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Posted: 7/26/2023 9:20:58 PM EDT
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window size appears to be similar to or almost the same as rmr window size?
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Posted: 7/26/2023 9:25:03 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Get the rail mounted battery operated lens blower. Blows lint off the lens. Doubles as a ball cooler in appendix carry.  I have one, but it’s a two stroke so it’s loud as fuck. |
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Posted: 7/26/2023 9:25:16 PM EDT
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I'm not up on the latest stats., but in 2009, I put a type 1 on a G 19, for everyday carry. I also shot a couple steel matches with it. Zero problems; I scratched the glass a couple of years ago. Sent it in and payed for the glass; they said they would give me a new one for the price of the glass.
I have two type one's, a duel alum., and SRO; no problems. This new one sounds like a perfect carry gun optic. I might have to sell something to buy one. If I clean the type one it is fine; sometimes I forget. |
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Posted: 7/26/2023 9:28:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Holosun: "Our EPS is just a 507K with a closed emitter." Trijicon: "Hey kid, wanna put a mailbox on top of your pistol?" Mount it to an unregistered sbr with an FRT trigger and solvent trap suppressor and shoot mailboxes with it. Why collect a free “stamp” when you can collect free felonies am i right?
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Posted: 7/26/2023 10:06:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: GD overreacts to everything without knowing anything. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Nice mailbox they made there  You've never seen a closed emitter optic before? Of course. GD must continue to GD. What would people think if it didn’t? |
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Posted: 7/27/2023 8:17:26 AM EDT
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Looks like it's about the size of a 509t but taller since it has the battery on top.
Not a perfect comparison but you get the idea. 
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Posted: 7/27/2023 8:45:08 AM EDT
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I love how everyone is calling it a "huge bitch" or a "mailbox," especially in comparison to an Aimpoint Acro P2.
From the spec sheet in the OP, the RCR is 1.8x1.2x1.3 inches, or 45x30x33mm. The Acro P2 is 1.9x1.3x1.2 inches, or 47x33x31mm. The RCR is smaller in two of three dimensions and only 0.1" or 2mm larger in the third, yet everyone acts like it's Lizzo compared to Taylor Swift. As far as the Holosun 509t, it's 1.6x1.16x1.13 inches, which makes it smaller than the RCR, but, again, it's not like it's exponentially smaller. |
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Posted: 7/27/2023 8:53:42 AM EDT
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That’s all well and good. Now explain the dimensions that made it 5 years late to market.
Quote HistoryQuoted: I love how everyone is calling it a "huge bitch" or a "mailbox," especially in comparison to an Aimpoint Acro P2. From the spec sheet in the OP, the RCR is 1.8x1.2x1.3 inches, or 45x30x33mm. The Acro P2 is 1.9x1.3x1.2 inches, or 47x33x31mm. The RCR is smaller in two of three dimensions and only 0.1" or 2mm larger in the third, yet everyone acts like it's Lizzo compared to Taylor Swift. As far as the Holosun 509t, it's 1.6x1.16x1.13 inches, which makes it smaller than the RCR, but, again, it's not like it's exponentially smaller. |
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Posted: 7/27/2023 8:55:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's all well and good. Now explain the dimensions that made it 5 years late to market. Do you really think they won't sell every one they make? |
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Posted: 7/27/2023 8:58:24 AM EDT
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And it's predictably high as a cats ass to purchase. |
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Posted: 7/27/2023 9:04:48 AM EDT
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That is ugly ... I bet it will have an MSRP of $799-899...
