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Posted: 12/4/2023 1:34:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was looking for the voting options of "OP is drunk"  Short answer, OP is pretty much spot on. I was Enlisted Infantry and later commissioned and went Signal, so take that for what it is. My son, this past year finished Infantry BOLC at the "Maneuver Center of Excellence", so his perspective is that Armor officers are fat slugs, and whine like little bitches when they're outside when it's cold and wet. My son is the epitome of the Infantry cockiness of being at the tip of the spear and every other MOS is in direct support, creating effects, or creating more paperwork...  Old school Army (possibly in the Marines as well), branches were broken into three categories: Combat Arms, Combat Support, and Combat Service Support. There were too many hurt feelings, so they expanded those groups to the current categories: Current Branch Groupings: Maneuver, Fires, and Effects: Air Defense Artillery Armor Aviation Cavalry Scout Chemical Engineers Infantry Field Artillery Military Police Psychological Operations Special Forces Operations Support: Civil Affairs Cyber Electronic Warfare Military Intelligence Public Affairs Signal Force Sustainment: Adjutant General Army Music Chaplain Financial Management Judge Advocate General Medical Ordnance Transportation Quartermaster These days, you're combat arms if your branch can kill the enemy; you're Infantry if you can look them in the eye before terminating them. However, as I joked with my combat arms peers after turning Signal, I told those knuckle-dragging, bullet-eating, mud-slinging Neanderthal bitches...you can't talk about me, but you can't talk without me  Quite honestly, RETRANS was the reason I considered moving jumping from Infantry to Signal. Dudes on a hilltop with a great view, BBQ grill with delicious smelling BBQ chicken and steak, big ice cooler with some cold beverages, lawn chairs to get a tan when the sun came out, autonomy-nobody giving them shit (as long as comms were up), pogy-bait, a big box of porn mags, functional Special Forces attire options (doo rags on heads)...damn, Sarg, sign me the fuck up! I can't speak for the Marines, however, I've worked with enough to know that they all want to be bullet catchers even if their MOS isn't... ROCK6 Chemical and MP got moved? Aviation I thought used to be split between attack and not attack  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 1:35:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: infantry dies without support OOOO! OOO! OOO! I found a supply soecialist! |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 1:37:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And who tells artillery where to point the guns? That's right. Field radio operator in a forward observer group used to be the answer. Now it might be a toss up between that and drones and swinging more towards drones every day |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 1:45:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every war involves infantry. Until some halfwit teen bitching about chow is comfortably standing on some real estate, you cannot declare victory A naval fight is a battle. It is not a war. Aviation alone has been solidly proven to be a horrible idea, and again, does not win a war. I have been hearing how 11B was done as a functional player for a long time now, then Nagorno Karabahk and the Ukraine happened. Seems like 11B is what holds ground and wins wars, even when both sides have nukes. Aviation did seem to break the Iraqi Army's back in 1990, when they were the 4th largest military in the world. There was a reason the ground war took just 4 days and first contact was often with troops who were surrendering. I assume the 100,000 arty rounds sent on prepared positions for 3 hours before the ground assault started also helped a tad.  Granted, it is a lot harder to hide in the open desert, especially when your enemy has air superiority and JSTARS. 
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Posted: 12/4/2023 1:47:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryBUT they are the Men's Department of the Navy |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 1:52:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ya know how you never meet a guy in civilian life who pretends he was a deck ape or a cook? It is kind of like that. Even cops who never served like to play dress up and pretend to be Infantry.  I'm Gonna Git You Sucka -I was a Inter Military Administrator too-We'll I'll be damn a Secretary-80s |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 1:55:38 PM EDT
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Infantry is just there to support the Armor and keep the other infantry from destroying said armor.
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Posted: 12/4/2023 1:57:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sir, I supported the right of you people to get married. The least you can do is not gay up my thread please. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oh my sweet summer child. The Air Force (and its side kick the Navy) can single handedly cause a worldwide nuclear apocalypse without any support, all while the infantry is still getting the order to deploy. So...no. Not even a little bit Sir, I supported the right of you people to get married. The least you can do is not gay up my thread please. 
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Posted: 12/4/2023 2:02:38 PM EDT
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I don't remember supporting anyone when I was at Torii Station, just harassed the Marines every time I used their range. I still use one of their range boxes to hold my weapons cleaning kit
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Posted: 12/4/2023 2:08:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been 11H, 11M an 11B...motorized 9th ID, light 193rd Panama, AASLT 101st an mech 81st HBCT/ABCT an unit was going strykers when i retired.. 11HE9 was the TOW M113 AKA hammerhead an 11BC2 was dragon gunner..both undesirable. 11B4J3 193rd Panama - that’s old school, I think we had a Jungle school thread a while back. Back in the 80s the 82nd was rotating battalions thru jungle school and MFO Sinai |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 2:20:25 PM EDT
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Threads like this are retarded and a waste of site resources.
