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Link Posted: 12/19/2018 3:33:46 PM EDT
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#MacWasRight
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Link Posted: 12/19/2018 3:33:58 PM EDT
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So many want the NRA to be aggressive and take risks to advance the Second Amendment.

Trump was that risk and it was a mistake.

Trump is a gun banner.

Stand with the NRA. Judge Trump by what he does vs. the historic level complete BULLSHIT he claimed during the campaign.

All the other RINOs would have just done the same old lip service while allowing the Second to erode.

Trump promised an absolute shit ton of WIN (we'd be tired of it) and then TOTALLY BLEW IT OFF LIKE HE NEVER SAID IT.

NRA took a calculated risk in the hopes of HUGE wins. That hasn't happened but that is on Paul Ryan, and the most recent ban on DONALD TRUMP.

Trump has never stopped pissing off the MSM and the r establishment, often for no good reason at all.

If you truly want to preserve the Second Amendment, trashing the NRA is INSANE.
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It's real simple.  The NRA asked for the ATF to change it's determination on bumpstocks.  Whatever their motivations, to open the registry (laughable), to avoid legislation (in a Republican administration in all branches), or in hopes that it would just fade away.

They got exactly what they asked for.
Link Posted: 12/19/2018 3:34:01 PM EDT
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So many want the NRA to be aggressive and take risks to advance the Second Amendment.

Trump was that risk and it was a mistake.

Trump is a gun banner.

Stand with the NRA. Judge Trump by what he does vs. the historic level complete BULLSHIT he claimed during the campaign.

All the other RINOs would have just done the same old lip service while allowing the Second to erode.

Trump promised an absolute shit ton of WIN (we'd be tired of it) and then TOTALLY BLEW IT OFF LIKE HE NEVER SAID IT.

NRA took a calculated risk in the hopes of HUGE wins. That hasn't happened but that is on Paul Ryan, and the most recent ban on DONALD TRUMP.

Trump has never stopped pissing off the MSM and the r establishment, often for no good reason at all.

If you truly want to preserve the Second Amendment, trashing the NRA is INSANE.
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No, we need an organization that is actively working to preserve the 2nd. Not pimping coolers and spending member $ in the Caribbean like drunk congressmen. Maybe Wayne & Marion got a trip to Epstien island and had their agenda changed.
Link Posted: 12/19/2018 3:35:27 PM EDT
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It's real simple.  The NRA asked for the ATF to change it's determination on bumpstocks.  Whatever their motivations, to open the registry (laughable), to avoid legislation (in a Republican administration in all branches), or in hopes that it would just fade away.

They got exactly what they asked for.
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"Pre-emptive surrender"

The French are impressed.
Link Posted: 12/19/2018 3:35:32 PM EDT
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... at this point in life, I'd much rather donate what little I can afford to, to folks like Nolo and their folks. I'm getting pretty tired of getting soaked pissing into the wind
Link Posted: 12/19/2018 3:36:09 PM EDT
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Hey look, another low post count 13er starting anti-NRA threads.  Dem lurkers really phone it in these days.
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lol

Don't address the fact that the NRA got exactly what they asked for.  Instead attack the guy who mentions it.
Link Posted: 12/19/2018 3:36:21 PM EDT
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I'm not telling you what to do.  But for me, I'm not a quitter.  Maybe we could finally get NRA straightened out if more like minded folks, such as you and I, worked together from within to fix that clusterfuck, instead of running away like a pissy pants little bitch.

Pain is temporary, giving up is forever.
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I'm going to have a few choice words for the NRA stooges that try to foist memberships for free admission to the Nation's Gun Show. I usually don't go but I'm making a special trip.

In case any others here are of like mind.

DECEMBER 28, 29 & 30, 2018  |  DULLES EXPO CENTER Chantilly, Virginia


I'm betting they won't even set-up.
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Im going to try to make it as well.

Where can i get those F the NRA shirts anyone got a link ??
Link Posted: 12/19/2018 3:37:28 PM EDT
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FUCKING CAT LADY NEEDS TO GO

WAYNE LA PUCKER NEEDS TO GO
Link Posted: 12/19/2018 3:38:53 PM EDT
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What about a direct quite from a board member that is paid $300,000 of member's money a year?

