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Posted: 9/22/2023 9:16:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can't tell, I wonder if they brought in someone to dismantle or if the FD just started hacking at it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Can't tell, I wonder if they brought in someone to dismantle or if the FD just started hacking at it. At that point I don’t think it would matter if they hacked it out with a machete. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 6:14:24 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Price of using the lowest bidder. Beat me to it. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 6:39:12 AM EST
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Seriously, what's the driver supposed to do? Pull over and personally check every bridge he goes under? Stop traffic so he can measure in the middle lane? There's bridges that you can't even stop near.
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Posted: 9/23/2023 6:46:05 AM EST
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So much for shrink wrap protection.
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Posted: 9/23/2023 6:58:00 AM EST
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Definition of a bad day… When your main gear box is resting upside down on your rotor head after being ripped out of the fuselage you might be having a bad day. A worse day is when you find out the driver that destroyed your $32M helicopter only carried $5M in insurance. Insurance may not even be that much. My best friend was riding his Harley behind a truck on I-75. Truck dropped it's driveshaft and launched him off his bike. 3 months in a coma, 6 in ICU, 3 years in rehab and permanent disability. Truck company had $1M in liability insurance. Hospital and lawyers ate that all up. Hard to believe that something that can cause as much damage as a truck only had $1M coverage. They didn't even have to have that much.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 7:49:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seriously, what's the driver supposed to do? Pull over and personally check every bridge he goes under? Stop traffic so he can measure in the middle lane? There's bridges that you can't even stop near. That load would be running on an State issued Oversized permit that tells you the exact route you are supposed to be following. Sometimes drivers screw up and go off route, sometimes the State screws up and routes you under a low bridge. These days many permits are applied for and issued online, the driver may have miss measured and thought he wasn't that tall and submitted the wrong information. In the end it still comes down to the driver to not run into overhead obstructions. Hauling tall loads sucks, I'll take wide loads all day long over tall loads. Out here once you get over 17' tall you have to have a pilot car with a height pole in the lead and if you're really tall/wide, you may even have police escorts to make life easier. Under 17' tall, the driver is on his own, it's a huge responsibility and a ton of stress. I get paid good money not to run into bridges and things. 28' wide and 18' tall from WY to NV with 5 pilot cars and 3 police escorts:  |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 7:59:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The driver is responsible for knowing the exact height of the load, they make a measuring stick that makes it pretty easy to figure out. The driver is supposed to be watching for signs that tell you the height of the bridges he goes under. This bridge had a 15' 0" sign at the intersection (nice because is gives you an escape route). When in doubt you absolutely stop, hold up traffic (piss off everyone) and measure before proceeding. Sometimes you may even have to call the police to get yourself out of a bad situation. That load would be running on an State issued Oversized permit that tells you the exact route you are supposed to be following. Sometimes drivers screw up and go off route, sometimes the State screws up and routes you under a low bridge. These days many permits are applied for and issued online, the driver may have miss measured and thought he wasn't that tall and submitted the wrong information. In the end it still comes down to the driver to not run into overhead obstructions. Hauling tall loads sucks, I'll take wide loads all day long over tall loads. Out here once you get over 17' tall you have to have a pilot car with a height pole in the lead and if you're really tall/wide, you may even have police escorts to make life easier. Under 17' tall, the driver is on his own, it's a huge responsibility and a ton of stress. I get paid good money not to run into bridges and things. 28' wide and 18' tall from WY to NV with 5 pilot cars and 3 police escorts: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/119852/rock_box-2295147.jpg If you don't pre-plan, life Komatsu hard. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 8:01:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you don't pre-plan, life Komatsu hard. 
