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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:30:22 PM EDT
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Winter springs up suddenly in a matter of hours?? Damn, that must suck for those poor people not being able to prep for winter.  |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:31:06 PM EDT
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If a person live in a gulf coast state near the gulf and is not prepared 24/7 365, they are fucking dumbshits.
Its not like this doesnt happen EVERY year. Why prep for a storm, then ise up the prep during the remainder of the year, why not let your prep sit and be a what? A FUCKING PREP! Imlaugh every time this happens. All the idiots running around trying to buy water, lol ya know the clear wet fluid that comes from your kitchen sink? Or food. Morons. Capitalism? Price gouging? Fuck all that noise! I sell ice 6$ a bag during every major storm. Have two,commercial ice makers and a propane genny piped into my 500gallon propane tank. It runs my water well, the ice makers and what ever else i want. Tree down in your yard? Hey mr, i have a chainsaw and a trailer. I will cut that tree up and haul it away for 400$. Then i split the wood and make another cpl grand on the weekends during winter. I LOVE HURRICANES! I make mad cash! My grills are ready, got 6'slabs of ribs, a brisket, more bacon than should be legal for one human to consume, a cpl frozen chickens, tons of pig sausage. And a garage fridge full of beer. Bring it on! |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:31:20 PM EDT
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Nobody thinks about the supply chain.
The dick move is on the part of the greedy consumer who thinks that the store owner is obligated to sell his goods at a certain price, regardless of the store owner's ability to replenish stock. If the store owner does not raise prices to compensate for increased demand and reduced supply, the store owner could easily be put out of business when he's unable to replenish stock, and therefore sell goods later on at a rate that allows a profit to pay his overhead and his own bills. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:31:28 PM EDT
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Floss insurance helps pay for the eventual repair to one's property; it doesn't keep you alive after you're flooded out or your home has been flattened by a tornado. Try to eat or drink flood insurance genius, after a natural disaster has wiped out your home and destroyed and ruined all your preps.  |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:32:07 PM EDT
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It has nothing to do with "taking advantage." If there is a huge demand for a good with a limit d supply, then one has to make a risk vs benefit situation with the pricing. During a recent hurricane down here, guys from Ohio bought generators and shipped them down where there were no generators but were fined for "gouging," Guess who didn't bother to transport generators across country next time an people had to do without at any price? Anti gouging laws actually are proven to restrict goods and services to those who needed it most Furthermore, it helps tamper panic buying. The high cost of goods tends to dissuade dumb people from clearing out a given product. In addition, it can provide help, like NavyDoc mentioned. Flooding? Earthquake? Unrest? No thanks, why risk your assets driving into a known disaster area? Oh wait, instead of $2/gal I can make $4/gal? Yeah, I'll take that shipment. I'll take the risk. Capitalism is beautiful. Truly beautiful. Then guess what? When all the people rushing to make money flood the market with product, guess what happens? The price goes down. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:32:08 PM EDT
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Nothing brings out people on arfcom who like sucking government cock like a good ole price gouging thread, as if the rules of economics are magically suspended when government issues a decree that prices can't change to reflect scarcity. Enjoy your 6 month of shortages, Texas. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:34:26 PM EDT
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Six months of shortages? What are we short of again? |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:35:49 PM EDT
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Did hurricane season suddenly spring up? |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:36:09 PM EDT
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Oh look. A shit talk TX thread. OP is intelligent and has valuable insight to offer. http://24.media.tumblr.com/6526712115cd91e48faf1eb36244e2ab/tumblr_mh6eldu06c1qfvtcmo1_400.gif 
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:38:12 PM EDT
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If a person live in a gulf coast state near the gulf and is not prepared 24/7 365, they are fucking dumbshits. Its not like this doesnt happen EVERY year. Why prep for a storm, then ise up the prep during the remainder of the year, why not let your prep sit and be a what? A FUCKING PREP! Imlaugh every time this happens. All the idiots running around trying to buy water, lol ya know the clear wet fluid that comes from your kitchen sink? Or food. Morons. Capitalism? Price gouging? Fuck all that noise! I sell ice 6$ a bag during every major storm. Have two,commercial ice makers and a propane genny piped into my 500gallon propane tank. It runs my water well, the ice makers and what ever else i want. Tree down in your yard? Hey mr, i have a chainsaw and a trailer. I will cut that tree up and haul it away for 400$. Then i split the wood and make another cpl grand on the weekends during winter. I LOVE HURRICANES! I make mad cash! My grills are ready, got 6'slabs of ribs, a brisket, more bacon than should be legal for one human to consume, a cpl frozen chickens, tons of pig sausage. And a garage fridge full of beer. Bring it on! Texas hasn't had a hurricane in 10 years. You seem weirdly turned on by this. If people losing their homes and possibly their lives gets you off then enjoy yourself. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:38:33 PM EDT
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Here is what I wan't to know why are people waiting until NOW to prep. These storms have been projected for over 2 weeks hell there is a 10 day old thread on it here from that weather dude. This was supposed to be a tropical storm. It went from that to most likely being a category 3 today. No one saw this coming. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:38:49 PM EDT