"The “bump-stock” device, used by the killer in the Las Vegas shooting, converts a semi-auto rifle to a full-auto rifle." -Marion Hammer

Will that not do for you?

You think I twisted her words or maybe took them from an old letter from years ago?

Fine.

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DATE:   October 9, 2017
TO:       My Fellow Board & Council Members & Friends
FROM:  Marion Hammer, NRA past president
RE:       Misinformation and Distortion Anger Me

In 1934 the first federal gun control law in America was passed. The National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA) became the law of the land. The NRA was asleep at the switch. Most of us hadn’t even been born then. It is not of our making but like all good, honest, law-abiding Americans, the NRA obeys the law. The NFA regulates fully-automatic firearms and has done so for 83 years.

The “bump-stock” device, used by the killer in the Las Vegas shooting, converts a semi-auto rifle to a full-auto rifle. Anyone who has ever used a bump-stock or watched a video demonstrating its use, can only conclude that it is a converter.

If you listened to an audio recording of the shooting during that horrific massacre, you must have concluded that it was full-auto fire. You were not alone, many firearms experts and law enforcement professionals came to the same conclusion. It was not until later that information was released disclosing that bump-stocks had been used to convert semi-automatic firearms to perform like full-auto firearms.

In spite of the seemingly noble reason the manufacturer claims for developing it, the bump-stock circumvents federal law. Regardless of the quality and reliability or lack thereof of this device – it converts a semi-auto to full-auto when installed.

Do you have any idea how many people were shocked out of their minds when ATF decided bump-stocks were not subject to regulation and APPROVED them for sale and use? That was under the Obama administration for crying out loud. Your mind is forced to run wild wondering why.

Once the ruling was made, what would you expect NRA to do? Do you think NRA should have said, Oh! No, ATF is wrong, ATF made a mistake?

It doesn’t matter what laws the NRA doesn’t agree with or doesn’t like, the NRA must abide by the law. For decades, over and over again when the enemies of the Second Amendment have tried to capitalize on tragedies by calling for more gun control, NRA has called for enforcing existing law. That is exactly what we are doing now.

Make no mistake, the NRA has NOT cleared the way for more regulation. If it were not for ATF’s wink and nod to the manufacturer of the bump-stock, it would already be regulated under federal law. NRA has tossed it back into ATF’s lap where it belongs. NRA has not agreed to any new legislation nor has NRA said we agree with any existing NFA legislation. NRA has not agreed to a ban. NRA has not agreed to anything. NRA simply insists upon enforcing existing law.

The enemies freedom and the Second Amendment are spewing hysteria from the podiums they have planted in the blood of innocent victims. These anti-Second Amendment heretics are using these victims as their stalking horse to get some new gun control legislation on the floor of the Congress.

These victims have fallen and are suffering because of the evil acts of a deranged madman who could have carried out his destruction even if bump-stocks were not available under ATF’s approval. He would have found another way.

Don’t blame bump-stocks, don’t blame ATF, don’t blame anybody but the evil people who perpetrated this crime. No law, no regulation stops those with evil in their hearts.

The frantic cries from antagonists who want to take your freedom are intended to stampede you and Congress into supporting more gun control.

But it doesn’t stop there. Is it not clear to you that, just like the media, some members of the NRA Board are misinterpreting what the NRA has said?

Additionally, there are “Trojan horse members” who are deliberately misinterpreting what the NRA has said. Just like having an (R) after your name doesn’t make you a conservative Republican, having an NRA membership card doesn’t make you an honest member.

Be very careful of anti-NRA people claiming to have many supporters who are merely standing in a hall of mirrors and seeing their own reflections. Don’t be fooled.

This fight is not about the personal financial interests of NRA Board members. This fight should not be used by any individual Board member to attack NRA as a means elevate their own popularity with dissidents and “Trojan horse members.”

This particular fight is about following existing law. If you don’t believe that bump-stocks convert semi-autos to full-autos then you have not seen what I have seen. While the conversion may be reversible by removing and replacing the device, it none less makes a semi-auto perform like a full-auto when installed.

