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Posted: 7/29/2023 6:35:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 15 days to crush the economy came straight from the White House Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Trump was president when all this shit started  It was the Democrats who forced the shut down during the pandemic, not Trump. 15 days to crush the economy came straight from the White House And the Democrat governors kept their states locked down for months after that, or did you forget that? |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 6:36:48 PM EDT
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I called this a long time ago. And posted it on here.
They've been falling apart for a while. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/USF-Holland-and-Yellow-Trucking-is-falling-apart/5-2526809/ |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 6:37:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lmao at you reading comprehension disabled folks...this was managements fuck up...not the drivers. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Union peckerhead pricks lmao at you reading comprehension disabled folks...this was managements fuck up...not the drivers. Yes but GD hates nothing more than Unions, Harleys and Trump |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 6:40:58 PM EDT
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I've never seen anything good come from a union shop in the last 50 or so years. They certainly don't contribute anything to the bottom line except higher costs.
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Posted: 7/29/2023 6:44:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Union superbros take notes. You can not count on that employer funded retirement. Contribute to your own plan like my rat bastard ass did. Footage shared on TikTok shows one Yellow worker angrily shouting after learning his health care benefits and pension payments had ceased. The worker, who is believed to be operating in Florida , says: 'It's the motherf******s up there, I worked my a** for this company. This is my money y'all are playing with. F*** this s***.' The Gubmint will bail out any union retirement plan. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 6:48:26 PM EDT
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While in college, one summer I worked at an assembly plant that put together engines, transmissions, and axles. I was in the options area where we put all the extra crap on the engines before they went on the line to be mated to transmissions.
Yellow Freight engines were the Cadillacs. You had to put all kinds of extra valves and wiring harness brackets, etc. I can't remember which engine they used though. We had 8 liter Detroit Diesels, Cats, and Volvos. Anyway, Yellow Freight engines were obviously the most decked out. Now, they are kaput. Also, they're not yellow, they're orange!  You're ORANGE!! |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 6:51:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: yeah..this was the unions fault..right? Yellow is saddled with some $1.5 billion in debt as of late March, including $729.2 million owed to the federal government for a controversial pandemic-era loan the Treasury Department extended on national security grounds in 2020 |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 6:52:14 PM EDT
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The trucking giant on Friday told employees that it is 'shutting down regular operations' and laying off non-union employees 'at all of its locations' according to a memo seen by DailyMail.com. Fire the non-communists. It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it works out. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 6:53:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And the Democrat governors kept their states locked down for months after that, or did you forget that? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Trump was president when all this shit started It was the Democrats who forced the shut down during the pandemic, not Trump. 15 days to crush the economy came straight from the White House And the Democrat governors kept their states locked down for months after that, or did you forget that? So did most Republican governors. Did you forget that? Did you forget Trump talking shit to Brian Kemp when he opened Georgia back up? Trump handed the keys over to Fauci and let the dems run the show. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 6:55:46 PM EDT
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Unions are cancer.
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Posted: 7/29/2023 6:56:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes but GD hates nothing more than Unions, Harleys and Trump Never, ever, ever a truer fucking statement. This forum has more olderish guys that act like prepubescent teenage girls than any forum I’ve ever seen. Don’t feed the trolls. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 6:59:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Gubmint will bail out any union retirement plan. Are their retirement funds in a safe holding situation where company bankruptcy will not impact it? What about the Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation? Here is one example: Automotive Industries Plan Averts Insolvency and Reduction of Benefits Through Receipt of Special Financial Assistance For Immediate Release Date July 11, 2023 WASHINGTON, D.C. — The Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (PBGC) announced today that it has approved the application submitted to the Special Financial Assistance (SFA) Program by the Automotive Industries Pension Plan (Automotive Industries Plan). The plan, based in Dublin, California, covers 23,687 participants in the transportation industry. The Automotive Industries Plan will receive approximately $1.1 billion in special financial assistance, including interest to the expected date of payment to the plan. The plan was projected to become insolvent and run out of money in 2033. Without the SFA Program, the Automotive Industries Plan would have been required to reduce participants’ benefits to the PBGC guarantee levels upon plan insolvency, which is roughly 50 percent below the benefits payable under the terms of the plan. SFA will enable the plan to continue to pay retirement benefits without reduction for many years into the future. “Millions of people work for years, looking forward to the day when the promise of a secure, dignified retirement is kept,” said Acting Secretary of Labor Julie Su. “Today, the Biden-Harris administration is delivering on that promise for 23,687 workers by providing Special Financial Assistance in the Automotive Industries Pension Plan that ensures they can retire with the dignity they deserve.” |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 7:07:55 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are their retirement funds in a safe holding situation where company bankruptcy will not impact it? What about the Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Gubmint will bail out any union retirement plan. Are their retirement funds in a safe holding situation where company bankruptcy will not impact it? What about the Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation? Is the $36 billion given directly to the Central State Pension Fund safe? Absolutely! That pension fund has a long history of upstanding behavior and is rock solid. Somebody should make a movie about it. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 7:11:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: CEOs are the good guys? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Unions, fucking their workers and enriching the kingpins since their inception. CEOs are the good guys? |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 7:19:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you managed unionized employees? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unions, fucking their workers and enriching the kingpins since their inception. CEOs are the good guys? Don't waste your time. People here love to be fucked by their employer and hate anyone who thinks otherwise. Have you managed unionized employees? For 10 years now. I don’t seem to have the problems GD has. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 7:21:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is the $36 billion given directly to the Central State Pension Fund safe? Absolutely! That pension fund has a long history of upstanding behavior and is rock solid. Somebody should make a movie about it. Not everything is common knowledge: "The PBGC has approved approximately $35.8 billion in SFA, which the Fund received on January 12, 2023. The SFA funding will allow the Central States Pension Fund to avoid insolvency in 2025 and to make a full recovery – reaching full funding over time." From a Google search "Brady: Democrats Force Taxpayers to Cover Irresponsible Promises with Largest Private Pension Bailout in History Democrats rejected protections for union workers in other underfunded multi-employer plans that are not as politically connected as the Teamsters’ Central States plan. After the Biden Administration announced this morning it was forcing taxpayers to pay $35.8 billion to the Teamsters-run Central States Pension Fund, Ways and Means Republican Leader Rep. Kevin Brady (R-TX) issued the following statement: “The largest private pension bailout in American history—that only benefits a tiny minority of workers—comes thanks to Democrats allowing those who mismanaged pensions to determine whether their funds qualify for taxpayer assistance with no safeguards. “Despite years of bipartisan negotiations and recommendations, Democrats rejected protections for union workers in other underfunded multi-employer plans that are not as politically connected as the Teamsters’ Central States plan. “Now, American taxpayers are being forced to cover promises that pension trustees never should have been allowed to make.” Background: In their partisan so-called “stimulus,” Democrats included an unprecedented taxpayer-funded bailout of poorly mismanaged union- and employer-run pension plans in a bill that was supposed to be focused on crushing the virus and reopening the economy. The condition of multiemployer pensions is serious, and improving it requires thoughtful consideration and long-term solutions. Source Didn't one of the Democrat fraud bills bail out multiple Democrat city pension funds or similar financial fuckups? |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 7:33:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not everything is common knowledge: "The PBGC has approved approximately $35.8 billion in SFA, which the Fund received on January 12, 2023. The SFA funding will allow the Central States Pension Fund to avoid insolvency in 2025 and to make a full recovery – reaching full funding over time." From a Google search "Brady: Democrats Force Taxpayers to Cover Irresponsible Promises with Largest Private Pension Bailout in History Democrats rejected protections for union workers in other underfunded multi-employer plans that are not as politically connected as the Teamsters’ Central States plan. After the Biden Administration announced this morning it was forcing taxpayers to pay $35.8 billion to the Teamsters-run Central States Pension Fund, Ways and Means Republican Leader Rep. Kevin Brady (R-TX) issued the following statement: “The largest private pension bailout in American history—that only benefits a tiny minority of workers—comes thanks to Democrats allowing those who mismanaged pensions to determine whether their funds qualify for taxpayer assistance with no safeguards. “Despite years of bipartisan negotiations and recommendations, Democrats rejected protections for union workers in other underfunded multi-employer plans that are not as politically connected as the Teamsters’ Central States plan. “Now, American taxpayers are being forced to cover promises that pension trustees never should have been allowed to make.” Background: In their partisan so-called “stimulus,” Democrats included an unprecedented taxpayer-funded bailout of poorly mismanaged union- and employer-run pension plans in a bill that was supposed to be focused on crushing the virus and reopening the economy. The condition of multiemployer pensions is serious, and improving it requires thoughtful consideration and long-term solutions. Source Didn't one of the Democrat fraud bills bail out multiple Democrat city pension funds or similar financial fuckups? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is the $36 billion given directly to the Central State Pension Fund safe? Absolutely! That pension fund has a long history of upstanding behavior and is rock solid. Somebody should make a movie about it. Not everything is common knowledge: "The PBGC has approved approximately $35.8 billion in SFA, which the Fund received on January 12, 2023. The SFA funding will allow the Central States Pension Fund to avoid insolvency in 2025 and to make a full recovery – reaching full funding over time." From a Google search "Brady: Democrats Force Taxpayers to Cover Irresponsible Promises with Largest Private Pension Bailout in History Democrats rejected protections for union workers in other underfunded multi-employer plans that are not as politically connected as the Teamsters’ Central States plan. After the Biden Administration announced this morning it was forcing taxpayers to pay $35.8 billion to the Teamsters-run Central States Pension Fund, Ways and Means Republican Leader Rep. Kevin Brady (R-TX) issued the following statement: “The largest private pension bailout in American history—that only benefits a tiny minority of workers—comes thanks to Democrats allowing those who mismanaged pensions to determine whether their funds qualify for taxpayer assistance with no safeguards. “Despite years of bipartisan negotiations and recommendations, Democrats rejected protections for union workers in other underfunded multi-employer plans that are not as politically connected as the Teamsters’ Central States plan. “Now, American taxpayers are being forced to cover promises that pension trustees never should have been allowed to make.” Background: In their partisan so-called “stimulus,” Democrats included an unprecedented taxpayer-funded bailout of poorly mismanaged union- and employer-run pension plans in a bill that was supposed to be focused on crushing the virus and reopening the economy. The condition of multiemployer pensions is serious, and improving it requires thoughtful consideration and long-term solutions. Source Didn't one of the Democrat fraud bills bail out multiple Democrat city pension funds or similar financial fuckups? No idea on the city pension funds. Trump was at the helm when YRC/Yellow was loaned the $700 million “as a matter of national security”. In hindsight, that was just a loan to prop up the corpse long enough to give them time to cover the pension fund. Both sides are dirty on this one. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 7:36:29 PM EDT
[#18]
My dog could run Yellow better than the current management.
