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Posted: 8/7/2020 12:40:39 PM EST
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I got the armorer's kit and had to source barrels for it since they didn't come with the kit. I stalked the Czechpoint website for 1 1/2 years waiting for the 5 barrels I needed to come in.
 Thread: https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/VZ_61_and_CZ_52_Armorer_s_Kits_Pictures/2-449494/  
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Posted: 8/7/2020 12:51:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The VZ61 is cool. The CZ 75 is better. But this...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMPKywiuQtQIs the coolest gun the Czechs ever made. Man that thing could have harassed the fuck out of the Nazis, lol. A 38lb rifle that can punch 30mm armored vehicles. But fuck, that is the most overbore round I've ever seen. Have it chambered in 338 Norma Magnum, put a sealed 4-chamber brake/integral moderator at the end, put an offset pic rail on the left side of the barrel, cut some MLOK into the chassis, and cut the breech tolerances such that the barrel is lifted off the chassis rollers when in battery (if it isn't already), finish the bore in nitride, chrome or Stellite (or something new & fancy), Then have it cleaned & brought to my bedroom. I want that gun and a Toz-81 hogleg for my Fallout rig 
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Posted: 8/7/2020 12:52:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have to admit I would like to have one Just not super high on my list During the 2008/2009 panic I bought a lot of vz61 mags without owning the gun and have sat on them until now. I finally jumped and bought a Czechpoint Skorpian when they went back in stock. Surprisingly the price only increased by $100 after all these years. My form 1 is now processing.  I will admit though, that semi is not as fun as FA. My old SOT had a presample factory FA skorpian and that thing was a hoot to shoot! He told me that some of the Czechs prefer to use their offhand to hold the stock against their forearm instead of shouldering the stock during FA fire. Seems practical...
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Posted: 8/7/2020 12:55:53 PM EST
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I know nothing about them except they have a cool com-block look.
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Posted: 8/7/2020 12:56:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I got the armorer's kit and had to source barrels for it since they didn't come with the kit. I stalked the Czechpoint website for 1 1/2 years waiting for the 5 barrels I needed to come in. Thread: https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/VZ_61_and_CZ_52_Armorer_s_Kits_Pictures/2-449494/ http://i.imgur.com/u7LUrTX.jpg http://i.imgur.com/uljjTBc.jpg *heavy breathing* Kharn |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 12:57:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is your least tarded thread. Feel good about being right OP. |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 12:57:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I got the armorer's kit and had to source barrels for it since they didn't come with the kit. I stalked the Czechpoint website for 1 1/2 years waiting for the 5 barrels I needed to come in. Thread: https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/VZ_61_and_CZ_52_Armorer_s_Kits_Pictures/2-449494/ http://i.imgur.com/u7LUrTX.jpg http://i.imgur.com/uljjTBc.jpg That's awesome. If the vz. 61 is arguably the coolest gun the Czechs made, the vz. 52 pistol is arguably the crappiest. |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 1:02:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm surprised no one is making replacement barrels for them, given how it's just pinned in and the kits imported now have no barrel. Kharn Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Very funny little toys, especially with a brace, too bad .32acp is pricy. I wish .380 or 9x18 surplus kits were available. I did snag one of the .22lr conversion kits that were for sale a week or two ago, I'll build that into a dedicated pistol. Kharn The worst part about the other calibers is the mag cost. If you have decent tools available the caliber change is easy. Turn and chamber a new barrel and install it - other than minor work to the bolt and extractor it's identical. I'm surprised no one is making replacement barrels for them, given how it's just pinned in and the kits imported now have no barrel. Kharn You mean given they don't come with muzzle threads. They are stupid cool when suppressed. |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 1:04:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Honestly the only part of that design I love are the push-through belts. I sold my Vz.59 (semi auto from MarColMar) but I kept almost all of the belts and cans. I'll eventually make some hybrid design that uses them. With the Vz.61 I love the whole design! Quote HistoryQuoted: Honestly the only part of that design I love are the push-through belts. I sold my Vz.59 (semi auto from MarColMar) but I kept almost all of the belts and cans. I'll eventually make some hybrid design that uses them. With the Vz.61 I love the whole design! Fuck that heresy; it's a belt fed lightweight BREN. there's nothing gooder than that. Well, maybe its daddy; 
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Posted: 8/7/2020 1:13:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's awesome. If the vz. 61 is arguably the coolest gun the Czechs made, the vz. 52 pistol is arguably the crappiest. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I got the armorer's kit and had to source barrels for it since they didn't come with the kit. I stalked the Czechpoint website for 1 1/2 years waiting for the 5 barrels I needed to come in. Thread: https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/VZ_61_and_CZ_52_Armorer_s_Kits_Pictures/2-449494/ http://i.imgur.com/u7LUrTX.jpg http://i.imgur.com/uljjTBc.jpg That's awesome. If the vz. 61 is arguably the coolest gun the Czechs made, the vz. 52 pistol is arguably the crappiest. Too true, and I love the Vz 52 pistol. Looks cool, but a total mess of metallurgy problems and shit trigger design. A rare cluster fuckup, and I assume because of Soviet meddling. Believe it or not, an Italian company made a high-end 9mm clone, for some reason. 
