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Posted: 10/10/2016 6:14:43 PM EDT
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The middle 70s had some blockbusters...
Jaws, King Kong, Rocky, etc. |
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Posted: 10/10/2016 6:23:42 PM EDT
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I submit that cinema (American at least) hit its pinnacle between 1985-1995. Movies were fun and told a story. These days movies are only about special effects and social justice. Sure some good ones slip through the cracks, but those are few and far between. The whole green screen mess has made for lazy and pathetic excuses for movies. Don't completely agree with your golden years despite loving many movies of that time frame but the writer's strike would support your argument. |
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Posted: 10/10/2016 6:25:33 PM EDT
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There's good stuff on Netflix and amazon originals So....like what? Some of us are bored with time on their hands. |
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Posted: 10/10/2016 6:25:36 PM EDT
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Ghostbusters is a perfect example. The music, the story, the characters. Less about visually wowing the viewer. Contrast that with the recent abortion of a movie sharing the same name. While I haven't seen it, it is obviously a hotshot flick with no substance. Movies like Stand By Me, Big or The Naked Gun aren't made anymore. Oh just wait, they will be. They'll be called "Stand By Me", "Big" and "Naked Gun". |
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Posted: 10/10/2016 6:26:10 PM EDT
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The most telling thing is the fact that the current endless batch of remakes totally suck dick in spite of the fact that the new movie director already has an example of exactly what to do when they made the first Robocop movie, they had to think up a script and then think up all set designs and all the special effects and how to direct it when they made the remake, all of that was already done for them and they still fucked it up  how is that even possible?nepotism, there are a lot of 2nd and 3rd generation people in film. they're there because of who they are, not their ability. same as affirmative action doesn't work |
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Posted: 10/10/2016 6:26:33 PM EDT
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The middle 70s had some blockbusters... Jaws, King Kong, Rocky, etc. Those were the movies that gave us the "summer blockbuster" as a genre and business model. The movies before that that were high grossing spectacle movies were actually a rarity in hollywood... films like Gone with the Wind, Ten Commandments, etc. were all thought of as crazy expensive gambles when they came out. Today the "crazy expensive summer movie" is the linchpin in hollywood's budget. The summer blockbuster is modern hollywood's black friday. It didn't used to be that way. |
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Posted: 10/10/2016 6:28:11 PM EDT
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Lawrence of Arabia (1962)
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Posted: 10/10/2016 6:36:18 PM EDT
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Ah yes, the good old days when every movie was scored by a Yamaha DX7.
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Posted: 10/10/2016 7:02:59 PM EDT
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I think they're still making a lot of great movies. Getting them exposed the way they used to be to the general public amidst a much more competitive entertainment sphere is the issue - same with the similar things people say about modern music sucking.
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Posted: 10/10/2016 7:33:45 PM EDT
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It might be interesting to cross genre of some sort ie. Westerns, comedy, action, but there are so many "good" movies out there. I dearly love some of the older comedies like It Happened One Night with Clark Gable & Claudette Colbert. Or an action flick like Casablanca with Humphrey Bogart. My favorite early western is probably The Searchers with John Wayne. I like TGTB &TU, it's the only movie for which I have the musical score, and Unforgiven which has a great multifaceted plot; though, I don't have a clue about it's music. Then, there is Mr. Hollands Opus, probably classified as a drama, which I like for the dedication of the teacher as much as anything. In short, classifying movies as good, is too complex a task if only by genre alone. I don't have a clue other then it's just too complicated.
