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Posted: 10/7/2015 6:26:01 PM EDT
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Need to use some stuff every now and then to make sure it works.
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Posted: 10/7/2015 6:38:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/7/2015 7:52:01 PM EDT
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Tartarstan only has Kh35 capability, and those lack the range. Dagestan's 3K14s are not the same as the 3M54s the three corvettes can carry. So max 32 for the flotilla onboard. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Edited, ('cause I left the lab open without responding for a while,) to not point something out I thought you missed about numbers, but which you seem to have figured out.  Yeah, my math was bad when I wrote that , however... the Russians said 4 ships fired 26 missiles. Which means they lied or another ship somewhere has VLS.Hmmmm. Looking around, it seems that Dagestan has VLS capable of accommodating 8 3K14s, but I was under the impression that the only variant in service was an anti-ship version, and that the land attack version wasn't in service. Perhaps I be wrong. Dport could probably correct me here, but alas, he is gone. My understanding is that all three major variants (anti-ship, land attack, and anti-submarine) are in service and have been for at least a couple of years. The Tatarstan also can carry 8. Between five ships, if all are so equipped, 40 missiles could be launched. One thing I found interesting was the use of the SS-N-12 for land attack. A few were used this way during the Russo-Georgian War, launched by the Moskva. I'm not sure there had been any indication of such a capability before, at least not that far inland (the older Styx proved the potential for attacking targets on the coast). Tartarstan only has Kh35 capability, and those lack the range. Dagestan's 3K14s are not the same as the 3M54s the three corvettes can carry. So max 32 for the flotilla onboard. I could have sworn that I read that the Gepard class could carry it in lieu of the SS-N-25 (although I'm not sure I've ever seen an above-deck launcher for the Klub/Kaliber). In any case they seem to have sufficient capacity for the launch of the 26 missiles reported. |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 8:33:31 PM EDT
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While the cruise missiles were flying Putin was celebrating his 63rd birthday playing ice hockey. He scored 7 times.
http://www.tmz.com/2015/10/07/vladimir-putin-hockey-birthday-63-russia/ |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 8:50:24 PM EDT
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This video shows MLRS(?) and cluster munitions.  https://youtu.be/-kYJ_PQX7GM
https://youtu.be/-kYJ_PQX7GM Do those fuckers ever shut up? |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 8:55:21 PM EDT
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This is the first time I've ever seen an Arab armored column supported by infantry. The Russians must have told them they have been doing it wrong. However these 2 guys take out 2 tanks in the column. https://youtu.be/7Jn1vN5Bz0E
https://youtu.be/7Jn1vN5Bz0E https://youtu.be/CD_VIYWGDsg
https://youtu.be/CD_VIYWGDsg First video looks like the impact and xplosion were in the field ahead of the tank. Appears they wasted a telephone pole. Good jobs guys. Allah must really have wanted that pole dead. |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 8:58:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: While the cruise missiles were flying Putin was celebrating his 63rd birthday playing ice hockey. He scored 7 times. http://www.tmz.com/2015/10/07/vladimir-putin-hockey-birthday-63-russia/ Obama is ready to play  |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 9:04:12 PM EDT
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While the cruise missiles were flying Putin was celebrating his 63rd birthday playing ice hockey. He scored 7 times.