We do not need new legislation, we do not need new regulation, we simply need ATF to review it’s previous approval and enforce existing law. That’s what NRA said.That will render bump-stocks irrelevant. There is no need for Congress to be stampeded into doing anything else. No matter how you twist it, or what your own personal agenda may be, the NRA has not compromised.

If ATF won’t do it on its own, President Trump should order ATF to review it’s ruling made under the Obama administration.

We should stand united. We need to enforce existing law. We don’t need any new gun control legislation. Any member of Congress who wants to sacrifice more of our freedom under the pretense of providing safety should know that we don’t forgive the betrayal of freedom or the Second Amendment and we won’t give a wink and a nod to political eye wash as a substitute for backbone.

The only legislation we need to see on the floor of Congress right now is carry reciprocity and elimination of suppressor regulations.

Marion Hammer

There. Explain that away. Or just admit you would be first in line if the NRA was passing out cock flavored lollipops.
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Except you lie.  They opposed a ban from the start.  You are sowing dissent in the gun owner community and helping the 100% anti-gun enemy.

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What about a direct quite from a board member that is paid $300,000 of member's money a year?

"The “bump-stock” device, used by the killer in the Las Vegas shooting, converts a semi-auto rifle to a full-auto rifle." -Marion Hammer

Will that not do for you?

You think I twisted her words or maybe took them from an old letter from years ago?

Fine.

Full text:

DATE:   October 9, 2017
TO:       My Fellow Board & Council Members & Friends
FROM:  Marion Hammer, NRA past president
RE:       Misinformation and Distortion Anger Me

In 1934 the first federal gun control law in America was passed. The National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA) became the law of the land. The NRA was asleep at the switch. Most of us hadn’t even been born then. It is not of our making but like all good, honest, law-abiding Americans, the NRA obeys the law. The NFA regulates fully-automatic firearms and has done so for 83 years.

The “bump-stock” device, used by the killer in the Las Vegas shooting, converts a semi-auto rifle to a full-auto rifle. Anyone who has ever used a bump-stock or watched a video demonstrating its use, can only conclude that it is a converter.

If you listened to an audio recording of the shooting during that horrific massacre, you must have concluded that it was full-auto fire. You were not alone, many firearms experts and law enforcement professionals came to the same conclusion. It was not until later that information was released disclosing that bump-stocks had been used to convert semi-automatic firearms to perform like full-auto firearms.

In spite of the seemingly noble reason the manufacturer claims for developing it, the bump-stock circumvents federal law. Regardless of the quality and reliability or lack thereof of this device – it converts a semi-auto to full-auto when installed.

Do you have any idea how many people were shocked out of their minds when ATF decided bump-stocks were not subject to regulation and APPROVED them for sale and use? That was under the Obama administration for crying out loud. Your mind is forced to run wild wondering why.

Once the ruling was made, what would you expect NRA to do? Do you think NRA should have said, Oh! No, ATF is wrong, ATF made a mistake?

It doesn’t matter what laws the NRA doesn’t agree with or doesn’t like, the NRA must abide by the law. For decades, over and over again when the enemies of the Second Amendment have tried to capitalize on tragedies by calling for more gun control, NRA has called for enforcing existing law. That is exactly what we are doing now.

Make no mistake, the NRA has NOT cleared the way for more regulation. If it were not for ATF’s wink and nod to the manufacturer of the bump-stock, it would already be regulated under federal law. NRA has tossed it back into ATF’s lap where it belongs. NRA has not agreed to any new legislation nor has NRA said we agree with any existing NFA legislation. NRA has not agreed to a ban. NRA has not agreed to anything. NRA simply insists upon enforcing existing law.

The enemies freedom and the Second Amendment are spewing hysteria from the podiums they have planted in the blood of innocent victims. These anti-Second Amendment heretics are using these victims as their stalking horse to get some new gun control legislation on the floor of the Congress.

These victims have fallen and are suffering because of the evil acts of a deranged madman who could have carried out his destruction even if bump-stocks were not available under ATF’s approval. He would have found another way.

Don’t blame bump-stocks, don’t blame ATF, don’t blame anybody but the evil people who perpetrated this crime. No law, no regulation stops those with evil in their hearts.

