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Posted: 10/17/2014 9:47:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow they are almost gone. I caught a 44lb sturgeon between the 3rd and fourth row. Have to fish the flats now. |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 9:51:07 PM EDT
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They are out of service for a reason. They have been squeezed of all use.
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Posted: 10/17/2014 9:52:17 PM EDT
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Out sourced all our labor. We cut our own throats.
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Posted: 10/17/2014 9:57:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Out sourced all our labor. We cut our own throats. Uh, we have 100 MILLION more Americans than we did when I was a kid. Pretty sure we've got the labor needed. And if Uncle started paying to rehab all those ships, laborers would come out of the woodwork to take those high paying non-deployable jobs. |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 9:59:34 PM EDT
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The USN probably has a forgotten warehouse full of needle scalers to work over those ships, but no where near enough people or compressd air to get it done.
The largest obstacle to building an instant fleet would be government contracting rules, followed by a general collapse due to cost accounting rules for the few contracts that were awarded in a timely manner. After that the obstacles are messy mix of people that are employable, money, personal agendas, and too many other issues to list. |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 10:01:25 PM EDT
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Well yes, but at a certain point I would imagine that t's more time and cost effective to build a new ship. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Any mechanical object from the 20th Century, and most from the 19the Century, can be restored to working condition with the application of enough money. Well yes, but at a certain point I would imagine that t's more time and cost effective to build a new ship. That wasn't the question |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 10:01:54 PM EDT
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Fuck. Can I just have one of this to live on?
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Posted: 10/17/2014 10:02:29 PM EDT
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They could, but there's no war that could be fought in today's environment that would require these ships that would not also be over by the time they were seaworthy.
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Posted: 10/17/2014 10:03:52 PM EDT
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I have no idea. I was watching something the other day about Liberty Ships and was wondering if we could do something like that today. They also made the point that US used a lot of WWI destroyers for escort early in the war and gave them to the Brits (or Canadians...I forget). It just got me thinking about whether we could do that today. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's the current size? The last time I was at Eustis, I was shocked with how many ships of that reserve fleet had been cleared out. I have no idea. I was watching something the other day about Liberty Ships and was wondering if we could do something like that today. They also made the point that US used a lot of WWI destroyers for escort early in the war and gave them to the Brits (or Canadians...I forget). It just got me thinking about whether we could do that today. it's supposedly too difficult to build a border fence, there is no way we can make liberty ships again if thats the case. |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 10:06:47 PM EDT
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As someone who works on old junk. I say almost certainly faster, and probably cheaper to replace the bulk of them.
Though I'm fairly certain that our Navy isn't anywhere near needing more ships unless a whole bunch of countries ganged up on us. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 10:14:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They could, but there's no war that could be fought in today's environment that would require these ships that would not also be over by the time they were seaworthy. Absolutely correct. Iraq took, like what, 3 weeks? |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 10:15:12 PM EDT
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Thread title and question are two different things.
Can DoT reactivate the mothball fleet? Yes. Can we build a navy on the scale of the USN of WW II? No. First thing is we don't have enough steel mills. Second thing is we've outsourced a lot of stuff including electronics. Third thing is we don't have the skilled work force we had. Fourth is that too many people are too stupid, too lazy or too drugged out to be trained. |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 10:16:21 PM EDT
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Uh, we have 100 MILLION more Americans than we did when I was a kid. Pretty sure we've got the labor needed. And if Uncle started paying to rehab all those ships, laborers would come out of the woodwork to take those high paying non-deployable jobs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Out sourced all our labor. We cut our own throats. Uh, we have 100 MILLION more Americans than we did when I was a kid. Pretty sure we've got the labor needed. And if Uncle started paying to rehab all those ships, laborers would come out of the woodwork to take those high paying non-deployable jobs. No way it would ever happen with this administration even if it did make sense and there were thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) shovel ready jobs. Those were machines built for war and war is icky. |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 10:18:01 PM EDT
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it's supposedly too difficult to build a border fence, there is no way we can make liberty ships again if thats the case. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: What's the current size? The last time I was at Eustis, I was shocked with how many ships of that reserve fleet had been cleared out. I have no idea. I was watching something the other day about Liberty Ships and was wondering if we could do something like that today. They also made the point that US used a lot of WWI destroyers for escort early in the war and gave them to the Brits (or Canadians...I forget). It just got me thinking about whether we could do that today. it's supposedly too difficult to build a border fence, there is no way we can make liberty ships again if thats the case. We don't need a border fence. We need an illegal immigration internment camp. In Alaska. You don't even need a fence there. Polar bears like illegal immigrants just as much as Democrats do. |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 10:18:55 PM EDT
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Is that the Boxer (LHD-4) in the OP's last picture?