http://www.tmz.com/2015/10/07/vladimir-putin-hockey-birthday-63-russia/ Did he break Kim Jong Il's golf record too? |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 9:08:27 PM EDT
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I've been enjoying watching them light their money on fire. Lord knows, our own wallet could use a break. Carry on, Russia. My popcorn is still warm, and buttered. This |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 9:10:16 PM EDT
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Yup, The Russians are supporting the guy that started the Civil War in Syria by doing this to unarmed protesters GRAPHIC VIDEO NSFW http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=56c_1304252302 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I doubt those missiles are heading toward ISIS. Lying Russian bitches.... ISIS = armed muslim terrorists Syria moderates = armed muslim terrorists Assad forces = armed muslim terrorists Does not matter who you target in Syria, none of them are US-friendly. It doesn't matter if they are friendly, it matters if they are useful. Many of the allies the US has had over the years weren't pro-US even at the best of times. If US policy regarding the Assad regime is to overthrow him, then there are limited number of resources to use to do this without direct US intervention. For those that think Assad is the strongman that Syria needs to hold things together, remember he is directly 100% responsible for the Syrian Civil War emerging from Arab Spring protests. Arab Spring: A Research & Study Guide, Syria GRAPHIC VIDEO NSFW http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=56c_1304252302 That's incredibly naive. It was a Sunni revolt, and not the first time. |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 9:31:05 PM EDT
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I doubt those missiles are heading toward ISIS. Lying Russian bitches.... ISIS = armed muslim terrorists Syria moderates = armed muslim terrorists Assad forces = armed muslim terrorists Does not matter who you target in Syria, none of them are US-friendly. It doesn't matter if they are friendly, it matters if they are useful. Many of the allies the US has had over the years weren't pro-US even at the best of times. If US policy regarding the Assad regime is to overthrow him, then there are limited number of resources to use to do this without direct US intervention. For those that think Assad is the strongman that Syria needs to hold things together, remember he is directly 100% responsible for the Syrian Civil War emerging from Arab Spring protests. Arab Spring: A Research & Study Guide, Syria GRAPHIC VIDEO NSFW http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=56c_1304252302 That's incredibly naive. It was a Sunni revolt, and not the first time. That's incredibly convenient. |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 10:48:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's incredibly naive. It was a Sunni revolt, and not the first time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I doubt those missiles are heading toward ISIS. Lying Russian bitches.... ISIS = armed muslim terrorists Syria moderates = armed muslim terrorists Assad forces = armed muslim terrorists Does not matter who you target in Syria, none of them are US-friendly. It doesn't matter if they are friendly, it matters if they are useful. Many of the allies the US has had over the years weren't pro-US even at the best of times. If US policy regarding the Assad regime is to overthrow him, then there are limited number of resources to use to do this without direct US intervention. For those that think Assad is the strongman that Syria needs to hold things together, remember he is directly 100% responsible for the Syrian Civil War emerging from Arab Spring protests. Arab Spring: A Research & Study Guide, Syria GRAPHIC VIDEO NSFW http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=56c_1304252302 That's incredibly naive. It was a Sunni revolt, and not the first time. only 3 min into the doc Its also at odds with these other sources: http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/21/how-syrias-secular-uprising-was-hijacked-by-jihadists/ The video I linked is from April 2011, before the movement was hijacked by jihadists and before open armed revolt had started. |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 10:55:14 PM EDT
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I doubt those missiles are heading toward ISIS. Lying Russian bitches.... ISIS = armed muslim terrorists Syria moderates = armed muslim terrorists Assad forces = armed muslim terrorists Does not matter who you target in Syria, none of them are US-friendly. It doesn't matter if they are friendly, it matters if they are useful. Many of the allies the US has had over the years weren't pro-US even at the best of times. If US policy regarding the Assad regime is to overthrow him, then there are limited number of resources to use to do this without direct US intervention. For those that think Assad is the strongman that Syria needs to hold things together, remember he is directly 100% responsible for the Syrian Civil War emerging from Arab Spring protests. Arab Spring: A Research & Study Guide, Syria GRAPHIC VIDEO NSFW http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=56c_1304252302 That's incredibly naive. It was a Sunni revolt, and not the first time. Yeah, the unarmed protests of cleam shaven men and women was a Sunni revolt. |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 11:05:43 PM EDT
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I'm kind of surprised that they even have a Caspian Sea fleet. As a former squid, I'm embarrassed to say the same thing. Did some google map and wiki reading earlier today. |
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Posted: 10/7/2015 11:06:55 PM EDT
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Kinda disagrees with this Frontline doc that calls it a secular uprising as part of the Arab Spring. only 3 min into the doc http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/obama-at-war/ Its also at odds with these other sources: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/03/09/on-anniversary-syria-secular-activists-reflect-on-spiral-from-exultant-protests/ http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/21/how-syrias-secular-uprising-was-hijacked-by-jihadists/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_uprising_phase_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War The video I linked is from April 2011, before the movement was hijacked by jihadists and before open armed revolt had started. The idea that the relatively peaceful Arab Spring protests were Suuni revolts is pure Assad propaganda. Assad actually created the secular war by emptying out prisons of all the Salafist terrorists he had, knowing they would instantly pick up arms and fight. That way he could say to his Alawites supporters that they weren't fighting for a tyrant squashing riots but that it was a religious war launched by Sunni Jihadists. Newsweek: How Syria’s Assad Helped Forge ISIS |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 8:47:33 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/8/2015 9:03:21 AM EDT
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Rumors of Russian helicopters shot down.