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Posted: 7/27/2023 9:07:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I love how everyone is calling it a "huge bitch" or a "mailbox," especially in comparison to an Aimpoint Acro P2. From the spec sheet in the OP, the RCR is 1.8x1.2x1.3 inches, or 45x30x33mm. The Acro P2 is 1.9x1.3x1.2 inches, or 47x33x31mm. The RCR is smaller in two of three dimensions and only 0.1" or 2mm larger in the third, yet everyone acts like it's Lizzo compared to Taylor Swift. As far as the Holosun 509t, it's 1.6x1.16x1.13 inches, which makes it smaller than the RCR, but, again, it's not like it's exponentially smaller. I don't think it looks as huge as some are making it out to be. It also isn't as small as I'd hoped (EPS sized) but it's a step in the right direction. That said, there's a good chance I'll end up with one once the initial frenzy dies off. Assuming they don't have any big teething issues anyway. |
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Posted: 7/27/2023 9:12:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, it uses screws into holes in the RMR foot print. But the heads of the screws will slide into a cavity from the sides of the optic and then stay captured there. You cant access the face of the screw head, so the screws have holes/dimples around the circumference of the head that you wrench on to tighten with a special tool. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/310612/FB_IMG_1690243485008_jpg-2896894.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's gotta be some sort of quick/side release to a proprietary plate given that it mounts in the RMR footprint. Those screw mounting locations would pierce right through the "closed" part of the MRDS. But the heads of the screws will slide into a cavity from the sides of the optic and then stay captured there. You cant access the face of the screw head, so the screws have holes/dimples around the circumference of the head that you wrench on to tighten with a special tool. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/310612/FB_IMG_1690243485008_jpg-2896894.JPG I used to be a HUGE Trijicon fan, I own 6 SRO's, but slowly giving favor to Holosun. Moved to an EPS carry on my primary carry gun, 407 on secondary, 507 Comp on one of my competition guns displacing a SRO, etc. |
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Posted: 7/27/2023 9:21:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I love how everyone is calling it a "huge bitch" or a "mailbox," especially in comparison to an Aimpoint Acro P2. From the spec sheet in the OP, the RCR is 1.8x1.2x1.3 inches, or 45x30x33mm. The Acro P2 is 1.9x1.3x1.2 inches, or 47x33x31mm. The RCR is smaller in two of three dimensions and only 0.1" or 2mm larger in the third, yet everyone acts like it's Lizzo compared to Taylor Swift. As far as the Holosun 509t, it's 1.6x1.16x1.13 inches, which makes it smaller than the RCR, but, again, it's not like it's exponentially smaller. They are all "huge bitches" and "mailboxes".
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Posted: 7/27/2023 9:32:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is ugly ... I bet it will have an MSRP of $799-899... My local gun shop guy was saying he expects MSRP at $825... I’m sure they’re amazing optics but damn pushing a G after tax is a little rough since I’m not an astronaut playboy millionaire with three Porsches like most posters here are. |
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Posted: 7/27/2023 9:45:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are all "huge bitches" and "mailboxes". +1 /\ this guy gets it. If you want a closed emitor sight then know it's going to look like a mailbox just like they all do. Get the fuck over it.  |
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Posted: 7/27/2023 9:52:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My local gun shop guy was saying he expects MSRP at $825... I'm sure they're amazing optics but damn pushing a G after tax is a little rough since I'm not an astronaut playboy millionaire with three Porsches like most posters here are. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That is ugly ... I bet it will have an MSRP of $799-899... My local gun shop guy was saying he expects MSRP at $825... I'm sure they're amazing optics but damn pushing a G after tax is a little rough since I'm not an astronaut playboy millionaire with three Porsches like most posters here are. As someone else said earlier, brand loyalty is for suckers. |
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Posted: 7/27/2023 10:03:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That sounds like a joke. The EPS seems better than this in every way. Trijicon is way behind the innovation curve that Holosun is setting these days. I used to be a HUGE Trijicon fan, I own 6 SRO's, but slowly giving favor to Holosun. Moved to an EPS carry on my primary carry gun, 407 on secondary, 507 Comp on one of my competition guns displacing a SRO, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's gotta be some sort of quick/side release to a proprietary plate given that it mounts in the RMR footprint. Those screw mounting locations would pierce right through the "closed" part of the MRDS. But the heads of the screws will slide into a cavity from the sides of the optic and then stay captured there. You cant access the face of the screw head, so the screws have holes/dimples around the circumference of the head that you wrench on to tighten with a special tool. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/310612/FB_IMG_1690243485008_jpg-2896894.JPG I used to be a HUGE Trijicon fan, I own 6 SRO's, but slowly giving favor to Holosun. Moved to an EPS carry on my primary carry gun, 407 on secondary, 507 Comp on one of my competition guns displacing a SRO, etc. Of all the enclosed rds, the eps is the best design imho. I’m waiting for the x2 model to come out as the distortion was a big turn off. |
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Posted: 7/27/2023 10:50:09 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My local gun shop guy was saying he expects MSRP at $825... I’m sure they’re amazing optics but damn pushing a G after tax is a little rough since I’m not an astronaut playboy millionaire with three Porsches like most posters here are. What's he basing that on? These aren't going to sell at above ACRO prices. |
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Posted: 7/27/2023 12:09:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's he basing that on? These aren't going to sell at above ACRO prices. Surely the RCR will be higher since it's newer, more complex, and has more parts, etc. That's MSRP though. Eventually street price will go down, but typically when there's enough hype at the initial release for this kind of thing, they sell at MSRP out the gate. |
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Posted: 7/27/2023 12:32:37 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My local gun shop guy was saying he expects MSRP at $825... I’m sure they’re amazing optics but damn pushing a G after tax is a little rough since I’m not an astronaut playboy millionaire with three Porsches like most posters here are. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That is ugly ... I bet it will have an MSRP of $799-899... My local gun shop guy was saying he expects MSRP at $825... I’m sure they’re amazing optics but damn pushing a G after tax is a little rough since I’m not an astronaut playboy millionaire with three Porsches like most posters here are. What's your life worth? Do you wanna get kilt in da skreetS? |
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Posted: 7/27/2023 12:42:57 PM EDT
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If these aren't the same price as an acro P2 they won't sell great.
