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Posted: 3/1/2021 3:35:46 PM EDT
I am glad to see that the collaboration between our countries about military industry and military technology keeps being one of the strongest in the world. After we adopted the F35 fighter (which we are now producing in Italy, i think under license), last april the US navy confirmed it will buy a variant of the italian FREMM frigate, produced by Fincantieri.
As i understood we are talking about a 5,6 billion contact. This will help my country in these dark times and i am sure the new frigates will serve the US navy well. As a sidenote, i think the frigates will sport also OTO-Melara 76 mm automatic cannons: with guided projectiles and 120 rpm they are real beasts. Now we should buy some A-10's and you should buy some Centauro II's or Freccia's.  Newsflash: US Navy will buy up to $5.6 billion worth of Italian frigates (and will make them uglier) |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 3:39:45 PM EDT
[#1]
congrats
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Posted: 3/1/2021 3:42:10 PM EDT
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Are they going to be built in Italian yards or licensed to American yards?
There is a yard up in the Great Lakes that is owned by an Italian company. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 3:42:58 PM EDT
[#3]
And please also export some of your hot womenz
 and I don't mean the Jersey Shore type
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Posted: 3/1/2021 3:46:15 PM EDT
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Float It Again Tony
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Posted: 3/1/2021 3:46:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And please also export some of your hot womenz and I don't mean the Jersey Shore type Been to Italy.  No such thing |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 3:47:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are they going to be built in Italian yards or licensed to American yards? There is a yard up in the Great Lakes that is owned by an Italian company. Several. Fincantieri Marine Group builds one of the LCS variants in Marinette, Wisconsin Across the bay in Sturgeon Bay is another FMG owned yard. They had a facility in Green Bay that built Coast Guard aluminum boats last I knew. ETA: looks like the new frigate will be built in Marinette as well. https://www.maritime-executive.com/corporate/fincantieri-marinette-marine-welcomes-l3harris-to-frigate-team |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 3:51:04 PM EDT
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Didn't this happen a year ago?
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Posted: 3/1/2021 3:53:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And please also export some of your hot womenz and I don't mean the Jersey Shore type Sorry my friend. You can have all the weapons, Cars, fashionable clothes and tasty food you want but not the women.. for them you have to come living here ?? 
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Posted: 3/1/2021 3:54:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't this happen a year ago? More or less. I just discovered It because our news are full of pandemic shit all the time |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 3:55:09 PM EDT
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They should have gone with the Dutch Absalon-class ships.
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Posted: 3/1/2021 3:56:09 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: More or less. I just discovered It because our news are full of pandemic shit all the time Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Didn't this happen a year ago? More or less. I just discovered It because our news are full of pandemic shit all the time |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 3:56:11 PM EDT
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I'm waiting for NAVSEA to weigh in with thousands of "required" design changes which will add tens of billions to the cost and years to the schedule.
For NAVSEA to accept the Italian frigates without "customization", would mean NAVSEA isn't needed and could be de-funded. This is something a swamp full of .gov bureaucrats will never allow. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 3:56:56 PM EDT
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After reading all the problems with the LPD San Antonio, maybe we should let someone else take a crack at it.
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:00:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm waiting for NAVSEA to weigh in with thousands of required design changes which will add tens of billions to the cost and years to the schedule. For NAVSEA to accept the Italian frigates without "customization", would mean NAVSEA isn't needed and could be de-funded. This is something a swamp full of .gov bureaucrats will never allow. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:01:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are they going to be built in Italian yards or licensed to American yards? There is a yard up in the Great Lakes that is owned by an Italian company. That's the yard where they will be built - Fincantieri Marinette Marine. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:02:07 PM EDT
[#16]
Well, like Italy's tanks, I hope they have backup lights.
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:02:08 PM EDT
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IIRC they are going with 57mm main gun instead of the 76 since the gun's primary purpose will be anti air/drone/missile. Antiship capability will be various missiles.
