That would be shariah.

Thats one of the reasons the taliban exists,

They were "anti boy rape"

One can only imagine what a country literally swimming in billions of US armaments will do if things really start going south because of that.

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@Riter

Absolutely.  

They will either ship the final product, Fentanyl or an analog (Carfentanyl is 100 times more potent than Fentanyl), or ship the last two precursors and the cartel chemists complete the last step.

When manufacturing a chemical, you have a choice of how far back you will start, and this will determine what chemicals you need to acquire to get there.  The DEA will watch precursor chemicals to make it harder for you to manufacture, so you have to start further back to make precursors chemicals yourself, even having to make precursor, precursors.

For Fentanyl, there are four main manufacturing methods.  An example of one of them is below:

Fentanyl, 1-phenethyl-4-N-propinoylanilinopiperidine  

1) The synthesis of fentanyl is accomplished beginning with 1-benzylpiperidin-4-one (3.1.48), which is condensed with aniline to form the corresponding Schiff base (3.1.59).

2) The double bond in this product is reduced by lithium aluminum hydride,

3) and the resulting 1-benzyl-4-anilinopiperidine (3.1.60) is acylated using propionic acid anhydride.

3) The resulting 1-benzyl-4-N-propinoylanilinopiperidine (3.1.61) undergoes debenzylation using hydrogen and a palladium on carbon catalyst, to give 4-N-propanoylanilinopiperidine (3.1.62),

4) which is N-alkylated by 2-phenylethylchloride, to give fentanyl (3.1.63) [39,40].



You are already starting off with some more complex chemicals that may be watched by authorities.

You will need to purify the product after each step.  This is an advanced organic synthesis.  I have a degree in chemistry, and in my senior year this would have been possible but definitely a challenge, and I would have needed all the precursor chemicals already at my disposal, within a well-stocked laboratory.  Also, the final product, Fentanyl, is so potent that you have to be careful not to inhale any of it so you need to work under a negative pressure chemical hood or wear a chemical filter mask.  You would need one of the latter during the manufacture anyway due to the chemicals you would be using.

China is likely giving the last two ingredients for some degree of plausible deniability.  They may even have a deal where they sell them at a steep discount.  The goal of the Chinese government is to corrode U.S. society.  They want to kill as many of our youth as possible.

Contrast this with the manufacture of Methamphetamine.  It’s literally a one-step, maybe two-step process of reducing the hydroxyl group to hydrogen on the pseudoephedrine or ephedrine molecule.



All you need, as an example, is ephedrine or pseudoephedrine, then red phosphorus (the dark striking surface on match boxes) and elemental iodine (you can buy this at several places online or make it easily from Potassium Iodide).  This is why it’s not easy to buy red phosphorus (it’s the much safer allotrope of phosphorus produced by heating white phosphorus in the absence of air), and why pseudoephedrine is now behind the counter at pharmacies.  They’ve also added chemicals that make it difficult to separate pseudoephedrine from the rest of the ingredients in tablets in the U.S.

So the Chinese government sells pseudoephedrine by the ton to the Mexican drug cartels and they in turn manufacture Methamphetamine by the ton.  It’s far, far easier to make than Fentanyl.  This is why Methamphetamine manufacture went south of the border.

@110

The FBI/BATFE doesn’t have the bandwidth to go after both American gun owners/traditional conservatives and the drug cartels.

That was a founding myth.

The Taliban exists because the ISI made them.

Their medieval mindset identified the problem and implemented a fix.

And human trafficking, since the two dovetail so elegantly.

No worries, China will pick up the slack with fentanyl.

What is called medieval can also be called effective.

That's the Celebrity Death Match we all want to see.

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Well yeah. It was written by literally feds.

Isn't importing opiates into China like bringing sand to the beach?

China is good at business.  Google says that fentanyl is 50x as strong as opium.  Seems like it would be much cheaper to ship.  Cut opium supply to the world market should drive up the fentanyl market.  Win/Win for China.

