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Posted: 6/28/2023 2:52:27 PM EDT
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If only.....................
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Posted: 6/28/2023 2:56:42 PM EDT
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Holy shit. It was drilled for 18 bolts, but they only used 17 because the top one was hard to get to?
Call me crazy.. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 2:57:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It may not be perfectly round anymore but it's still a Titanium ring.  That's more than you can say for the CF hull. If there's a recognizable piece of CF recovered thus far I've failed to see it. I think there is a piece shown around the 1:30 mark in the raw video. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 2:57:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy shit. It was drilled for 18 bolts, but they only used 17 because the top one was hard to get to? Call me crazy..  |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 2:58:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Vitus/ Alan screw and glue? I have seen those frames fail in a bad way. Same and talk about flexible crap. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 2:58:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy shit. It was drilled for 18 bolts, but they only used 17 because the top one was hard to get to? Call me crazy.. Man, where do you want to start with what was wrong with the Sub? lol |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 3:02:35 PM EDT
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If the porthole failed I don’t see how the sub would get destroyed. The porthole isnt a structural component holding the sub intact. Suspect it would just rapidly equalize pressure and sink.
The pieces pulled certainly look like what you’d expect if the CF hull failed. That CF hull was definitely the most sketchy component. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 3:04:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Man, where do you want to start with what was wrong with the Sub? lol Meh. You're hundreds of miles from the coast in thousands of feet of water and you drop your only 6"x3/8" ratchet extension overboard, and don't have a stepladder. Let he who has never ran a 5-hole wheel on 4 lug nuts cast the first stone. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 3:05:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the porthole failed I don’t see how the sub would get destroyed. The porthole isnt a structural component holding the sub intact. Suspect it would just rapidly equalize pressure and sink. The pieces pulled certainly look like what you’d expect if the CF hull failed. That CF hull was definitely the most sketchy component. The huge chunks of metal, including the nose with the porthole the five men would have used to see the Titanic, were unloaded from the Horizon Arctic ship at the Canadian Coast Guard pier in St John's, Newfoundland, Canada, this morning. It looks like the porthole dome is missing. 
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Posted: 6/28/2023 3:11:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryPorthole could have easily blown out from the CF tube imploding. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 3:11:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want to see if any carbon fiber is still connected to the rings There was one picture of a ring beling loweredby crane, and if there was any CF in that channel, it wasnt sticking out So that glue bond must have failed completely |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 3:13:43 PM EDT
[#12]
This Stockton Rush guy is /was a piece of shit.
Fucking conman. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 3:14:13 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There was one picture of a ring beling loweredby crane, and if there was any CF in that channel, it wasnt sticking out So that glue bond must have failed completely Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I want to see if any carbon fiber is still connected to the rings There was one picture of a ring beling loweredby crane, and if there was any CF in that channel, it wasnt sticking out So that glue bond must have failed completely |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 3:20:10 PM EDT
[#14]
And I'm a broken sub on a Halifax pier...
The last of Stockton's science seers! |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 3:28:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Man, where do you want to start with what was wrong with the Sub? lol Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Holy shit. It was drilled for 18 bolts, but they only used 17 because the top one was hard to get to? Call me crazy.. Man, where do you want to start with what was wrong with the Sub? lol I think it speaks to the culture of caution and safety with the crew and company. They had little appreciation or reverence for the risk involved. Skipping placing a bolt because it was hard to get to is like the most flippant attitude you could have I think. That's just the cherry on top of windows not rated for depth, expired carbon fiber, using carbon fiber hull in the first place, etc. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 3:47:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it speaks to the culture of caution and safety with the crew and company. They had little appreciation or reverence for the risk involved. Skipping placing a bolt because it was hard to get to is like the most flippant attitude you could have I think. That's just the cherry on top of windows not rated for depth, expired carbon fiber, using carbon fiber hull in the first place, etc. Yeah, and Rush complained about Safety being a waste. Saying we might as well just lay in beds and do nothing. Real explorers accept risks, but they mitigate it as much as they can. Doing a ton of "boring" emergency drills, multiple systems redundancy, thorough testing and certifications. If you die, at least it was something unforseen. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 4:14:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy shit. It was drilled for 18 bolts, but they only used 17 because the top one was hard to get to? Call me crazy.. I did that on a transmission pan once. Figured one missing bolt wouldn't hurt. Well all the fluid leaked out.