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Posted: 10/17/2014 10:19:17 PM EDT
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No way it would ever happen with this administration even if it did make sense and there were thousands (if hundreds of) shovel ready jobs. Those were machines built for war and war is icky. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Out sourced all our labor. We cut our own throats. Uh, we have 100 MILLION more Americans than we did when I was a kid. Pretty sure we've got the labor needed. And if Uncle started paying to rehab all those ships, laborers would come out of the woodwork to take those high paying non-deployable jobs. No way it would ever happen with this administration even if it did make sense and there were thousands (if hundreds of) shovel ready jobs. Those were machines built for war and war is icky. Of course it wouldn't happen with this administration. Golf happens with this administration. |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 10:24:26 PM EDT
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Is that the Boxer (LHD-4) in the OP's last picture? No it's the Nassau LHA 4 the Boxer is still in service. |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 11:10:24 PM EDT
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It's mud and silt washed down from the Sacramento and San Jouquin rivers. That sites at the mouth of the Delta. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Assuming a WWIII style conventional war, where we need to reactivate warships and transports, do we have the industrial/shipbuilding capacity to make it happen? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/James_River_Reserve_Fleet_source.jpg goddamn that water is fucking disgusting I understand what it is. My post still stands. |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 11:16:07 PM EDT
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Assuming a WWIII style conventional war, where we need to reactivate warships and transports, do we have the industrial/shipbuilding capacity to make it happen? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/Mothball_fleet_Suisun_Bay_aerial.jpg Maybe they will need the Hughes Mining Barge for something? Only a matter of time before a chinese sub goes down, or haul back malaysian air. |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 11:23:00 PM EDT
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Assuming a WWIII style conventional war, where we need to reactivate warships and transports, do we have the industrial/shipbuilding capacity to make it happen? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/James_River_Reserve_Fleet_source.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/Mothball_fleet_Suisun_Bay_aerial.jpg http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/13410909.jpg http://fishwithjd.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/mothball-fleet.jpg http://www.digitalsight.com/photos/photo_gallery/Mothball_Fleet_Suisun_Bay_California/1/imgLg/mothball_fleet_port_chicago_CA_003.jpg http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/atlas_obscura/2013/12/10/the_mothball_fleet_aboard_the_dying_ghost_ships_of_suisun_bay/1386682130.jpg.CROP.promo-large2.jpg http://ww2.hdnux.com/photos/16/26/36/3762069/5/628x471.jpg So why don't they at least maintain the paint. Oh and no we don't have the ability to revive them. |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 11:25:42 PM EDT
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I was amazed how well the USS Iowa was put away for mothballing.
Everything had a protective cover made. I something was drained the drain plug was wired next to the open hole. Here is my 82 y/o father explaining how to start the turbines moving in one of the aft main engine control rooms. All the tags tell what the valve is and what it is connected to. 
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Posted: 10/17/2014 11:28:29 PM EDT
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Here a Electricians Mate is explaining to his sons how to bring a turbo generator on line and in phase with the other running generators.
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Posted: 10/17/2014 11:43:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here a Electricians Mate is explaining to his sons how to bring a turbo generator on line and in phase with the other running generators.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll239/jimfnd/IMG_0267_zps9185c7cd.jpg We're about to do that here w/ the little Harbor Freight gennys: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_10_18/632490_Review_of_the__79_Harbor_Freight_Generator__with_pics__56k_noway____update_page_14.html&page=40#i11559939 |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 11:48:33 PM EDT
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Under the right circumstances, yes, but it would take awhile to get things going.
