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Both the -21 and -23 had some nasty handling characteristics. I flew with a guy who knew a lot about flying Soviet aircraft. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Both the -21 and -23 had some nasty handling characteristics. I flew with a guy who knew a lot about flying Soviet aircraft. Wiki has a real gem (if true): Like many aircraft designed as interceptors, the MiG-21 had a short range. This was not helped by a design defect where the center of gravity shifted rearwards once two-thirds of the fuel had been used.[citation needed] This had the effect of making the plane uncontrollable, resulting in an endurance of only 45 minutes in clean condition. Additionally when more than half the fuel was used up, violent maneuveurs prevented fuel from flowing into the engine, thereby causing the aircraft to shutdown midflight.[3] |
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Check out what theIndians have done to their -21s. Still a very formidable opponent even now. They are junk. The most crashed aircraft in the Indian military inventory. http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/08/08/the-trouble-with-indian-air-forces-mig-21-fighter-jets/?_r=0 Everything India has is junk. Even their Su-30MKIs, MiG-29s, and soon to have Rafales? Get a clue. |
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Do get the MiG 21 module though, it's very challenging and detailed. Come with a 181 page PDF manual. The whole aircraft is interesting. How the radar and navigation systems work is, uhm, also very interesting. View Quote Since it's a 21bis, it should have a Tumansky R-25 with CSR, but I have yet to see anybody confirm that. As you seem to have it, can you confirm whether or not they have that in there, and appropriately modeled (including what happens if you were to run it too long)? |
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One of my soldiers almost took out a mig 21..........
With a truck. |
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Doesn't matter how many fancy aircraft they buy, they still poop in the street. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Even their Su-30MKIs, MiG-29s, and soon to have Rafales? Get a clue. Doesn't matter how many fancy aircraft they buy, they still poop in the street. Doesn't matter if they poop in the street, they have the fancy aircraft and their ability to operate them effectively is well documented. |
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Quoted: Doesn't matter if they poop in the street, they have the fancy aircraft and their ability to operate them effectively is well documented. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Even their Su-30MKIs, MiG-29s, and soon to have Rafales? Get a clue. Doesn't matter how many fancy aircraft they buy, they still poop in the street. Doesn't matter if they poop in the street, they have the fancy aircraft and their ability to operate them effectively is well documented. Links? Have they even had the opportunity to "operate them effectively"? Their inability to figure out indoor plumbing is also well documented. |
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Since it's a 21bis, it should have a Tumansky R-25 with CSR, but I have yet to see anybody confirm that. As you seem to have it, can you confirm whether or not they have that in there, and appropriately modeled (including what happens if you were to run it too long)? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Do get the MiG 21 module though, it's very challenging and detailed. Come with a 181 page PDF manual. The whole aircraft is interesting. How the radar and navigation systems work is, uhm, also very interesting. Since it's a 21bis, it should have a Tumansky R-25 with CSR, but I have yet to see anybody confirm that. As you seem to have it, can you confirm whether or not they have that in there, and appropriately modeled (including what happens if you were to run it too long)? Not sure, but flights didn't last too long for me unless I had an external tank on it. Which then made the handling suck even more. My Hard Drive crashed last weekend though, so I can't pull up the manual to see if the modeled plane had that turbine, but I bet it does. I do know that pulling violent maneuvers with less than optimal fuel levels will cause the turbine to shut down, like the poster above me said. There's a switch located in the cockpit though for this very situation. You flip the "Emergency Start" switch up, turn the engine start mode switch from 'cold start' to 'normal start', press the 'engine startup' button for 4 seconds while sending the plane into a shallow dive. IIRC, I haven't played it in a while. Hope that it starts up. |
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Links? Have they even had the opportunity to "operate them effectively"? Their inability to figure out indoor plumbing is also well documented. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Even their Su-30MKIs, MiG-29s, and soon to have Rafales? Get a clue. Doesn't matter how many fancy aircraft they buy, they still poop in the street. Doesn't matter if they poop in the street, they have the fancy aircraft and their ability to operate them effectively is well documented. Links? Have they even had the opportunity to "operate them effectively"? Their inability to figure out indoor plumbing is also well documented. Stop making yourself look like an idiot. |
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Faggot, fishbed, flogger fulcrum.....noticing a pattern? Nato code words used to describe enemy air. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What exactly is a "Fishbed"? Faggot, fishbed, flogger fulcrum.....noticing a pattern? Nato code words used to describe enemy air. You forgot Foxbat. I know what a faggot, flogger, and fulcrum are. still don't know what a fishbed is. |
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Quoted: As I understand it, it's a made up word. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes To reduce the risk of confusion, unusual or made-up names were allocated, the idea being that the names chosen would be unlikely to occur in normal conversation, and be easier to memorize. For fixed-wing aircraft, single-syllable words denoted piston-prop and turboprop, while multiple-syllable words denoted jets. Bombers had names starting with the letter B and names like Badger (2 syllables: jet), Bear (single syllable: propeller), and Blackjack were used. "Frogfoot,” the reporting name for the Sukhoi Su-25, references the aircraft’s close air support role. Transports had names starting with C (as in "cargo”), which resulted in names like Condor or Candid. A fictional NATO reporting name "Firefox" for a fictional "MiG-31" appears in the novel Firefox and subsequent movie. The real MiG-31 from 1979 was assigned the reporting name "Foxhound". Google, it's a motherfucker. |
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At least four different Fishbed variants in that Polish pic.