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:54:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't be so quick to judge.....the load could have been the right height and the bridge was too short.  We're obviously going to need to put together an investigation team and get to the bottom of this. Will they serve jelly filled donuts and coffee at the investigation meetings or just the cheap glazed donuts? This looks like a jelly filled donut sort of event. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:14:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Biden did that. He was a truck driver you know. 18 wheelers and stuff. You can sum it up in one word. Fifteen Feet... That's two words. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:22:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Back in 2007, that happened to a Bell 412SP, Serial Number 36009. It was the air ambulance for Wake Forest University Medical Center. The helicopter was sold for salvage, and someone completely rebuilt it and now it's flying again. If there isn't a sign to warn the operator, then the bridge is supposed to be 17 feet 6 inches or higher clearance. It would be interesting to see what happens if the wonderful government removed the signs, and what liability the government would have, which I suspect would be less than zero. Side note, I'm sure there's a database of every bridge clearance height in America. Having a GPS device or app, tailored to a Commercial Driver's needs, would be worth every penny to avoid something like this. It sounds like the driver has a get-out-of-jail card and the state just bought a helicopter. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:25:00 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aircraft and cars are made differently. I've seen aircraft with significantly more damage get put back together. I'm sure that it will need a new transmission and rotor head, but otherwise will just need damaged ribs, stringers, and sheet metal cut out and new stuff spliced back in. It will still need a dump truck full of cash to get it fixed, but probably a smaller one than it takes to get a whole new helicopter. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'll bet that airframe gets condemned. No way it can be straightened up to the specification. It will still need a dump truck full of cash to get it fixed, but probably a smaller one than it takes to get a whole new helicopter. Fuck my brand new bird up before I even get to sit in it and I'm gonna want a new one. I'll bet a few lawyers will get to buy a new Mercedes. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:28:35 AM EST
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I've driven a semi for over 18 years and only 1 of those loads was over dimension (lots of heavy-haul tanker and fixed load though), so I don't quite have enough experience to blame any one person.
Things I'd like to know: Who measured it? Who signed off on those measurements? What were the measurements on that document? Who approved the permit route? |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:44:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The driver is responsible for knowing the exact height of the load, they make a measuring stick that makes it pretty easy to figure out. The driver is supposed to be watching for signs that tell you the height of the bridges he goes under. This bridge had a 15' 0" sign at the intersection (nice because is gives you an escape route). When in doubt you absolutely stop, hold up traffic (piss off everyone) and measure before proceeding. Sometimes you may even have to call the police to get yourself out of a bad situation. That load would be running on an State issued Oversized permit that tells you the exact route you are supposed to be following. Sometimes drivers screw up and go off route, sometimes the State screws up and routes you under a low bridge. These days many permits are applied for and issued online, the driver may have miss measured and thought he wasn't that tall and submitted the wrong information. In the end it still comes down to the driver to not run into overhead obstructions. Hauling tall loads sucks, I'll take wide loads all day long over tall loads. Out here once you get over 17' tall you have to have a pilot car with a height pole in the lead and if you're really tall/wide, you may even have police escorts to make life easier. Under 17' tall, the driver is on his own, it's a huge responsibility and a ton of stress. I get paid good money not to run into bridges and things. 28' wide and 18' tall from WY to NV with 5 pilot cars and 3 police escorts: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/119852/rock_box-2295147.jpg My hands started sweating scrolling over those. I'd rather haul explosives than be involved with oversized loads. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:45:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've driven a semi for over 18 years and only 1 of those loads was over dimension (lots of heavy-haul tanker and fixed load though), so I don't quite have enough experience to blame any one person. Things I'd like to know: Who measured it? Who signed off on those measurements? What were the measurements on that document? Who approved the permit route? You for got to ask, how many DEI hires were decision makers? |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 12:13:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My hands started sweating scrolling over those. I'd rather haul explosives than be involved with oversized loads. .It is cool to look back some of my pictures and say "I did that". |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 12:18:30 PM EST
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I guess things have changed. My mom worked for a company that shipped a lot of oversize loads in the same town that the helicopter got stuck oddly enough. They had a book of all heights of overpasses and such and it was close she used to tell me what a pain in the ass it was to measure the truck and go out and measure the low areas each time. Also complained about all the paperwork after paperwork on that stuff.