I don't think opium is difficult to produce, but milking a flower is probably pretty damn labor intensive.  Imagine milking flowers - about 25k flowers per acre.  Each flower might need to be milked 5 times.  

News article math is rarely correct, but an article mentioned 438,000 acres of poppies, yielding 650 tons of opium.  That would be 3lbs of opium per acre (which does not require all that much processing), another mentioned that converting would yield about 10% raw heroin.  So 100k flower milkings would net your .3lbs of raw heroin - that would still need processing before retail sale.  Seems pretty labor intensive, but worth about $20k (at $15 per .1gram).  Of course my math could be fucked, or the articles wrong.  Given the amount of processing, the markups, etc - that poor farmer is not making shit.  One article mentioned that the day laborers who do the harvest can make $10/day.  You have to find truly special places to get labor rates like that.

Places like Helmand Province, the Golden Triangle or rural Mexico.

Ah yes, we should support the global illegal drug trade because some illiterate farmers who think we're the Russians may be upset.

Move into fentanyl and increase interests in cocaine. I wouldn't be surprised if there's suddenly a crack resurgence.

Exactly my point

Chinese fentanyl smuggled across the southern border will make up for any supply shortages

Funny how effectively punishing people for breaking the law prevents them from breaking the law again

Taliban.

The 'Founding Fathers' exist because the French made them.

The Russian Communist Party existed because the Germans made them.

See? Just because something was 'made' (ie given financial and material backing) by an external player doesn't mean that the thing can't become its own independently operating thing.

Fuck Asscrackistan!

'white pipe' (methaqualone/quaaludes) is popular in south africa. the chinese where providing the south africans with N-acetylanthranilic acid an immediate precursor. at one point it was banned world wide. so the chyneze have a long history of providing drug precursors.

The taliban are only doing the jobs the US government doesn't want to do

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Yep.  Druggies are gonna be druggies.

Obviously the Government is getting(moving) their Opium from somewhere else, now.

Afaik, most are using fentanyl.

Way cheaper than heroin.

Heroin is bougie

Reeeeee, the douchecanoes in DC and their handlers aren’t making money off of the poppy fields anymore. Waah. Fuck that sun-blasted shithole.

So big Pharma and the CIA cartel will have us back in two years or so tops eh?
At least we have a bunch of equipment pre staged this time.

I think you're making it more complex than necessary.  I watched a documentary about a high school chem teacher making drugs under a commercial laundry near Albuquerque.   Fried chicken is an important part but I forget why that is.

What country was the first in negotiations with them when we pulled out? China.

Who is the biggest distributor of fentanyl in the world? China.

So, China made a deal with the Taliban to stop production of poppies so they could sell more drugs to the US.

I bet if you followed the money China is paying them something to stop the production.

I may be wrong, but I doubt it.

Invading China to sell opium... feeling a little deja vu here...

You do know he's a medical doctor that studied this shit right?

@TNC

That’s the problem with trying to replace the opium poppy:  It’s both a cash crop and a food crop.  One reason the pods are lanced to allow the opium/latex to ooze out, is that it preserves the pod for the seeds.

Opium poppy plants have a deep taproot so they can survive on much less water than, say, corn, which has a shallow root system.  It also doesn’t need as much fertilizer; the U.S. tried to give Afghan farmers ammonium nitrate which they ended up using in improvised explosives!  There is also no infrastructure for producing ammonium nitrate like we have in the U.S. even if they wanted to switch crops.

I’m not surprised!

@zukguy

I think he’s referring to Breaking Bad.  I’m embarrassed though to say I haven’t watched the show.

You're probably correct doc, I have to admit to watching one episode and not liking it.

I can be a bit protective of people I respect lol.

@C-4

That's an awful lot like the Comanche vs Samurai threads from back in the day.

The Comanche/Taliban can't take their show on the road but are really hard to beat on their own turf.

@zukguy

China should be happy.  They may have even supported/encouraged these actions.