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Posted: 8/7/2020 1:15:52 PM EST
[#11]
Knew this was a VZ61 thread from the title.
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Posted: 8/7/2020 1:16:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: *heavy breathing* Kharn Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I got the armorer's kit and had to source barrels for it since they didn't come with the kit. I stalked the Czechpoint website for 1 1/2 years waiting for the 5 barrels I needed to come in. Thread: https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/VZ_61_and_CZ_52_Armorer_s_Kits_Pictures/2-449494/ http://i.imgur.com/u7LUrTX.jpg http://i.imgur.com/uljjTBc.jpg *heavy breathing* Kharn APEX is where I bought it. Trust me, it didn't take me long to decide to buy it. IIRC, it was $375. I have 2 of the CZ-52 armorer's kits. |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 1:21:20 PM EST
[#13]
IMO the Czechs have some of the best firearms designs.
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Posted: 8/7/2020 1:38:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Too true, and I love the Vz 52 pistol. Looks cool, but a total mess of metallurgy problems and shit trigger design. A rare cluster fuckup, and I assume because of Soviet meddling. Believe it or not, an Italian company made a high-end 9mm clone, for some reason. https://i.imgur.com/Dwlt838l.jpg Holy crap! That looks awesome. Looks like some did get imported, too. Yeah, the vz. 52 suffers from a myriad of problems. Pity, because it looks like a B-movie laser pistol. |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 1:46:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Leave the gun take the kolache.
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Posted: 8/7/2020 1:47:00 PM EST
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Posted: 8/7/2020 2:05:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One has to wonder why it was made in .32 acp however. Common police caliber back when it was made. You can now buy them in 9mm Makarov and 380acp |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 2:24:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Very funny little toys, especially with a brace, too bad .32acp is pricy. I wish .380 or 9x18 surplus kits were available. I did snag one of the .22lr conversion kits that were for sale a week or two ago, I'll build that into a dedicated pistol. Kharn This moment, .32 ACP is cheaper than .380 and easier to get. During normal times, Fiocchi is priced pretty reasonable, when available. |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 2:30:14 PM EST
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Posted: 8/7/2020 2:38:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy crap! That looks awesome. Looks like some did get imported, too. Yeah, the vz. 52 suffers from a myriad of problems. Pity, because it looks like a B-movie laser pistol. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Too true, and I love the Vz 52 pistol. Looks cool, but a total mess of metallurgy problems and shit trigger design. A rare cluster fuckup, and I assume because of Soviet meddling. Believe it or not, an Italian company made a high-end 9mm clone, for some reason. https://i.imgur.com/Dwlt838l.jpg Holy crap! That looks awesome. Looks like some did get imported, too. Yeah, the vz. 52 suffers from a myriad of problems. Pity, because it looks like a B-movie laser pistol. There's one on Gun Broker, I think (it's called the Delta AR..?) What's funny is my CZ looks just like that; it was my first Bubba project, and I polished & blued it. EVERY. FUCKING. PART is a different color after bluing. Ridiculous number of unique metal specs in that gun. |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 2:39:16 PM EST
[#21]
My favorite Czech gun is the CZ 82
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Posted: 8/7/2020 2:41:20 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My favorite Czech gun is the CZ 82 It's one of their better ones, actually - perhaps the best of the 9x18 Makarov types. Mine was one of the first handguns I ever bought. |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 2:42:13 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My favorite Czech gun is the CZ 82 When someone says the round has poor penetration, reply; "I bet your eyes are as gooey as the next guy's." |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 2:51:35 PM EST
[#24]
Pretty much everything the Czechs do outside of the vz.52 pistol is pretty awesome.