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Posted: 9/23/2023 1:41:02 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess things have changed. My mom worked for a company that shipped a lot of oversize loads in the same town that the helicopter got stuck oddly enough. They had a book of all heights of overpasses and such and it was close she used to tell me what a pain in the ass it was to measure the truck and go out and measure the low areas each time. Also complained about all the paperwork after paperwork on that stuff. I have to check this map of Colorado Oversize/Overweight Restriction Map when doing my route planning. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 1:56:33 PM EST
[#19]
You mean a truck hauling what used to be a helicopter.
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Posted: 9/23/2023 3:00:32 PM EST
[#20]
Sounds like someone needs to make an app. With the tech in all these camera cars rolling around everywhere it probably wouldn't be that hard to gather measurements as they go.
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Posted: 9/23/2023 3:06:29 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When in doubt you absolutely stop, hold up traffic (piss off everyone) and measure before proceeding. Sometimes you may even have to call the police to get yourself out of a bad situation. This right here.if you don't know it's cheaper and safer to be parked than make a costly mistake. I've done very little OD stuff, but dumping the wrong product in the wrong tank gets expensive. It's cheaper to say no and find a solution. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 3:43:10 PM EST
[#22]
Looks like an MH53
And that going to be an expensive fix. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 4:13:02 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seriously, what's the driver supposed to do? Pull over and personally check every bridge he goes under? Stop traffic so he can measure in the middle lane? There's bridges that you can't even stop near. Pilot car with height pole. If I was hauling $30 million in aircraft I’d have lead and chase cars. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 4:13:54 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Was that a Blackhawk? |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 4:15:20 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://maps.app.goo.gl/SWR2RxSt43mAAt6V7 30 27'17.9"N 90 57'23.4"W Looking at the streetview of that bridge, if you're coming from the opposite direction, there's a sign on the bridge that says "clearance 15'-0", but in the direction the truck was traveling, there's no sign. There IS a spot where the paint is different because there used to be a sign there. Whoops. https://i.imgur.com/w0fUXOYh.png https://i.imgur.com/yXqJtIGh.png |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 4:55:51 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like a CH-53 Super or Sea Stallion ETA: Wrong, does look like a Bell. What bell helicopter has ever looked like that lol |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 5:00:39 PM EST
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In Utah like 15 years ago there was a big ruckus because a semi took out an overpass, and when investigators got to measuring the sign was wrong (and wrong in the worst direction) the next day udot was out measuring and re-signing all the i15 overpasses.
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Posted: 9/23/2023 5:03:56 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It can be very stressful, I'm sure it's taking a few years off of my life. Funny thing is I'm not super thrilled about hauling big stuff but I'm pretty good at it and my company pays me well enough so I keep doing it .It is cool to look back some of my pictures and say "I did that". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My hands started sweating scrolling over those. I'd rather haul explosives than be involved with oversized loads. .It is cool to look back some of my pictures and say "I did that". I knew a couple of guy's who drove custom trucks for oversized loads up to the Slope. You've got Balls of Steel to do that on a regular basis. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 7:26:35 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pilot car with height pole. If I was hauling $30 million in aircraft I’d have lead and chase cars. But it's all on the driver. Sure, you can trust your team but apparently that isn't a good idea
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Posted: 9/23/2023 7:52:53 PM EST
[#30]
OST
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:19:05 PM EST
[#31]
Climate change did this.