Superficially seems to be a maintenance nightmare but I imagine that if NATO and the WaPa had gone to war all of them would have been dust within 48 hours. |
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View Quote The problem won't be buying it. The problem will be maintenance. I think I've heard somewhere around $5000 / month if you just fly it once a month. |
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View Quote That first one 809 I wonder what the window behind the pilot is. You can see the two seaters in the back of the row. Maybe a photo recon version? Wild weasel type? |
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J-7 Fishcan, modified MiG-21.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-7 |
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That first one 809 I wonder what the window behind the pilot is. You can see the two seaters in the back of the row. Maybe a photo recon version? Wild weasel type? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
That first one 809 I wonder what the window behind the pilot is. You can see the two seaters in the back of the row. Maybe a photo recon version? Wild weasel type? As short of legs as the MiG 21 has, I can't see it being any use as an EW or SEAD platform. |
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Even their Su-30MKIs, MiG-29s, and soon to have Rafales? Get a clue. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Check out what theIndians have done to their -21s. Still a very formidable opponent even now. They are junk. The most crashed aircraft in the Indian military inventory. http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/08/08/the-trouble-with-indian-air-forces-mig-21-fighter-jets/?_r=0 Everything India has is junk. Even their Su-30MKIs, MiG-29s, and soon to have Rafales? Get a clue. From the article: A few months back, India’s defense minister, A.K. Antony, said that out of 29 crashes over the past three years in the Indian Air Force, 12 have been MIG-21 airframes. Two more MIG-21s have crashed since Mr. Antony put out those numbers. So...17 of the Indian Air Force aircraft that became lawn darts in the last three years were not Mig-21's. The Russians do point out that the reason for many of the crashes is because the IAF uses substandard spares to maintain their fleet. Hopefully they buy parts for their newest aircraft from the supplying countries. |
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As short of legs as the MiG 21 has, I can't see it being any use as an EW or SEAD platform. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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That first one 809 I wonder what the window behind the pilot is. You can see the two seaters in the back of the row. Maybe a photo recon version? Wild weasel type? As short of legs as the MiG 21 has, I can't see it being any use as an EW or SEAD platform. That's just a MiG-21F13 Fishbed C -the F means update and 13 is for the K-13 missile aka the AA-2 Atoll to NATO. That's just an early 60s production fighter/short range interceptor. The small windows are just for rearward visability,like the side windows on fighters such as the P-36 and P-40 in WWII. Later bis/MF models got a much larger spine that the canopy fairs into and have abysmal rearward visibility. |
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That's just a MiG-21F13 Fishbed C -the F means update and 13 is for the K-13 missile aka the AA-2 Atoll to NATO. That's just an early 60s production fighter/short range interceptor. The small windows are just for rearward visability,like the side windows on fighters such as the P-36 and P-40 in WWII. Later bis/MF models got a much larger spine that the canopy fairs into and have abysmal rearward visibility. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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That first one 809 I wonder what the window behind the pilot is. You can see the two seaters in the back of the row. Maybe a photo recon version? Wild weasel type? As short of legs as the MiG 21 has, I can't see it being any use as an EW or SEAD platform. That's just a MiG-21F13 Fishbed C -the F means update and 13 is for the K-13 missile aka the AA-2 Atoll to NATO. That's just an early 60s production fighter/short range interceptor. The small windows are just for rearward visability,like the side windows on fighters such as the P-36 and P-40 in WWII. Later bis/MF models got a much larger spine that the canopy fairs into and have abysmal rearward visibility. Thanks. What time frame was the MiG-21F13 Fishbed C in operation and which countries used it? Just thinking of building a model of it and really like weathering effects on that number 809. |
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The VPAF and the -17 and -21 would be footnotes in history if the traitors in the White House would have allowed the Air Force to take out the VPAF bases instead of making them off limits.