<edited. Not a Russian pilot. Found the photo on the internet with an april date.> |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 9:13:26 AM EDT
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Needs more Caspian Sea Monster
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I'm kind of surprised that they even have a Caspian Sea fleet. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 9:20:32 AM EDT
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Rumors of Russian helicopters shot down. Allegedly here is a photo of a dead Russian pilot. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQy-1jVWUAA3uAf.jpg:large Pretty sure that is a Syrian fighter pilot, helicopters don't have oxygen systems or G-suites. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 9:33:25 AM EDT
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This guy seems like he's figuring it out as he goes along. https://youtu.be/1F3rOOBuWKY
https://youtu.be/1F3rOOBuWKY LOL Can you imagine some of the equipment being captured over there and the learning curve to work it correctly. "Hey Achmed, Google the directions on how to work this rocket launcher" 
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Posted: 10/8/2015 9:42:47 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/8/2015 9:45:07 AM EDT
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It doesn't matter if they are friendly, it matters if they are useful. Many of the allies the US has had over the years weren't pro-US even at the best of times. If US policy regarding the Assad regime is to overthrow him, then there are limited number of resources to use to do this without direct US intervention. For those that think Assad is the strongman that Syria needs to hold things together, remember he is directly 100% responsible for the Syrian Civil War emerging from Arab Spring protests. Arab Spring: A Research & Study Guide, Syria Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I doubt those missiles are heading toward ISIS. Lying Russian bitches.... ISIS = armed muslim terrorists Syria moderates = armed muslim terrorists Assad forces = armed muslim terrorists Does not matter who you target in Syria, none of them are US-friendly. It doesn't matter if they are friendly, it matters if they are useful. Many of the allies the US has had over the years weren't pro-US even at the best of times. If US policy regarding the Assad regime is to overthrow him, then there are limited number of resources to use to do this without direct US intervention. For those that think Assad is the strongman that Syria needs to hold things together, remember he is directly 100% responsible for the Syrian Civil War emerging from Arab Spring protests. Arab Spring: A Research & Study Guide, Syria Remind the folks in fly over country again why 'we' want Assad replaced? Obama's foreign policy has resulted in dictators being overthrown in the middle east and been replaced by failed nations run by Islamic terrorists. It's not like any of these Muslim countries are going to become civil, peaceful countries, they will just become part of a Caliphate and destabilize the region. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 9:46:42 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/8/2015 9:53:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/8/2015 10:00:17 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/8/2015 10:14:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/8/2015 10:34:14 AM EDT
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I really want to see vids of those fuckers catching rounds while doing that annoying ass chanting.
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Posted: 10/8/2015 10:38:09 AM EDT
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Doesn't seem like the early offensives are going well for Assad. A softening up air campaign would have seemed a more prudent strategy but it seems Putin wants the regime to attack before it is ready. They have lost a whole bunch of armor.
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Posted: 10/8/2015 10:51:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: High quality video of Russian helicopters attacking. https://youtu.be/lWJ6oFBqdJchttps://youtu.be/lWJ6oFBqdJc |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 10:52:31 AM EDT
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Only a matter of time before one of these is confirmed shot down. tl:dw skip to 1:30 Could have hit it with a rock it's so low.