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Posted: 7/27/2023 1:55:09 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have one, but it’s a two stroke so it’s loud as fuck. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Get the rail mounted battery operated lens blower. Blows lint off the lens. Doubles as a ball cooler in appendix carry. I have one, but it’s a two stroke so it’s loud as fuck. Louder than your avatar pic?
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Posted: 7/27/2023 2:18:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That sounds like a joke. The EPS seems better than this in every way. Trijicon is way behind the innovation curve that Holosun is setting these days. I used to be a HUGE Trijicon fan, I own 6 SRO's, but slowly giving favor to Holosun. Moved to an EPS carry on my primary carry gun, 407 on secondary, 507 Comp on one of my competition guns displacing a SRO, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's gotta be some sort of quick/side release to a proprietary plate given that it mounts in the RMR footprint. Those screw mounting locations would pierce right through the "closed" part of the MRDS. But the heads of the screws will slide into a cavity from the sides of the optic and then stay captured there. You cant access the face of the screw head, so the screws have holes/dimples around the circumference of the head that you wrench on to tighten with a special tool. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/310612/FB_IMG_1690243485008_jpg-2896894.JPG I used to be a HUGE Trijicon fan, I own 6 SRO's, but slowly giving favor to Holosun. Moved to an EPS carry on my primary carry gun, 407 on secondary, 507 Comp on one of my competition guns displacing a SRO, etc. This is where I’m at. And I hate to say it. I’m trying not to shit on it because Trijicon finally caught up to the features the competition is offering and that the market is wanting. But they did it so clunky and expensive. I like Trijicon, most of my optics are Trijicon, and I have no idea how many Trijicon optics I have, but fuck. |
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Posted: 7/27/2023 2:34:17 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is where I’m at. And I hate to say it. I’m trying not to shit on it because Trijicon finally caught up to the features the competition is offering and that the market is wanting. But they did it so clunky and expensive. I like Trijicon, most of my optics are Trijicon, and I have no idea how many Trijicon optics I have, but fuck. -We don't know the actual price yet. -It's dimensionally similar to other enclosed pistol optics. |
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Posted: 7/27/2023 2:35:11 PM EDT
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you don't have to take it off to change the battery......im shocked
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Posted: 7/28/2023 3:25:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is where I’m at. And I hate to say it. I’m trying not to shit on it because Trijicon finally caught up to the features the competition is offering and that the market is wanting. But they did it so clunky and expensive. I like Trijicon, most of my optics are Trijicon, and I have no idea how many Trijicon optics I have, but fuck. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's gotta be some sort of quick/side release to a proprietary plate given that it mounts in the RMR footprint. Those screw mounting locations would pierce right through the "closed" part of the MRDS. But the heads of the screws will slide into a cavity from the sides of the optic and then stay captured there. You cant access the face of the screw head, so the screws have holes/dimples around the circumference of the head that you wrench on to tighten with a special tool. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/310612/FB_IMG_1690243485008_jpg-2896894.JPG I used to be a HUGE Trijicon fan, I own 6 SRO's, but slowly giving favor to Holosun. Moved to an EPS carry on my primary carry gun, 407 on secondary, 507 Comp on one of my competition guns displacing a SRO, etc. This is where I’m at. And I hate to say it. I’m trying not to shit on it because Trijicon finally caught up to the features the competition is offering and that the market is wanting. But they did it so clunky and expensive. I like Trijicon, most of my optics are Trijicon, and I have no idea how many Trijicon optics I have, but fuck. Closed emitters are naturally clunky. Don't know what the final price is yet. |
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Posted: 7/28/2023 4:21:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: -We don't know the actual price yet. -It's dimensionally similar to other enclosed pistol optics. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is where I’m at. And I hate to say it. I’m trying not to shit on it because Trijicon finally caught up to the features the competition is offering and that the market is wanting. But they did it so clunky and expensive. I like Trijicon, most of my optics are Trijicon, and I have no idea how many Trijicon optics I have, but fuck. -We don't know the actual price yet. -It's dimensionally similar to other enclosed pistol optics. I’m referring to it needing to wear the battery around like a hat. We both know it’ll be north of 700 bucks. But you’re right, we don’t know exactly where in the ‘holy fuck’ price range that the price will land. |