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If a person live in a gulf coast state near the gulf and is not prepared 24/7 365, they are fucking dumbshits. Its not like this doesnt happen EVERY year. Why prep for a storm, then ise up the prep during the remainder of the year, why not let your prep sit and be a what? A FUCKING PREP! Imlaugh every time this happens. All the idiots running around trying to buy water, lol ya know the clear wet fluid that comes from your kitchen sink? Or food. Morons. Capitalism? Price gouging? Fuck all that noise! I sell ice 6$ a bag during every major storm. Have two,commercial ice makers and a propane genny piped into my 500gallon propane tank. It runs my water well, the ice makers and what ever else i want. Tree down in your yard? Hey mr, i have a chainsaw and a trailer. I will cut that tree up and haul it away for 400$. Then i split the wood and make another cpl grand on the weekends during winter. I LOVE HURRICANES! I make mad cash! My grills are ready, got 6'slabs of ribs, a brisket, more bacon than should be legal for one human to consume, a cpl frozen chickens, tons of pig sausage. And a garage fridge full of beer. Bring it on! |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:40:00 PM EDT
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For the capitalists in this thread, do you ever get tired of explaining supply, demand, and enterprise to socialists?
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:43:06 PM EDT
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OP, something tells me you are not very lucky with the ladies and you are a lonely, lonely man.
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:43:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryFound the OPs problem. He's apparently from Alaska.
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:43:33 PM EDT
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For the capitalists in this thread, do you ever get tired of explaining supply, demand, and enterprise to socialists? |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:43:52 PM EDT
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For the capitalists in this thread, do you ever get tired of explaining supply, demand, and enterprise to socialists? |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:46:05 PM EDT
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For the capitalists in this thread, do you ever get tired of explaining supply, demand, and enterprise to socialists? It is the basis of America. Rockefeller, Carnegie, etc drove down prices. Constantly. People need to hear how sweet capitalism is. Constantly. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:46:30 PM EDT
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Texas does have some unfortunate laws. You've found one of em.
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:47:02 PM EDT
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Once a state of emergency is declared don't price controls go into effect automatically? |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:47:39 PM EDT
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Did hurricane season suddenly spring up? |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:49:19 PM EDT
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$10 says OP bitches to his wife frequently on the prices of every day commodities in his home state, while the muffling free capitalism under another breath.
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:49:48 PM EDT
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For the capitalists in this thread, do you ever get tired of explaining supply, demand, and enterprise to socialists? John Maynard Keynes would be proud of the Texas. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:54:54 PM EDT
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$10 says OP bitches to his wife frequently on the prices of every day commodities in his home state, while the muffling free capitalism under another breath. NO ONE is entitled to cheap gas, NO ONE is entitled to cheap generators, NO ONE is entitled to cheap anything. The fact is the government is FORCING businesses to set prices, based on feelings and not the current economic conditions and will jail them if they don't comply. How many of you fucks scream about Obamacare. It is LITERALLY the same thing. Not letting the economy dictate pricing and competition but forcing someone to pay a price in the name of "fairness" based on nothing but feelings. The hypocrisy is absurd , but since its MUH TEXAS, the laws of economics, capitalism and the things this country were founded on can fuck right off. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:56:02 PM EDT
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Texans are the most butt hurt people in the entire world. You and other out of staters obsessed with Texas are pathetic. You once said you were done starting Texas threads in another of your "I'm totally not obsessed with Texas" tardfests. Link to thread from two years ago where OP promised to stop his lame shit talking. I get your dislike for this state, OP. Texans aren't real fond of men who can't keep their word. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:56:18 PM EDT
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Yes, selling gasoline for seven dollars a gallon while people are trying to evacuate is capitalism. It's also one of those things that results in a breakdown of societal order very quickly and has people floating around in the gulf with a gunshot wound to the back of the head. Price controls create shortages. This is a fact. If you're going to implement them under some nebulous concern about "fairness" or similar stupid bullshit, then you are on the hook for dealing with the results. The most direct way for the powers that be to do that is to spend taxpayer dollars to subsidize gas deliveries that would have otherwise occurred if there were direct incentive to do so via gas prices. That's a roundabout and less efficient way to do it compared to simply having the consumers pay the premium directly. I don't give a flying fuck about anyone's feelings, what I care about is results. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:56:19 PM EDT
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I thought floss insurance was for when you didn't get food particles dislodged from in between your teeth? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Floss insurance helps pay for the eventual repair to one's property; it doesn't keep you alive after you're flooded out or your home has been flattened by a tornado. Try to eat or drink flood insurance genius, after a natural disaster has wiped out your home and destroyed and ruined all your preps. 
