences. Weird, I know. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Good for them. It's ok for people to like what you don't like. That has a habit of blowing up in peoples faces. Or shooting them in the legs. Two issues the 320 has a reputation of doing. Maybe the DPS isn't having the issues and they are happy with their guns? Lots of people love M&Ps, but it would be the last gun that I would carry for work. Different people have different experiences and preferences. Weird, I know. The P226 is a great pistol, and was a great choice on their part. Choosing the P320 in 2015, based on the information that was available at the time, was a perfectly reasonable choice. Choosing another P320 variant in 2025, in light of the information currently available, is retarded. |
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I forgot to post this last night. These were posted on Reddit by a trooper. The Trooper I spoke with in my district said specialized units can make modifications, he had an FDE grip frame compact but he was a helo dude. He said regular troopers were typically not allowed to make any changes. This fella below contradicts that, but that might be a rule for each district. Anyway, thought it was interesting this guy switched to the compact Wilson Combat grip. Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Quoted: I forgot to post this last night. These were posted on Reddit by a trooper. The Trooper I spoke with in my district said specialized units can make modifications, he had an FDE grip frame compact but he was a helo dude. He said regular troopers were typically not allowed to make any changes. This fella below contradicts that, but that might be a rule for each district. Anyway, thought it was interesting this guy switched to the compact Wilson Combat grip. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/551633/1000031060_jpg-3522643.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/551633/1000031061_jpg-3522644.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/551633/1000031062_jpg-3522646.JPG Damn, that black m17 with optic is sexy  |
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Quoted: I forgot to post this last night. These were posted on Reddit by a trooper. The Trooper I spoke with in my district said specialized units can make modifications, he had an FDE grip frame compact but he was a helo dude. He said regular troopers were typically not allowed to make any changes. This fella below contradicts that, but that might be a rule for each district. Anyway, thought it was interesting this guy switched to the compact Wilson Combat grip. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/551633/1000031060_jpg-3522643.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/551633/1000031061_jpg-3522644.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/551633/1000031062_jpg-3522646.JPG @3ACR_Scout 
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Quoted: I forgot to post this last night. These were posted on Reddit by a trooper. The Trooper I spoke with in my district said specialized units can make modifications, he had an FDE grip frame compact but he was a helo dude. He said regular troopers were typically not allowed to make any changes. This fella below contradicts that, but that might be a rule for each district. Anyway, thought it was interesting this guy switched to the compact Wilson Combat grip. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/551633/1000031060_jpg-3522643.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/551633/1000031061_jpg-3522644.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/551633/1000031062_jpg-3522646.JPG That holster looks like it does a far better job covering the trigger than the typical Safariland one does. |
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Quoted: I notice that Texas DPS and Oklahoma highway patrol mirror each other on duty weapons. Both carried the Sig 226 in .357 Sig, then transitioned to the Sig p320 in 9mm. Yeah, about that.... Oklahoma Highway Patrol has long been a stalwart Sig franchise. The P220 was the first semi auto they ever issued, then the 226 in .357, then the Sig 320 in 9mm. Well, that run has ended. The Glock 47 MOS with Trijicon RDS and Surefire light is their new jam. The 320 is not only no longer issued, but once the Glock rollout is complete, the 320 will not be allowed to be carried at any time by Troopers. As for the Texas DPS M&P debacle, I sat in an M&P Armorer class with about two dozen TX Troopers right before rollout. They were quite adamant they had tested the hell out of them, and were sold on the platform. They were also very clear that the brass in Austin did not like the guns, and were trying to get the whole selection process canned. |
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Quoted: Except M17/18's are going bang with the safety on as well Quoted: Quoted: Which is worse? A gun that doesn't go bang when you want it to or one that goes bang when you don't want it to? A 320 with a manual safety is the ultimate get both. Except M17/18's are going bang with the safety on as well I had not heard that yet. Until Glock gets an external safety, they will be out of the running for a lot of contracts. It is not an unreasonable request, as they can't always train enough to prevent accidents and retention can't always be assumed when rolling with suspects. So it comes down to Sig and M&P and maybe an FN somewhere for those contracts. Of course it can come down to pricing and support. Or kickbacks or perks, they are politicians after all. |
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Quoted: I had not heard that yet. Until Glock gets an external safety, they will be out of the running for a lot of contracts. It is not an unreasonable request, as they can't always train enough to prevent accidents and retention can't always be assumed when rolling with suspects. So it comes down to Sig and M&P and maybe an FN somewhere for those contracts. Of course it can come down to pricing and support. Or kickbacks or perks, they are politicians after all. Glocks MHS 19x submission had an external safety. |
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Quoted: ... As for the Texas DPS M&P debacle, I sat in an M&P Armorer class with about two dozen TX Troopers right before rollout. They were quite adamant they had tested the hell out of them, and were sold on the platform. They were also very clear that the brass in Austin did not like the guns, and were trying to get the whole selection process canned. Quoted: Quoted: I notice that Texas DPS and Oklahoma highway patrol mirror each other on duty weapons. Both carried the Sig 226 in .357 Sig, then transitioned to the Sig p320 in 9mm. ... As for the Texas DPS M&P debacle, I sat in an M&P Armorer class with about two dozen TX Troopers right before rollout. They were quite adamant they had tested the hell out of them, and were sold on the platform. They were also very clear that the brass in Austin did not like the guns, and were trying to get the whole selection process canned. TXDPS has been a "SIG Only" shop for decades (220's in .45 ACP & 226 in 9mm, then 226 in .357 SIG. Austin PD & others have had very good results in their M&PS. But the word is that Orders came from "On High" to "go SIG" or elsewhere". Bigger_Hammer
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Quoted: Yeah, about that.... Oklahoma Highway Patrol has long been a stalwart Sig franchise. The P220 was the first semi auto they ever issued, then the 226 in .357, then the Sig 320 in 9mm. Well, that run has ended. The Glock 47 MOS with Trijicon RDS and Surefire light is their new jam. The 320 is not only no longer issued, but once the Glock rollout is complete, the 320 will not be allowed to be carried at any time by Troopers. As for the Texas DPS M&P debacle, I sat in an M&P Armorer class with about two dozen TX Troopers right before rollout. They were quite adamant they had tested the hell out of them, and were sold on the platform. They were also very clear that the brass in Austin did not like the guns, and were trying to get the whole selection process canned. I knew this was happening, but didnt know it already was happening. |