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Posted: 10/8/2015 11:10:23 AM EDT
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From CDR Sal's blog: http://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2015/10/russian-navy-breaks-seal.html
From August: http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-nearing-deployment-of-new-intermediate-range-naval-missile/ Regarding the SSN-30A, designated as the “Kalibr” missile, Pentagon officials said the new naval weapon can be equipped with both nuclear and conventional warheads and can reach most of Europe when fired from ships in the Black Sea.
The longer-range version of the Kalibr can reach between 620 and 923 miles. A shorter range version can hit targets at distances of up to 180 miles. A cruise missile variant also is being developed that officials said appears to violate the 1987 Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty. A test of the Kalibr was conducted earlier this month, officials said. The new supersonic missile is capable of being used to strike targets both at sea and on land. “This system is about ready to be deployed,” said one official who voiced concerns for U.S. interests and those of allies in Europe. “It allows the Russians to cover most of Europe from the Black Sea on naval vessels. So from "testing" in early August, to "almost ready to be deployed" in late August, to "killing folks and breaking things" in early October. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 11:12:50 AM EDT
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Some of it might have been stock footage, but they did launch missiles from Caspian Sea. Several videos from Iraq showing the missiles fly over are pretty much proof of that. What NeedMoreAmmo is saying is that they didn't target ISIS. That is hard to determine for sure. Russia is going to target anyone who opposes Assad, be it FSA or ISIL/ISIS Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I doubt those missiles are heading toward ISIS. Lying Russian bitches.... Looks like old as fuck propaganda footage. Some of it might have been stock footage, but they did launch missiles from Caspian Sea. Several videos from Iraq showing the missiles fly over are pretty much proof of that. What NeedMoreAmmo is saying is that they didn't target ISIS. That is hard to determine for sure. Russia is going to target anyone who opposes Assad, be it FSA or ISIL/ISIS I understand that we differentiate between all these groups but do they? Im not shocked at all they are shooting at any one opposing Assad. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 11:21:19 AM EDT
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Not the Russians Nor Obama. The truth is somewhere in between. I agree. But Russia Today is even more biased than US Media. It is funded by the Kremlin. Have you ever watched MSNBC? I honestly have no idea who is worse. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 12:33:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only a matter of time before one of these is confirmed shot down. tl:dw skip to 1:30 Could have hit it with a rock it's so low. https://youtu.be/7TSMCkbKO18https://youtu.be/7TSMCkbKO18 Its like the Russians are saying "shoot at us so our drones high above can mark our targets and we bomb you later with high precision bombs." |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 5:00:01 PM EDT
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What is that ordnance ? Looks like flares at first look but they're definitely some type of cluster munition. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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High quality video of Russian helicopters attacking. https://youtu.be/lWJ6oFBqdJc
https://youtu.be/lWJ6oFBqdJc Looks like a salvo of unguided rockets with a few flares while over the target area. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 5:25:10 PM EDT
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Yeah, the unarmed protests of cleam shaven men and women was a Sunni revolt. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's incredibly naive. It was a Sunni revolt, and not the first time. Yeah, the unarmed protests of cleam shaven men and women was a Sunni revolt. Clean shaven? Lol is that the basis of your new rationalizations? Geez, it's a sectarian revolt, this is undeniable and not unprecedented in the history of Syria, or are you suggesting the Christians, Alawites, and Druze were in on the uprising as well because that is beyond absurd. It's hilarious watching you guys convince yourselves that there was ever a purely secular and spontaneous uprising of 'good guys' lol. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 5:27:00 PM EDT