The frantic cries from antagonists who want to take your freedom are intended to stampede you and Congress into supporting more gun control.

But it doesn’t stop there. Is it not clear to you that, just like the media, some members of the NRA Board are misinterpreting what the NRA has said?

Additionally, there are “Trojan horse members” who are deliberately misinterpreting what the NRA has said. Just like having an (R) after your name doesn’t make you a conservative Republican, having an NRA membership card doesn’t make you an honest member.

Be very careful of anti-NRA people claiming to have many supporters who are merely standing in a hall of mirrors and seeing their own reflections. Don’t be fooled.

This fight is not about the personal financial interests of NRA Board members. This fight should not be used by any individual Board member to attack NRA as a means elevate their own popularity with dissidents and “Trojan horse members.”

This particular fight is about following existing law. If you don’t believe that bump-stocks convert semi-autos to full-autos then you have not seen what I have seen. While the conversion may be reversible by removing and replacing the device, it none less makes a semi-auto perform like a full-auto when installed.

We do not need new legislation, we do not need new regulation, we simply need ATF to review it’s previous approval and enforce existing law. That’s what NRA said.That will render bump-stocks irrelevant. There is no need for Congress to be stampeded into doing anything else. No matter how you twist it, or what your own personal agenda may be, the NRA has not compromised.

If ATF won’t do it on its own, President Trump should order ATF to review it’s ruling made under the Obama administration.

We should stand united. We need to enforce existing law. We don’t need any new gun control legislation. Any member of Congress who wants to sacrifice more of our freedom under the pretense of providing safety should know that we don’t forgive the betrayal of freedom or the Second Amendment and we won’t give a wink and a nod to political eye wash as a substitute for backbone.

The only legislation we need to see on the floor of Congress right now is carry reciprocity and elimination of suppressor regulations.

Marion Hammer

There. Explain that away. Or just admit you would be first in line if the NRA was passing out cock flavored lollipops.
Just disengage from SWIRE and TheBeeKeeper1. It's not worth it.
Link Posted: 12/19/2018 3:38:58 PM EDT
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Im going to try to make it as well.

Where can i get those F the NRA shirts anyone got a link ??
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F the NRA is advertising for the left. We need to differentiate.

A better shirt might be:

"I am the NRA... and the leadership SUCKS"

or something. Ideas?
Link Posted: 12/19/2018 3:40:01 PM EDT
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FUCKING CAT LADY NEEDS TO GO

WAYNE LA PUCKER NEEDS TO GO
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LMAO

With her picture.
Link Posted: 12/19/2018 3:40:24 PM EDT
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So many want the NRA to be aggressive and take risks to advance the Second Amendment.

Trump was that risk and it was a mistake.

Trump is a gun banner.

Stand with the NRA. Judge Trump by what he does vs. the historic level complete BULLSHIT he claimed during the campaign.

All the other RINOs would have just done the same old lip service while allowing the Second to erode.

Trump promised an absolute shit ton of WIN (we'd be tired of it) and then TOTALLY BLEW IT OFF LIKE HE NEVER SAID IT.

NRA took a calculated risk in the hopes of HUGE wins. That hasn't happened but that is on Paul Ryan, and the most recent ban on DONALD TRUMP.

Trump has never stopped pissing off the MSM and the r establishment, often for no good reason at all.

If you truly want to preserve the Second Amendment, trashing the NRA is INSANE.
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Reagan is a gun banner.
Link Posted: 12/19/2018 3:44:00 PM EDT
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Hey look, another low post count 13er starting anti-NRA threads.  Dem lurkers really phone it in these days.
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Just so we’re clear. Can I mark you down for ‘definely supports turning law abiding citizens into felons?’

Or maybe ‘sets a great precedent for future [insert weapon/accessory/product] bans?’
Link Posted: 12/19/2018 3:44:04 PM EDT
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Tone deaf and full of it. They got exactly what they asked for and then just yesterday say they are "disappointed" with PDJT's ruling. They asked him for "regulation" and they got it. Fighting for what, more regulation. Helped make the ban happen in 86' as well.
Link Posted: 12/19/2018 3:44:43 PM EDT
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Reagan is a gun banner.
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Dukakis would have been worse. Reagan did not have an active hostile "special prosecutor" going after everyone in his life. The NRA suggesting the Chamberlainesque "bumpstock compromise" is without precedent.