Roadway.....New Penn.....Jevic.....Preston.....New Holland....sure I'm forgetting at least one. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 7:36:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For those here blaming the union, obviously don't know the history of YFC |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 7:37:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Union superbros take notes. You can not count on that employer funded retirement. Contribute to your own plan like my rat bastard ass did. Footage shared on TikTok shows one Yellow worker angrily shouting after learning his health care benefits and pension payments had ceased. The worker, who is believed to be operating in Florida , says: 'It's the motherf******s up there, I worked my a** for this company. This is my money y'all are playing with. F*** this s***.' Yup, My pension evaporated when my employer closed. Lost about $2,000,000 |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 7:41:52 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not a union cheerleader or anything, but were they the ones who took out $1.5B worth of loans, or did the guys in the C-suite do that?  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Unions, fucking their workers and enriching the kingpins since their inception. Anyone on either side of a defined benefit retirement plan is negotiating in bad faith, given the huge amount of history with Steel, Airlines etc. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 7:42:02 PM EDT
[#22]
Remember how there seemed to be a shortage of truckers?
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Posted: 7/29/2023 7:43:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For 10 years now. I don’t seem to have the problems GD has. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unions, fucking their workers and enriching the kingpins since their inception. CEOs are the good guys? Don't waste your time. People here love to be fucked by their employer and hate anyone who thinks otherwise. Have you managed unionized employees? For 10 years now. I don’t seem to have the problems GD has. Either a small tight shop or...doubt. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 7:48:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Either a small tight shop or...doubt. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unions, fucking their workers and enriching the kingpins since their inception. CEOs are the good guys? Don't waste your time. People here love to be fucked by their employer and hate anyone who thinks otherwise. Have you managed unionized employees? For 10 years now. I don’t seem to have the problems GD has. Either a small tight shop or...doubt. Do you like electricity? Because that's what I do. And yes, I have my crews that run with me, because I treat them like people. They in return, work their asses off for me. Crazy isn't it. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 7:56:52 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For 10 years now. I don't seem to have the problems GD has. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unions, fucking their workers and enriching the kingpins since their inception. CEOs are the good guys? Don't waste your time. People here love to be fucked by their employer and hate anyone who thinks otherwise. Have you managed unionized employees? For 10 years now. I don't seem to have the problems GD has. Most don't have the issues that GD has. Many in GD act like the nerdy virgin in high school bragging about their girlfriend in some far off state that no one has ever met or heard from, so that they can try to provide backing to their fantasy scenarios and agendas. It normally sounds equally as embarrassing because in both scenarios neither knows what they are talking about. Managing union employees is pretty damn easy if you aren't pushing some agenda or preconceived notion as the agreement is in black and white and covers all those you manage versus non-union who all make their own individual snow flake deals. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 7:58:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you like electricity? Because that's what I do. And yes, I have my crews that run with me, because I treat them like people. They in return, work their asses off for me. Crazy isn't it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unions, fucking their workers and enriching the kingpins since their inception. CEOs are the good guys? Don't waste your time. People here love to be fucked by their employer and hate anyone who thinks otherwise. Have you managed unionized employees? For 10 years now. I don’t seem to have the problems GD has. Either a small tight shop or...doubt. Do you like electricity? Because that's what I do. And yes, I have my crews that run with me, because I treat them like people. They in return, work their asses off for me. Crazy isn't it. So small and tight. Try 50 to 100 so there's some anonymity. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 8:00:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most don't have the issues that GD has. Many in GD act like the nerdy virgin in high school bragging about their girlfriend in some far off state that no one has ever met or heard from, so that they can try to provide backing to their fantasy scenarios and agendas. It normally sounds equally as embarrassing because in both scenarios neither knows what they are talking about. Managing union employees is pretty damn easy if you aren't pushing some agenda or preconceived notion as the agreement is in black and white and covers all those you manage versus non-union who all make their own individual snow flake deals. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unions, fucking their workers and enriching the kingpins since their inception. CEOs are the good guys? Don't waste your time. People here love to be fucked by their employer and hate anyone who thinks otherwise. Have you managed unionized employees? For 10 years now. I don't seem to have the problems GD has. Most don't have the issues that GD has. Many in GD act like the nerdy virgin in high school bragging about their girlfriend in some far off state that no one has ever met or heard from, so that they can try to provide backing to their fantasy scenarios and agendas. It normally sounds equally as embarrassing because in both scenarios neither knows what they are talking about. Managing union employees is pretty damn easy if you aren't pushing some agenda or preconceived notion as the agreement is in black and white and covers all those you manage versus non-union who all make their own individual snow flake deals. LOL as long as you don't expect them to come to work on a regular basis, work in an efficient manner or clean themselves to an American standard of hygiene, they're awesome. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 8:05:26 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL as long as you don't expect them to come to work on a regular basis, work in an efficient manner or clean themselves to an American standard of hygiene, they're awesome. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 8:07:31 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure! Sure!!! The artificially inflated-over-market wages, pensions and benefits have absolutely NOTHING to do with the failure. Surrrrrrrrrre!  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 8:07:45 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So small and tight. Try 50 to 100 so there's some anonymity. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unions, fucking their workers and enriching the kingpins since their inception. CEOs are the good guys? Don't waste your time. People here love to be fucked by their employer and hate anyone who thinks otherwise. Have you managed unionized employees? For 10 years now. I don’t seem to have the problems GD has. Either a small tight shop or...doubt. Do you like electricity? Because that's what I do. And yes, I have my crews that run with me, because I treat them like people. They in return, work their asses off for me. Crazy isn't it. So small and tight. Try 50 to 100 so there's some anonymity. I just did a crew of about 80. Granted it was around the clock, so while I was responsible for nights, there was a lower manager in between. All the talented nonunion people I know went union. Can’t blame them, may as well get paid more for your talent with better benefits. The wages and benefits I see for nonunion doing the same work is a joke. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 8:08:26 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL as long as you don't expect them to come to work on a regular basis, work in an efficient manner or clean themselves to an American standard of hygiene, they're awesome. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unions, fucking their workers and enriching the kingpins since their inception. CEOs are the good guys? Don't waste your time. People here love to be fucked by their employer and hate anyone who thinks otherwise. Have you managed unionized employees? For 10 years now. I don't seem to have the problems GD has. Most don't have the issues that GD has. Many in GD act like the nerdy virgin in high school bragging about their girlfriend in some far off state that no one has ever met or heard from, so that they can try to provide backing to their fantasy scenarios and agendas. It normally sounds equally as embarrassing because in both scenarios neither knows what they are talking about. Managing union employees is pretty damn easy if you aren't pushing some agenda or preconceived notion as the agreement is in black and white and covers all those you manage versus non-union who all make their own individual snow flake deals. LOL as long as you don't expect them to come to work on a regular basis, work in an efficient manner or clean themselves to an American standard of hygiene, they're awesome. What industry do you work in? |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 8:09:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yea ... about that fantasy world I made mention of. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: LOL as long as you don't expect them to come to work on a regular basis, work in an efficient manner or clean themselves to an American standard of hygiene, they're awesome. You think that's fantasy? You think I don't work with them daily? Teamsters were no different. Nor are the education, police or SEIU. They are all shakedown artist. Of course they are little fish who have to kick the majority of their take to their democrat masters. I have never witnessed such an insular, selfish nor rationalizing group as a union shop. And I have seen many. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 8:11:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just did a crew of about 80. Granted it was around the clock, so while I was responsible for nights, there was a lower manager in between. All the talented nonunion people I know went union. Can’t blame them, may as well get paid more for your talent with better benefits. The wages and benefits I see for nonunion doing the same work is a joke. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unions, fucking their workers and enriching the kingpins since their inception. CEOs are the good guys? Don't waste your time. People here love to be fucked by their employer and hate anyone who thinks otherwise. Have you managed unionized employees? For 10 years now. I don’t seem to have the problems GD has. Either a small tight shop or...doubt. Do you like electricity? Because that's what I do. And yes, I have my crews that run with me, because I treat them like people. They in return, work their asses off for me. Crazy isn't it. So small and tight. Try 50 to 100 so there's some anonymity. I just did a crew of about 80. Granted it was around the clock, so while I was responsible for nights, there was a lower manager in between. All the talented nonunion people I know went union. Can’t blame them, may as well get paid more for your talent with better benefits. The wages and benefits I see for nonunion doing the same work is a joke. You are in Canada, this isn't an apples to apples conversation. And I'm not backing off. Take a group over 100 of (here's the key I am sure) low/no skilled unionized employees and keep them productive...indefinitely. It can be done of course but to suggest it's unicorns and skittles is the height of dishonesty. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 8:12:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You think that's fantasy? You think I don't work with them daily? Teamsters were no different. Nor are the education, police or SEIU. They are all shakedown artist. Of course they are little fish who have to kick the majority of their take to their democrat masters. I have never witnessed such an insular, selfish nor rationalizing group as a union shop. And I have seen many. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 8:13:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No I don't think you work with them daily and by many well you only have ten fingers, so..? For sure it could probably be almost 10 you've seen in your life unless you have graduated to toes? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You think that's fantasy? You think I don't work with them daily? Teamsters were no different. Nor are the education, police or SEIU. They are all shakedown artist. Of course they are little fish who have to kick the majority of their take to their democrat masters. I have never witnessed such an insular, selfish nor rationalizing group as a union shop. And I have seen many. Well, I suppose you are right. They work. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 8:15:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are in Canada, this isn't an apples to apples conversation. And I'm not backing off. Take a group over 100 of (here's the key I am sure) low/no skilled unionized employees and keep them productive...indefinitely. It can be done of course but to suggest it's unicorns and skittles is the height of dishonesty. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unions, fucking their workers and enriching the kingpins since their inception. CEOs are the good guys? Don't waste your time. People here love to be fucked by their employer and hate anyone who thinks otherwise. Have you managed unionized employees? For 10 years now. I don't seem to have the problems GD has. Either a small tight shop or...doubt. Do you like electricity? Because that's what I do. And yes, I have my crews that run with me, because I treat them like people. They in return, work their asses off for me. Crazy isn't it. So small and tight. Try 50 to 100 so there's some anonymity. I just did a crew of about 80. Granted it was around the clock, so while I was responsible for nights, there was a lower manager in between. All the talented nonunion people I know went union. Can't blame them, may as well get paid more for your talent with better benefits. The wages and benefits I see for nonunion doing the same work is a joke. You are in Canada, this isn't an apples to apples conversation. And I'm not backing off. Take a group over 100 of (here's the key I am sure) low/no skilled unionized employees and keep them productive...indefinitely. It can be done of course but to suggest it's unicorns and skittles is the height of dishonesty. I have provided technical advisory as the SME and hired for direct work for union in non-union workers in Canada and the US. The unionized trades in Canada are generally the same national unions as the State's and the workers were all very similar, even in Quebec. You are just full of shit or someone lacking much for diversification as it relates to open and closed shop employees on a national level. Please dribble out more horse shit though and don't forget to indicate your industry and what locals you were working with. Heck if you're froggy throw in some jobsite names for credibility. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 8:16:55 PM EDT
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Unions outweighed their usefulness decades ago. Now it's all extortion/money grab. If they let the unions dictate that much, let them fail.
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Posted: 7/29/2023 8:18:20 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have provided technical advisory as the SME and hired for direct work for union in non-union workers in Canada and the US. The unionized trades in Canada are generally the same national unions as the State's and the workers were all very similar, even in Quebec. You are just full of shit or someone lacking much for diversification as it relates to open and closed shop employees on a national level. Please dribble out more horse shit though and don't forget to indicate your industry and what locals you were working with. Heck if you're froggy throw in some jobsite names for credibility. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unions, fucking their workers and enriching the kingpins since their inception. CEOs are the good guys? Don't waste your time. People here love to be fucked by their employer and hate anyone who thinks otherwise. Have you managed unionized employees? For 10 years now. I don't seem to have the problems GD has. Either a small tight shop or...doubt. Do you like electricity? Because that's what I do. And yes, I have my crews that run with me, because I treat them like people. They in return, work their asses off for me. Crazy isn't it. So small and tight. Try 50 to 100 so there's some anonymity. I just did a crew of about 80. Granted it was around the clock, so while I was responsible for nights, there was a lower manager in between. All the talented nonunion people I know went union. Can't blame them, may as well get paid more for your talent with better benefits. The wages and benefits I see for nonunion doing the same work is a joke. You are in Canada, this isn't an apples to apples conversation. And I'm not backing off. Take a group over 100 of (here's the key I am sure) low/no skilled unionized employees and keep them productive...indefinitely. It can be done of course but to suggest it's unicorns and skittles is the height of dishonesty. I have provided technical advisory as the SME and hired for direct work for union in non-union workers in Canada and the US. The unionized trades in Canada are generally the same national unions as the State's and the workers were all very similar, even in Quebec. You are just full of shit or someone lacking much for diversification as it relates to open and closed shop employees on a national level. Please dribble out more horse shit though and don't forget to indicate your industry and what locals you were working with. Heck if you're froggy throw in some jobsite names for credibility. Just keep telling yourself that while you fill the coffers of the democrats. I'm sure it makes you feel better. Rationalization comes with vestment I suppose. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 8:19:20 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You are in Canada, this isn't an apples to apples conversation. And I'm not backing off. Take a group over 100 of (here's the key I am sure) low/no skilled unionized employees and keep them productive...indefinitely. It can be done of course but to suggest it's unicorns and skittles is the height of dishonesty. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unions, fucking their workers and enriching the kingpins since their inception. CEOs are the good guys? Don't waste your time. People here love to be fucked by their employer and hate anyone who thinks otherwise. Have you managed unionized employees? For 10 years now. I don’t seem to have the problems GD has. Either a small tight shop or...doubt. Do you like electricity? Because that's what I do. And yes, I have my crews that run with me, because I treat them like people. They in return, work their asses off for me. Crazy isn't it. So small and tight. Try 50 to 100 so there's some anonymity. I just did a crew of about 80. Granted it was around the clock, so while I was responsible for nights, there was a lower manager in between. All the talented nonunion people I know went union. Can’t blame them, may as well get paid more for your talent with better benefits. The wages and benefits I see for nonunion doing the same work is a joke. You are in Canada, this isn't an apples to apples conversation. And I'm not backing off. Take a group over 100 of (here's the key I am sure) low/no skilled unionized employees and keep them productive...indefinitely. It can be done of course but to suggest it's unicorns and skittles is the height of dishonesty. My last job was in Utah. Why would I surround myself with low skilled labor? My journeymen take pride in training apprentices safely and effectively. They are their future. Plus they don’t want to carry dead weight or be near unsafe people. Again, what industry are you working? If you’re working in unionized Starbucks or some other retail store, well, I don’t know what to tell ya. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 8:21:02 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just keep telling yourself that while you fill the coffers of the democrats. I'm sure it makes you feel better. Rationalization comes with vestment I suppose. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unions, fucking their workers and enriching the kingpins since their inception. CEOs are the good guys? Don't waste your time. People here love to be fucked by their employer and hate anyone who thinks otherwise. Have you managed unionized employees? For 10 years now. I don't seem to have the problems GD has. Either a small tight shop or...doubt. Do you like electricity? Because that's what I do. And yes, I have my crews that run with me, because I treat them like people. They in return, work their asses off for me. Crazy isn't it. So small and tight. Try 50 to 100 so there's some anonymity. I just did a crew of about 80. Granted it was around the clock, so while I was responsible for nights, there was a lower manager in between. All the talented nonunion people I know went union. Can't blame them, may as well get paid more for your talent with better benefits. The wages and benefits I see for nonunion doing the same work is a joke. You are in Canada, this isn't an apples to apples conversation. And I'm not backing off. Take a group over 100 of (here's the key I am sure) low/no skilled unionized employees and keep them productive...indefinitely. It can be done of course but to suggest it's unicorns and skittles is the height of dishonesty. I have provided technical advisory as the SME and hired for direct work for union in non-union workers in Canada and the US. The unionized trades in Canada are generally the same national unions as the State's and the workers were all very similar, even in Quebec. You are just full of shit or someone lacking much for diversification as it relates to open and closed shop employees on a national level. Please dribble out more horse shit though and don't forget to indicate your industry and what locals you were working with. Heck if you're froggy throw in some jobsite names for credibility. Just keep telling yourself that while you fill the coffers of the democrats. I'm sure it makes you feel better. Rationalization comes with vestment I suppose. I can't say I have ever donated to either party bud, but all the power to you if you choose to finance rich politicians. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 8:21:40 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you like electricity? Because that's what I do. And yes, I have my crews that run with me, because I treat them like people. They in return, work their asses off for me. Crazy isn't it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unions, fucking their workers and enriching the kingpins since their inception. CEOs are the good guys? Don't waste your time. People here love to be fucked by their employer and hate anyone who thinks otherwise. Have you managed unionized employees? For 10 years now. I don’t seem to have the problems GD has. Either a small tight shop or...doubt. Do you like electricity? Because that's what I do. And yes, I have my crews that run with me, because I treat them like people. They in return, work their asses off for me. Crazy isn't it. GD cannot understand that unions only still exist because management types still can't pop their heads out of their asses long enough to treat employees fairly. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 8:23:17 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My last job was in Utah. Why would I surround myself with low skilled labor? My journeymen take pride in training apprentices safely and effectively. They are their future. Plus they don't want to carry dead weight or be near unsafe people. Again, what industry are you working? If you're working in unionized Starbucks or some other retail store, well, I don't know what to tell ya. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unions, fucking their workers and enriching the kingpins since their inception. CEOs are the good guys? Don't waste your time. People here love to be fucked by their employer and hate anyone who thinks otherwise. Have you managed unionized employees? For 10 years now. I don't seem to have the problems GD has. Either a small tight shop or...doubt. Do you like electricity? Because that's what I do. And yes, I have my crews that run with me, because I treat them like people. They in return, work their asses off for me. Crazy isn't it. So small and tight. Try 50 to 100 so there's some anonymity. I just did a crew of about 80. Granted it was around the clock, so while I was responsible for nights, there was a lower manager in between. All the talented nonunion people I know went union. Can't blame them, may as well get paid more for your talent with better benefits. The wages and benefits I see for nonunion doing the same work is a joke. You are in Canada, this isn't an apples to apples conversation. And I'm not backing off. Take a group over 100 of (here's the key I am sure) low/no skilled unionized employees and keep them productive...indefinitely. It can be done of course but to suggest it's unicorns and skittles is the height of dishonesty. My last job was in Utah. Why would I surround myself with low skilled labor? My journeymen take pride in training apprentices safely and effectively. They are their future. Plus they don't want to carry dead weight or be near unsafe people. Again, what industry are you working? If you're working in unionized Starbucks or some other retail store, well, I don't know what to tell ya. Easiest place to get rid of a shitty worker is a unionized construction site. There are zero guarantees of employment, so you just lay them off and send them to hall. He is probably running electrical on commercial sites like hotels. Generally been the lowest caliber of construction worker I have had the pleasure of. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 8:23:29 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yea ... about that fantasy world I made mention of. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: LOL as long as you don't expect them to come to work on a regular basis, work in an efficient manner or clean themselves to an American standard of hygiene, they're awesome. give up..these are the same folks that blamed the Boeing 737 Max fiasco on the union. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 8:26:49 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: give up..these are the same folks that blamed the Boeing 737 Max fiasco on the union. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 8:27:44 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My last job was in Utah. Why would I surround myself with low skilled labor? My journeymen take pride in training apprentices safely and effectively. They are their future. Plus they don’t want to carry dead weight or be near unsafe people. Again, what industry are you working? If you’re working in unionized Starbucks or some other retail store, well, I don’t know what to tell ya. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unions, fucking their workers and enriching the kingpins since their inception. CEOs are the good guys? Don't waste your time. People here love to be fucked by their employer and hate anyone who thinks otherwise. Have you managed unionized employees? For 10 years now. I don’t seem to have the problems GD has. Either a small tight shop or...doubt. Do you like electricity? Because that's what I do. And yes, I have my crews that run with me, because I treat them like people. They in return, work their asses off for me. Crazy isn't it. So small and tight. Try 50 to 100 so there's some anonymity. I just did a crew of about 80. Granted it was around the clock, so while I was responsible for nights, there was a lower manager in between. All the talented nonunion people I know went union. Can’t blame them, may as well get paid more for your talent with better benefits. The wages and benefits I see for nonunion doing the same work is a joke. You are in Canada, this isn't an apples to apples conversation. And I'm not backing off. Take a group over 100 of (here's the key I am sure) low/no skilled unionized employees and keep them productive...indefinitely. It can be done of course but to suggest it's unicorns and skittles is the height of dishonesty. My last job was in Utah. Why would I surround myself with low skilled labor? My journeymen take pride in training apprentices safely and effectively. They are their future. Plus they don’t want to carry dead weight or be near unsafe people. Again, what industry are you working? If you’re working in unionized Starbucks or some other retail store, well, I don’t know what to tell ya. Not all unions are made up highly skilled and sought after individuals. I have about 1k union members and about 100 managers. The quality between them is not extreme. The vast majority of them are good at what they do and motivated. There are two reasons for that. I have been with them for 8 years with standards and expectations long set and accepted. Second and perhaps more importantly the positions are filled for the most part with Wyomingites. A more salt of the earth people you will not find in this country. Now...outside of Wyoming? It's a fucking nightmare. DO you think Amazon will 'improve' with a unionized workforce? Do you want our military to unionize? |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 8:28:13 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't say I have ever donated to either party bud, but all the power to you if you choose to finance rich politicians. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unions, fucking their workers and enriching the kingpins since their inception. CEOs are the good guys? Don't waste your time. People here love to be fucked by their employer and hate anyone who thinks otherwise. Have you managed unionized employees? For 10 years now. I don't seem to have the problems GD has. Either a small tight shop or...doubt. Do you like electricity? Because that's what I do. And yes, I have my crews that run with me, because I treat them like people. They in return, work their asses off for me. Crazy isn't it. So small and tight. Try 50 to 100 so there's some anonymity. I just did a crew of about 80. Granted it was around the clock, so while I was responsible for nights, there was a lower manager in between. All the talented nonunion people I know went union. Can't blame them, may as well get paid more for your talent with better benefits. The wages and benefits I see for nonunion doing the same work is a joke. You are in Canada, this isn't an apples to apples conversation. And I'm not backing off. Take a group over 100 of (here's the key I am sure) low/no skilled unionized employees and keep