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I understand that we differentiate between all these groups but do they? Im not shocked at all they are shooting at any one opposing Assad. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I doubt those missiles are heading toward ISIS. Lying Russian bitches.... Looks like old as fuck propaganda footage. Some of it might have been stock footage, but they did launch missiles from Caspian Sea. Several videos from Iraq showing the missiles fly over are pretty much proof of that. What NeedMoreAmmo is saying is that they didn't target ISIS. That is hard to determine for sure. Russia is going to target anyone who opposes Assad, be it FSA or ISIL/ISIS I understand that we differentiate between all these groups but do they? Im not shocked at all they are shooting at any one opposing Assad. Not openly, to the press, making a distinction works against them. But they would have to classify each group separately for military planning; even the Russians have intelligence sections trying to understand who the enemy are. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 5:32:05 PM EDT
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Clean shaven? Lol is that the basis of your new rationalizations? Geez, it's a sectarian revolt, this is undeniable and not unprecedented in the history of Syria, or are you suggesting the Christians, Alawites, and Druze were in on the uprising as well because that is beyond absurd. It's hilarious watching you guys convince yourselves that there was ever a purely secular and spontaneous uprising of 'good guys' lol. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's incredibly naive. It was a Sunni revolt, and not the first time. Yeah, the unarmed protests of cleam shaven men and women was a Sunni revolt. Clean shaven? Lol is that the basis of your new rationalizations? Geez, it's a sectarian revolt, this is undeniable and not unprecedented in the history of Syria, or are you suggesting the Christians, Alawites, and Druze were in on the uprising as well because that is beyond absurd. It's hilarious watching you guys convince yourselves that there was ever a purely secular and spontaneous uprising of 'good guys' lol. I used that basis since the video of one of the unarmed protests where Syrian security forces lit up the crowd are right there for you to see (not that you would). Sunni jihadists don't 1.) allow men to be clean shaven 2.) allow women to attend mass protests. ie. It wasn't a Sunni jihadist protest. I love how you are incapable of discerning what is obvious because its counter to the normal pro-Assad propaganda that you love to spout on about. Next thing you'll deny that Assad didn't purposely empty his prisons of Sunni jihadists in the hopes that they would immediately take up arms so he could declare the Civil War was not about abuse of power and tyranny, but about sectarian reasons. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 5:52:04 PM EDT
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We got a Hind down! We got a Hind down!
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Posted: 10/8/2015 5:57:33 PM EDT
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We got a Hind down! We got a Hind down! They are going to lose the initiative! 
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Posted: 10/8/2015 10:34:10 PM EDT
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Some different angles.
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Posted: 10/8/2015 11:55:20 PM EDT
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So probably a stupid question but I haven't really been keeping up with whats going on over there. From what it seems like the rebels have been making some gains in the last few years. With the Russians behind Assad now, would you consider it a game changer? Just looking for an idea of who is winning the fight.
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Posted: 10/9/2015 12:05:10 AM EDT
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So probably a stupid question but I haven't really been keeping up with whats going on over there. From what it seems like the rebels have been making some gains in the last few years. With the Russians behind Assad now, would you consider it a game changer? Just looking for an idea of who is winning the fight. That's exactly what we're all watching to find out. In theory, Russia's aid should make a significant impact, especially if they begin using ground troops in any significant way. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 1:14:53 AM EDT
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Some Russian hardware on guard at Latakia airbase.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d6d_1444058028  More on the Krasukha-4 broadband multifunctional jamming station. https://www.rt.com/news/russia-radar-jammer-drones-864/ http://sputniknews.com/world/20151005/1028033057/syria-russia-electronic-warfare-systems.html |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 8:02:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/9/2015 8:08:24 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/9/2015 9:36:12 AM EDT