NRA leadership is no longer in alignment with the organizations stated mission.
Link Posted: 12/19/2018 3:47:23 PM EDT
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When was the last time Planned Parenthood demanded further restrictions on abortions?

When was the last time Mothers Demand Action demanded that NICS should go away?

When was the last time the Brady Foundation demanded action to make handguns more accessible?

Fucking never, that's when.
Link Posted: 12/19/2018 3:49:02 PM EDT
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Trump was that risk and it was a mistake.
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hey... you should stay and try to defend the nra in your other thread

https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Should-the-NRA-oppose-Trump-or-try-to-get-along-with-him-so-it-can-moderate-further-gun-control-/5-2176360/

you know, the one that didn't go the way you thought it would, you nevertrumper....
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I'm not telling you what to do.  But for me, I'm not a quitter.  Maybe we could finally get NRA straightened out if more like minded folks, such as you and I, worked together from within to fix that clusterfuck, instead of running away like a pissy pants little bitch.

Pain is temporary, giving up is forever.
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Link Posted: 12/19/2018 3:54:02 PM EDT
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I am so looking forward to the begging for $ campaign from the NRA this year
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Im going to try to make it as well.

Where can i get those F the NRA shirts anyone got a link ??
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I'm going to have a few choice words for the NRA stooges that try to foist memberships for free admission to the Nation's Gun Show. I usually don't go but I'm making a special trip.

In case any others here are of like mind.

DECEMBER 28, 29 & 30, 2018  |  DULLES EXPO CENTER Chantilly, Virginia


I'm betting they won't even set-up.
Im going to try to make it as well.

Where can i get those F the NRA shirts anyone got a link ??
That’s sounds like fun, but it’s probably going to be too cold to ride my bike up there.
Link Posted: 12/19/2018 4:00:12 PM EDT
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F the NRA is advertising for the left. We need to differentiate.

A better shirt might be:

"I am the NRA... and the leadership SUCKS"

or something. Ideas?
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True, good idea. Mac had some that he wore. But my google fuu is weak.
Link Posted: 12/19/2018 4:00:36 PM EDT
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FUCKING CAT LADY NEEDS TO GO

WAYNE LA PUCKER NEEDS TO GO
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If you truly want to preserve the Second Amendment, trashing the NRA is INSANE.
FUCKING CAT LADY NEEDS TO GO

WAYNE LA PUCKER NEEDS TO GO
Marion needs the Hammer without question.
Link Posted: 12/19/2018 4:02:35 PM EDT
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Reagan is a gun banner.
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So many want the NRA to be aggressive and take risks to advance the Second Amendment.

Trump was that risk and it was a mistake.

Trump is a gun banner.

Stand with the NRA. Judge Trump by what he does vs. the historic level complete BULLSHIT he claimed during the campaign.

All the other RINOs would have just done the same old lip service while allowing the Second to erode.

Trump promised an absolute shit ton of WIN (we'd be tired of it) and then TOTALLY BLEW IT OFF LIKE HE NEVER SAID IT.

NRA took a calculated risk in the hopes of HUGE wins. That hasn't happened but that is on Paul Ryan, and the most recent ban on DONALD TRUMP.

Trump has never stopped pissing off the MSM and the r establishment, often for no good reason at all.

If you truly want to preserve the Second Amendment, trashing the NRA is INSANE.
Reagan is a gun banner.
Reagan was a couple years from Alzheimers and stood with the NRA after being shot and nearly dying.

Reagan was a literal Founding Father compared the Orange porn porker.

Trump is a lying sack of shit and this entire debacle is based on his total lack of reliability, predictabilty or honesty.
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What was Wayne’s stance on that?
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LOL, you donated to the NRA before.  You have no idea why the cooler is even an issue...which means you know nothing about the NRA.

You are just another one trying to sow dissent in the gun owning community, getting people to abandon pro-gun organizations, and to participate less.  You are working to help the 100% anti-gun enemy.
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As a NRA member even I believe they fucked up.