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Posted: 9/24/2023 9:18:20 AM EST
[#32]
Here's the clearance sign from the south approach to the bridge -
 Sign at the north approach -  Whoops. |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 9:40:01 AM EST
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Posted: 9/24/2023 9:43:08 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Here's the clearance sign from the south approach to the bridge - https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/348/Screenshot_20230924-091631-2964568.png Sign at the north approach - https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/348/Screenshot_20230924-092019-2964571.png Whoops. the sign on the southbound traffic light post is no longer there. |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 9:43:35 AM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Its leaking... ALOT. That’s how you know it’s a safe helicopter |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 9:45:09 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seriously, what's the driver supposed to do? Pull over and personally check every bridge he goes under? Stop traffic so he can measure in the middle lane? There's bridges that you can't even stop near. He's supposed to join the 21st Century and use an app like this: https://www.smarttruckroute.com/ Basically works like Google Maps but it accounts for things like bridge height, weight limit, hazardous routes, etc.... Of course there's always the possibility that he was using such a thing, but the data is wrong.... |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 10:07:15 AM EST
[#37]
Will be using this as a sign to not to use the cheaper option going forward.
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Posted: 9/24/2023 10:07:30 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if he's related to this driver? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14727/20230924_093813_JPG-2964587.JPG  26116666-C3AF-4B7B-A1C3-BA1885B59BC5 by FredMan, on Flickr
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Posted: 9/24/2023 11:35:45 AM EST
[#39]
She’ll be a good parts bird for
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Posted: 9/24/2023 12:07:12 PM EST
[#40]
Some bridges are only 11' 8"
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Posted: 9/24/2023 5:04:25 PM EST
[#41]
Wouldn't have happened with Yellow! They are top notch! They always had bright shiny and new trucks.
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Posted: 9/24/2023 7:26:24 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Aircraft and cars are made differently. I've seen aircraft with significantly more damage get put back together. I'm sure that it will need a new transmission and rotor head, but otherwise will just need damaged ribs, stringers, and sheet metal cut out and new stuff spliced back in. It will still need a dump truck full of cash to get it fixed, but probably a smaller one than it takes to get a whole new helicopter. It's a helicopter, the whole airframe hangs on the gear box. The gear box attachment points are MAJOR structural components. That helicopter is scrap. |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 7:27:09 PM EST
[#43]
lol
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Posted: 9/24/2023 7:35:15 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He's supposed to join the 21st Century and use an app like this: https://www.smarttruckroute.com/ Basically works like Google Maps but it accounts for things like bridge height, weight limit, hazardous routes, etc.... Of course there's always the possibility that he was using such a thing, but the data is wrong.... And if he hits something it's still his fault. So get out at every bridge and measure or lose your livelihood. |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 7:58:31 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: looks like a Sikorsky S-92 This ^^^ Lots of $$$ per copy |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 5:02:40 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seriously, what's the driver supposed to do? Pull over and personally check every bridge he goes under? Stop traffic so he can measure in the middle lane? There's bridges that you can't even stop near. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 7:44:25 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wouldn't have happened with Yellow! They are top notch! They always had bright shiny and new trucks. They can't follow instructions. Every one of their trucks I have seen has been white-but it says right on the truck what color to paint it. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 7:58:01 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He's supposed to join the 21st Century and use an app like this: https://www.smarttruckroute.com/ Basically works like Google Maps but it accounts for things like bridge height, weight limit, hazardous routes, etc.... Of course there's always the possibility that he was using such a thing, but the data is wrong.... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Seriously, what's the driver supposed to do? Pull over and personally check every bridge he goes under? Stop traffic so he can measure in the middle lane? There's bridges that you can't even stop near. He's supposed to join the 21st Century and use an app like this: https://www.smarttruckroute.com/ Basically works like Google Maps but it accounts for things like bridge height, weight limit, hazardous routes, etc.... Of course there's always the possibility that he was using such a thing, but the data is wrong.... Or the last resurfacing remove 2 inches and added 3 instead of removing 3 and adding 3. 1 inch can fuck you hard. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:20:18 PM EST
[#49]
I'm surprised there haven't been more details added to this thread. Seems like this is a pretty big deal and would have follow ups.
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Posted: 9/30/2023 3:00:26 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 1 inch can fuck you hard. I keep telling her that... |
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