As things stand now, not so much. |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 12:05:16 AM EDT
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We don't need a border fence. We need an illegal immigration internment camp. In Alaska. You don't even need a fence there. Polar bears like illegal immigrants just as much as Democrats do. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: What's the current size? The last time I was at Eustis, I was shocked with how many ships of that reserve fleet had been cleared out. I have no idea. I was watching something the other day about Liberty Ships and was wondering if we could do something like that today. They also made the point that US used a lot of WWI destroyers for escort early in the war and gave them to the Brits (or Canadians...I forget). It just got me thinking about whether we could do that today. it's supposedly too difficult to build a border fence, there is no way we can make liberty ships again if thats the case. We don't need a border fence. We need an illegal immigration internment camp. In Alaska. You don't even need a fence there. Polar bears like illegal immigrants just as much as Democrats do. I like the way you think..... 
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Posted: 10/18/2014 12:08:01 AM EDT
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I do some work with MARAD and have had dealings with the mothball fleet, it would take years to bring some of those ships back if you even could.
One of my friends is assisting having new ships built for the Jones Act fleet and he spends most of his time over seas at ship yards because the US has lost most of its technology and industrial strength. Major shipping companies have their ships built overseas, there are few built here. The ones built for the military take 10 times longer then a modern, complicated chemical tanker or LNG or regasification ship. These are state of the art, complicated as hell and they are turning them out left and right at several places overseas faster and way cheaper then our govt can even sign off on a contract. |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 12:49:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I do some work with MARAD and have had dealings with the mothball fleet, it would take years to bring some of those ships back if you even could.
One of my friends is assisting having new ships built for the Jones Act fleet and he spends most of his time over seas at ship yards because the US has lost most of its technology and industrial strength outsourced most of our shipyards. Major shipping companies have their ships built overseas, there are few built here. The ones built for the military take 10 times longer then a modern, complicated chemical tanker or LNG or regasification ship. These are state of the art, complicated as hell and they are turning them out left and right at several places overseas faster and way cheaper then our govt can even sign off on a contract. Chief, never mistake technology or industrial strength for 1940's industry. We're still the 2nd largest industrial country in the world, I believe. |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 8:18:22 AM EDT
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YOU WANT YOUR WELFARE CHECK.... HERE IT IS MOTHER FUCKER!!! GET TO SCRAPPING THIS SHIT!!! |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 8:35:44 AM EDT
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Maybe I'm just more optimistic than many of you, but I believe that the US could get off it's ass and build like WWII again, if the need arose. We're still the baddest mothers out there. Just need a good reason.
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Posted: 10/18/2014 8:13:51 PM EDT
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I voted no, but it's been fun reading this thread. Right off the bat it reminded me of this article with awesome pics of the mothball fleet from 2011. http://scotthaefner.com/beyond/mothball-fleet-ghost-ships/ The guys had to trespass and sneak around the ships to avoid patrol boats, but they got some great photos! Check it out.
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Posted: 10/18/2014 8:47:35 PM EDT
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We could. It wouldn't take as long to refurb those ships as it would to build new ones, and it would cost less than building new ones. No we couldn't. Not with the regulations regarding asbestos and lead paint. There is absolutely no point. All of those ships are completely obsolete. There are plenty of commercial vessels sailing right now that could do the job. There are very few if any combat vessels in mothballs that would be of any use either. Heck, I fucking love battleships, but even those are useless in modern combat. If we were in a situation where we needed to all out whoop ass, I'm sure we could start producing mass quantities of things like missiles, including stuff that is off limits right now due to nuclear arms treaties. Restoring planes out of the bone yards would be more useful than most ships. |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 8:48:42 PM EDT
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It's mud and silt washed down from the Sacramento and San Jouquin rivers. That sites at the mouth of the Delta. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Assuming a WWIII style conventional war, where we need to reactivate warships and transports, do we have the industrial/shipbuilding capacity to make it happen? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/James_River_Reserve_Fleet_source.jpg goddamn that water is fucking disgusting Right idea, wrong side of the county numnuts. |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 10:36:53 PM EDT
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Those pictures of the moth ball fleet in susiun bay in Calif. are long gone.
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Posted: 10/18/2014 11:25:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Right idea, wrong side of the county numnuts. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Assuming a WWIII style conventional war, where we need to reactivate warships and transports, do we have the industrial/shipbuilding capacity to make it happen? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/James_River_Reserve_Fleet_source.jpg goddamn that water is fucking disgusting Right idea, wrong side of the county numnuts. |
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