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I used that basis since the video of one of the unarmed protests where Syrian security forces lit up the crowd are right there for you to see (not that you would). Sunni jihadists don't 1.) allow men to be clean shaven 2.) allow women to attend mass protests. ie. It wasn't a Sunni jihadist protest. I love how you are incapable of discerning what is obvious because its counter to the normal pro-Assad propaganda that you love to spout on about. Next thing you'll deny that Assad didn't purposely empty his prisons of Sunni jihadists in the hopes that they would immediately take up arms so he could declare the Civil War was not about abuse of power and tyranny, but about sectarian reasons. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's incredibly naive. It was a Sunni revolt, and not the first time. Yeah, the unarmed protests of cleam shaven men and women was a Sunni revolt. Clean shaven? Lol is that the basis of your new rationalizations? Geez, it's a sectarian revolt, this is undeniable and not unprecedented in the history of Syria, or are you suggesting the Christians, Alawites, and Druze were in on the uprising as well because that is beyond absurd. It's hilarious watching you guys convince yourselves that there was ever a purely secular and spontaneous uprising of 'good guys' lol. I used that basis since the video of one of the unarmed protests where Syrian security forces lit up the crowd are right there for you to see (not that you would). Sunni jihadists don't 1.) allow men to be clean shaven 2.) allow women to attend mass protests. ie. It wasn't a Sunni jihadist protest. I love how you are incapable of discerning what is obvious because its counter to the normal pro-Assad propaganda that you love to spout on about. Next thing you'll deny that Assad didn't purposely empty his prisons of Sunni jihadists in the hopes that they would immediately take up arms so he could declare the Civil War was not about abuse of power and tyranny, but about sectarian reasons. Now you're making stuff up and moving goal posts. I said it was a Sunni revolt. The majority of Syria is Sunni, and that majority has largely been excluded from the political process. You know this to be true so now you're adding the Sunni Jihadist tag where I never even said that. I guess when people shave their beards, they also shave away their Sunni identity, I guess one can't be Sunni without a damn beard. You have an incredibly binary view of this conflict, and a very convenient one as well. A month ago, everyone here knew what this conflict was about. Now that Russia is involved, you have people trying to sugar coat it. If you want to arm the FSA and others to bleed out Russia, fine just say so. But let's stop pretending that when Assad falls, Syria will not become either a Sunni majority nation vulnerable to the political shenanigans of the Muslim Brotherhood (the traditional opposition in Syria and still a majority influence in the SNC) a la Egypt, or a Sunni majority quagmire and anarcho state of competing interests and infighting amongst one another a la Libya...either of which will only further destabilize the region. Be careful what you wish for, because your tiny group of secular and democratic minded Syrians are never going to get their way. The Sunnis have long since rejected Arab nationalism and liberal policies for religious counter revolutions....some more moderate than others (MB vs. ISIS), but still the prevailing trend one way or another. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 9:47:40 AM EDT
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Now you're making stuff up and moving goal posts. I said it was a Sunni revolt. The majority of Syria is Sunni, and that majority has largely been excluded from the political process. You know this to be true so now you're adding the Sunni Jihadist tag where I never even said that. I guess when people shave their beards, they also shave away their Sunni identity, I guess one can't be Sunni without a damn beard. You have an incredibly binary view of this conflict, and a very convenient one as well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's incredibly naive. It was a Sunni revolt, and not the first time. Yeah, the unarmed protests of cleam shaven men and women was a Sunni revolt. Clean shaven? Lol is that the basis of your new rationalizations? Geez, it's a sectarian revolt, this is undeniable and not unprecedented in the history of Syria, or are you suggesting the Christians, Alawites, and Druze were in on the uprising as well because that is beyond absurd. It's hilarious watching you guys convince yourselves that there was ever a purely secular and spontaneous uprising of 'good guys' lol. I used that basis since the video of one of the unarmed protests where Syrian security forces lit up the crowd are right there for you to see (not that you would). Sunni jihadists don't 1.) allow men to be clean shaven 2.) allow women to attend mass protests. ie. It wasn't a Sunni jihadist protest. I love how you are incapable of discerning what is obvious because its counter to the normal pro-Assad propaganda that you love to spout on about. Next thing you'll deny that Assad didn't purposely empty his prisons of Sunni jihadists in the hopes that they would immediately take up arms so he could declare the Civil War was not about abuse of power and tyranny, but about sectarian reasons. Now you're making stuff up and moving goal posts. I said it was a Sunni revolt. The majority of Syria is Sunni, and that majority has largely been excluded from the political process. You know this to be true so now you're adding the Sunni Jihadist tag where I never even said that. I guess when people shave their beards, they also shave away their Sunni identity, I guess one can't be Sunni without a damn beard. You have an incredibly binary view of this conflict, and a very convenient one as well. Bad logic here. It'd be like saying that the American Revolution was a Christian revolt, because the majority of the participants were Christians. A Sunni revolt would be a revolt focused on Sunni religious beliefs. |