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Posted: 7/28/2023 5:04:37 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But the RMR nut garglers assured me that enclosed emitter optics and batteries accessible without removing the optic are unnecessary novelties. I love my RMR but it's cool to see trijicon continue to male improvements and implement features that some users constantly fucking complain about. |
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Posted: 7/28/2023 5:13:11 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m referring to it needing to wear the battery around like a hat. We both know it’ll be north of 700 bucks. But you’re right, we don’t know exactly where in the ‘holy fuck’ price range that the price will land. MSRP sure, but they'll have to keep street price around the ACRO P2 to sell them. Otherwise the anti China crowd will be handing their money to Swedes. |
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Posted: 7/28/2023 9:12:25 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: MSRP sure, but they'll have to keep street price around the ACRO P2 to sell them. Otherwise the anti China crowd will be handing their money to Swedes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’m referring to it needing to wear the battery around like a hat. We both know it’ll be north of 700 bucks. But you’re right, we don’t know exactly where in the ‘holy fuck’ price range that the price will land. MSRP sure, but they'll have to keep street price around the ACRO P2 to sell them. Otherwise the anti China crowd will be handing their money to Swedes. It definitely has to compete with the ACRO P2 to be viable on the civilian market, but I worry they’re not worried about that and banking on .gov sales. I’m frustrated with trijicon because I’m betting that somehow they came out last to the market just to release the least competitive and most expensive offering. I want to be wrong because they were once an industry leader that drove the market in innovation, but I fear they’re resting on their laurels and releasing “me too” product offerings only when necessary, and will become the Colt of the optics world. I admit that’s a jaded perspective. Either way, I hope this optic works out. I want more quality trijicon optics where previously I’ve been having to opt towards Holosun. |
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Posted: 7/28/2023 9:48:54 AM EDT
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GD complains for years for Trijicon to catch up.
Trijicon catches up. GD tries their hardest to hate that Trijicon caught up. |
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Posted: 7/28/2023 10:45:44 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It definitely has to compete with the ACRO P2 to be viable on the civilian market, but I worry they’re not worried about that and banking on .gov sales. I’m frustrated with trijicon because I’m betting that somehow they came out last to the market just to release the least competitive and most expensive offering. I want to be wrong because they were once an industry leader that drove the market in innovation, but I fear they’re resting on their laurels and releasing “me too” product offerings only when necessary, and will become the Colt of the optics world. I admit that’s a jaded perspective. Either way, I hope this optic works out. I want more quality trijicon optics where previously I’ve been having to opt towards Holosun. That's where I am. I want one and want to support Trijicon. If it is as durable as it should be and is ACRO priced I'll buy once the initial craze dies down. No, it doesn't look as small and sleek as the EPS for a carry gun but it's close enough and is American made. However, if it's $700 plus I'll probably pass. I can get 2 EPS's for that price. I'm prepared to be disappointed with the pricing though 
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Posted: 7/28/2023 10:51:57 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: +1 /\ this guy gets it. If you want a closed emitor sight then know it's going to look like a mailbox just like they all do. Get the fuck over it. once something becomes popular most all the original naysayers complaining about "aesthetics" disappear... and re-invent themselves as cheerleaders. |
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Posted: 7/28/2023 10:54:16 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: GD complains for years for Trijicon to catch up. Trijicon catches up. GD tries their hardest to hate that Trijicon caught up. Did they, though? |
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Posted: 7/28/2023 10:58:34 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did they, though? Agree. It's too early to make that call. Hopefully it will be great, but I'm not paying the iron price for the initial rollout. Looking forward to independent reviews. |
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Posted: 7/28/2023 11:00:18 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did they, though? Trijicon brand Mounts in the industry standard footprint (RMR) Closed emitter Top mount battery 6 year battery life (at setting 5) Same deck height as RMR (so no having to change out BUIS) Made in America (I think) Simple controls No additional "fluff" (more things that can break) Barring long term durability feedback, it checks all boxes. |
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Posted: 7/28/2023 11:02:31 AM EDT
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I'm guessing this isn't going to work with Zev Posts / Brownell's slides judging by those screws?