ETA My Grammer was in hospital. |
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Posted: 10/10/2016 7:44:00 PM EDT
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But they once were a business that had a willingness to risk. Now they are business that understand risk mitigation. The dawn of the "blockbuster" in the late 70s changed Hollywood. It used to be "I get paid to do what I love", now it is "I need to make a billion dollars to keep this machine running". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The "New Hollywood" era of the late 70s to early 80s was when hollywood started to transition from "movies are art" to "movies are business". They still love to claim that movies are art, but it is all about the almighty dollar now. Movies have always been a business. But they once were a business that had a willingness to risk. Now they are business that understand risk mitigation. The dawn of the "blockbuster" in the late 70s changed Hollywood. It used to be "I get paid to do what I love", now it is "I need to make a billion dollars to keep this machine running". The fact that Hollywood is doing so well by doing sequels of reboots of reboots of reboots of sequels of reboots is more of a problem with the audience, not Hollywood. At some point American moviegoers decided they were fine with watching 16 Spider-Man reboots per year, and Hollywood got understandably lazy and greedy. |
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Posted: 10/10/2016 7:48:49 PM EDT
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Those were the movies that gave us the "summer blockbuster" as a genre and business model. The movies before that that were high grossing spectacle movies were actually a rarity in hollywood... films like Gone with the Wind, Ten Commandments, etc. were all thought of as crazy expensive gambles when they came out. Today the "crazy expensive summer movie" is the linchpin in hollywood's budget. The summer blockbuster is modern hollywood's black friday. It didn't used to be that way. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The middle 70s had some blockbusters... Jaws, King Kong, Rocky, etc. Those were the movies that gave us the "summer blockbuster" as a genre and business model. The movies before that that were high grossing spectacle movies were actually a rarity in hollywood... films like Gone with the Wind, Ten Commandments, etc. were all thought of as crazy expensive gambles when they came out. Today the "crazy expensive summer movie" is the linchpin in hollywood's budget. The summer blockbuster is modern hollywood's black friday. It didn't used to be that way. That was forty years ago. Forty years before that movie studios were just beginning to master "talkies" and experimenting with color film. |
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Posted: 10/10/2016 7:53:02 PM EDT
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As a 25 year old, I say the pinnacle was whenever Lawrence of Arabia came out. For that movie pretty much dominates any period of movies to come out.
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Posted: 10/10/2016 7:56:41 PM EDT
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I submit that cinema (American at least) hit its pinnacle between 1985-1995. Movies were fun and told a story. These days movies are only about special effects and social justice. Sure some good ones slip through the cracks, but those are few and far between. The whole green screen mess has made for lazy and pathetic excuses for movies. 1985 would leave out Empire Strikes Back, so no, you are wrong. 
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Posted: 10/10/2016 8:09:30 PM EDT
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That was forty years ago. Forty years before that movie studios were just beginning to master "talkies" and experimenting with color film. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The middle 70s had some blockbusters... Jaws, King Kong, Rocky, etc. Those were the movies that gave us the "summer blockbuster" as a genre and business model. The movies before that that were high grossing spectacle movies were actually a rarity in hollywood... films like Gone with the Wind, Ten Commandments, etc. were all thought of as crazy expensive gambles when they came out. Today the "crazy expensive summer movie" is the linchpin in hollywood's budget. The summer blockbuster is modern hollywood's black friday. It didn't used to be that way. That was forty years ago. Forty years before that movie studios were just beginning to master "talkies" and experimenting with color film. And thus is the evolution of hollywood... 1920 "Hey, we might be able to get ten people to pay us money to watch this!" 1940 "Hey, millions of people are watching the hundreds of movies we are making. How can we get MORE people to watch?" 1960 "Hey, some of the movies we make attract more paying customers than others, lets adjust our output to focus on those more!" 1980 "Hey, we got a billion people to pay us to watch that ONE bloated movie we made. What can we do to get a billion people to pay to watch something next year?" 2000 "Hey, we absolutely NEED a billion people to pay to watch effectively the same effects laden movie every year otherwise we are in the red..." |
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Posted: 10/10/2016 10:35:15 PM EDT
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Silence of the Lambs Schindler's List Shawshank Redemption The Shining Full Metal Jacket Scarface No Godfather? Come on It was made in 1972. We are talking about films made between 1980 and 1995. 
