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Posted: 8/24/2017 11:25:34 PM EDT
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A decade ago, I happily paid 5.50 $/gal after a hurricane had disrupted supplies. I was driving ten hours to get to my grandmother's funeral, and was glad this gas station was open, when others weren't. Other stations had done the calculus and decided to close for the day[s]. This one stayed open, and for that I was grateful. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 11:34:47 PM EDT
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OP, do you charge more for BJ's during a hurricane? |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 11:38:01 PM EDT
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Some of you fuckers are way out of line.
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Posted: 8/24/2017 11:38:04 PM EDT
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Who determines what is fair and reasonable?
Also - generators are hardly a "necessity". At this point pure luxury item. For the dude saying price controls are important so that state / county resources such as emergency response can afford to buy fuel - what the fuck?! Are you serious? Your agency should be contracting fuel deliveries at set prices, well in advance and outside of special events. ANY agency or org that depends on fuel as a necessity should be. |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 12:20:31 AM EDT
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How much could they have gouged? The many of the gas stations there at the time had a permanently affixed "$1." in front of their price sign - Gloria aside, when gas prices fell bellow 1 $/gal, the stations had to duct tape over the "1". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I hate gouging scumbags. I make a mental note of the ones that do it and refuse to shop there ever again. There are places I still won't buy at since Gloria back in 1985. |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 12:25:48 AM EDT
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He's probably still bitter after shopping CTD. http://i.imgur.com/ZhAS7TA.jpg |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 12:28:22 AM EDT
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While I think it is a dick move to " gouge" when people are in need, it is capitalism and these storms have been predicted for WEEKS. If you're not prepped at this point its your own damn fault. You could have Amazon primed yourself a generator on Monday and had it by now. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/351853/Capture-289289.JPG Don't be an Ass..... |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 12:31:35 AM EDT
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We will be fine because we are Texans and we'll help each other when needed and I'm sure our neighbors in Louisiana and elsewhere will too. I just don't need the state to coerce me to. Obviously we both know that it this law exists because money often wins out against morality. Pure unregulated captitalism is not a moral code nor is money god. Maybe someday Republicans will learn this and stop throwing away their chance to do good for this nation. |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 12:31:44 AM EDT
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While I think it is a dick move to " gouge" when people are in need, it is capitalism and these storms have been predicted for WEEKS. If you're not prepped at this point its your own damn fault. You could have Amazon primed yourself a generator on Monday and had it by now. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/351853/Capture-289289.JPG Don't be an Ass..... |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 12:41:55 AM EDT
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He hails from the WELFARE capital of the U.S. I am guessing he can't help it. Example...Tuesday no big deal in Houston. On Wednesday some concern (I bought water eggs milk fruit etc.) Thursday it was full on panic at stores as all water was gone..............> Both vehicles are filled up and I stocked up on some beer tonight. 
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Posted: 8/25/2017 12:56:53 AM EDT
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Yes, selling gasoline for seven dollars a gallon while people are trying to evacuate is capitalism. It's also one of those things that results in a breakdown of societal order very quickly and has people floating around in the gulf with a gunshot wound to the back of the head. 
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Posted: 8/25/2017 1:59:39 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/25/2017 2:34:52 AM EDT
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<Removed -40xb>
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Posted: 8/25/2017 2:45:16 AM EDT
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I love these threads. All of the people who think they are entitled to name their price for whatever they want to buy come out in droves.
