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Posted: 9/18/2023 7:39:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In before Ukraine Done. |
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Posted: 9/18/2023 7:41:43 PM EDT
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Government shut downs are fake, everything keeps running except things they shut down on purpose to upset people.
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Posted: 9/18/2023 8:10:50 PM EDT
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It isn't the government shutting down that concerns them.
It is the fear that the people will see just how much nicer it is when the government ISN'T there. |
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Posted: 9/18/2023 8:45:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shutdown lol over 70% of people are still working in a government shutdown. I've went through three shutdown. First one active duty still working, second one civil service was told only key and essential people will, I was told I wasn't key or essential till the third day and I became key and essential. Same thing for the third shutdown. Government shutdowns happen and people should not get paid if they didn't work. It's part of working for the government. Well, since a law passed in the Trump presidency government employees are guaranteed to be paid after a shutdown. |
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Posted: 9/18/2023 8:52:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Listen, I'm all for limited government, hate the Alphabet boyz, and hate the overspending but the government shut down hurts a lot of us federal employees who actually work. Not all government employees are fat lazy slobs sitting in a cubicle. There are 130,000 thousand of us federal law enforcement officers who will not receive a paycheck and still have to go to work. As FLEO I'm a required to still show up for work but I won't receive a paycheck. I'm a single dad with two sons, who hasn't received a pay raise in 4 years, and I'm expected to still pay my mortgage, bills, student loans, and every day expenses (like gas to get to work) but not get a paycheck. It's scary. I know a lot of you could care less about my situation and tell me to "Stop being poor". If it were that easy, I wouldn't be poor and living paycheck to paycheck. oh noez a fed gets a paid vaca. poor fed. boo hoo |
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Posted: 9/18/2023 8:55:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: oh noez a fed gets a paid vaca. poor fed. boo hoo Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Listen, I'm all for limited government, hate the Alphabet boyz, and hate the overspending but the government shut down hurts a lot of us federal employees who actually work. Not all government employees are fat lazy slobs sitting in a cubicle. There are 130,000 thousand of us federal law enforcement officers who will not receive a paycheck and still have to go to work. As FLEO I'm a required to still show up for work but I won't receive a paycheck. I'm a single dad with two sons, who hasn't received a pay raise in 4 years, and I'm expected to still pay my mortgage, bills, student loans, and every day expenses (like gas to get to work) but not get a paycheck. It's scary. I know a lot of you could care less about my situation and tell me to "Stop being poor". If it were that easy, I wouldn't be poor and living paycheck to paycheck. oh noez a fed gets a paid vaca. poor fed. boo hoo Your reading skills are as good as your writing ones. He said he is an employee that will have to work and be paid later when Congress stops grandstanding, something that would be illegal for a private employer. |
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Posted: 9/18/2023 9:07:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: By shutdown, they mean pay overtime to man unmanned state parks to keep people out. We are on the clown bus. |
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Posted: 9/18/2023 9:08:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the government shuts down, how will we protect the border? You think the government is protecting the border? |
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Posted: 9/18/2023 9:12:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have the Republicans caved yet? couple yaps away I'd wager |
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Posted: 9/18/2023 9:13:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Has anyone noticed that the debt limit crisis' are getting closer, more frequent? heavy can not kicking so well |
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Posted: 9/18/2023 9:23:49 PM EDT
[#11]
Can will get kicked down the road again.
Always does. Forget about a balanced budget amendment. We need a law against CRs. Pass an appropriations budget or shut it down. |
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Posted: 9/18/2023 9:52:05 PM EDT
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The current rate is adding 4 trillion to the debt every year.
This govt is killing the country. |
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Posted: 9/18/2023 10:41:23 PM EDT
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When the government shuts down, they only send non-essential workers home. They are on call to go back to work as soon as the shutdown is over. Usually, it's a call saying to come back to work the next day. What most people don't realize is that they get back pay for the days they did not work. Pretty much amounts to paid time off. My brother is a retired federal employee. He always kept an emergency fund to cover a shutdown.
