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Posted: 3/19/2022 12:17:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: AR10 is not the same form factor. I took SIG's photo and used the Lancer magazine's width as the known (3.22" front to back on bottom half). I got the following dimensions, take these all as approximate Takedown pin spacing: 7.24" AR10 6.87 Upper receiver length (used the notch between the front pin and the start of the handguard) 9.15" AR10 8.5" (approx) Front of magwell to back of receiver near grip (not counting extra spacing of plastic grip) 6.99 AR10 7.04" -- call that the same Bottom of lower receiver at trigger to top of rail, 4.18" AR10 3.42 Looks like the same form factor as an AR10 to me (ie, "same approximate size and shape"), unless the magazine in the photo is not a Lancer 308 magazine |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 12:19:59 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote History Fuck |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 12:22:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I took SIG's photo and used the Lancer magazine's width as the known (3.22" front to back on bottom half). I got the following dimensions, take these all as approximate Takedown pin spacing: 7.24" AR10 6.87 Upper receiver length (used the notch between the front pin and the start of the handguard) 9.15" AR10 8.5" (approx) Front of magwell to back of receiver near grip (not counting extra spacing of plastic grip) 6.99 AR10 7.04" -- call that the same Bottom of lower receiver at trigger to top of rail, 4.18" AR10 3.42 Looks like the same form factor as an AR10 to me (ie, "same approximate size and shape"), unless the magazine in the photo is not a Lancer 308 magazine Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: AR10 is not the same form factor. I took SIG's photo and used the Lancer magazine's width as the known (3.22" front to back on bottom half). I got the following dimensions, take these all as approximate Takedown pin spacing: 7.24" AR10 6.87 Upper receiver length (used the notch between the front pin and the start of the handguard) 9.15" AR10 8.5" (approx) Front of magwell to back of receiver near grip (not counting extra spacing of plastic grip) 6.99 AR10 7.04" -- call that the same Bottom of lower receiver at trigger to top of rail, 4.18" AR10 3.42 Looks like the same form factor as an AR10 to me (ie, "same approximate size and shape"), unless the magazine in the photo is not a Lancer 308 magazine I'll take some photos this weekend to show why analyzing it that way is disingenuous. Luckily, I have a striped down Noveske N6 to use as reference. ETA: Obviously, size is somewhat more comparable to an AR10 over an AR15, but there are significant design aspects which differentiate it from the AR10 Form Factor. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 12:23:21 AM EDT
[#4]
I'd rather buy bitcoin.
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Posted: 3/19/2022 12:26:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it’s a cool looking rifle. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 12:26:48 AM EDT
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I suspect the 277 Fury will be a barrel eating monster. 80,000 psi
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Posted: 3/19/2022 12:28:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I suspect the 277 Fury will be a barrel eating monster. 80,000 psi From what I've been told, they are working with Bartlein and their magic barrel pixie dust. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 12:32:51 AM EDT
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It looks sick, but it's a little unfortunate that infantry rifles are getting priced out of reach of the common man. Just about anyone with some discipline can get a fully kitted AR, not so much for this or its ammo. And I really do think these next gen rifles and especially sighting systems are gonna be significant force multipliers.
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Posted: 3/19/2022 12:37:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It looks sick, but it's a little unfortunate that infantry rifles are getting priced out of reach of the common man. Just about anyone with some discipline can get a fully kitted AR, not so much for this or its ammo. And I really do think these next gen rifles and especially sighting systems are gonna be significant force multipliers. Initial introductions of any "new technology" is always priced ridiculously. If it is viable, the market has a way of churning out these developments at a more and more accessible level. It's basic Moore's Law. Sig has a vested interest in getting the ammo costs down, as a direct function of adoption. Same with the optics. Just look at Thermals, and what's happened there in the last 10 years. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 12:47:08 AM EDT
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Quite a bit of passive aggressive jealousy in this thread. Cool stick, OP.
I’m really torn on Sig’s products. On one hand, I believe they are the most innovative major manufacturer currently in the industry, and I love that they actually fight for the cause. On the other hand, they seem to consistently fuck up product roll outs, and they produce concealed curry firearms. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 12:50:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nonsense. Sig doesn't support the firearms they produce and drops them and all support with a quickness. I can buy standard AR parts anywhere and everywhere. OPs rifle looks really nice though |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 1:19:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP didn't you do this exact thread about a month or so ago? I thought I'd found a time machine. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 1:21:17 AM EDT
[#13]
I really want one in 6.6 creed.