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Posted: 6/28/2023 4:21:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I did that on a transmission pan once. Figured one missing bolt wouldn't hurt. Well all the fluid leaked out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Holy shit. It was drilled for 18 bolts, but they only used 17 because the top one was hard to get to? Call me crazy.. I did that on a transmission pan once. Figured one missing bolt wouldn't hurt. Well all the fluid leaked out.  once. I had a few spare parts left over.Thing still ran. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 4:21:51 PM EDT
[#19]
 Diversity Didn't Destroy OceanGate's Sub; Libertarianism Did |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 4:24:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/28/2023 4:27:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI'm not watching that crap. Cliffs notes? |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 4:34:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy shit. It was drilled for 18 bolts, but they only used 17 because the top one was hard to get to? Call me crazy.. Well, would you rather have 18 bolts that could fail, or 17? Less bolts, less likely there will be a bolt that fails. sheesh. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 4:40:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I did that on a transmission pan once. Figured one missing bolt wouldn't hurt. Well all the fluid leaked out. When I changed the clutch on my car it was noted many people don’t bother putting in the bolt at the top of the bell housing back in because it’s such a bitch. There’s no f’in way I’d even do something like that on my car. I not only put that bolt back in but also managed to get a torque wrench on it. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 4:44:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I did that on a transmission pan once. Figured one missing bolt wouldn't hurt. Well all the fluid leaked out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Holy shit. It was drilled for 18 bolts, but they only used 17 because the top one was hard to get to? Call me crazy.. I did that on a transmission pan once. Figured one missing bolt wouldn't hurt. Well all the fluid leaked out. The difference here is the pressure is on the outside. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 4:58:00 PM EDT
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All deep submersibles still use the sphere. James Cameron's Deep Sea Challenger used it. He said the rest of his submersible squeezed in 2" inches at the bottom of Challenger deep.
  
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Posted: 6/28/2023 5:11:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Boom, there it is. Poof. Quote HistoryQuoted: Boom, there it is. Poof. I don't see that. The entire viewport frame is gone, which was bolted on.  The pressure delta would have been keeping that frame in place. I suspect the bolts sheared off during some phase of the implosion, in the same manner the bolts holding the endcaps to the titanium rings appeared to have sheared off. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 5:15:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/28/2023 5:16:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 3D printed Titan replica https://files.cults3d.com/uploaders/18857917/illustration-file/4232270a-3f76-4db2-815f-5ec89857fd17/IMG_4823.jpg https://files.cults3d.com/uploaders/18857917/illustration-file/f4f82d33-1b84-4455-9cc0-ef5ae85e9fb5/IMG_4833.jpg https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/art/titan-submersible-replica Sub looks good. Poor job on the “replica” controller. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 5:17:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/28/2023 5:17:55 PM EDT
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A thourough accident ivestigatin they normally report a cacade of failures along the way where someone or something could have stopped it. This time pretty clear it started at the top, CEO down.
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Posted: 6/28/2023 5:17:58 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If the CF tube failed, those hemispheres had something like 15 million pounds of force applied to them (briefly) as the interior volume was compressed. Windows popping out and bolts shearing seem like an expected result given that the design was intended to keep pressure out, not in. This is where bringing back all the parts the inspectors should be able to tell if all the bolts were sheared off by pressure from the inside or just a few mangled from the porthole blowing up. My bet is also with the tube itself but based on some of the other sketchy stuff that has been discovered I wouldn't be shocked if they used flex seal for any wiring that might have been used through the back titanium dome. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 5:28:52 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh. You're hundreds of miles from the coast in thousands of feet of water and you drop your only 6"x3/8" ratchet extension overboard, and don't have a stepladder. Let he who has never ran a 5-hole wheel on 4 lug nuts cast the first stone. I would just like to add, for $250k they better have a few spare wrench's/sockets to get me the fuck out of that thing..... ..........after someone held a gun to my head to get on it to start with |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 5:31:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/28/2023 5:34:06 PM EDT
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Looking at the ti flange I don't see any deformation of the inner ring. Had the carbon fiber to failed I would expect to see the inner ring of that flange deformed and flattened over.