You can bet the congressmen and senators never miss a check. Fortyseven2n |
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Posted: 9/18/2023 10:58:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Listen, I'm all for limited government, hate the Alphabet boyz, and hate the overspending but the government shut down hurts a lot of us federal employees who actually work. Not all government employees are fat lazy slobs sitting in a cubicle. There are 130,000 thousand of us federal law enforcement officers who will not receive a paycheck and still have to go to work. As FLEO I'm a required to still show up for work but I won't receive a paycheck. I'm a single dad with two sons, who hasn't received a pay raise in 4 years, and I'm expected to still pay my mortgage, bills, student loans, and every day expenses (like gas to get to work) but not get a paycheck. It's scary. I know a lot of you could care less about my situation and tell me to "Stop being poor". If it were that easy, I wouldn't be poor and living paycheck to paycheck. Which agency? |
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Posted: 9/18/2023 10:59:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shut it all the fuck down. All of it Then burn it and salt the earth. |
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Posted: 9/18/2023 11:28:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When the government shuts down, they only send non-essential workers home. They are on call to go back to work as soon as the shutdown is over. Usually, it's a call saying to come back to work the next day. What most people don't realize is that they get back pay for the days they did not work. Pretty much amounts to paid time off. My brother is a retired federal employee. He always kept an emergency fund to cover a shutdown. You can bet the congressmen and senators never miss a check. Fortyseven2n For every past shutdown it was an unknown whether furloughed employees would be back paid. It was stressful since it had always happened but it wasn't assured. They are more of a joke now. |
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Posted: 9/18/2023 11:37:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/18/2023 11:52:16 PM EDT
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If Republicans had both brains and balls thay would refuse to increase the debt limit. Then tell Joe Biden if he does not pay interest on the debt he will be impeached for violating the 14th Amendment. And if he spends money not appropriated he will also be impeached.
Then pass law repealing ALL cost of living increases in federal pay, pensions, and any contracts with vendors with inflation escalator clauses until there are at least 3 consecutive years of a balanced budget actually in the can. Make Joetato have to allocate money as he sees fit to spend the tax revenues but not a penny more. Watch him and the democrats justify their spending however they may. This would make Biden declare his budget priorities and having to stand by him. It would create a constituency for balanced budgets. They should go in 24/7 ad blitz explaining that if the budget were balanced, interest rates could be 2%, not 8, 10, or 12%. It would be great. |
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Posted: 9/19/2023 2:39:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If Republicans had both brains and balls thay would refuse to increase the debt limit. Then tell Joe Biden if he does not pay interest on the debt he will be impeached for violating the 14th Amendment. And if he spends money not appropriated he will also be impeached. Then pass law repealing ALL cost of living increases in federal pay, pensions, and any contracts with vendors with inflation escalator clauses until there are at least 3 consecutive years of a balanced budget actually in the can. Make Joetato have to allocate money as he sees fit to spend the tax revenues but not a penny more. Watch him and the democrats justify their spending however they may. This would make Biden declare his budget priorities and having to stand by him. It would create a constituency for balanced budgets. They should go in 24/7 ad blitz explaining that if the budget were balanced, interest rates could be 2%, not 8, 10, or 12%. It would be great. The problem with that idea is of those republicans, you can count on one hand those with the credibility to be able to pull that off. The rest of them happily voted to get us where we’re at today. |
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Posted: 9/19/2023 2:50:57 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/19/2023 7:29:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, since a law passed in the Trump presidency government employees are guaranteed to be paid after a shutdown. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Shutdown lol over 70% of people are still working in a government shutdown. I've went through three shutdown. First one active duty still working, second one civil service was told only key and essential people will, I was told I wasn't key or essential till the third day and I became key and essential. Same thing for the third shutdown. Government shutdowns happen and people should not get paid if they didn't work. It's part of working for the government. Well, since a law passed in the Trump presidency government employees are guaranteed to be paid after a shutdown. A quote comes to mind & goes something like this: Something something when the people realize they can vote themselves money from the treasury something something... ...then you realize that was a warning aimed at the gov, not the peasantry |
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Posted: 9/19/2023 8:34:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A quote comes to mind & goes something like this: Something something when the people realize they can vote themselves money from the treasury something something... ...then you realize that was a warning aimed at the gov, not the peasantry Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Shutdown lol over 70% of people are still working in a government shutdown. I've went through three shutdown. First one active duty still working, second one civil service was told only key and essential people will, I was told I wasn't key or essential till the third day and I became key and essential. Same thing for the third shutdown. Government shutdowns happen and people should not get paid if they didn't work. It's part of working for the government. Well, since a law passed in the Trump presidency government employees are guaranteed to be paid after a shutdown. A quote comes to mind & goes something like this: Something something when the people realize they can vote themselves money from the treasury something something... ...then you realize that was a warning aimed at the gov, not the peasantry Or it was a warning (by whoever actually said it) about the massive social programs that account for the majority of spending. Reduce the size of government, don’t be a shitty employer that punishes the workforce because the board of directors can’t run shit, |
