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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:00:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If they lost power, managed to dump ballast, and surface with no coms they could have suffocated on the surface since the thing doesn't have a hatch. Plausible or not? After watching the video of them assembling the thing and reading the court case my current theory is it imploded/flooded due to fatigue when they lost contact ~2 hours in. I doubt they did anything much to inspect that shitbox between dives. If the damn viewport was only rated for 1300 meters I have serious doubts that thing ever even had 96 hours worth of air onboard. If it did it was probably on the assumption all the electrical/systems were working to keep scrubbers and everything else going. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:00:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sooo... moving on. Who should star in the made for TV documentary about this company? Seth Rogan. *awkward stoner laugh* heh heh man I think the controllers fucked up heh heh |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:02:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: O2 Time 0:00 RIP Personally I think the crew might already be dead, but from something else. (I.E. sub imploded) I hope either way the sub is recovered, ideally with the crew still alive. The whole expedition seems like Darwin Award material to me, mainly due to the lack of failsafes/emergency systems on the submarine. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:02:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought they tracked this thing from the surface with side scan sonar completely through the mission. That’s how they let the crew know where to drive the thing to end up at the right spot. I keep hearing they lost comms with the sub but no one brings up the side scan tracking. Even with no comms they should know exactly where it is via the side scan sonar tracking. If the ship lost the tracking via sonar AND the comms at the same time then it likely imploded. What an I missing here? What you’re missing is that it’s beginning to look like there were reasons they didn’t show all their cards early on. They let the world assume there were basic failsafes in place, like an emergency tracking system. Apparently there never was. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:04:43 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:06:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sooo... moving on. Who should star in the made for TV documentary about this company? Gotta fit Morgan Freeman in there somewhere: As the smart black guy, who says they needed some smart 50yr old white guys. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:09:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sooo... moving on. Who should star in the made for TV documentary about this company?  Michael Drives Into A Lake - The Office US |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:10:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Plot twist: the trouble was not caused by the shortcuts taken in building the sub but by an unrelated external factor such as getting tangled in a fishing net, snagged on the titanic, suicidal passenger, etc. ocean gate is vindicated when they find the sub and they continue building tin cans and people continue paying for rides. They were 1 hour 45 minutes or so into the dive when they lost comms. Pretty deep for a fishing net. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:12:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: so one hour away from 0% Oxygen.  Sitting in 36o F ambient temps with light clothing and maybe a bottle of water for 96 hours? Your dead. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:12:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It could be worse. You could see a giant pair of tonsils as it is swallowing you.. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Imagine power failure and you sink. Pitch black and it's cold. Someone powers up their cell phone flashlight app and you just see a giant eye (or eyes) out the single window. It could be worse. You could see a giant pair of tonsils as it is swallowing you.. Wrong side of the world. It wasn't near Japan. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:13:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s highly illogical. An inside temperature of 32-34 degrees for more than 5 minutes is something you dress for. You don’t wear shorts and flip flops for 10 hours at those temps. One way or the other that report isn’t correct. Either the inside temps are higher or they wear more clothes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A guy who's been on the submersible said the inside temp of the sub is around 32-34 degrees when they are down at the Titanic. Outside water temp is around 29 degrees. People usually wearing light clothes and go barefoot on the submersible since it's only an 8-10 hr trip. That’s highly illogical. An inside temperature of 32-34 degrees for more than 5 minutes is something you dress for. You don’t wear shorts and flip flops for 10 hours at those temps. One way or the other that report isn’t correct. Either the inside temps are higher or they wear more clothes. They look like they're dressed for chilly temps. Josh Gates tweet |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:14:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If they did implode, will they have to pay an EPA fee? https://www.epa.gov/ocean-dumping/burial-sea https://www.newsnationnow.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/108/2022/04/AP040519018853-1.jpg?w=1350&h=759&crop=1 Classic government.. you can dump Uncle Steve in the ocean but don’t you dare dump Uncle Steve’s dog. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:16:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sooo... moving on. Who should star in the made for TV documentary about this company?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOW_kPzY_JY |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:18:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was floored when I read that earlier. Unbelievable, really, to have someone involved with this be a descendent of Isidor and Ida Straus. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well, there's some more irony for you. Apparently, the wife of the Oceangate CEO is descended from Titanic victims (great-great grandaughter of Macy's founder). I was floored when I read that earlier. Unbelievable, really, to have someone involved with this be a descendent of Isidor and Ida Straus. Is it really? People with It's a big club, and we ain't in it. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:18:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sooo... moving on. Who should star in the made for TV documentary about this company? 
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:19:31 AM EDT
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so, whats worse, this or the brazen bull?