"Gouging" is just another term for raising prices to match demand and regulate inventory. If you're selling out of an item in a matter of hours, it's priced too low. |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 2:48:27 AM EDT
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Hoy fuck, Texas sucks
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Posted: 8/25/2017 2:56:50 AM EDT
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I love these threads. All of the people who think they are entitled to name their price for whatever they want to buy come out in droves. "Gouging" is just another term for raising prices to match demand and regulate inventory. If you're selling out of an item in a matter of hours, it's priced too low. Society uses laws like the one in effect to deal with those who can't be trusted to do what is right for society. Ultimately societies are set up to work for the good of the society and when a person shows that they aren't able to do such they run afoul of laws designed to curb that anti-social behavior and punishments like prison and even execution are used to deal with them. Arfcom has plenty of the 'libertarian' type who lack the ability to work together socially. These types of people are parasites who abuse the cohesion of broader society while taking advantage of society at every turn. |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 7:14:09 AM EDT
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Texas is not anywhere close to as badass as people make it out to be. |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 7:25:44 AM EDT
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Texans are the most butt hurt people in the entire world. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sooooo . . . . which state in the union are you from . . . that you afraid to provide a link to . . . DICK ? ? ?  |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 7:40:32 AM EDT
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Again, just because it is profitable doesn't mean it is moral. Society uses laws like the one in effect to deal with those who can't be trusted to do what is right for society. Ultimately societies are set up to work for the good of the society and when a person shows that they aren't able to do such they run afoul of laws designed to curb that anti-social behavior and punishments like prison and even execution are used to deal with them. Arfcom has plenty of the 'libertarian' type who lack the ability to work together socially. These types of people are parasites who abuse the cohesion of broader society while taking advantage of society at every turn. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I love these threads. All of the people who think they are entitled to name their price for whatever they want to buy come out in droves. "Gouging" is just another term for raising prices to match demand and regulate inventory. If you're selling out of an item in a matter of hours, it's priced too low. Society uses laws like the one in effect to deal with those who can't be trusted to do what is right for society. Ultimately societies are set up to work for the good of the society and when a person shows that they aren't able to do such they run afoul of laws designed to curb that anti-social behavior and punishments like prison and even execution are used to deal with them. Arfcom has plenty of the 'libertarian' type who lack the ability to work together socially. These types of people are parasites who abuse the cohesion of broader society while taking advantage of society at every turn. That's called charity, and nothing about 'price gouging' has anything to do with charity. However, I think that you weren't talking about charity, but economics... even though you seem to be harping on 'good of the society'. Raising prices due to limited supply and/or increased demand ensures that those supplies that are scarce are available to those who still need them. There are numerous examples in this very thread of that: posters who did not have a choice between the 'normal' price for a good, and the 500% price for that same good (a false dichotomy), but instead had a choice of a good available at 500% or not at all. Humans work on profit. The reason the good or service is available is because profit. Would you go into business and not try to make a profit? Of course not, and that trickles up and down the supply/production chain from the origin of the raw resource to the actual consumer. Desire for profit, and the adjustment of prices to reflect supply/demand, keeps goods available. In the end, isn't that what you want in your society? Members of society risking their time, effort, capital, in order to make those goods available to your society? How will you motivate them to do so without commensurate return? https://youtu.be/R5Gppi-O3a8 |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 7:52:04 AM EDT
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How is that WELFARE issue going in Alaska? Just wondering? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He's probably still bitter after shopping CTD. http://i.imgur.com/ZhAS7TA.jpg Lots of butthurt coming out of Texas overnight. |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 7:54:28 AM EDT
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OP, do you charge more for BJ's during a hurricane? 
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Posted: 8/25/2017 7:57:54 AM EDT
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Yes. That's why I hardly ever post or come here anymore . Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For the capitalists in this thread, do you ever get tired of explaining supply, demand, and enterprise to socialists?
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Posted: 8/25/2017 7:59:50 AM EDT
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Says the guy from Alaska, living in Indiana, who started a thread to bitch about Texas. Why the fuck do you care? 