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Bad logic here. It'd be like saying that the American Revolution was a Christian revolt, because the majority of the participants were Christians. A Sunni revolt would be a revolt focused on Sunni religious beliefs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah, the unarmed protests of cleam shaven men and women was a Sunni revolt. Clean shaven? Lol is that the basis of your new rationalizations? Geez, it's a sectarian revolt, this is undeniable and not unprecedented in the history of Syria, or are you suggesting the Christians, Alawites, and Druze were in on the uprising as well because that is beyond absurd. It's hilarious watching you guys convince yourselves that there was ever a purely secular and spontaneous uprising of 'good guys' lol. I used that basis since the video of one of the unarmed protests where Syrian security forces lit up the crowd are right there for you to see (not that you would). Sunni jihadists don't 1.) allow men to be clean shaven 2.) allow women to attend mass protests. ie. It wasn't a Sunni jihadist protest. I love how you are incapable of discerning what is obvious because its counter to the normal pro-Assad propaganda that you love to spout on about. Next thing you'll deny that Assad didn't purposely empty his prisons of Sunni jihadists in the hopes that they would immediately take up arms so he could declare the Civil War was not about abuse of power and tyranny, but about sectarian reasons. Now you're making stuff up and moving goal posts. I said it was a Sunni revolt. The majority of Syria is Sunni, and that majority has largely been excluded from the political process. You know this to be true so now you're adding the Sunni Jihadist tag where I never even said that. I guess when people shave their beards, they also shave away their Sunni identity, I guess one can't be Sunni without a damn beard. You have an incredibly binary view of this conflict, and a very convenient one as well. Bad logic here. It'd be like saying that the American Revolution was a Christian revolt, because the majority of the participants were Christians. A Sunni revolt would be a revolt focused on Sunni religious beliefs. No, you're simply making the same mistakes he is making and ignoring all the evidence and makeup of the opposition, the history of Syria, who is backing who, and recent precedent. It's fine, I can't wait to say I told you so. You would think you guys would learn something about the Middle East by now. These Wilsonian policies will continue to fail over and over again. At least in Egypt we had a strong secular military infrastructure that could reverse it, you will not have that in Syria post Assad since it is dominated by the Alawites and will be persona non grata after the fall. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 10:05:08 AM EDT
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No, you're simply making the same mistakes he is making and ignoring all the evidence and makeup of the opposition, the history of Syria, who is backing who, and recent precedent. It's fine, I can't wait to say I told you so. You would think you guys would learn something about the Middle East by now. These Wilsonian policies will continue to fail over and over again. At least in Egypt we had a strong secular military infrastructure that could reverse it, you will not have that in Syria post Assad since it is dominated by the Alawites and will be persona non grata after the fall. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Now you're making stuff up and moving goal posts. I said it was a Sunni revolt. The majority of Syria is Sunni, and that majority has largely been excluded from the political process. You know this to be true so now you're adding the Sunni Jihadist tag where I never even said that. I guess when people shave their beards, they also shave away their Sunni identity, I guess one can't be Sunni without a damn beard. You have an incredibly binary view of this conflict, and a very convenient one as well. Bad logic here. It'd be like saying that the American Revolution was a Christian revolt, because the majority of the participants were Christians. A Sunni revolt would be a revolt focused on Sunni religious beliefs. No, you're simply making the same mistakes he is making and ignoring all the evidence and makeup of the opposition, the history of Syria, who is backing who, and recent precedent. It's fine, I can't wait to say I told you so. You would think you guys would learn something about the Middle East by now. These Wilsonian policies will continue to fail over and over again. At least in Egypt we had a strong secular military infrastructure that could reverse it, you will not have that in Syria post Assad since it is dominated by the Alawites and will be persona non grata after the fall. What the war is now and what started it are two different issues. |
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