What is the NRAs plan to fight the upcoming bumpstock ban?

Surely they will support gun owners and fight for us right?
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I’m not quitting, I’m looking for a better way.
You can stare up a cliff all day long, I’ll find a way around.
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and sickle

Russian Commissar Photoshop?

Put her in to replace the famous "vanishing commissar"

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Reagan was a couple years from Alzheimers and stood with the NRA after being shot and nearly dying.

Reagan was a literal Founding Father compared the Orange porn porker.

Trump is a lying sack of shit and this entire debacle is based on his total lack of reliability, predictabilty or honesty.
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"Orange porn porker"?

Your DU card is showing.

ETA: sorry your Jeb! lost
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I'll just leave this here

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Finally, The NRA is taking meaningful action on a matter of great importance.........................oh wait.
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I’m not quitting, I’m looking for a better way.
You can stare up a cliff all day long, I’ll find a way around.
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I’m not quitting, I’m looking for a better way.
You can stare up a cliff all day long, I’ll find a way around.
that's the beauty of teamwork I guess.  When/if you find it, make sure to let me know so I can join you. Until then I'll keep trying to climb it
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I'll just leave this here

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Thanks
Link Posted: 12/19/2018 4:22:01 PM EDT
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You used post 100 to express your extreme concern.  That was courageous.  Your concern is noted.
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Fightin for muh Rights!

So glad we have an official cooler of the NRA. Bunch of useless assholes. Seem’s like a fitting thing to post when everyone is already questioning their commitment to the cause.
You used post 100 to express your extreme concern.  That was courageous.  Your concern is noted.
Well shit man; if he's simply a concern troll, shouldn't you ban him?
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Dukakis would have been worse. Reagan did not have an active hostile "special prosecutor" going after everyone in his life. The NRA suggesting the Chamberlainesque "bumpstock compromise" is without precedent.

NRA leadership is no longer in alignment with the organizations stated mission.
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Reagan is a gun banner.
Dukakis would have been worse. Reagan did not have an active hostile "special prosecutor" going after everyone in his life. The NRA suggesting the Chamberlainesque "bumpstock compromise" is without precedent.

NRA leadership is no longer in alignment with the organizations stated mission.
I know. Comment isnt directed at you.
Link Posted: 12/19/2018 4:23:26 PM EDT
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Yeah, the NRA is fucking up. We need to vote out pretty much the whole damn board.

Speaking of tone deaf, the guys who were rabidly pro Trump in the primaries who brushed aside any concerns about his pro gun bonafides, who are now busy in this thread and others tearing down the NRA as if they were the ones who directed the ATF to act on bumpstocks are as fucking clueless as the NRA social media team.
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The Cato Institute stuff is the most encouraging to me.

NRA seems to have been co-opted. There is no explaination for their bizarre behavior.
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A lot of us called it when they appointed the Oliver North --Fox news contributor, Reagan bag man, noted supporter of the 94 AWB, and RNC fundraiser/speaker-- to speak for the organization.

If you want to help the RNC, donate to the RNC; that's all the NRA seems to be good for anymore (besides the valuable sport shooting & training stuff they do, which has nothing to do with protecting our rights)
Link Posted: 12/19/2018 4:29:23 PM EDT
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Ya'll wanna hear tone deaf;

NSSF sent out an email blast today pleading for us to contact Cruz about the Sportsmans' Bill 2018, which appears to open some federal hunting lands and allow crossbow use in national parks

That's all well & good, but a comically misplaced priority, and very, very telling considering they didn't lift a finger in objection to industry member Slidefire being driven out of business by the bump stock ban, and in fact supported Trump's abuse of power against accessory manufacturers.  That's like double tone-deaf
Link Posted: 12/19/2018 4:29:46 PM EDT
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Reagan was a couple years from Alzheimers and stood with the NRA after being shot and nearly dying.

Reagan was a literal Founding Father compared the Orange porn porker.

Trump is a lying sack of shit and this entire debacle is based on his total lack of reliability, predictabilty or honesty.
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So many want the NRA to be aggressive and take risks to advance the Second Amendment.

Trump was that risk and it was a mistake.