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Posted: 8/25/2017 8:00:56 AM EDT
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Again, just because it is profitable doesn't mean it is moral. Society uses laws like the one in effect to deal with those who can't be trusted to do what is right for society. Ultimately societies are set up to work for the good of the society and when a person shows that they aren't able to do such they run afoul of laws designed to curb that anti-social behavior and punishments like prison and even execution are used to deal with them. Arfcom has plenty of the 'libertarian' type who lack the ability to work together socially. These types of people are parasites who abuse the cohesion of broader society while taking advantage of society at every turn. |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 8:08:13 AM EDT
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Yes and "muh capitalism" explains why the Constitution doesn't give the government any power whatsoever to regulate trade and the Texas State Legislature was completely overstepping its lawful authority by passing measures to avoid price gouging during emergencies |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 8:12:53 AM EDT
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It is immoral to NOT gouge if prohibiting gouging mean that the consumers with the most critical needs are left empty handed Personally, if I am in dire need of something, price is of little concern. No sense in making a law that says shit I might need in a disaster is not available because people aren't willing to risk their time/property/life to provide it to me at mere retail. |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 8:20:52 AM EDT
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Everybody keeps talking about how no one will offer the services of the prices are mandated. Past performance proves you guys wrong. After IKe there were places paying to run on generators and gladly selling product at Prestorm prices. Hell the Kroger near where I lived was shipping in ice and selling it at cost. Maybe in the shitty fucking hell holes y'all live in people have no character and therefore actually won't sell to their common man unless they can get premium prices but around here, even in the fourth largest big city in the fucking country, we have amazing people who not only risk life and limb to ride out storms but spent money on generators to get back open and still somehow found it in themselves not to fuck over their common man. |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 8:21:37 AM EDT
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Not exploitation. I have something. You want it. It's my property, and if you aren't willing to pay what I want for it, too bad. You've had literally months / years to prepare for this eventuality, but you didn't, and now that you are ill prepared, you want the government to arrest me for not agreeing to a deal I don't want to make? |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 8:22:27 AM EDT
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Don't know , don't care. I'm not on welfare and we don't have any sort of taxes so I'm not paying for it, thus I give zero fuck's about the welfare situation. If I were paying for it I may care a little more but I'm not. Lots of butthurt coming out of Texas overnight. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He's probably still bitter after shopping CTD. http://i.imgur.com/ZhAS7TA.jpg Lots of butthurt coming out of Texas overnight. Yet the state you are from is the most commie state when it comes to money issues. Good luck with that. |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 8:22:55 AM EDT
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For the capitalists in this thread, do you ever get tired of explaining supply, demand, and enterprise to socialists? I guess if they could understand the concepts .... ...they wouldn't be socialists? |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 8:24:48 AM EDT
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Sometimes. What baffles me is it isn't even complex economic concepts. Basic things like supply and demand, opportunity cost, value add etc. John Maynard Keynes would be proud of the Texas. |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 8:30:44 AM EDT
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So if I have the forethought to buy a box truck of cheap generators, cords and outlet boxes, and try to sell for $1000 bucks each I am a felon?
Having been in ground zero for Andrew, countless tornado recoveries, price control laws are a double edged sword. Yeah everyone needs or wants certain items. But in a narrow profit margin, do I sell at narrow profit margin with zero chance of resupply or sell for what people will pay? I would have gladly paid $5 for a bag of ice at times. But if I could not afford it, should I be able to say that is 5 times the amount sell it for $1 or go to jail? 25 years ago I was in a drunken stupor asking "who is this Andrew guy everyone is talking about". I learned preparation the hard way. So I see each side of the coin many times. Where is the middle.ground? |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 8:33:28 AM EDT
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Yes, selling gasoline for seven dollars a gallon while people are trying to evacuate is capitalism. It's also one of those things that results in a breakdown of societal order very quickly and has people floating around in the gulf with a gunshot wound to the back of the head. |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 8:34:51 AM EDT
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No these people had no obligation to open, no obligation to go out of their way to get shipments of product, and zero obligation to sell said products below the good by rate but they did. The statement has been made that people aren't going to sell products at the set prices to which I replied with my experience to the contrary. Past experience here and in Louisiana showed me that people of those two states, for the most part, step up when people are in need regardless of the profit. When I weathered hurricanes in Florida that seemed to not be the case. Such is not the case for someone bringing a trailer full of generators or plywood in form out of state, and they should be allowed to charge as much as they feel like. Don't like? Don't buy. Any laws contra-wise, however constitutional they may be, are stupid. |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 8:38:17 AM EDT
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That's funny, I have a place in both states. Alaska is definitely bigger, and definitely infused with more liberals and social parasites expressed as a percentage of the population. AK is about 92% owned by non-Alaskan entities. The amount privately held is just a piece of 90+% privately-owned TX. |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 8:38:58 AM EDT
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I do. I guess if they could understand the concepts .... ...they wouldn't be socialists? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For the capitalists in this thread, do you ever get tired of explaining supply, demand, and enterprise to socialists? I guess if they could understand the concepts .... ...they wouldn't be socialists? 