OP walks around with those stupid shirts he got from the PX with the constitution on it "I TOOK AN OATH" garbage. Get a life OP. I bet you take your VA card and drive 2 hrs just so you can get scanned at the ECP and sniff the air..."I'm baaaaacccckkkkkk" |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 2:21:00 PM EDT
[#12]
Some folks just like to let everyone know they were the ASVAB waiver.
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Posted: 12/4/2023 2:23:12 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He was. Students did an impersonation of him, a RI videoed it and put it on you tube. Shit was pretty funny, however the First Sergeant made them take it down. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 2:23:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: we had this one radio operator who walked with the rest of the grunts (USMC) some ncos/sncos liked to lovingly make fun of him 'grunt with a battery' or some such. Battery powered grunt, I was one of those |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 2:38:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some folks just like to let everyone know they were the ASVAB waiver. I was the Drill SGT for the Vice President of Goldman Sachs. His name was Kevin Mincio. He chose Infantry vs other MOS's, dude left a $300k a year job to be a Infantrymen. He not only was a great soldier, he taught me MS access and helped us build our training data bases etc. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 3:09:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Threads like this are retarded and a waste of site resources. OP walks around with those stupid shirts he got from the PX with the constitution on it "I TOOK AN OATH" garbage. Get a life OP. I bet you take your VA card and drive 2 hrs just so you can get scanned at the ECP and sniff the air..."I'm baaaaacccckkkkkk" You seem familiar… First 3 letters of username is appropriate. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 3:58:58 PM EDT
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Does anyone remember they one 8^, Memeber if GD that was trying to get into the Army and finally made it?
(Claim to fame before joining the Army was posting a picture of his him on GD and some recognized it because they drove by it often) I think he ended up being station with or near another GD member. Trying to remember his Mos and how’s he doing. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 4:03:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does anyone remember they one 8^, Memeber if GD that was trying to get into the Army and finally made it? (Claim to fame before joining the Army was posting a picture of his him on GD and some recognized it because they drove by it often) I think he ended up being station with or near another GD member. Trying to remember his Mos and how’s he doing. I think SaSquatch confirmed and if I recall Sasquatch was at Ft Polk at the time, I’m not using the new base names so Fort Polk but can’t recall that posters name at first he was talking SOF but forgot eventual mos enlisted for |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 4:34:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is mortuary affairs and laundry and bath specialists. I was the Drill SGT for the Vice President of Goldman Sachs. His name was Kevin Mincio. He chose Infantry vs other MOS's, dude left a $300k a year job to be a Infantrymen. He not only was a great soldier, he taught me MS access and helped us build our training data bases etc. I'll never dog on a Mortuary Affairs troop of any branch. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 4:40:50 PM EDT
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When we do go to war female generals admirals etc will get many many men killed.
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Posted: 12/4/2023 4:47:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think SaSquatch confirmed and if I recall Sasquatch was at Ft Polk at the time, I’m not using the new base names so Fort Polk but can’t recall that posters name at first he was talking SOF but forgot eventual mos enlisted for Thanks! I think that’s it! In other news, I looked up one of my old units and they have women in it now. Like in HHB and the gun batteries. I’m way out of touch. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 4:49:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Odd, Infantry sure does like screaming on the radio for Armor support though. And air support too. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 4:50:56 PM EDT
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Quoted: There are only 2 MOSs. You are either Infantry or support. It doesn’t matter what branch. Prove me wrong. Correct. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 4:52:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Odd how much grunts are in the motorpool wanting their trucks fixed bc they hate walking and half the time making up shit on their 5988 They wouldn't have to do any of that if motor T would do their jobs. 
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Posted: 12/4/2023 4:53:07 PM EDT
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Let’s not forget our brothers, the Cav Scouts. We always know when they’ve found the enemy because they’ve stopped making radio calls due to the unfortunate fact that they’ve been overrun.