Who the fuck gives sanctuary to the enemy during a shooting war? Oh, wait, Democrats do. TC |
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Of course it is. Here is a picture of the Russian manual. http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c83/goodnbuzzd/Net/russian-standard-vodka_zps0aa85355.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Do get the MiG 21 module though, it's very challenging and detailed. Come with a 181 page PDF manual. Damn... That's probably more pages than the Soviet manual for the real plane. Of course it is. Here is a picture of the Russian manual. http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c83/goodnbuzzd/Net/russian-standard-vodka_zps0aa85355.jpg Exactly. Manual? Of not need manual. You get in plane, I tell you from ground what do. You survive? You MiG pilot now. If not, you replaced with next candidate. |
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View Quote I love the idiots in the media that think we need that red circle and shaded outer field to see the fire and smoke that takes up 3/4 of the frame. |
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So you don't have any links to the Indian Air Force using their newer aircraft effectively? But it was "well documented"? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Stop making yourself look like an idiot. So you don't have any links to the Indian Air Force using their newer aircraft effectively? But it was "well documented"? http://www.rense.com/general58/VVS.HTM http://theaviationist.com/2014/06/18/su-30-beat-f-15-everytime/ http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2008/11/usaf-pilot-describes-iaf-su30m/ The fact that we let them participate in Red Flag should be evidence enough that they have competent pilots. They have held their own there pretty well from everything I've read.* *I know nothing about what ROEs were established for those engagements. |
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Quoted: http://www.rense.com/general58/VVS.HTM http://theaviationist.com/2014/06/18/su-30-beat-f-15-everytime/ http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2008/11/usaf-pilot-describes-iaf-su30m/ The fact that we let them participate in Red Flag should be evidence enough that they have competent pilots. They have held their own there pretty well from everything I've read.* *I know nothing about what ROEs were established for those engagements. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Stop making yourself look like an idiot. So you don't have any links to the Indian Air Force using their newer aircraft effectively? But it was "well documented"? http://www.rense.com/general58/VVS.HTM http://theaviationist.com/2014/06/18/su-30-beat-f-15-everytime/ http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2008/11/usaf-pilot-describes-iaf-su30m/ The fact that we let them participate in Red Flag should be evidence enough that they have competent pilots. They have held their own there pretty well from everything I've read.* *I know nothing about what ROEs were established for those engagements. Peru, Pakistan, and Thailand have participated in Red Flag as well. |
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Typical Soviet junk.
Very short range fighter. I sat in one and fought them in training. It had for it's time very good slow speed handling. But if you chose not to get slow with it, it was dead meat, assuming it survived to the merge due to lawyers. |
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To reduce the risk of confusion, unusual or made-up names were allocated, the idea being that the names chosen would be unlikely to occur in normal conversation, and be easier to memorize. For fixed-wing aircraft, single-syllable words denoted piston-prop and turboprop, while multiple-syllable words denoted jets. Bombers had names starting with the letter B and names like Badger (2 syllables: jet), Bear (single syllable: propeller), and Blackjack were used. "Frogfoot,” the reporting name for the Sukhoi Su-25, references the aircraft’s close air support role. Transports had names starting with C (as in "cargo”), which resulted in names like Condor or Candid. A fictional NATO reporting name "Firefox" for a fictional "MiG-31" appears in the novel Firefox and subsequent movie. The real MiG-31 from 1979 was assigned the reporting name "Foxhound". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_reporting_name Google, it's a motherfucker. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What exactly is a "Fishbed"? As I understand it, it's a made up word. To reduce the risk of confusion, unusual or made-up names were allocated, the idea being that the names chosen would be unlikely to occur in normal conversation, and be easier to memorize. For fixed-wing aircraft, single-syllable words denoted piston-prop and turboprop, while multiple-syllable words denoted jets. Bombers had names starting with the letter B and names like Badger (2 syllables: jet), Bear (single syllable: propeller), and Blackjack were used. "Frogfoot,” the reporting name for the Sukhoi Su-25, references the aircraft’s close air support role. Transports had names starting with C (as in "cargo”), which resulted in names like Condor or Candid. A fictional NATO reporting name "Firefox" for a fictional "MiG-31" appears in the novel Firefox and subsequent movie. The real MiG-31 from 1979 was assigned the reporting name "Foxhound". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_reporting_name Google, it's a motherfucker. If the Soviet Union still existed, we'd have named one of their transports the Cockfag a few years ago. |
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http://youtu.be/JumGR-lnmkI Dated technology by today's standpoint but in it's day a hell of a plane. I believe some airforces still have them as reserve planes. View Quote The best thing about the 21 is it was made to maintained and repaired by the lowest common denominator in a third world environment. Simple, robust and easy to work on compared to comparable aircraft, made to operate on dirt or grass as well as tarmac. |
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All I know is that having your house buzzed by a MiG-21 wants me to grab an AK and yell WOLVERINES! I am clearly a child of the cold war.
A few locals have them and fly them occasionally, including one guy at my local airport. I probably see more Russian fighters in the air than US ones these days. I've heard that they aren't that expensive to run (as far as high performance combat aircraft go). And that the later versions aren't that hard to fly.
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It would have whupped wholesale ass in WWII. Unfortunately, in WWII the Russkies were flying these: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/Polikarpov_I-15bis.jpg View Quote Good point. That's why Germany won WWII. |
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It would have whupped wholesale ass in WWII. Unfortunately, in WWII the Russkies were flying these: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/Polikarpov_I-15bis.jpg View Quote Po-2 is best Po. |
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