Trump is a gun banner.

Stand with the NRA. Judge Trump by what he does vs. the historic level complete BULLSHIT he claimed during the campaign.

All the other RINOs would have just done the same old lip service while allowing the Second to erode.

Trump promised an absolute shit ton of WIN (we'd be tired of it) and then TOTALLY BLEW IT OFF LIKE HE NEVER SAID IT.

NRA took a calculated risk in the hopes of HUGE wins. That hasn't happened but that is on Paul Ryan, and the most recent ban on DONALD TRUMP.

Trump has never stopped pissing off the MSM and the r establishment, often for no good reason at all.

If you truly want to preserve the Second Amendment, trashing the NRA is INSANE.
Reagan is a gun banner.
Reagan was a couple years from Alzheimers and stood with the NRA after being shot and nearly dying.

Reagan was a literal Founding Father compared the Orange porn porker.

Trump is a lying sack of shit and this entire debacle is based on his total lack of reliability, predictabilty or honesty.
Reagan also signed Amnesty, supported Democrats, increased government spending.

But thanks for playing. This really isn't about the 2A for you is it? It's about Trump.

Doing the same shit Reagan did. But that was all ok, because you bought his Make American Great Again populist tripe.

Enjoy the afternoon NeverTrumper.
Link Posted: 12/19/2018 4:30:43 PM EDT
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What has GOA actually accomplished?
Link Posted: 12/19/2018 4:31:37 PM EDT
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When was the last time Planned Parenthood demanded further restrictions on abortions?

When was the last time Mothers Demand Action demanded that NICS should go away?

When was the last time the Brady Foundation demanded action to make handguns more accessible?

Fucking never, that's when.
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When was the last time democrats attacked any of their liberal organizations and told everyone to boycott them because they did something their membership didn't adore?
Link Posted: 12/19/2018 4:32:26 PM EDT
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Reagan also signed Amnesty, supported Democrats, increased government spending.

But thanks for playing. This really isn't about the 2A for you is it? It's about Trump.

Doing the same shit Reagan did. But that was all ok, because you bought his Make American Great Again populist tripe.

Enjoy the afternoon NeverTrumper.
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So many want the NRA to be aggressive and take risks to advance the Second Amendment.

Trump was that risk and it was a mistake.

Trump is a gun banner.

Stand with the NRA. Judge Trump by what he does vs. the historic level complete BULLSHIT he claimed during the campaign.

All the other RINOs would have just done the same old lip service while allowing the Second to erode.

Trump promised an absolute shit ton of WIN (we'd be tired of it) and then TOTALLY BLEW IT OFF LIKE HE NEVER SAID IT.

NRA took a calculated risk in the hopes of HUGE wins. That hasn't happened but that is on Paul Ryan, and the most recent ban on DONALD TRUMP.

Trump has never stopped pissing off the MSM and the r establishment, often for no good reason at all.

If you truly want to preserve the Second Amendment, trashing the NRA is INSANE.
Reagan is a gun banner.
Reagan was a couple years from Alzheimers and stood with the NRA after being shot and nearly dying.

Reagan was a literal Founding Father compared the Orange porn porker.

Trump is a lying sack of shit and this entire debacle is based on his total lack of reliability, predictabilty or honesty.
Reagan also signed Amnesty, supported Democrats, increased government spending.

But thanks for playing. This really isn't about the 2A for you is it? It's about Trump.

Doing the same shit Reagan did. But that was all ok, because you bought his Make American Great Again populist tripe.

Enjoy the afternoon NeverTrumper.
Trump is a gun banner and you seem to be here to trash the NRA.

Fuck your orange porn porker. He is a lying sack of shit and will sign MORE gun control if he isn't impeached first.

Trump will likely trade away our gun rights to keep himself from impeachment, then get impeached anyway.
Link Posted: 12/19/2018 4:33:55 PM EDT
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There's a perfectly simple explanation.

Donations were down because we held Congress and the Senate and had a President that said the assault on our rights was over.

They sacrificed the novelty of bump stocks to manufacture a crisis hoping their majority of unplugged members wouldn't notice, so they could beat the war drum in the next letter campaign.
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The Cato Institute stuff is the most encouraging to me.