What I do see is traces of whatever the epoxy resin was that bonded the carbon fiber tube to the titanium flange. In my experience the bonded joint is always the weakest joint, once water pressure begins to delaminate the joint it's all over and when you consider the fact that the adhesive probably could not withstand the compression and expansion cycles it most likely delaminated from the titanium ring itself. I would guess under the force of the implosion it probably snapped all the bolts between the flanges and titanium domes to include the flange that bolted into porthole window |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 5:38:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't see that. The entire viewport frame is gone, which was bolted on. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/375298/titan-viewport-1-2866838.jpg The pressure delta would have been keeping that frame in place. I suspect the bolts sheared off during some phase of the implosion, in the same manner the bolts holding the endcaps to the titanium rings appeared to have sheared off. OK - lets think about this. The pressure from whatever failure happened was an implosion, followed by an explosion as the pressure waves passed through each other. If was the carbon fiber failing somewhere near the middles, where it had the least support, both endcaps would have experienced a massive pulse of pressure on their inside face. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 5:41:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rebecca Watson is a cunt Yep. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 6:01:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don’t show up to a compression fight with tension. 9 words nailed it Well done |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 6:05:25 PM EDT
[#38]
Video with some better angles
 Recovered Titanic sub debris arrives in Canada, video shows |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 6:09:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/28/2023 6:09:42 PM EDT
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Why didn't Stockton Rush go full retard and make the entire thing out of CF? CF tank heads / end caps or even do a monolithic design where it's one CF vessel. Make the mandrel out of wax.
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Posted: 6/28/2023 6:15:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy fuck. Yeah that whole thing reeks of half-assed. The reason why the CEO didn’t want 50 year old white guys around was they’d ask too many questions and give technical reasons what they were doing was negligence. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 6:16:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI really wonder if they wanted to hid the stuff why not stick it in container(s) and then just pick that up and lift it straight on a flatbed. I will say one of the titanium rings in that video looks "way out of tolerance" but maybe the camera angle made it appear that way. I also notice that both titanium domes separated from the titanium rings and really no carbon fiber is in either ring. My gut feeling leans more to the center of the carbon fiber hull collapsed and both ends got blown off with extreme prejudice but maybe some things were slightly damaged from removal at the bottom of the ocean. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 6:30:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not watching that crap. Cliffs notes? She is a flaming liberal who detests conservatives. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 6:32:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Vitus/ Alan screw and glue? I have seen those frames fail in a bad way. A few years ago I was walking around in Madrid and saw a Vitus or Alan chained to a pole. Probably somebodies daily ride. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 6:36:59 PM EDT
[#45]
ABC just said they found human remains.
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Posted: 6/28/2023 6:39:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ABC just said they found human remains. Bringing up a bucket of chum, I’d guess. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 6:41:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: She is a flaming liberal who detests conservatives. I clicked the link....then she defended the DEI stuff saying she had proof that conservatives are falsely claiming this was a DEI clusterfuck. Then goes on to say how DEI in colleges is a good thing and she has proof. I thought about checking to see if comments were on but decided against checking probably getting my youtube account fucked.... 
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Posted: 6/28/2023 6:42:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ABC just said they found human remains. Did they find the whale that ate the shrimp that ate the microbes that ate most of the bodies? |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 6:43:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ABC just said they found human remains. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 6:43:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bringing up a bucket of chum, I’d guess. That, a ring finger that got caught on something, or a fingernail/bone embedded in the inside one of the parts removed. |
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