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Posted: 7/11/2020 12:02:52 PM EDT
[#1]
Ok OP - Thank you for costing me 33 or so bucks on that bandoleer.
I am thinking my goto build will be a flat top upper with a 20 inch pencil barrel,skinny rail forend, red dot or some sort and a MOE SL Stock.... I think that the 20 inch barrels are badass. Wished I had never sold my M16A1 upper - it was sweet. Red |
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Posted: 7/11/2020 12:04:43 PM EDT
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M16A1 clone, Remington 700 in .30-06, or a Weatherby chambered for .300 Weatherby are all absolutely appropriate boomer rifles.
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Posted: 7/11/2020 12:11:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Since the Weaver is out of production, what are other quality options in the same price range (<200.00)? What about Bushnell, they seem to have some similar models? That Leupold I linked earlier is right at $200.00 with the Duplex Reticle. $249.00 with the Pig Plex Reticle. |
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Posted: 7/11/2020 12:16:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was able to hit an 8" plate at 200 yards using Wolf Gold 55gr FMJ on 3x, which equates to headshots at that range. 4x would certainly be better, but all 1-4x scopes I can find are big, fat, 30mm pigs, which defeats the lightweight and handy element. I really REALLY want this $200 Weaver 1-3x20 to be brought back into production with illumination, and maybe a bit thicker duplex lines. 1" tube, Japanese glass, 9 oz- it would truly fill a void in the market for a small lightweight mid-tier GOOD LPVO Primary Arms and Swampfox, if you make a small lightweight illuminated 1-4x it would SELL SELL SELL @MARSH1 @That_Guy_Mike Put one of the Primary Arms ACSS reticles on there with ranging holdovers. Folks might cringe but I always hoped for something based on the CQ/T. The optics were fine, it had a great 1x, just needed a better reticle design and to eliminate all the extraneous rails and crap to get the weight down to a minimum. Integrated mount isn't necessarily a bad thing if it was done right. |
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Posted: 7/11/2020 12:21:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: M16A1 clone, Remington 700 in .30-06, or a Weatherby chambered for .300 Weatherby are all absolutely appropriate boomer rifles. That or an A2 clone, or an M1A. |
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Posted: 7/11/2020 12:35:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: M16A1 clone, Remington 700 in .30-06, or a Weatherby chambered for .300 Weatherby are all absolutely appropriate boomer rifles. I shall crank the boomer to 11. 
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Posted: 7/11/2020 4:25:28 PM EDT
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you folks commenting on my picture, here toy go:
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Posted: 7/11/2020 11:50:27 PM EDT
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Looks like the Leupold VX-Freedom is the best optic now for the money
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1019637344 |
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Posted: 7/12/2020 12:02:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Since the Weaver is out of production, what are other quality options in the same price range (<200.00)? What about Bushnell, they seem to have some similar models? My first LPVO was an AR Optics 1-4x24 with the FFP BTR reticle. Decent quality, but the reticle was so small at 1x that it was basically useless unless you had the brightness on full with a fresh battery. I also had issues with the turrets getting adjusted off my zero from ordinary handling of the rifle. The form factor was about perfect, but those two issues led me to replace it. I've been much happier with my RT-6, even though it's bigger and heavier. Maybe keep a lookout for a used MTAC or similar 1-4 though. That'll probably get you a lot more optic for your dollar than any of the sub-200-new LPVOs can give you. |
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Posted: 7/12/2020 8:53:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: M16A1 clone, Remington 700 in .30-06, or a Weatherby chambered for .300 Weatherby are all absolutely appropriate boomer rifles. I shall crank the boomer to 11. https://i.imgur.com/IGlJWwq.jpg |
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Posted: 7/12/2020 9:36:43 AM EDT
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Yes it is. I wish there was a way to mount a bayonet to my build. A lowpro gas block with a bayonet lug would be great
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Posted: 7/12/2020 9:54:49 AM EDT
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I built this 16" to suit me. 7.5# with a loaded 20 rounder.