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Posted: 3/19/2022 1:21:28 AM EDT
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I'll keep shooting my Super Duty and Geissele/PSA builds. Thanks tho.
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Posted: 3/19/2022 1:28:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you put a Vortex Strike Eagle on it and nonchalantly post pics? NC Star please. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 1:30:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll keep shooting my Super Duty and Geissele/PSA builds. Thanks tho. I want to see that new large frame G they were talking about making for the military. They crushed it with their small frames. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 1:30:33 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nonsense. Sig doesn’t support the firearms they produce and drops them and all support with a quickness. I can buy standard AR parts anywhere and everywhere. Shockingly accurate post from the new guy. 5moa is acceptable accuracy per sig. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 1:37:24 AM EDT
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Didnt you make a post like this about the MCX and within a week admit your MCX Rattler shit the bed and you took a Q Honey badger instead?
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Posted: 3/19/2022 2:00:32 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryI'm happy to stay poor rather than blow that kind of cash on a single rifle. That's nuts. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 2:08:19 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Initial introductions of any "new technology" is always priced ridiculously. If it is viable, the market has a way of churning out these developments at a more and more accessible level. It's basic Moore's Law. Sig has a vested interest in getting the ammo costs down, as a direct function of adoption. Same with the optics. Just look at Thermals, and what's happened there in the last 10 years. I hope you're right. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 2:20:37 AM EDT
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It appears to be an interesting rifle.
You have some personality shortcomings that you should address. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 2:27:13 AM EDT
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Sig somehow made an ar10 that is even bulkier and heavier. 8.5 lbs with no light, optic, dbal, etc.
This thing is going to weigh 12 lbs when outfitted and holding a mag. So far it looks like a disaster. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 2:30:52 AM EDT
[#23]
I'll just leave this here... for no reason, at all.
 The Pentagon Wars - 1998 Full Movie |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 2:43:43 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Defeat Modern Russian Body Armor. Tell that to the US Army, they seem to think there is an imperative issue that needs to be addressed. It's shipping, and should have quite a big push on. You have to register this guy to claim the free boxes. The imperative issue the Army has is justifying it’s budget increases year after year. If you don’t find a reason to waste money, they lower your budget the following year. Same reason the military(entire government) is always funding research that makes no sense just to ditch and go back to what they already had. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:22:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ll stick with my SR15. Thanks though. This. There have been many guns that are an improvement over the M16/m4. But is the cost worth it. That's the rub. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:37:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Would drive that weapon system in an austere kinetic environment. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:45:34 AM EDT
[#27]
What the hell is 277 fury??
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:55:07 AM EDT
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Quoted: ... in just about every way. It fixes the gas issue with the gun, particularly when shooting suppressed. User adjustable. It removes the stupid buffer tube design with a giant spring which incredibly limits the portability of the gun. It allows for quick change barrels and hand guards for easier end user configuration. Higher rail height, even taller than an MCX, which gets the optics higher, which is more in line with modern shooting technique. It comes in a caliber that isn't a glorified varmint cartridge. It is superior at long range, versus the outdated design of the 5.56 cartridge. It's Tanodized, which is the superior method of anodization. It has traditional and side charging handles. It has improved user controls, including ambidextrous mag catch and bolt hold-open/release. Designed to work with modern slings out of the box. Increased service life dramatically by the end users ability to replace high wear components, engineered with materials designed to last far longer The real question is, why haven't you accepted SIG Sauer USA as your lord and savior yet? https://i.imgur.com/PwaaW1c.jpg Pass. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:58:14 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: On this topic, OP and I must differ in opinion. 18Z50...M4A1 now, M4A1 tomorrow! Yas. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 4:09:59 AM EDT
[#30]
Op that's a nice rifle, that being said as a poor even 2-3k is a bit much for the "average" person I feel like. Then factor in probable barrel life issues, and ammo costs to actually train with the gun would be astronomical IMHO and will remain that way for the foreseeable future.
Been following the hybrid ammo for about 7 years now, and while I think it has interesting potential. Untill barrel life is figured out and some made common .Mil ammo it will not be feasible for most. Plus as it appears Russian body armor might not be that great the 5.45 and 7.62x36 the Ukrainians are using seems to do the job. 20 inch musket with 55 or 62gr pills will probably work in a pinch. Finally given the geography of where I personally live in would have to drive 2 hours one way to even properly shoot this rifle past 300 yards. So that is a non starter for me and why I stick with 5.56 guns myself. Definitely cool as hell to have the latest and greatest (as a handgun shooter primarily I love my Staccato P) , but this is a crazy buy in price again. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 8:43:22 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Imagine being that upset at a gun company. I thought we were all pro capitalism here? Oh it's not the company, it's what management did to the company. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 8:46:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2022 8:59:41 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DriftPunch  :Are those posties, or are you that cool? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DriftPunch :There’s a 416 and scar in there, so they’re either posties or OP is cartel affiliated |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 9:02:49 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll take one in 6.5 Creedmoor. That’s not how this works… |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 9:15:03 AM EDT
[#35]
80k psi doesn't come free.