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Posted: 8/25/2017 8:39:26 AM EDT
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So many fair-weather capitalists on this site. Literally.
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Posted: 8/25/2017 8:39:31 AM EDT
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I'm as Texan as it gets and the law is fucking stupid, unAmerican, and unTexan. |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 8:41:03 AM EDT
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Texas is not anywhere close to as badass as people make it out to be. |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 8:41:09 AM EDT
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Uhh, no I am an Alaska resident. With Alaska drivers license and a house in Alaska. I am here on a 5 year development project that is wrapping up in the next few months. I was kind of shocked when I read that; I was afraid you'd had to jump out of your AK home. |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 8:42:08 AM EDT
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So many fair-weather capitalists on this site. Literally. Virginia price gouging protection |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 8:45:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI don't give a shit about TX vs VA. I care about the number of socialist-at-heart people coming out of the closet in threads like this.
And just like leftists, they think they have the moral high ground. |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 8:47:16 AM EDT
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I do. I guess if they could understand the concepts .... ...they wouldn't be socialists? |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 8:47:25 AM EDT
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$20 says the same laws are on the books in OP's state... eta- this storm hasn't been around for "weeks"... it was predicted to die over the Yucatán 3 days ago... |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 8:47:32 AM EDT
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People voluntarily giving of themselves is indeed noble but it's not the same as demanding that government force them to. Swing and a miss. Basic economics has demonstrated time and time again that price controls create shortages of goods and services. Left alone, the free market will fill the gap--every time. It's not that certain people don't understand, it's that they can't. They want so much to believe that the world works in ways that it doesn't, that they become incapable of seeing or understanding their folly. It's no different than the ardent Leftist who insists that the failure of Communism lies in the fact that it hasn't been done right. If they were running things, they could make it work. You can't reason a man out of a position that he wasn't reasoned into in the first place. |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 8:47:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryIHas he defended the Virginia law? No. Its a dumb law no matter what.
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Posted: 8/25/2017 8:50:41 AM EDT
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Bullshit laws are fucking stupid. They only prevent necessary supplies from getting to needed areas.
If I live in Ohio and have a load of generators in my store that are not selling because business is slow......I can not hire a a truck and a guy to drive them down TX because I could be charged with gouging if my selling price is too high. So......the generators get dusty on the shelf in Ohio. Ridiculous. Who does this help except the politicians who stroke themselves when they proclaim how they help the FOLKS. I own a store in Corpus Christi. If I raise my prices because a monster storm is coming........I could go to jail. Even though, after the storm , my store may be closed for weeks........maybe months if it is severely damaged. |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 8:54:20 AM EDT
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You're wasting your time. It's not that certain people don't understand, it's that they can't. They want so much to believe that the world works in ways that it doesn't, that they become incapable of seeing or understanding their folly. It's no different than the ardent Leftist who insists that the failure of Communism lies in the fact that it hasn't been done right. If they were running things, they could make it work. You can't reason a man out of a position that he wasn't reasoned into in the first place. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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People voluntarily giving of themselves is indeed noble but it's not the same as demanding that government force them to. Swing and a miss. Basic economics has demonstrated time and time again that price controls create shortages of goods and services. Left alone, the free market will fill the gap--every time. It's not that certain people don't understand, it's that they can't. They want so much to believe that the world works in ways that it doesn't, that they become incapable of seeing or understanding their folly. It's no different than the ardent Leftist who insists that the failure of Communism lies in the fact that it hasn't been done right. If they were running things, they could make it work. You can't reason a man out of a position that he wasn't reasoned into in the first place. |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 8:55:52 AM EDT
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I hate gouging scumbags. I make a mental note of the ones that do it and refuse to shop there ever again. There are places I still won't buy at since Gloria back in 1985. Seriously? Have you even thought this through ? |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 8:56:05 AM EDT
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I don't give a shit about TX vs VA. I care about the number of socialist-at-heart people coming out of the closet in threads like this. And just like leftists, they think they have the moral high ground. Then turn around a week later preaching about being conservative and hating commies lol. |
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