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:03:40 PM EDT
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120 RPM on a 76mm?! Damn that's pretty good firepower.
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:06:10 PM EDT
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Ok so we will have the Guido Navy ships? Nice..
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:06:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They should have gone with the Dutch Absalon-class ships. The swamp Germans design a good ship. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:10:03 PM EDT
[#21]
Made us a offer we couldn't refuse.
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:11:16 PM EDT
[#22]
Sexy boats.
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:15:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: After reading all the problems with the LPD San Antonio, maybe we should let someone else take a crack at it. I could go raid Bass Pro Shops and probably give an option nearly as useful. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:19:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And please also export some of your hot womenz and I don't mean the Jersey Shore type Do you know what happens to hawt Italian wimmin as they age ??? 
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:20:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 120 RPM on a 76mm?! Damn that's pretty good firepower. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:22:22 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They should have gone with the Dutch Absalon-class ships. I think buying good proven foreign designs is a fantastic idea for the Navy. It sure beats the snafu we have been mucking around with the Ford, Spruance, and the LCS. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:22:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you know what happens to hawt Italian wimmin as they age ??? Maybe you are referring to italian-americans.. 
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:23:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They should have gone with the Dutch Absalon-class ships. Not since DeRuyter has the Dutch Navy been very good. Look at Doorman during ABDA in the Pacific. . Now, Regia Marina de Roma knew how to crew their ships: Ben-Hur (1959) - Rowing of the Galley Slaves HD |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:26:08 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They should have gone with the Dutch Absalon-class ships. I mean, just for the name. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:26:20 PM EDT
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I can't see why the ONLY super power Navy would be using ships designed by what only be described as the naval equivalent of bench warmers.
There is nothing other navies do better than we do , pretty sure that has been proven continually since WWII . The British at this point do not rule the seas and have not in 80 plus years. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:29:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Out of production, goofy design compromises for multi mission flex deck. Maersk only built two. I think buying good proven foreign designs is a fantastic idea for the Navy. It sure beats the snafu we have been mucking around with the Ford, Spruance, and the LCS. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They should have gone with the Dutch Absalon-class ships. I think buying good proven foreign designs is a fantastic idea for the Navy. It sure beats the snafu we have been mucking around with the Ford, Spruance, and the LCS. Maersk only built two because they all the Danish navy wanted. They didn’t stop production because of some serious problem, but just because the navy is so underfunded (and tiny) that was all they got. You are absolutely correct that it’s not a “pure” frigate design - but I think the flexibility and modularity of the design is exactly the kind of thing that he US Navy claims they want. Of course, with the budgets of the US Navy, that kind of flexibility may ultimately be unecessary, and it probably makes sense to go with a more pure design. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:29:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They should have gone with the Dutch Absalon-class ships. I know who you’re thinking of
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:29:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I mean, just for the name. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They should have gone with the Dutch Absalon-class ships. I mean, just for the name. Absalon was a bad-ass.  |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:29:59 PM EDT
[#34]
Good.
The italian frigates are sweet ships. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:31:01 PM EDT
[#35]
Are they gonna have poppers, cheese sticks, and pizza night EVERY NIGHT?
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:31:02 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't see why the ONLY super power Navy would be using ships designed by what only be described as the naval equivalent of bench warmers. There is nothing other navies do better than we do , pretty sure that has been proven continually since WWII . The British at this point do not rule the seas and have not in 80 plus years. Apparently other navies design good vessels at affordable prices better than we do. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:32:03 PM EDT
[#37]
Oh yay, just what our military needs. More globalization. Don't want to use American workers to make American ships in American dockyards. Nope. Gotta use third worlders and sub par materials in foreign yards on a foreign design. Disgusting.