I've always liked the lines of the 61, just never jumped into them. The vz.58 rifle setup with the sidefolder and the funky original "wood-impregnated plastic" handguards is dead sexy. Missed the boat on those when mags were dirt cheap. The vz.52/57 LMG is pretty sweet after looking that up. Basically a Bren for 7.62x39. Using the pistol as the charging handle is pretty wild. I like their modern steel/alloy-framed handguns in the 75 and derivatives, and the 805 Bren is pretty awesome. Not a fan of their polymer metoo striker pistols and I'm on the fence with the Bren 2 given the high price and flaky availability. |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 2:53:38 PM EST
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Posted: 8/7/2020 4:23:01 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck that heresy; it's a belt fed lightweight BREN. there's nothing gooder than that. Well, maybe its daddy; https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1524/1342/products/on2567__1.jpg?v=1571454033 I built a Zb37 as well. That one I kept! I just didn't really like the 59. It didn't click with me - not as a semi-auto. |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 5:14:55 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck that heresy; it's a belt fed lightweight BREN. there's nothing gooder than that. Well, maybe its daddy; https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1524/1342/products/on2567__1.jpg?v=1571454033 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Honestly the only part of that design I love are the push-through belts. I sold my Vz.59 (semi auto from MarColMar) but I kept almost all of the belts and cans. I'll eventually make some hybrid design that uses them. With the Vz.61 I love the whole design! Fuck that heresy; it's a belt fed lightweight BREN. there's nothing gooder than that. Well, maybe its daddy; https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1524/1342/products/on2567__1.jpg?v=1571454033 Daddy? Nah - you're on the wrong generation - look for the son of the Bren - the British designed .280 Taden The re-worked WW2 Bren which became the 7.62 NATO chambered L4 is also a design worthy of some praise - even though the .280 was a better ballistic option Fucking Aberdeen Proving Ground jive ass muddefunsters killing off a better design so they could go with the 7.62 (due to on-hand machinery & parts/spares, etc from the Garand) |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 5:16:32 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Daddy? Nah - you're on the wrong generation - look for the son of the Bren - the British designed .280 Taden The re-worked WW2 Bren which became the 7.62 NATO chambered L4 is also a design worthy of some praise - even though the .280 was a better ballistic option Fucking Aberdeen Proving Ground jive ass muddefunsters killing off a better design so they could go with the 7.62 (due to on-hand machinery & parts/spares, etc from the Garand) Killing the EM-2 was criminal. |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 6:47:01 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's awesome. If the vz. 61 is arguably the coolest gun the Czechs made, the vz. 52 pistol is arguably the crappiest.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 6:53:25 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistorySeriously, what did they design that was worse? There's a reason the vz .52 is about the only roller-locked pistol ever made, and their metallurgy is absolute shit. |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 6:58:31 PM EST
[#31]
OP is correct.
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Posted: 8/7/2020 7:00:28 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: we should have fought Russia over Czechoslovakia at the end of ww2 they were worth it. Churchill wanted to invade Yugoslavia liberate Eastern Europe. He knew that after Potsdam he had no say and that Stalin would hold Eastern Europe. Poor Poland and Czechoslovakia (and Finland). |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 7:39:23 PM EST
[#33]
Ha! I just shot mine (SBR) today for the first time in maybe 10 years. It's silly but fun. Full auto is a blast. I lived in Prague for a few years and shot the real deal a couple times.
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Posted: 8/7/2020 8:02:30 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty much everything the Czechs do outside of the vz.52 pistol is pretty awesome. I've always liked the lines of the 61, just never jumped into them. The vz.58 rifle setup with the sidefolder and the funky original "wood-impregnated plastic" handguards is dead sexy. Missed the boat on those when mags were dirt cheap. The vz.52/57 LMG is pretty sweet after looking that up. Basically a Bren for 7.62x39. Using the pistol as the charging handle is pretty wild. I like their modern steel/alloy-framed handguns in the 75 and derivatives, and the 805 Bren is pretty awesome. Not a fan of their polymer metoo striker pistols and I'm on the fence with the Bren 2 given the high price and flaky availability. There's gotta be a good story about why the VZ52 handgun was so crappy. I'm guessing politburo carpet baggers were brought in as management or some shit. The reason Czechs made their own gun patterns, was because the Soviets would only sell them complete guns or ridiculously expensive manufacturing 'licenses' (how capitalist of them), and the Czechs knew they were already fully capable of supplying their own R & D (plus a lingering nationalistic pride regarding arms development that even the Soviets respected, no doubt). The VZ58 kicks ass; I'm so glad I sprung for one over an AK when I was first getting into guns, I was able to avoid nearly that whole wasted period of the typical gun nuts' life & fortune. I'm currently creating a VintoreZ58 in 9x39 with a 5" barrel and gargantuan silencer The Vz52/57 has a BREN's receiver layout (box-profile with rails, a low-set piston, bottom ejection through hollow op-rod, QC barrel in a socket lactched by an interrupted thread nut) but its bolt design directly inspired the VZ58. The VZ52 sorta had a similar locking system with recess at the front and an SKS-ish tilting bolt, but the execution was way more convoluted, not to mention the tubular gas piston. |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 8:07:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryFirst I've heard that gun had an aluminum barrel jacket. Christ that must have been expensive. The