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Posted: 2/8/2018 2:44:19 PM EDT

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They were predominantly Catholic in a protestant area. Heck, there used to be laws prohibiting Catholics from seeking public office in various parts of the country.

Posted: 2/8/2018 2:45:29 PM EDT

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Because most people then were White Anglo-Saxon Protestants, and having a bunch of Ginger Celtic Papists around upset them.

ETA: and because the Italians and Slavs hadn't arrived yet.

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why did everyone hate them anyways

Because most people then were White Anglo-Saxon Protestants, and having a bunch of Ginger Celtic Papists around upset them.

ETA: and because the Italians and Slavs hadn't arrived yet.

Hunkies for the win!!!!

Posted: 2/8/2018 2:46:07 PM EDT

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If it wasn't for whiskey we would have taken over the world.

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Ed McMahon - God invented whiskey to keep the Irish from ruling the world.

Posted: 2/8/2018 2:48:22 PM EDT

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Posted: 2/8/2018 2:49:09 PM EDT

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I had a Italian friend that we called a Wop to harass him.
He's always correct us and say he was a Dago, because Wops are from southern Italy.

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That reminds me of a joke my dad used to make to his Italian friend.

"Yoy know what they say about Perelli tires, Dago here, Dago there, but when Dago flat, Dago WOP WOP WOP."

Posted: 2/8/2018 2:49:16 PM EDT

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They were predominantly Catholic in a protestant area. Heck, there used to be laws prohibiting Catholics from seeking public office in various parts of the country.

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The area (Ireland) was Catholic. The ruling minority was English/protestant.

Posted: 2/8/2018 2:49:52 PM EDT

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Irish I dentures servitude was comgmon. Much closer to slavery. In fact, it's slavery for a term.

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At what point in history could a black man own an Irish man? How many Irishmen were lynched from 1700 to 1963? Not really the same thing.

Irish I dentures servitude was comgmon. Much closer to slavery. In fact, it's slavery for a term.

Very common among German immigrants too in the 1600s and 1700s.

Posted: 2/8/2018 2:50:03 PM EDT

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Nope those signs didn't exist.

They're a modern created kitch for Irish folks too hang in their rec rooms.

There was "no irish" listed on things like nanny type positions, but the widespread myth that signs were up and Irish were looked on like blacks is pure horse shit.

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Nope. It was pretty widespread. Heck, there was a reason Irish in LE was so common back in the day. It was one of the few jobs that no-one else wanted, an a mick with little education could get.

Posted: 2/8/2018 2:51:08 PM EDT

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The most Irish catholic in US history, JFK, is held in decent repute for a politician

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GD hates so called Irish-Americans.

Same with the Catholics.

If you are Irish Catholic, then it is strike two in GD Land.

The most Irish catholic in US history, JFK, is held in decent repute for a politician

He was the white sheep of the family.....

Posted: 2/8/2018 2:53:39 PM EDT

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Quite a few Irish Catholics deserted the US army to fight for Mexico during the Mexican American War.

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Not quite a few...about 50-60, and a number others from all sorts of other units as well. Most had been drafted, and I don't think any were actually US citizens.

Posted: 2/8/2018 2:54:25 PM EDT

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Because they're Irish?

Posted: 2/8/2018 2:57:56 PM EDT

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Irish is not an ethnicity either.

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It sure is.

Posted: 2/8/2018 2:58:35 PM EDT

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"The Irish slave trade began when 30,000 Irish prisoners were sold as slaves to the New World. The King James I Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves.
Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white.
From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and children. Britain’s solution was to auction them off as well." John Martin, "The Irish Slave Trade-The Forgotten "White" Slaves".

Posted: 2/8/2018 3:04:55 PM EDT

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Well, it was actually a black man in Virginia (who owned a number of white and black "indentured servants" who filed the lawsuit (and won!) That created the institution of slavery. Owning white people was, in the beginning, far more common than owning black Also, there were a number of large land/ slave owners in the South during the Civil War period. As to lynching Irish, it wasn't uncommon, and was unremarkable because no-one cared what happened to them. So, in fact, it was level of interest both at the time and by historians that leaves us with our current perceptions. History is seldom what we want it to be, and it is never
Entirely clean.