That thing is going to eat bolts and barrels. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 9:16:42 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You think the ballistic improvements of the 6.8x51mm are only 5% over a 5.56? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: ”Man, that Bugatti is really cool, but my Kia Forte is superior because there’s more widely available service shops!” Is a Bugatti only 5% faster than a Kia Forte? You think the ballistic improvements of the 6.8x51mm are only 5% over a 5.56? It would be much more accurate to compare it to 6.5 or 6mm creedmoor. This is not a small frame gun. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 9:17:22 AM EDT
[#37]
Sig lost me on proprietary rifle designs after they stopped supporting the 556.
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Posted: 3/19/2022 9:37:14 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, this fits in an AR10 style chassis, not AR15 And they run them at 80,000psi instead of the 50,000 psi. It is a Sig only proposition for now. If I need to reach out and touch something, I already have a short mag. If I ever have to hump all my ammo on my back, I am too old to double the weight. I'll let others be the beta testers and pay the novelty tax. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 9:37:53 AM EDT
[#39]
5.56 vs 7.62
Chuck P shares his qualified opinion on calibers. Most of the end users like more ammo that is lighter weight. Everybody likes the new hotness, until they have to carry it. And once again, small arms are not the big killer on the battlefield...HE is. Want to make our Grunts better? give them portable HE drones that can go fuck up a couple of Smelly goat fuckers manning a PK on a ridge 800 meters away vs, trying to turn every infantryman into Carlos Hathcock. The focus and dollars should be on portable HE systems...Drones, mortars...better grenade launchers. I've watched big Army blow hundreds of millions of dollars over the last 30 years in slight incremental improvements on the issued rifles...  And they all still do pretty much the same thing give or take |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 9:53:41 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Most of the end users like more ammo that is lighter weight. Everybody likes the new hotness, until they have to carry it. And once again, small arms are not the big killer on the battlefield...HE is. Want to make our Grunts better? give them portable HE drones that can go fuck up a couple of Smelly goat fuckers manning a PK on a ridge 800 meters away vs, trying to turn every infantryman into Carlos Hathcock. The focus and dollars should be on portable HE systems...Drones, mortars...better grenade launchers. Yup. For the weight of that stupid thing I could carry around a short barrel AR15 variant with a 40mm that will launch tiny suicide drones. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 10:09:31 AM EDT
[#41]
The MCX stock is OOS everywhere, seemingly forever more. Just try buying parts for them. I own two of those and the SPEAR seems interesting but not enough of a shift to warrant buying it especially with Sig’s legendary short term support of their more recent designs.
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Posted: 3/19/2022 10:15:10 AM EDT
[#42]
Your funeral when the Indian MIM parts break.
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Posted: 3/19/2022 10:15:34 AM EDT
[#43]
While I think Sig makes some excellent and innovative products, they play the market--you like a fiddle. Some folks are jacking off to every thing they put out. The new line of pistols with the comps is the latest line of gun porn. And if you listen to the peddlers, you will die of not carrying them. Gee, look muh split time is .003 faster
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Posted: 3/19/2022 10:22:02 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryTell that to the US Army, they seem to think there is an imperative issue that needs to be addressed. Quote HistoryQuoted: My AR's work fine . Expensive solution in search of a problem. Tell that to the US Army, they seem to think there is an imperative issue that needs to be addressed. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 10:24:24 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Defeat Modern Russian Body Armor. Half the Russian troops I've seen on video in ukraine don't even have armor. Some of them are still issued Mosin Nagants. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 10:26:02 AM EDT
[#46]
The US provides 716I Retread’s to India. India builds spear parts and sends them to the US. Poor trade…
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Posted: 3/19/2022 10:27:57 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sig lost me on proprietary rifle designs after they stopped supporting the 556. This. 100% |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 10:48:54 AM EDT
[#48]
Unless it will also make an excellent cup of coffee, it's to pricey for me.
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Posted: 3/19/2022 10:51:08 AM EDT
[#49]
Pic of Tay-Tay in the safe…..
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Posted: 3/19/2022 11:33:40 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryVery cool but a little out of my price range 
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