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Posted: 12/4/2023 5:02:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks! I think that’s it! In other news, I looked up one of my old units and they have women in it now. Like in HHB and the gun batteries. I’m way out of touch. Same, saw a couple press releases and saw females at the company level 
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Posted: 12/4/2023 5:11:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let’s not forget our brothers, the Cav Scouts. We always know when they’ve found the enemy because they’ve stopped making radio calls due to the unfortunate fact that they’ve been overrun. Hell yeah still conducting Recon even after death. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 5:15:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hell yeah still conducting Recon even after death. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Let’s not forget our brothers, the Cav Scouts. We always know when they’ve found the enemy because they’ve stopped making radio calls due to the unfortunate fact that they’ve been overrun. Hell yeah still conducting Recon even after death. Truly nice of the 19Ds to mark their position with oily black smoke... |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 5:27:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Same, saw a couple press releases and saw females at the company level Speaking of Cav Scouts..I mean women. This female Cav Scout just graduated Snioer School https://taskandpurpose.com/news/first-female-active-duty-soldier-graduates-from-sniper-schools/?_5BwiGcbKTBt6g_aem_AdJAcqBbbWl45N4eGy_IZRV22aBXIq3Mykc3VDM0j9KsqNeXatl_a5qHThCf-cw9kEg  Attached FileSgt. Maciel Hay, a cavalry scout with the 173rd Airborne Brigade in Vicenza, Italy, completed the 5-week course at Fort Moore, Georgia last month. She is currently deployed with the brigade in Germany as part of the Army’s rapid response force to Europe, Africa and the Middle East. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 5:30:53 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Let's not forget our brothers, the Cav Scouts. We always know when they've found the enemy because they've stopped making radio calls due to the unfortunate fact that they've been overrun. Honestly curious. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 5:36:56 PM EDT
[#31]
Wow
Women integrating into Army’s final infantry, armor units First Idaho female infantry officer WASHINGTON -- The Army will integrate female infantry and armor Soldiers into its final nine brigade combat teams this year as it modifies a requirement to have at least two female leaders in each company with junior enlisted women. “We’ve had women in the infantry and armor occupations now for three years,” said Maj. Melissa Comiskey, chief of command policy, Army G-1. Integrating women into combat units has “changed the culture,” she added. “It’s not as different as it was three years ago when the Army first implemented the integration plan.” When the integration began, a “leaders first” policy required two female officers or NCOs of the same military occupational specialty to be in each company that accepted women straight from initial-entry training. That rule was modified last year so that only one female infantry or armor leader needed to be in each company, along with another woman of any MOS -- such as a supply sergeant or signal NCO. Now the rule has been further adjusted with a change to the Army Gender Integration Plan that will require only one female officer or NCO to be in companies that accept junior enlisted women. https://www.army.mil/article/236107/women_integrating_into_armys_final_infantry_armor_units |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 5:39:47 PM EDT
[#32]
Combined Arms / Modern Warfare
how does it work ?? way more complicated than distilling it down to TWO |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 5:41:39 PM EDT
[#33]
Come on, it's obvious that remote aircraft/drone operators rule the battlefield now.
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Posted: 12/4/2023 5:43:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow Women integrating into Army’s final infantry, armor units First Idaho female infantry officer WASHINGTON -- The Army will integrate female infantry and armor Soldiers into its final nine brigade combat teams this year as it modifies a requirement to have at least two female leaders in each company with junior enlisted women. “We’ve had women in the infantry and armor occupations now for three years,” said Maj. Melissa Comiskey, chief of command policy, Army G-1. Integrating women into combat units has “changed the culture,” she added. “It’s not as different as it was three years ago when the Army first implemented the integration plan.” When the integration began, a “leaders first” policy required two female officers or NCOs of the same military occupational specialty to be in each company that accepted women straight from initial-entry training. That rule was modified last year so that only one female infantry or armor leader needed to be in each company, along with another woman of any MOS -- such as a supply sergeant or signal NCO. Now the rule has been further adjusted with a change to the Army Gender Integration Plan that will require only one female officer or NCO to be in companies that accept junior enlisted women. https://www.army.mil/article/236107/women_integrating_into_armys_final_infantry_armor_units If you click on each state National Guard you’ll see practically every state touting either “the first female general” stories or a female AG appointed to be in charge of the state National Guard. New York out a cherry on top pushing for black female infantry lieutenants |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 5:50:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When has a Cav Scout element been over ran in the last 20 yrs? Honestly curious. SSG Carter was a 19D or 19K if I recall https://www.army.mil/article/110154/cavalry_scout_receives_medal_of_honor  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 5:56:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SSG Carter was a 19K if I recall https://www.army.mil/article/110154/cavalry_scout_receives_medal_of_honor He's support. The 19 year old kid that just graduated from OSUT is the real hero. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 5:59:41 PM EDT
[#37]
SSG Romesha was 19D or 19K too if I remember https://www.army.mil/medalofhonor/romesha/