 Attached FileI set it up for both a single-point and a two point sling. |
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Posted: 7/12/2020 10:01:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was able to hit an 8" plate at 200 yards using Wolf Gold 55gr FMJ on 3x, which equates to headshots at that range. 4x would certainly be better, but all 1-4x scopes I can find are big, fat, 30mm pigs, which defeats the lightweight and handy element. I really REALLY want this $200 Weaver 1-3x20 to be brought back into production with illumination, and maybe a bit thicker duplex lines. 1" tube, Japanese glass, 9 oz- it would truly fill a void in the market for a small lightweight mid-tier GOOD LPVO Primary Arms and Swampfox, if you make a small lightweight illuminated 1-4x it would SELL SELL SELL @MARSH1 @That_Guy_Mike Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Good article. I can dig it. Now I'm envisioning The Villages Militia Battalion  3x seems a bit low... even with the additional weight I'd think more top end magnification would be desirable. 4x would certainly be better, but all 1-4x scopes I can find are big, fat, 30mm pigs, which defeats the lightweight and handy element. I really REALLY want this $200 Weaver 1-3x20 to be brought back into production with illumination, and maybe a bit thicker duplex lines. 1" tube, Japanese glass, 9 oz- it would truly fill a void in the market for a small lightweight mid-tier GOOD LPVO Primary Arms and Swampfox, if you make a small lightweight illuminated 1-4x it would SELL SELL SELL @MARSH1 @That_Guy_Mike See if you can find a Leupold Mark AR Firedot 1.5-4x. They're as close as you'll get to that Weaver with illumination. Scope production is moving away from low weight. It seems like people are fixated on big tube diameters and huge magnification ranges. I like your concept, OP. ARs can be very light, handy, and fully functional with standard parts. I have a 16" that I used to have loaded up with a bunch of stuff. The more I take off, the more I like it. |
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Posted: 7/12/2020 4:33:48 PM EDT
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I have to give credit to the Bushmaster V-match of long ago and the more recent ORC, and the DPMS Oracle, for showing what can be done with a lopro gasblock and standard handguards.
Here's a previous build. A 10.5 pistol with a Faxon pencil barrel and an Aimpoint.  |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 7:53:09 AM EDT
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And here's a lightweight optics only build I did after looking hard at a used DPMS Oracle at the gunshop. They only wanted $450 for it (this was last November), and I spent 20 minutes really thinking about getting it as a beater. The only real drawback was the 1-9 twist barrel. I don't like carbine gas systems because the front sight post is too close to my face, but this did not have the front sight at all. And the carbine gas system placed the weight farther back on the barrel, making the muzzle very spry. The Oracle was extremely lightweight and the balance was superb. After thinking about it for a long time I realized that I had enough spare parts to make this upper from an old Bushmaster barrel. I've since torn the upper apart for other projects, but this style would be great for a petite female or a kid/teenager.
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:10:40 PM EDT
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 From one of the comments on your article: In keeping with your “boomer” reference ( I hate that rude, condescending and insulting monicker) FFS  |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:16:13 PM EDT
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Barrett Fieldcraft in 6.5cm.
Leupold VX5 3-15. Really comfy sling. Walking stick with a rifle rest on it. |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:19:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like the Leupold VX-Freedom is the best optic now for the money https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1019637344 It really is. The 1.5-4x is a great multi range scope on An ar. |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:30:49 PM EDT
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I guess this would be my old man working gun. I built it about 10-12 years ago.
Lightweight BCM upper on a DM lower with Bushmaster internals. 7lb empty. I can still use the red dot but a lower powered variable scope will probably be in my future.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 9:00:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes it is. I wish there was a way to mount a bayonet to my build. A lowpro gas block with a bayonet lug would be great You could do this I guess. I just did it as a slap in the face to the libs.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 9:08:02 PM EDT
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I have three of those cut down gas blocks from Bushmaster. I guess I could drill and tap them for set screws.