Posted: 2/8/2018 3:06:03 PM EDT

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lol. wow. Not even close.

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Irish I dentures servitude was common. Much closer to slavery. In fact, it's slavery for a term.

lol. wow. Not even close.

Historical records. You ignore them.

Posted: 2/8/2018 3:09:24 PM EDT

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I was just reading some shit posted by Mcaullay Caulkin (the looney ex child star) about how he was ashamed of his ancestors because they were "mostly Irish immigrants and probably pretty racist".

Posted: 2/8/2018 3:10:51 PM EDT

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First recorded instance of prejudice against the proto-Irish.

"I don't give 2 shits about wildings.. Gingers I hate" The Hound to Tormund Game of Thrones S07E6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8_nkke29_o

Posted: 2/8/2018 3:13:19 PM EDT

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Irish I dentures servitude was common. Much closer to slavery. In fact, it's slavery for a term.

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At what point in history could a black man own an Irish man? How many Irishmen were lynched from 1700 to 1963? Not really the same thing.

Irish I dentures servitude was common. Much closer to slavery. In fact, it's slavery for a term.

Part of my ancestry got here that very way.

Posted: 2/8/2018 3:14:00 PM EDT

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Quite a few Irish Catholics deserted the US army to fight for Mexico during the Mexican American War.

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Yep. Had to do with their treatment. Not an excuse for treason, but a cause of the behavior.

Posted: 2/8/2018 3:20:33 PM EDT

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Not quite a few...about 50-60, and a number others from all sorts of other units as well. Most had been drafted, and I don't think any were actually US citizens.

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The US Army at the time was killing priests and raping nuns in Mexico, the drafted Irish saw it as an attack on their religion so the defected to Mexico

Posted: 2/8/2018 3:20:37 PM EDT

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The area (Ireland) was Catholic. The ruling minority was English/protestant.

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They were predominantly Catholic in a protestant area. Heck, there used to be laws prohibiting Catholics from seeking public office in various parts of the country.

The area (Ireland) was Catholic. The ruling minority was English/protestant.

Sorry, wasn't clear. I was talking about the US northeast.

Posted: 2/8/2018 3:20:41 PM EDT

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Nope those signs didn't exist.

They're a modern created kitch for Irish folks too hang in their rec rooms.

There was "no irish" listed on things like nanny type positions, but the widespread myth that signs were up and Irish were looked on like blacks is pure horse shit.

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https://academic.oup.com/jsh/article-abstract/49/4/829/2412883

Posted: 2/8/2018 3:27:15 PM EDT

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Good ol Teddy Roosevelt wasn't fond of us either.

Posted: 2/8/2018 3:30:33 PM EDT

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There was an island in the caribbean where the british tried to create a perfect slave race by breeding irish and black slaves.

Posted: 2/8/2018 3:38:49 PM EDT

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland%E2%80%93United_Kingdom_relations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Collins_(Irish_leader)

Posted: 2/8/2018 3:39:56 PM EDT

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Clicked on this thread and thought I'd been transported to DU

Posted: 2/8/2018 3:43:50 PM EDT

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At what point in history could a black man own an Irish man? How many Irishmen were lynched from 1700 to 1963? Not really the same thing.

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Besides JFK?

Posted: 2/8/2018 3:45:53 PM EDT

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lol. wow. Not even close.

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Irish I dentures servitude was common. Much closer to slavery. In fact, it's slavery for a term.

lol. wow. Not even close.

African slaves were taken better care of. They were a more long term investment.
Let my people go!!

Posted: 2/8/2018 3:48:28 PM EDT

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The Irish are the only group that I know of that have a vehicle named after them...The Paddy Wagon. Does anybody know what WOP stands for?