ZH29 wasn't cool itself so much as it showed a clear path to an incredibly cool idea, the automatic rifle. Everyone else was trying to incrementally-downsize MMGs and LMGs to be more single-man friendly, and that gun was a clean sheet that immediately offered a bolt-rifle-sized automatically repeating rifle, that actually worked (safely). The Mondragon did this first, but even it wasn't quite as elegant. |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 8:11:32 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Daddy? Nah - you're on the wrong generation - look for the son of the Bren - the British designed .280 Taden The re-worked WW2 Bren which became the 7.62 NATO chambered L4 is also a design worthy of some praise - even though the .280 was a better ballistic option Fucking Aberdeen Proving Ground jive ass muddefunsters killing off a better design so they could go with the 7.62 (due to on-hand machinery & parts/spares, etc from the Garand) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Honestly the only part of that design I love are the push-through belts. I sold my Vz.59 (semi auto from MarColMar) but I kept almost all of the belts and cans. I'll eventually make some hybrid design that uses them. With the Vz.61 I love the whole design! Fuck that heresy; it's a belt fed lightweight BREN. there's nothing gooder than that. Well, maybe its daddy; https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1524/1342/products/on2567__1.jpg?v=1571454033 Daddy? Nah - you're on the wrong generation - look for the son of the Bren - the British designed .280 Taden The re-worked WW2 Bren which became the 7.62 NATO chambered L4 is also a design worthy of some praise - even though the .280 was a better ballistic option Fucking Aberdeen Proving Ground jive ass muddefunsters killing off a better design so they could go with the 7.62 (due to on-hand machinery & parts/spares, etc from the Garand) Well, the Brits sure managed to make that Taden gun as ugly as every other design they sank their teeth into Gun looks Japanese to me; 
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Posted: 8/7/2020 8:12:37 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seriously, what did they design that was worse? There's a reason the vz .52 is about the only roller-locked pistol ever made, and their metallurgy is absolute shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Seriously, what did they design that was worse? There's a reason the vz .52 is about the only roller-locked pistol ever made, and their metallurgy is absolute shit. To be fair, the gun did look cool; that slide is like a Soviet train engine (it might split down the side & blow up like one, too )
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Posted: 8/7/2020 8:35:43 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @Fat_McNasty Post up some pics... this? my daughters gun.. 
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Posted: 8/7/2020 8:41:14 PM EST
[#39]
I clicked on this thinking it better be a VZ 61 and it was!
 I was supposed to get to shoot a friends full auto one at Knob Creek this spring but it got cancelled Now I have a case of 32 ACP which is like a life time supply. I need to break my semi out I guess. |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 8:43:47 PM EST
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Posted: 8/7/2020 8:49:27 PM EST
[#41]
These are the guns that make me hate our laws the most. One of these as a little machine gun would be so fun. I wouldn't mind a 380 sbr but I am surprised that nobody ever stepped it up to 9x19. That would be awesome.
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Posted: 8/7/2020 8:53:14 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: all y'all got it wrong! This is THE one! https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/120021/20200723_195101_jpg-1536667.JPG I lost 5 lbs vomiting |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 9:08:34 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: this? my daughters gun.. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/14562/DSCN0213_JPG-1341133.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @Fat_McNasty Post up some pics... this? my daughters gun.. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/14562/DSCN0213_JPG-1341133.jpg Yes...beautiful
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Posted: 8/7/2020 9:16:25 PM EST
[#44]
 CZ 700. I bought one in 2009 and sold it off to my uncle in 2014. |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 9:26:16 PM EST
[#45]
My VZ61 SBR is so damn fun to shoot. And it’s quiet suppressed. And it’s sexy as hell. Range bunnies *will* flock to you if you bring one.
True story: There I was, at the range. I whipped out my steel and wood Czech masterpiece, and flipped open the folding stock with a single smack of my hand. The redhead girl behind the shop’s counter saw it all, immediately ran onto the firing line, ripped my jeans off, and started furiously sucking my dick. |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 10:01:48 PM EST
[#46]
I want a Klobb
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Posted: 8/7/2020 10:40:20 PM EST
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I’m OK with this.
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Posted: 8/7/2020 10:46:30 PM EST
[#48]
If the CZ fanbois could read, they’d be very upset.
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Posted: 8/8/2020 6:54:50 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I lost 5 lbs vomiting Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: all y'all got it wrong! This is THE one! https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/120021/20200723_195101_jpg-1536667.JPG I lost 5 lbs vomiting See, a gun that helps you look thin and trim will also get you laid! Best gun evar!
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Posted: 8/8/2020 7:37:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: See, a gun that helps you look thin and trim will also get you laid! Best gun evar! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: all y'all got it wrong! This is THE one! https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/120021/20200723_195101_jpg-1536667.JPG I lost 5 lbs vomiting See, a gun that helps you look thin and trim will also get you laid! Best gun evar! I do love the idea and followed your build thread. The red with gold grips though. Still I bet it's hoot at matches |
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