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:56:54 PM EDT
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The world needs more Darwin.
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:58:45 PM EDT
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$20 says the same laws are on the books in OP's state... eta- this storm hasn't been around for "weeks"... it was predicted to die over the Yucatán 3 days ago... If you live really close to the gulf, you need to have a plan to leave if a storm comes your way. If you live close to the gulf, you need a plan to leave or shelter in place and fend for yourself for couple of weeks. If you live and hour or two away, you should have a plan to shelter in place and fend for yourself for couple of week, or if you really want to you could leave. The same thing applies to the Atlantic coast all the way to at least NYC. The closest I have lived to the ocean was Ft Hood and even I know this. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:59:02 PM EDT
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Texans are the most butt hurt people in the entire world. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:59:42 PM EDT
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Lol You and other out of staters obsessed with Texas are pathetic. You once said you were done starting Texas threads in another of your "I'm totally not obsessed with Texas" tardfests. Link to thread from two years ago where OP promised to stop his lame shit talking. I get your dislike for this state, OP. Texans aren't real fond of men who can't keep their word. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Texans are the most butt hurt people in the entire world. You and other out of staters obsessed with Texas are pathetic. You once said you were done starting Texas threads in another of your "I'm totally not obsessed with Texas" tardfests. Link to thread from two years ago where OP promised to stop his lame shit talking. I get your dislike for this state, OP. Texans aren't real fond of men who can't keep their word. I can't help it your state gets more tarded' over time. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 10:01:23 PM EDT
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You are an evil exploiter. Never mind that you wouldn't even bother to offer those services if the state mandated it to a point that it wasn't worth your while and nobody would get anything |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 10:01:35 PM EDT
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Still stalking me after so long eh? I wouldn't notice you at all if you didn't start Texas threads. I'm interested in threads about where I'm living, not sure what your damage is that causes your sad little texas obsession. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 10:01:52 PM EDT
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lol. OP is one of those people that think we enjoy a free market or some shit.
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Posted: 8/24/2017 10:03:16 PM EDT
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You are an evil exploiter. Never mind that you wouldn't even bother to offer those services if the state mandated it to a point that it wasn't worth your while and nobody would get anything I have something. You want it. It's my property, and if you aren't willing to pay what I want for it, too bad. You've had literally months / years to prepare for this eventuality, but you didn't, and now that you are ill prepared, you want the government to arrest me for not agreeing to a deal I don't want to make? |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 10:06:57 PM EDT
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Selling it for 2 bucks a gallon results in stations running out of gas sooner, people using it for stupid shit and wasting it, and more people trying to put sensible things off until the last minute. Price controls create shortages. This is a fact. If you're going to implement them under some nebulous concern about "fairness" or similar stupid bullshit, then you are on the hook for dealing with the results. The most direct way for the powers that be to do that is to spend taxpayer dollars to subsidize gas deliveries that would have otherwise occurred if there were direct incentive to do so via gas prices. That's a roundabout and less efficient way to do it compared to simply having the consumers pay the premium directly. I don't give a flying fuck about anyone's feelings, what I care about is results. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 10:13:12 PM EDT
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Not exploitation. I have something. You want it. It's my property, and if you aren't willing to pay what I want for it, too bad. You've had literally months / years to prepare for this eventuality, but you didn't, and now that you are ill prepared, you want the government to arrest me for not agreeing to a deal I don't want to make? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You are an evil exploiter. Never mind that you wouldn't even bother to offer those services if the state mandated it to a point that it wasn't worth your while and nobody would get anything I have something. You want it. It's my property, and if you aren't willing to pay what I want for it, too bad. You've had literally months / years to prepare for this eventuality, but you didn't, and now that you are ill prepared, you want the government to arrest me for not agreeing to a deal I don't want to make? 
He's with you. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 10:17:25 PM EDT
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Your meter needs calibration.
He's with you.