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Posted: 7/28/2023 11:06:41 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm guessing this isn't going to work with Zev Posts / Brownell's slides judging by those screws? A RMR fits on a Zev slide, why wouldn't the RCR fit? Screws are in the same location as the RMR and I'm betting it has the post cutouts in the base. |
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Posted: 7/28/2023 11:06:52 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: GD complains for years for Trijicon to catch up. Trijicon catches up. GD tries their hardest to hate that Trijicon caught up. They’re not even taking a breath between it, are they? I keed, I keed…but it’s true. |
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Posted: 7/28/2023 11:19:39 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A RMR fits on a Zev slide, why wouldn't the RCR fit? Screws are in the same location as the RMR and I'm betting it has the post cutouts in the base.  Zev, Brownells, and maybe others incorporate recoil bosses into the screw holes, rather than having flat holes, and uses slightly smaller diameter screws because of the raised screw shaft has to fit into the screw hole in the RMR body. These use 4-40 thread screws.  If the capstan screw the RCR uses is proprietary, they'd have to offer them in the smaller thread size to work with those slides. Also have to consider if there is an issue with the height of those shafts, as it seems the screw-head bearing surface in the little slot on the RCR sits a bit lower than the tapered hole on an RMR. |
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Posted: 7/28/2023 11:30:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The standard RMR mount pattern has holes drilled into the flat of the slide cut, and ideally forward recoil bosses. It usually uses 6-32 thread screws. https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-qm1pm/images/stencil/500x500/products/280/1433/Glock_RMR_Behind_Optic_Dovetail__74570.1617390935.jpg Zev, Brownells, and maybe others incorporate recoil bosses into the screw holes, rather than having flat holes, and uses slightly smaller diameter screws because of the raised screw shaft has to fit into the screw hole in the RMR body. These use 4-40 thread screws. https://www.brownells.com/globalassets/10000/e5/l_078000494_2.jpg If the capstan screw the RCR uses is proprietary, they'd have to offer them in the smaller thread size to work with those slides. Also have to consider if there is an issue with the height of those shafts, as it seems the screw-head bearing surface in the little slot on the RCR sits a bit lower than the tapered hole on an RMR. Oh crap... You're right. I completely forgot about that and I actually used to own the pictured Zev Duty slide.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/28/2023 12:06:50 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It definitely has to compete with the ACRO P2 to be viable on the civilian market, but I worry they’re not worried about that and banking on .gov sales. I’m frustrated with trijicon because I’m betting that somehow they came out last to the market just to release the least competitive and most expensive offering. I want to be wrong because they were once an industry leader that drove the market in innovation, but I fear they’re resting on their laurels and releasing “me too” product offerings only when necessary, and will become the Colt of the optics world. I admit that’s a jaded perspective. Either way, I hope this optic works out. I want more quality trijicon optics where previously I’ve been having to opt towards Holosun. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I’m referring to it needing to wear the battery around like a hat. We both know it’ll be north of 700 bucks. But you’re right, we don’t know exactly where in the ‘holy fuck’ price range that the price will land. MSRP sure, but they'll have to keep street price around the ACRO P2 to sell them. Otherwise the anti China crowd will be handing their money to Swedes. It definitely has to compete with the ACRO P2 to be viable on the civilian market, but I worry they’re not worried about that and banking on .gov sales. I’m frustrated with trijicon because I’m betting that somehow they came out last to the market just to release the least competitive and most expensive offering. I want to be wrong because they were once an industry leader that drove the market in innovation, but I fear they’re resting on their laurels and releasing “me too” product offerings only when necessary, and will become the Colt of the optics world. I admit that’s a jaded perspective. Either way, I hope this optic works out. I want more quality trijicon optics where previously I’ve been having to opt towards Holosun. Of course it's all about high volume government sales in the US the globally. Those agencies are not buying the latest and greatest first to market products anyway. Many will buy Trijicon's product because they're perceived as a safe choice with lots of credibility. |