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:19:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They were 1 hour 45 minutes or so into the dive when they lost comms. Pretty deep for a fishing net. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Plot twist: the trouble was not caused by the shortcuts taken in building the sub but by an unrelated external factor such as getting tangled in a fishing net, snagged on the titanic, suicidal passenger, etc. ocean gate is vindicated when they find the sub and they continue building tin cans and people continue paying for rides. They were 1 hour 45 minutes or so into the dive when they lost comms. Pretty deep for a fishing net. They've seen plastic shopping bags on the seafloor at Challenger Deep, so who knows. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:20:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd hoped to see some positive news about this situation when I got up this morning. After reading the last five pages it seems it's a wrap. RIP to the people who perished in the experimental submersible Titan. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:20:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Middle-aged white male CEO of the sub company says "Middle-aged white men need not apply." In a Twist of irony he's one of the people on this missing sub  Woopsie That did not age well. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:21:21 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:22:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryGood. On a somewhat unrelated note, I am sort of amazed at how little we still know about what happened. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:23:12 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sooo... moving on. Who should star in the made for TV documentary about this company? 
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:23:39 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good. On a somewhat unrelated note, I am sort of amazed at how little we still know about what happened. Quote HistoryQuoted: Good. On a somewhat unrelated note, I am sort of amazed at how little we still know about what happened. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:25:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The old people on my Facebook feed getting upset about the memes is pretty humorous I don’t blame them. The lack of basic human decency on display is pretty disgusting. It speaks volumes about the fabric of society. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:28:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I mean when your whole comms and telemetry system is powered from wireless diversity from harbor freight it's not that surprising. I’m not surprised that it failed. I’m surprised that we’ve been told exactly nothing about the timeline of events the day it was lost, or what comms were in place before being lost, or what the last comms looked like, or how the mother ship tracks the sun in the absence of comms. Nothing. Zero. Zilch. And they don’t owe us that info, but they owed it to the rescue responders. What did they know and when? To the people made privy to such details, has this seemed like a waste of time from day one? It obviously does to those of us with no details, but what of those who knew the rest of the story? |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:28:43 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t blame them. The lack of basic human decency on display is pretty disgusting. It speaks volumes about the fabric of society. The fact that something this incredibly stupid even happened says even more about the current state of society. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:29:01 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't blame them. The lack of basic human decency on display is pretty disgusting. It speaks volumes about the fabric of society. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The old people on my Facebook feed getting upset about the memes is pretty humorous I don't blame them. The lack of basic human decency on display is pretty disgusting. It speaks volumes about the fabric of society.  |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:29:23 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good. On a somewhat unrelated note, I am sort of amazed at how little we still know about what happened. I'm not, shit show operation is what we have learned so far. But somewhere some 50 yr old guys are starting to put together pieces of the puzzle. It may be a while before the puzzle is completed. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:29:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't blame them. The lack of basic human decency on display is pretty disgusting. It speaks volumes about the fabric of society. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The old people on my Facebook feed getting upset about the memes is pretty humorous I don't blame them. The lack of basic human decency on display is pretty disgusting. It speaks volumes about the fabric of society. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:30:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The fact that something this incredibly stupid even happened says even more about the current state of society. 
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:30:45 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not surprised that it failed. I'm surprised that we've been told exactly nothing about the timeline of events the day it was lost, or what comms were in place before being lost, or what the last comms looked like, or how the mother ship tracks the sun in the absence of comms. Nothing. Zero. Zilch. And they don't owe us that info, but they owed it to the rescue responders. What did they know and when? To the people made privy to such details, has this seemed like a waste of time from day one? It obviously does to those of us with no details, but what of those who knew the rest of the story? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I mean when your whole comms and telemetry system is powered from wireless diversity from harbor freight it's not that surprising. I'm not surprised that it failed. I'm surprised that we've been told exactly nothing about the timeline of events the day it was lost, or what comms were in place before being lost, or what the last comms looked like, or how the mother ship tracks the sun in the absence of comms. Nothing. Zero. Zilch. And they don't owe us that info, but they owed it to the rescue responders. What did they know and when? To the people made privy to such details, has this seemed like a waste of time from day one? It obviously does to those of us with no details, but what of those who knew the rest of the story? |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:34:37 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t blame them. The lack of basic human decency on display is pretty disgusting. It speaks volumes about the fabric of society. honestly i have little compassion for openly going into harms way in a device obviously not made to survive. i put this right up there with dudes in a wingsuit hitting a mountain. sad about any loss of life, but aself created problem that was 100% avoidable. i have no problem with mocking stupidity. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:35:57 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sooo... moving on. Who should star in the made for TV documentary about this company? https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/210215143707-dr-fauci-axios-interview-fair-use-video-super-tease.jpg he said "who should star in the documentary" not "who do you think should've been in the sub instead".... |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:36:11 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Somebody needed to mind the teakettle and row the boat. A real nerd would remember the fast fission non-escape probability equation in the six factor formula. They tried it, it ended badly.  You navy types kinda made a shit show out of TMI but still...nobody got pinned to the ceiling, so you've got that going for you. 