NRA seems to have been co-opted. There is no explaination for their bizarre behavior.
There's a perfectly simple explanation.

Donations were down because we held Congress and the Senate and had a President that said the assault on our rights was over.

They sacrificed the novelty of bump stocks to manufacture a crisis hoping their majority of unplugged members wouldn't notice, so they could beat the war drum in the next letter campaign.
That, and they've consistently been opposed to 'scary' guns, and machine guns specifically, since the very beginning.  Knox more or less forced them to embrace black plastic, and the 1994 AWB they were also forced to oppose cajoled them into embracing the AR15.  They've been forced kicking & screaming into supporting practically every aspect of shooting they do support, apart from High Power bolt rifle competition and Bullseye revolver shooting.
Link Posted: 12/19/2018 4:33:59 PM EDT
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https://www.saf.org/

Actually fights to protect the 2nd
Link Posted: 12/19/2018 4:36:44 PM EDT
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The destruction of the NRA (despite its need for reform) is a bigger win for leftists than the new lawless executive edict process.

The NRA's comment to the regulation on bumpstocks should be tacked, IMHO.

NRA's rep is getting destroyed and that is a HUGE win for the wrong people.

A must read for any present or former NRA member

Attacking the NRA is equivalent to running when the line breaks and being cut down by the "cavalry" of the leftist banners.

Hold the line. I know it's nearly corny but I don't think many people know what NRA said IN WRITING BEFORE this insane felony-penalty destruction order.
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Politics isn't warfare; cutting & running is far, far more damaging for politics than it is in battle.  You don't get to "live to fight another day," people stop listening to you...forever.
Link Posted: 12/19/2018 4:36:55 PM EDT
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When was the last time democrats attacked any of their liberal organizations and told everyone to boycott them because they did something their membership didn't adore?
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When was the last time Planned Parenthood demanded further restrictions on abortions?

When was the last time Mothers Demand Action demanded that NICS should go away?

When was the last time the Brady Foundation demanded action to make handguns more accessible?

Fucking never, that's when.
When was the last time democrats attacked any of their liberal organizations and told everyone to boycott them because they did something their membership didn't adore?
When was the last time a liberal organization did something their membership didn't adore
Link Posted: 12/19/2018 4:42:36 PM EDT
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For you Instagram guys, stroll over to NRA spokesman Colion Noir’s feed. He also hasn’t said shit and is being absolutely roasted.

The irony of him hocking his #Advocate branded HKs is laughable.
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Except you lie.  They opposed a ban from the start.  You are sowing dissent in the gun owner community and helping the 100% anti-gun enemy.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/680/nra_JPG-777814.JPG

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Yes, let's get the record straight about that.  What they said BEFORE.

Seems like they got exactly what they wanted.
Except you lie.  They opposed a ban from the start.  You are sowing dissent in the gun owner community and helping the 100% anti-gun enemy.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/680/nra_JPG-777814.JPG

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What % anti-gun is the NRA?  Technically speaking, of course.  Gotta know what % to reduce my donations by, after all.
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I lie?  I'm posting exactly what they said from their own fucking websites.

You are correct, I'm sowing dissent.  I'm absolutely sowing dissent.  And I will continue to sow dissent in the NRA daily, on every platform I'm able, because it's time to fucking dissent.
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Except you lie.  They opposed a ban from the start.  You are sowing dissent in the gun owner community and helping the 100% anti-gun enemy.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/680/nra_JPG-777814.JPG

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I lie?  I'm posting exactly what they said from their own fucking websites.

You are correct, I'm sowing dissent.  I'm absolutely sowing dissent.  And I will continue to sow dissent in the NRA daily, on every platform I'm able, because it's time to fucking dissent.
Link Posted: 12/19/2018 4:45:32 PM EDT
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Trump is a gun banner and you seem to be here to trash the NRA.

Fuck your orange porn porker. He is a lying sack of shit and will sign MORE gun control if he isn't impeached first.

Trump will likely trade away our gun rights to keep himself from impeachment, then get impeached anyway.
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Sorry your Kasich lost

Is Trump right? Watch John Kasich eating pancakes, sandwiches and spaghetti
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