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Posted: 7/28/2023 12:17:10 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Trijicon brand Great Mounts in the industry standard footprint (RMR) meh, ACRO pattern would have crowned that footprint king of duty optics Closed emitter Welcome to a few years ago Top mount battery Great, welcome to the party. Is that large of a battery really necessary with easy change capability though? 6 year battery life (at setting 5) Great, but that doesn't matter as much with easy change battery. If it went a year or two with a smaller battery and form factor I'd be happy. Same deck height as RMR (so no having to change out BUIS) Which is still taller than the EPS's that can use standard height sights Made in America (I think) Great Simple controls Great No additional "fluff" (more things that can break) Great Barring long term durability feedback, it checks all boxes. It's a pretty run of the mill closed emitter made by Trijicon in the US that came out a few years behind the competition. There is really nothing groundbreaking about it that should justify a price above the ACRO P2. I'll buy at $600 or less assuming they're problem free. |
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Posted: 7/28/2023 12:28:32 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My local gun shop guy was saying he expects MSRP at $825... I’m sure they’re amazing optics but damn pushing a G after tax is a little rough since I’m not an astronaut playboy millionaire with three Porsches like most posters here are. If so, I'll happily stick with my Steiner MPS's. They have not let me down in USPSA. |
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Posted: 7/28/2023 12:29:12 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The standard RMR mount pattern has holes drilled into the flat of the slide cut, and ideally forward recoil bosses. It usually uses 6-32 thread screws. https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-qm1pm/images/stencil/500x500/products/280/1433/Glock_RMR_Behind_Optic_Dovetail__74570.1617390935.jpg Zev, Brownells, and maybe others incorporate recoil bosses into the screw holes, rather than having flat holes, and uses slightly smaller diameter screws because of the raised screw shaft has to fit into the screw hole in the RMR body. These use 4-40 thread screws. https://www.brownells.com/globalassets/10000/e5/l_078000494_2.jpg If the capstan screw the RCR uses is proprietary, they'd have to offer them in the smaller thread size to work with those slides. Also have to consider if there is an issue with the height of those shafts, as it seems the screw-head bearing surface in the little slot on the RCR sits a bit lower than the tapered hole on an RMR. That's an interesting problem, and I'm now curious to see how they address it. |
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Posted: 7/28/2023 12:53:08 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's an interesting problem, and I'm now curious to see how they address it. Trijicon will probably address it by saying those companies should have followed the RMR footprint and screw size exactly. Trijicon patented the RCR screws according to the literature we've seen. The out of spec slide manufacturers will need to pay the piper to get smaller screws that will work with the RCR I'd imagine. |
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Posted: 7/28/2023 1:05:07 PM EDT
[#48]
Are the current models being discounted yet?
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Posted: 7/28/2023 1:11:05 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The standard RMR mount pattern has holes drilled into the flat of the slide cut, and ideally forward recoil bosses. It usually uses 6-32 thread screws. https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-qm1pm/images/stencil/500x500/products/280/1433/Glock_RMR_Behind_Optic_Dovetail__74570.1617390935.jpg Zev, Brownells, and maybe others incorporate recoil bosses into the screw holes, rather than having flat holes, and uses slightly smaller diameter screws because of the raised screw shaft has to fit into the screw hole in the RMR body. These use 4-40 thread screws. https://www.brownells.com/globalassets/10000/e5/l_078000494_2.jpg If the capstan screw the RCR uses is proprietary, they'd have to offer them in the smaller thread size to work with those slides. Also have to consider if there is an issue with the height of those shafts, as it seems the screw-head bearing surface in the little slot on the RCR sits a bit lower than the tapered hole on an RMR. You could grind off the bosses. Retap and then drill holes for front bosses and use insertable pins. Sucks but I think it could be done. Maybe not. But the bosses are still centered the same. |
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Posted: 7/28/2023 1:14:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How innovative. Its a red dot. How much more innovation could one possibly do? 6 years of battery life on setting 5, assuming its usable, its fantastic. I'll take this mailbox over the ACRO microwave all day. Can't cook my hotpockets in the RCR, but I'll manage. |
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