them productive...indefinitely. It can be done of course but to suggest it's unicorns and skittles is the height of dishonesty. I have provided technical advisory as the SME and hired for direct work for union in non-union workers in Canada and the US. The unionized trades in Canada are generally the same national unions as the State's and the workers were all very similar, even in Quebec. You are just full of shit or someone lacking much for diversification as it relates to open and closed shop employees on a national level. Please dribble out more horse shit though and don't forget to indicate your industry and what locals you were working with. Heck if you're froggy throw in some jobsite names for credibility. Just keep telling yourself that while you fill the coffers of the democrats. I'm sure it makes you feel better. Rationalization comes with vestment I suppose. I can't say I have ever donated to either party bud, but all the power to you if you choose to finance rich politicians. Ever paid dues? |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 8:31:39 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ever paid dues? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unions, fucking their workers and enriching the kingpins since their inception. CEOs are the good guys? Don't waste your time. People here love to be fucked by their employer and hate anyone who thinks otherwise. Have you managed unionized employees? For 10 years now. I don't seem to have the problems GD has. Either a small tight shop or...doubt. Do you like electricity? Because that's what I do. And yes, I have my crews that run with me, because I treat them like people. They in return, work their asses off for me. Crazy isn't it. So small and tight. Try 50 to 100 so there's some anonymity. I just did a crew of about 80. Granted it was around the clock, so while I was responsible for nights, there was a lower manager in between. All the talented nonunion people I know went union. Can't blame them, may as well get paid more for your talent with better benefits. The wages and benefits I see for nonunion doing the same work is a joke. You are in Canada, this isn't an apples to apples conversation. And I'm not backing off. Take a group over 100 of (here's the key I am sure) low/no skilled unionized employees and keep them productive...indefinitely. It can be done of course but to suggest it's unicorns and skittles is the height of dishonesty. I have provided technical advisory as the SME and hired for direct work for union in non-union workers in Canada and the US. The unionized trades in Canada are generally the same national unions as the State's and the workers were all very similar, even in Quebec. You are just full of shit or someone lacking much for diversification as it relates to open and closed shop employees on a national level. Please dribble out more horse shit though and don't forget to indicate your industry and what locals you were working with. Heck if you're froggy throw in some jobsite names for credibility. Just keep telling yourself that while you fill the coffers of the democrats. I'm sure it makes you feel better. Rationalization comes with vestment I suppose. I can't say I have ever donated to either party bud, but all the power to you if you choose to finance rich politicians. Ever paid dues? ever heard of "opt out"? |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 8:33:04 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ever heard of "opt out"? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unions, fucking their workers and enriching the kingpins since their inception. CEOs are the good guys? Don't waste your time. People here love to be fucked by their employer and hate anyone who thinks otherwise. Have you managed unionized employees? For 10 years now. I don't seem to have the problems GD has. Either a small tight shop or...doubt. Do you like electricity? Because that's what I do. And yes, I have my crews that run with me, because I treat them like people. They in return, work their asses off for me. Crazy isn't it. So small and tight. Try 50 to 100 so there's some anonymity. I just did a crew of about 80. Granted it was around the clock, so while I was responsible for nights, there was a lower manager in between. All the talented nonunion people I know went union. Can't blame them, may as well get paid more for your talent with better benefits. The wages and benefits I see for nonunion doing the same work is a joke. You are in Canada, this isn't an apples to apples conversation. And I'm not backing off. Take a group over 100 of (here's the key I am sure) low/no skilled unionized employees and keep them productive...indefinitely. It can be done of course but to suggest it's unicorns and skittles is the height of dishonesty. I have provided technical advisory as the SME and hired for direct work for union in non-union workers in Canada and the US. The unionized trades in Canada are generally the same national unions as the State's and the workers were all very similar, even in Quebec. You are just full of shit or someone lacking much for diversification as it relates to open and closed shop employees on a national level. Please dribble out more horse shit though and don't forget to indicate your industry and what locals you were working with. Heck if you're froggy throw in some jobsite names for credibility. Just keep telling yourself that while you fill the coffers of the democrats. I'm sure it makes you feel better. Rationalization comes with vestment I suppose. I can't say I have ever donated to either party bud, but all the power to you if you choose to finance rich politicians. Ever paid dues? ever heard of "opt out"? 
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Posted: 7/29/2023 8:38:09 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My aunt's bf was a Union truck driver for yellow had a stroke last month about a week before retirement. Now he can't drive has no Healthcare and it looks he loses the pension he for 30 years for. He doesn't vote Democrat. He hates pedo joe. His pension is still there. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 8:38:25 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: GD cannot understand that unions only still exist because management types still can't pop their heads out of their asses long enough to treat employees fairly. |
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