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Posted: 9/19/2023 8:36:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't we just do this? Like, just a few months ago? Things must be accelerating. Soon it will be a weekly, Monday morning routine business. Raise it for the weekly projections. |
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Posted: 9/19/2023 8:39:41 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If Republicans had both brains and balls thay would refuse to increase the debt limit. Then tell Joe Biden if he does not pay interest on the debt he will be impeached for violating the 14th Amendment. And if he spends money not appropriated he will also be impeached. Then pass law repealing ALL cost of living increases in federal pay, pensions, and any contracts with vendors with inflation escalator clauses until there are at least 3 consecutive years of a balanced budget actually in the can. Make Joetato have to allocate money as he sees fit to spend the tax revenues but not a penny more. Watch him and the democrats justify their spending however they may. This would make Biden declare his budget priorities and having to stand by him. It would create a constituency for balanced budgets. They should go in 24/7 ad blitz explaining that if the budget were balanced, interest rates could be 2%, not 8, 10, or 12%. It would be great. There are a few problems with that: - It’s an empty threat. The House would impeach and the Senate wouldn’t find him guilty. - The money was appropriated, so that wouldn’t be worthy of an indictment. - It is the House’s job to send a budget. It is absurd to expect the president to fix a problem that Congress keeps sending up by expecting him to not spend the money that they authorized. If Republicans wanted a balanced budget they should send one up and hold to their guns until it’s signed. Anything else is just histrionics. |
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Posted: 9/19/2023 8:41:59 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How about stop all spending to outside nations? We are broke. Cut entitlements by 50%. It is time to ween the domestic piglets. |
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Posted: 9/19/2023 8:46:04 AM EDT
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Question to ask is ," While we are distracted by this BS what does the government pull ? " Gotta keep them separated.
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Posted: 9/19/2023 8:46:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shut it down and fire all govt workers permanently I agree. Let's start by confiscating all paychecks. What is good for the goose is good for the gander, right? 
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Posted: 9/19/2023 8:50:01 AM EDT
[#28]
The CR only covers the time between now and Oct 1. I'm all for the shutdown and let them cut their own budgets. Just remember this grandstanding is over table scraps.
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Posted: 9/19/2023 8:54:37 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The current rate is adding 4 trillion to the debt every year. This govt is killing the country. You have known this for over 50 years. What are you really going to do, stop paying taxes? How about calling your representatives and senators and threatening to never speak to them again if they don't fix this now? 
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Posted: 9/19/2023 9:05:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Our sympathies may increase or decrease depending upon which bowl of alphabet soup you work for... My soup doesn't arrest law abiding citizens. It keeps the criminals behind bars. |
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Posted: 9/19/2023 9:14:19 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can will get kicked down the road again. Always does. Forget about a balanced budget amendment. We need a law against CRs. Pass an appropriations budget or shut it down.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/19/2023 9:20:18 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The CR only covers the time between now and Oct 1. I'm all for the shutdown and let them cut their own budgets. Just remember this grandstanding is over table scraps. No, there is currently funded appropriations *until* Oct. 1, then it all turns into a pumpkin. Last I read, the CR that's been put forward is only for 30 days "to give Congress time to resolve their issues". What BS. Who thinks October 1st comes at a different time every year? They've *had* time to resolve their issues. The GOP needs to grow a pair, send over a reduced budget that eliminates a bunch of Dimunist priorities, and go home for the rest of the year. Let the communists own the shutdown. |
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Posted: 9/19/2023 10:19:45 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There are a few problems with that: - It’s an empty threat. The House would impeach and the Senate wouldn’t find him guilty. - The money was appropriated, so that wouldn’t be worthy of an indictment. - It is the House’s job to send a budget. It is absurd to expect the president to fix a problem that Congress keeps sending up by expecting him to not spend the money that they authorized. If Republicans wanted a balanced budget they should send one up and hold to their guns until it’s signed. Anything else is just histrionics. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If Republicans had both brains and balls thay would refuse to increase the debt limit. Then tell Joe Biden if he does not pay interest on the debt he will be impeached for violating the 14th Amendment. And if he spends money not appropriated he will also be impeached. Then pass law repealing ALL cost of living increases in federal pay, pensions, and any contracts with vendors with inflation escalator clauses until there are at least 3 consecutive years of a balanced budget actually in the can. Make Joetato have to allocate money as he sees fit to spend the tax revenues but not a penny more. Watch him and the democrats justify their spending however they may. This would make Biden declare his budget priorities and having to stand by him. It would create a constituency for balanced budgets. They should go in 24/7 ad blitz explaining that if the budget were balanced, interest rates could be 2%, not 8, 10, or 12%. It would be great. There are a few problems with that: - It’s an empty threat. The House would impeach and the Senate wouldn’t find him guilty. - The money was appropriated, so that wouldn’t be worthy of an indictment. - It is the House’s job to send a budget. It is absurd to expect the president to fix a problem that Congress keeps sending up by expecting him to not spend the money that they authorized. If Republicans wanted a balanced budget they should send one up and hold to their guns until it’s signed. Anything else is just histrionics. They are not doing a budget, they are doing multiple spending bills during the fiscal year. There has not been a budget since Bush 2.0 |
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Posted: 9/19/2023 10:20:34 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Shut it all the fuck down. All of it This |
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Posted: 9/19/2023 10:23:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You have known this for over 50 years. What are you really going to do, stop paying taxes? How about calling your representatives and senators and threatening to never speak to them again if they don't fix this now? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The current rate is adding 4 trillion to the debt every year. This govt is killing the country. You have known this for over 50 years. What are you really going to do, stop paying taxes? How about calling your representatives and senators and threatening to never speak to them again if they don't fix this now? What is your problem. All I did was state a fact. I didn’t offer any solution as there is none to talk about. Anybody that thinks their reps care what they think has not been paying attention. What part of my post is other than simple statement of fact. |
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Posted: 9/19/2023 10:28:40 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The CR only covers the time between now and Oct 1. I'm all for the shutdown and let them cut their own budgets. Just remember this grandstanding is over table scraps. The CR can not cross fiscal year lines. There has not been a budget since Bush 2.0 was president. There is a CR crisis because they spent all the money they had passed in the last spending bill that was supposed to go to the end of the fiscal year, you know, the 3 month spending bill that added $1 Trillion to the debt. They don’t even talk deficit spending anymore since they no longer do a budget. They added 1 trillion to the debt in 3 months and it wasn’t even enough to get to 1 Oct, the new fiscal year. |
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Posted: 9/19/2023 10:51:57 AM EDT
[#37]
Shut it down, you can't borrow yourself out of debt.
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Posted: 9/19/2023 1:45:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A quote comes to mind & goes something like this: Something something when the people realize they can vote themselves money from the treasury something something... ...then you realize that was a warning aimed at the gov, not the peasantry Have you ever contributed to a thread in a meaningful way? Seriously want to know what you think. |
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Posted: 9/19/2023 3:33:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The CR can not cross fiscal year lines. There has not been a budget since Bush 2.0 was president. There is a CR crisis because they spent all the money they had passed in the last spending bill that was supposed to go to the end of the fiscal year, you know, the 3 month spending bill that added $1 Trillion to the debt. They don’t even talk deficit spending anymore since they no longer do a budget. They added 1 trillion to the debt in 3 months and it wasn’t even enough to get to 1 Oct, the new fiscal year. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The CR only covers the time between now and Oct 1. I'm all for the shutdown and let them cut their own budgets. Just remember this grandstanding is over table scraps. The CR can not cross fiscal year lines. There has not been a budget since Bush 2.0 was president. There is a CR crisis because they spent all the money they had passed in the last spending bill that was supposed to go to the end of the fiscal year, you know, the 3 month spending bill that added $1 Trillion to the debt. They don’t even talk deficit spending anymore since they no longer do a budget. They added 1 trillion to the debt in 3 months and it wasn’t even enough to get to 1 Oct, the new fiscal year. You started correct then came off the rails the last few lines. There is an appropriations "crisis" because of the end of the fiscal year. It's unrelated to the debt ceiling "crisis" three months ago which made the debt ceiling be whatever is needed until 1 Jan 25. Frankly it's absurd to have a debt ceiling that isn't tied to appropriations. |
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Posted: 9/19/2023 7:51:38 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryListen, I'm all for limited government, hate the Alphabet boyz, and hate the overspending but the government shut down hurts a lot of us federal employees who actually work. Not all government employees are fat lazy slobs sitting in a cubicle. There are 130,000 thousand of us federal law enforcement officers who will not receive a paycheck and still have to go to work. As FLEO I'm a required to still show up for work but I won't receive a paycheck. I'm sorry to hear that. What unconstitutional laws and regulations is your agency tasked with enforcing? |
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Posted: 9/20/2023 12:46:02 PM EDT
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If they don’t fix things in a meaningful way, the rest of the world will fix it for them.
It’ll be the difference between falling down forwards, and falling down forwards while handcuffed. |
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