Posted: 2/8/2018 3:49:04 PM EDT

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good reading if you are interested...

https://www.amazon.com/Hell-Barbados-Ethnic-Cleansing-Ireland/dp/0863222870

Posted: 2/8/2018 3:52:51 PM EDT

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Rich and vibrant culture

Posted: 2/8/2018 3:56:21 PM EDT

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"We wuz slaves n shitte"

more victim class claims. Get over it. That was over 100yrs ago

Posted: 2/8/2018 3:58:07 PM EDT

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My family came to America in 1611. Prior to that they were suppressing the Irish in Ireland. My ancestor was English but was given a castle by Queen Elizabeth in Ireland after he massacred a bunch of the Irish who lived on the lands there. At one point he pulled some shit that was pretty similar to the Red Wedding in Game of Thrones; called a peace conference and then barred the doors and murdered everyone. The Irish got their revenge though: they hung him and one of his sons from a big tree (I think he used the same tree to hang Irishmen IIRC). Pretty fucked up family history.

Posted: 2/8/2018 4:00:34 PM EDT

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My wife's family is into being Irish, I've heard more than a few lectures on how bad the Irish had it whenever race relations get brought up. Like it's even a contest

Posted: 2/8/2018 4:09:21 PM EDT

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Nope those signs didn't exist.

They're a modern created kitch for Irish folks too hang in their rec rooms.

There was "no irish" listed on things like nanny type positions, but the widespread myth that signs were up and Irish were looked on like blacks is pure horse shit.

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1854: No Irish Need Apply

Posted: 2/8/2018 4:13:47 PM EDT

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Yeah see if someone makes that comment about African Americans its racist.

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People overlook the Irish because in America, white people are all the same... right?

Yeah see if someone makes that comment about African Americans its racist.

Exactly. A quick glance into even the military history of Europe will illuminate the fact that no, white people are not all the same, by any stretch of the imagination.

Posted: 2/8/2018 4:16:09 PM EDT

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Irish I dentures servitude was common. Much closer to slavery. In fact, it's slavery for a term.

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At what point in history could a black man own an Irish man? How many Irishmen were lynched from 1700 to 1963? Not really the same thing.

Irish I dentures servitude was common. Much closer to slavery. In fact, it's slavery for a term.

Is that a new Apple product?

Posted: 2/8/2018 4:20:54 PM EDT

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The part immediately following that is why the North won the war: no matter how many Feds you shot down they could(unconstitutionally) keep their ranks filled with fresh meat for the grinder. The war was about time, not tactics. The South could never replace men anywhere near that rate with the Naval blockade in place.

Irish Immigrants recurited to the Union Army

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jcvpEOl9ug

The men in the video were mid war replacements for the 69th N.Y., more commonly known as "The Irish Brigade".

Posted: 2/8/2018 4:31:53 PM EDT

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They are inclined to sloth, indolence, crime, family violence and drunkeness.

Also, a lot of them have short pudgy fingers, and they are poor at math.

But, still, some of my best friends are Irish.

Posted: 2/8/2018 4:36:31 PM EDT

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Actually... for the first hundred years or so of slavery in the colonies, African slavery was not hereditary and there were free blacks who held papers on white indentured servants (slaves). There are court documents regarding law suits detailing some of the disputes when owners tried to dodge freeing slaves at the end of their indenture.

Posted: 2/8/2018 4:37:02 PM EDT

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Disliking Italians isn't even racist, it just makes sense

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Don't forget Italians and slavs.

Disliking Italians isn't even racist, it just makes sense

couldn't have said it better myself.

and if anyone could explain the fuck outa "moms sauce" that would be great. it doesn't actually indicate whats for supper, unless im just spooning puddles of tomato paste into my mouth..

Posted: 2/8/2018 4:38:14 PM EDT

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Protestant Reformation, they didn't.

Posted: 2/8/2018 4:39:44 PM EDT

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Am I in before the potatoe jokes?

Posted: 2/8/2018 4:41:41 PM EDT

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The part immediately following that is why the North won the war: no matter how many Feds you shot down they could(unconstitutionally) keep their ranks filled with fresh meat for the grinder. The war was about time, not tactics. The South could never replace men anywhere near that rate with the Naval blockade in place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jcvpEOl9ug

The men in the video were mid war replacements for the 69th N.Y., more commonly known as "The Irish Brigade".

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The South lost because they sucked at making war. No staff, poor intelligence, no logistics, poor strategy.

Fresh off the boat Irish were used extensively by both sides during the war.