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:36:32 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The fact that something this incredibly stupid even happened says even more about the current state of society. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don’t blame them. The lack of basic human decency on display is pretty disgusting. It speaks volumes about the fabric of society. The fact that something this incredibly stupid even happened says even more about the current state of society. Hard to argue with that as more information becomes available. Appears one mans ego killed himself and 4 others. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:36:35 AM EDT
[#36]
Does anyone know if the sub company is still booking trips on the Titan?
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:37:06 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: honestly i have little compassion for openly going into harms way in a device obviously not made to survive. i put this right up there with dudes in a wingsuit hitting a mountain. sad about any loss of life, but a self created problem that was 100% avoidable. i have no problem with mocking stupidity. this right here pretty much sums it up for me Stupid should be mocked. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:37:17 AM EDT
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The comments in this thread remind me of the Webb telescope thread. There was a picture of the Pillars of Creation comparing the Hubble (2014) and Webb (2022) photos, and there were comments that there was no movement or change in the pillars in the eight years between the photos.
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:38:10 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: this right here pretty much sums it up for me Stupid should be mocked. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:38:17 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t blame them. The lack of basic human decency on display is pretty disgusting. It speaks volumes about the fabric of society. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The old people on my Facebook feed getting upset about the memes is pretty humorous I don’t blame them. The lack of basic human decency on display is pretty disgusting. It speaks volumes about the fabric of society. Oh no not the fabric of society  |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:38:40 AM EDT
[#41]
Guessing a mostly carbon fiber tube doesn't bounce back sound for sonar as well as all metal one.
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:39:44 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:39:59 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh no not the fabric of society Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The old people on my Facebook feed getting upset about the memes is pretty humorous I don't blame them. The lack of basic human decency on display is pretty disgusting. It speaks volumes about the fabric of society. Oh no not the fabric of society |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:40:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: honestly i have little compassion for openly going into harms way in a device obviously not made to survive. i put this right up there with dudes in a wingsuit hitting a mountain. sad about any loss of life, but aself created problem that was 100% avoidable. i have no problem with mocking stupidity. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don’t blame them. The lack of basic human decency on display is pretty disgusting. It speaks volumes about the fabric of society. honestly i have little compassion for openly going into harms way in a device obviously not made to survive. i put this right up there with dudes in a wingsuit hitting a mountain. sad about any loss of life, but aself created problem that was 100% avoidable. i have no problem with mocking stupidity. This is where I'm at. Whole situation was a Darwin Award waiting to happen. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:41:51 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t blame them. The lack of basic human decency on display is pretty disgusting. It speaks volumes about the fabric of society. I think it says more about the fabric of society that some egotistical woke rich dude thought his money made him smarter than the experts he mocked for their race and age and it resulted in his demise aboard a shoddily built death machine. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:41:52 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does anyone know if the sub company is still booking trips on the Titan? Titan II. They started booking at 9am this morning on kickstarter |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:42:59 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Guessing a mostly carbon fiber tube doesn't bounce back sound for sonar as well as all metal one. Beating on it to make noise probably isn't very effective either. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:43:02 AM EDT
[#48]
The most logical and satisfying thing they could have done about 12 hours in would to have strangled the motherfucker in charge to death. If they did that they still have hours of air left.
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:43:23 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: First day on the internet? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The old people on my Facebook feed getting upset about the memes is pretty humorous I don't blame them. The lack of basic human decency on display is pretty disgusting. It speaks volumes about the fabric of society. lol no. The internet has been exposing people with a lack of decency for a long time. Doesn’t change the fact watching people ridicule peoples deaths isn’t disappointing. I could understand if it was some stupid ass terrorist that blew himself up making a bomb or some asshat getting himself killed robbing a store. These folks were neither. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 8:43:26 AM EDT
[#50]
At this point I'm settling onto the fact that when they initially lost contact, is when they imploded, thus why it wasn't showing up on the sonar the mothership apparently had, or that I read used.
Either that, or something happened with the ballast and it went down and is stuck in the mud. Watching this death tube being made, the joint between the titanium flanges on either end of the carbon fiber section just seemed way too little material meeting, and just held together with glue. The overlap of the titanium was extremely small from what I've seen. |
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