@navydoc1 I was agreeing with you 
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Posted: 8/24/2017 10:17:47 PM EDT
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Many of you have no clue as to what the terms "free market" and "capitalism" truly mean. Unfettered capitalism is neither ideal nor really THE ideal for a society. Capitalism is a complex notion, and one of its pillars is the belief that a populace should decide what role government regulations MOST BENEFIT their market. This is one time that the overwhelming majority of people support a government intervention. Thus, it is a legitimate aspect of Capitalism. Read the works of Milton Friedman.
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Posted: 8/24/2017 10:18:33 PM EDT
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One man sees human suffering and destruction while another sees a bunch of suckers.
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Posted: 8/24/2017 10:19:02 PM EDT
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Yeah, I don't like the whole "gouging" label of providing a product at a price relative to the situation.
Should it be legal? Yes. Could I sell a product at 200% to those who are in need and sleep at night? Nope. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 10:19:11 PM EDT
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Everybody keeps talking about how no one will offer the services of the prices are mandated. Past performance proves you guys wrong. After IKe there were places paying to run on generators and gladly selling product at Prestorm prices. Hell the Kroger near where I lived was shipping in ice and selling it at cost. Maybe in the shitty fucking hell holes y'all live in people have no character and therefore actually won't sell to their common man unless they can get premium prices but around here, even in the fourth largest big city in the fucking country, we have amazing people who not only risk life and limb to ride out storms but spent money on generators to get back open and still somehow found it in themselves not to fuck over their common man. You know what fucks over the "common man"? When another "common man" goes and buys all of X for his family and X is no longer available because of bullshit price controls. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 10:19:14 PM EDT
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Found the OPs problem. He's apparently from Alaska. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 8/24/2017 10:20:02 PM EDT
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LOL, make you're own gas and quit buying ours motherfucker. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 10:21:01 PM EDT
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This has nothing to do with the "gouging" aspect or neighbors suffering. I think you missed my point. I think it is a dick move, BUT I don't think the government should be involved and it be an illegal arrestable offense. I would do like others have suggested and take note of the "gougers" and vote with my dollar and suggest everyone I know to do the same and never give them a dime again. Someone mentioned cheaper than dirt. I haven't bought anything from them sense the panic for it, but it was their right to do what they did and I have acted accordingly. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 10:21:30 PM EDT
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So much troll is this thread I know better than to even try to present a reasonable argument.
First off, price gouging doesn't mean that price can't be raised. "“So the actual language of the statute says that it is illegal price gouging when there are “items of necessity”, fuel, food, medicine, when those items are sold at an exorbitant or excessive price," Paul Singer of the AG’s consumer protection division explains." Now a price freeze is different, but for now, one could still charge as long as that pricing wasn't exorbitant or excessive. Also, I don't think people all realize how fragile the economy is with the on demand economy. Water was off the shelves in Houston last night. Gasoline can't be stored forever. Maybe some people were out in the oil fields or rigs, maybe some families have bread winners serving over seas. Maybe some were just released from the hospital and hadn't had chance to stock up yet? People in this thread looking through rose colored glasses talking about "muh prepping." Not everyone is as lucky and blessed as you all are. True price gouging needs to be addressed, and like it or not, 34 states and DC have those laws against it on the books, including Indiana. I'm in the Emergency Response field. We have fixed rates with the government. No one that I know of can store up enough diesel and gasoline to manage a prolonged response without fresh gas and diesel moving in quickly. Do you even know what the burn rate is on 500 hp worth of yamahas on the back of one boat, then times 20? Even if we could pass on $7/gal gas with a markup, how many people would say were were ripping off the government. Guess we should just let an incident go unmitigated because we didn't prepare. Also, the ability to store that much gasoline creates another set of headache's that make it not an effective strategy to consider. And while usually declaring that Texas would be a great place if it wasn't for all the Texans, as someone on the Gulf Coast; I'll side with them all day long on this issue. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 10:22:19 PM EDT
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To paraphrase Ron Swanson...
"Price gouging" threads - God's way of telling who understands economics, and who hates freedom. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 10:22:31 PM EDT
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Here is what I wan't to know why are people waiting until NOW to prep. These storms have been projected for over 2 weeks hell there is a 10 day old thread on it here from that weather dude. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 10:23:04 PM EDT
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One man sees human suffering and destruction while another sees a bunch of suckers. I'm not going to let someone die because they need the water I have plenty of and can't pay me $50/gallon for it. The vast majority of American's wouldn't either. But if the local shop wants extra money for their *insert needed item here* because they will see several weeks of missed cash flow post-storm, they shouldn't go to jail for it. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 10:23:10 PM EDT
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I honestly believe you have to be born here to understand.You can move here from wtf ever, and still not be a Texan. 
So much jealousy just proves my point. Proud 5th generation Texan. So, resume your bullshit,it don't mean nothin.........  |
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