I was talking about a standard set screw low pro gas block with a built in bayonet lug. I'd buy seven of them |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 9:17:57 PM EDT
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This is a timely thread. My Dad is rockin' a Remington 7600 in 30-06, and has (to my great surprise) amassed an impressive collection of ten-round magazines for same. He scored them and a whole bunch of 150 gr Core-Lokt when he was working gun shows. He keeps the rifle close at hand, and he has staged mags around the house. Today I helped him put together a response belt- three magazines, tourniquet, light. He ain't John Wick, but neither will he go gently into that good night if the balloon goes up.
If I understand the intent of this thread, Dad has nailed it- a rifle he's dead-asleep familiar with, in a proven fighting caliber. There are social shotguns sprinkled about the house as well. I make sure I bump the horn a couple times before I knock on the front door these days. |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 11:54:13 PM EDT
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You're a good son
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:00:29 AM EDT
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My 70+ yr old mom has a windham 16” setup like the OP’s top rifle. I think it has a 2x7 vortex on it. Perfect for pest control on the farm.
I think I would lean towards something like PA’s new 2x for town work 
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:46:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: M16A1 clone, Remington 700 in .30-06, or a Weatherby chambered for .300 Weatherby are all absolutely appropriate boomer rifles. I shall crank the boomer to 11. https://i.imgur.com/IGlJWwq.jpg I like that. My .458S would transition nicely into that look. ETA: Might have to switch that to 6.5G. The .458 is a short thumper. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:49:20 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/21/2020 10:12:31 AM EDT
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And in consideration or the topic, I also have an old man handgun, a Beretta Tomcat with the tip up barrel. I call it my "arthritis gun" because I can load it without having to rack the slide..
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Posted: 8/13/2020 1:40:03 PM EDT
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I am going to change the optic from the 1-3x LPVO to the Bushnell Lil'P 1x prism and see how it does.
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Posted: 8/13/2020 1:47:11 PM EDT
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Sights are everything. Red dot is first (quickest and easiest to use). Scope is second (great in that they don't need battteries).
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Posted: 8/13/2020 2:10:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sights are everything. Red dot is first (quickest and easiest to use). Scope is second (great in that they don't need battteries). for old eyes, and for targets at distance or ambiguous, red dots SUCK |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 2:20:50 PM EDT
[#31]
Here you go boomer..
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Posted: 8/19/2020 11:11:44 AM EDT
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the Lil P Prism seems to do very well. I may replace the LPVO alltogether
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Posted: 8/19/2020 11:21:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Vehicle mounted Browning .50 and a shit-ton of ammo. You're getting old bro, not time to downgrade on firepower.  /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/1zvslystz4-7.gif https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/316849/647304ba9a7c2b8551c2357837653f0e94726152-1498584.JPG 
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Posted: 8/19/2020 11:58:39 AM EDT
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My vision has done a complete 180degree turn as I reached 60
I now have better than 20/20 distance vision Can’t see to read without reading glasses, though Kinda good because I really feel that irons are adequate for any thing 200 yds or under. Maybe not gonna make consistent headshots but good enough for center mass The front sight post is just at that point of still being sharp Been wanting an American made red dot just because, but hesitant to spend $460 only to find out it’s not all that |
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Posted: 8/19/2020 12:41:10 PM EDT
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Q Honey Badger Pistol (4lbs 8 oz) unloaded sans optics.
Close up cqb and super quiet with a can or reach out and touch stuff at 300+ meters with the switch of a mag. |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 1:13:15 PM EDT
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so it seems Kyle R effectively used an Okay Boomer- type rifle. an optic only basic carbine, S&W AR with railed gasblock
Reminds me of my prototype build |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 1:39:07 PM EDT
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I may change my mind but for now ( I'm 66) I'll stick with my five ARs bone stock dialed at 50 yards with iron sights only along with a pair of AIs. One in .308 and one in 6CM. Both have NF ATACRs. If I can't solve problems from 1400 to CQB with these we'll switch to the Mossy 500s and 9MMs. After that it's my tractor, hammers and then the dog IF they get me God help them 'cause Mom is next.
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Posted: 9/9/2020 6:23:58 PM EDT
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Hmmm. I wonder if the new RMRcc reflex sight would be workable on an urban OKB rifle. That's probably about as light as you could get on an optic
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