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Posted: 12/4/2023 6:00:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SSG Carter was a 19K if I recall https://www.army.mil/article/110154/cavalry_scout_receives_medal_of_honor Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When has a Cav Scout element been over ran in the last 20 yrs? Honestly curious. SSG Carter was a 19K if I recall https://www.army.mil/article/110154/cavalry_scout_receives_medal_of_honor Define over ran? The enemy was not successful. They were in the wire but they fought and took their cop back. That was the movie the outpost. B TRP 3-61 Cav was the unit. SSG rom was both a 19K and 19D SSG Carter was a 19D That was my first unit before I moved BDE to 4-10 Cav. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 6:03:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/4/2023 7:21:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then why all the infantry is sucked in tight to the back of the tank where the phone is. Quote HistoryQuoted: Then why all the infantry is sucked in tight to the back of the tank where the phone is. Story time. So, I was an asshole to the commo guys when I was mechanized. We would use our tracks and cut their wires all the time if they weren't over the roads...that shit came back to bite me in the ass. A good friend of mine was an Armor Platoon Leader in 3rd Battalion, 73rd Armor Regiment at Fort Bragg, North Carolina; good'ol Airborne Sheridan tanks! They had the external phone to talk to the Airborne crunchie platoon leaders and he would always fuck with them. Once the PL had the phone, he would speed up and watch the PL struggle to keep up; slow down, speed up, rinse repeat. He was truly an asshole...worthy of his combat arms badge  Made me laugh every time. Quoted: You raised your sons well. Welcome, fellow Harmony Church Brother. I vacationed at Harmony Church in circa summer of '87; no AC, holes in the floor of WWII barracks, made you as hard was red-cockaded woodpecker lips! ROCK6 |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 8:17:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One of our ARF members @Zoinks warned me to make copies but I went full retard and didn't heed his advice. Was looking at gun safes over Black Friday and 2 1/2 hour fire with 72 hour flood protection cost like 7-10 grand and there weren't any sales, 10% off was all I found unless it was Liberty safes which had up to $1000 off Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Same. I lost almost all of my pictures when my basement flooded years ago. One of our ARF members @Zoinks warned me to make copies but I went full retard and didn't heed his advice. Was looking at gun safes over Black Friday and 2 1/2 hour fire with 72 hour flood protection cost like 7-10 grand and there weren't any sales, 10% off was all I found unless it was Liberty safes which had up to $1000 off I don't even listen to me as much as I should!! |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 8:31:00 PM EDT
[#42]
OP probably wears gruntstyle t shirts and has a stupid haircut but hesrightyouknow.jpeg
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Posted: 12/5/2023 4:30:59 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some folks just like to let everyone know they were the ASVAB waiver. Not remotely true. My son scored a 95 on the ASVAB, chose Infantry. At MEPS, they thought he cheated and made him take it again; he scored a 96 ROCK6 |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 7:06:22 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Threads like this are retarded and a waste of site resources. OP walks around with those stupid shirts he got from the PX with the constitution on it "I TOOK AN OATH" garbage. Get a life OP. I bet you take your VA card and drive 2 hrs just so you can get scanned at the ECP and sniff the air..."I'm baaaaacccckkkkkk" LMAO!
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Posted: 12/5/2023 8:37:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are forgiven. I don't even listen to me as much as I should!! ???? |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 3:06:41 AM EDT
[#46]
Ehh, As we've seen in the Russo-Ukrainian war every MOS has a job and is important.
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Posted: 12/6/2023 11:25:31 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you even say you were in a war if you got in a plane, flew somewhere, and flew back to base for the night? @TaskForce My grandfather would like to talk with you. He was a B-17 pilot in the ETO. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 11:33:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not remotely true. My son scored a 95 on the ASVAB, chose Infantry. At MEPS, they thought he cheated and made him take it again; he scored a 96 ROCK6 I got a 92, had a bachelors degree, and enlisted as inf. Infantry draws the extremes. I served with both the smartest and dumbest people I've ever met. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 2:07:19 PM EDT
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I have a somewhat unique perspective, as I was originally an 11B1OC2-a junior enlisted leg Infantryman who carried around an M47 Dragon missile- and then went on to be a 13F2O - an Artillery Forward Observer. As such, I can see things from both sides of the argument. There's a lot of truth to the argument that the Infantry is charged with taking and holding ground and everyone else in the military is charged with helping them accomplish that mission. But there is also truth to the argument that the Infantry only exists to get the Forward Observer to the next hill.
The full truth is that nobody is getting shit done without the rest of the team. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 2:21:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I got a 92, had a bachelors degree, and enlisted as inf. Infantry draws the extremes. I served with both the smartest and dumbest people I've ever met. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not remotely true. My son scored a 95 on the ASVAB, chose Infantry. At MEPS, they thought he cheated and made him take it again; he scored a 96 ROCK6 I got a 92, had a bachelors degree, and enlisted as inf. Infantry draws the extremes. I served with both the smartest and dumbest people I've ever met. That is so hilariously accurate. You can almost predict a tanker or an artillery guy by stereotype. The infantry draws a wide gamut, every extreme. |
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