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:32:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Apparently other navies design good vessels at affordable prices better than we do. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I can't see why the ONLY super power Navy would be using ships designed by what only be described as the naval equivalent of bench warmers. There is nothing other navies do better than we do , pretty sure that has been proven continually since WWII . The British at this point do not rule the seas and have not in 80 plus years. Apparently other navies design good vessels at affordable prices better than we do. It’s because they need to. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:33:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Apparently other navies design good vessels at affordable prices better than we do. OK if you say so....  ... That is why we are so far behind all the other "naval powers"  I do not like our military relying on foreign countries for our equipment needs. Everything we field should be designed here and made here . |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:34:08 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't see why the ONLY super power Navy would be using ships designed by what only be described as the naval equivalent of bench warmers. There is nothing other navies do better than we do , pretty sure that has been proven continually since WWII . The British at this point do not rule the seas and have not in 80 plus years. The newest non-carrier surface vessel procured by the US Navy is the LCS classes, and one of those is a dysfunctional piece of Lockheed shit. So for non-carrier surface combatants, the Italians designs are far superior to anything adopted by the US navy lately. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:34:57 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't see why the ONLY super power Navy would be using ships designed by what only be described as the naval equivalent of bench warmers. There is nothing other navies do better than we do , pretty sure that has been proven continually since WWII . The British at this point do not rule the seas and have not in 80 plus years. These bench warmers build excellent warships since the first punic war straight to the Maritime Republics
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:35:38 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh yay, just what our military needs. More globalization. Don't want to use American workers to make American ships in American dockyards. Nope. Gotta use third worlders and sub par materials in foreign yards on a foreign design. Disgusting. It’s being built in Wisconsin. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:36:21 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are they gonna have poppers, cheese sticks, and pizza night EVERY NIGHT? And ropes are made of spaghetti |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:37:06 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OK if you say so.... ... That is why we are so far behind all the other "naval powers" I do not like our military relying on foreign countries for our equipment needs. Everything we field should be designed here and made here . The Constellation class are being built in the US, by US dock workers, using a design that already exists. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:37:39 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh yay, just what our military needs. More globalization. Don't want to use American workers to make American ships in American dockyards. Nope. Gotta use third worlders and sub par materials in foreign yards on a foreign design. Disgusting. Ships Will be built in the US as far as i understood. And Europe is not third world by the way for now |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:38:29 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s being built in Wisconsin. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oh yay, just what our military needs. More globalization. Don't want to use American workers to make American ships in American dockyards. Nope. Gotta use third worlders and sub par materials in foreign yards on a foreign design. Disgusting. It’s being built in Wisconsin. That looks like a troll account. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:40:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh yay, just what our military needs. More globalization. Don't want to use American workers to make American ships in American dockyards. Nope. Gotta use third worlders and sub par materials in foreign yards on a foreign design. Disgusting. Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh yay, just what our military needs. More globalization. Don't want to use American workers to make American ships in American dockyards. Nope. Gotta use third worlders and sub par materials in foreign yards on a foreign design. Disgusting. Italy isn’t a third world nation. Don’t be absurd. Quoted: It’s because they need to. Ironically, so do we. Quoted: OK if you say so.... ... That is why we are so far behind all the other "naval powers" I do not like our military relying on foreign countries for our equipment needs. Everything we field should be designed here and made here . I think everyone would prefer it but US industry has struggled to pull its head from its ass and make what needs to be made. The Euros are pushing their shit in on many weapons systems. They need to get it together. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:41:39 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Been to Italy. No such thing Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And please also export some of your hot womenz and I don't mean the Jersey Shore type Been to Italy. No such thing Monica Bellucci disagrees |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:42:17 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't see why the ONLY super power Navy would be using ships designed by what only be described as the naval equivalent of bench warmers. There is nothing other navies do better than we do , pretty sure that has been proven continually since WWII . The British at this point do not rule the seas and have not in 80 plus years. You Are  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 4:43:01 PM EDT
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Italy is the opposite of the US. The hotties are in the suburbs. They can’t afford to live where the tourists live, because they aren’t old.
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