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Posted: 10/10/2016 11:01:02 PM EDT
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And thus is the evolution of hollywood... 1920 "Hey, we might be able to get ten people to pay us money to watch this!" 1940 "Hey, millions of people are watching the hundreds of movies we are making. How can we get MORE people to watch?" 1960 "Hey, some of the movies we make attract more paying customers than others, lets adjust our output to focus on those more!" 1980 "Hey, we got a billion people to pay us to watch that ONE bloated movie we made. What can we do to get a billion people to pay to watch something next year?" 2000 "Hey, we absolutely NEED a billion people to pay to watch effectively the same effects laden movie every year otherwise we are in the red..." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The middle 70s had some blockbusters... Jaws, King Kong, Rocky, etc. Those were the movies that gave us the "summer blockbuster" as a genre and business model. The movies before that that were high grossing spectacle movies were actually a rarity in hollywood... films like Gone with the Wind, Ten Commandments, etc. were all thought of as crazy expensive gambles when they came out. Today the "crazy expensive summer movie" is the linchpin in hollywood's budget. The summer blockbuster is modern hollywood's black friday. It didn't used to be that way. That was forty years ago. Forty years before that movie studios were just beginning to master "talkies" and experimenting with color film. And thus is the evolution of hollywood... 1920 "Hey, we might be able to get ten people to pay us money to watch this!" 1940 "Hey, millions of people are watching the hundreds of movies we are making. How can we get MORE people to watch?" 1960 "Hey, some of the movies we make attract more paying customers than others, lets adjust our output to focus on those more!" 1980 "Hey, we got a billion people to pay us to watch that ONE bloated movie we made. What can we do to get a billion people to pay to watch something next year?" 2000 "Hey, we absolutely NEED a billion people to pay to watch effectively the same effects laden movie every year otherwise we are in the red..." And yet, they still made "Mud." |
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Posted: 10/10/2016 11:06:43 PM EDT
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I think the turning point was the lack of new ideas and the remaking of older movies. There are still good movies coming out but there seem to be less with original storylines.
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Posted: 10/10/2016 11:13:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll agree on two of the three. I haven't seen Blade Runner. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I agree, but would even take it a little earlier than that - perhaps 1980. You are correct. We must include Caddyshack, Ghostbusters and The Blues Brothers. As well as Raiders of the Lost Ark, Empire Strikes Back and Blade Runner. I'll agree on two of the three. I haven't seen Blade Runner. Beat your face |
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Posted: 10/10/2016 11:17:23 PM EDT
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It was made in 1972. We are talking about films made between 1980 and 1995. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Silence of the Lambs Schindler's List Shawshank Redemption The Shining Full Metal Jacket Scarface No Godfather? Come on It was made in 1972. We are talking about films made between 1980 and 1995. How many of your nominations have the same distinction? All of them 
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Posted: 10/10/2016 11:31:19 PM EDT
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The rise of the ADD viewer, has brought about the rise of movies that attempt to hold the attention of the ADD.
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Posted: 10/11/2016 12:10:16 AM EDT
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1939 is widely regarded as the peak of the studio system. GWTW, Goodbye Mr Chips, Stagecoach, Gunga Din, Ninotchka, etc. It's really striking how much more intelligent and sophisticated many of the movies of that era are. You can extend that into the 50's for musicals, noir, and some epics.
There was another peak in the late 60's through the late 70's New Hollywood with the auteurs like Cimino, Bogdanovich, Mel Brooks, Coppola, and De Palma. There's a lot of crap these days, even accounting for Sturgeon's Law. The target audience has shifted from adults to teenagers out on a date and killing some time. Dialog and characters have shifted to match the market. What has gotten better is TV. The long form TV series has opened up a lot of narrative space because it doesn't have to tell a single, stand-alone story in two hours. |
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Posted: 10/11/2016 8:44:21 AM EDT
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What's predictable in every discussion of movies, art, music or pop culture is that grown men romanticize some period and believe the one they live in to be the worst.
We are probably living in the pinnacle of cinema, and whoever is 18 right now will say so in 25 years. BTW, a lot of what people claim is what's wrong with cinema right now are the big-budget Hollywood attempts to cash in....not necessarily the "good" movies of our generation. Indie films, foreign movies, critically acclaimed or art house cinema is out there going strong, and always has been. Often, it's these movies that define a generation's film quality and set trends. |
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