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Posted: 10/26/2017 4:48:46 PM EDT
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Diabetes kills nearly twice as many Americans a year and medical malpractice kills more than that. Why do worthless, no self-respect having dumbass, drug abusing shitlords rate so high on the concern chart? #LetPeopleOwnTheConsequencesOfTheirChoices. this situation is playing out as we speak up here in Alaska. governor called a special session - 2 items on the list 1)combat opiod related crime 2) install an income tax. it was all precipitated by a shitty bill that turned GTA into a misdemeanor. people are stealing cars, being released and then caught again the NEXT FUCKING day GTA'ng. they made pills hard to get - step 1 Heroin use exploded - step 2 Crime doubled and tripled -step 3 people are shouting mad and the solution is... income taxxx yay fucking government. |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 4:49:49 PM EDT
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http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/2017/10/26/opioid-arrest-insys-therapeutics-founder-indicted.html
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Posted: 10/26/2017 4:49:58 PM EDT
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What determines it to be an 'opioid'?
Like, is meth an opioid? Heroin? Pot? I iz confuzed. |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 4:52:50 PM EDT
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What determines it to be an 'opioid'? Like, is meth an opioid? Heroin? Pot? I iz confuzed. downers, pain killers. a cash crop for areas with little to no transport infrastructure (Afghanistan) because the harvest from acres of poppy fits on a camel... as opposed to the harvest from acres of corn, which would need roads and tractor trailers. |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 4:53:09 PM EDT
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Diabetes kills nearly twice as many Americans a year and medical malpractice kills more than that. Why do worthless, no self-respect having dumbass, drug abusing shitlords rate so high on the concern chart? #LetPeopleOwnTheConsequencesOfTheirChoices #FentanylCuresOpiodAbuse |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 4:53:31 PM EDT
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It easy to point the finger and blame doctors for all of this. But a lot of those deaths are people who never had a prescription for pain pills they were just looking for the next best way to get high. If people thought thought there was a way to get high drinking gasoline they would do. Some people will do anything to get high.
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Posted: 10/26/2017 4:55:05 PM EDT
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government needs to stay out of medicine let the doctors handle it let them decide which one of their patients needs pain meds and stay out of their way. |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 4:57:57 PM EDT
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For fucks sake start letting the dumb shits ODing on this crap die instead of bringing them back to life over and over and over and over ........ and see if that doesn't put a dent in the numbers. But, but, but every addict used to be a successful business man with a family, he got hooked by accident. This is the BS narrative i am tired of hearing. Around here you know good and damn well the types of people using this shit. Of 1000 addicts, 999 of them were pieces of shit before they started using. |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 5:00:05 PM EDT
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Yes. When I did the whole gall-bladder thing, they sent me home with 25 vicadins. (didn't need, didn't take). A couple weeks later, when they pulled my stitches, the doctor tried to prescribe me 50 more...I told him flat out, that I didn't need them.....he said: "oh, you will....". I took the scrip, in case he knew something I didn't. I never filled it, but damn.... 
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Doctors do have a habit of giving out pain meds to easily imo. When I did the whole gall-bladder thing, they sent me home with 25 vicadins. (didn't need, didn't take). A couple weeks later, when they pulled my stitches, the doctor tried to prescribe me 50 more...I told him flat out, that I didn't need them.....he said: "oh, you will....". I took the scrip, in case he knew something I didn't. I never filled it, but damn....
There is no doubt in my head that there is a problem with opiods, but I can't see a government program doing anything to help. Everybody responds differently. Had you needed them i.e, were in serious pain and had a hard time coping with even basic tasks you would have wanted them. On the other hand, if you said you didn't need or want them he should have listened. Or you could have refused the script. Doctors are generally in a bind, and "damned if they do, and damned if they don't". |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 5:01:43 PM EDT
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The biggest public health emergency is all the people that will be starving to death, murdering each other and committing suicide when interest rates rise and collapse this phony, debt-driven economy while simultaneously nuking the federal budget that has ballooned due to spending on stupid shit like this.
Never gonna happen though cause 'murica. |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 5:02:47 PM EDT
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For fucks sake start letting the dumb shits ODing on this crap die instead of bringing them back to life over and over and over and over ........ and see if that doesn't put a dent in the numbers. But, but, but every addict used to be a successful business man with a family, he got hooked by accident. This is the BS narrative i am tired of hearing. Around here you know good and damn well the types of people using this shit. Of 1000 addicts, 999 of them were pieces of shit before they started using. 
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Posted: 10/26/2017 5:04:37 PM EDT
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I'd take this more seriously if I weren't on hydrocodone right now.
As it is, my give a dam is busted. 
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Posted: 10/26/2017 5:10:23 PM EDT
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Pot thread somehow..
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Posted: 10/26/2017 5:18:00 PM EDT
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So long as borders are open - illegal drugs are going to come in...take pain sufferers off of the meds they need and they will go from doctors and pharmacies to street level heroin and fentynal which will kill them.
We don't see this problem in Mexico for example...why is that? We didn't see it to the same extent in the pre-DEA 1890's....why is that? Yet the MSM and 'do gooders' mix in the illegal opioid problem with a legal opioid pain 'problem'. Control the borders and 90% of the problem goes away. They already made opioids like Vicodin a schedule 1 drug which makes it very hard legally to get unless you have real long term pain issues. Again making legal pain drugs harder to get will simply lead to a much bigger black market in which illegal drugs coming across the border will become the replacement for users....that BTW has already happened which is the reason 90% of users are OD'ing. Most of those OD'ing are not using legal drugs, but illegal drugs, yet I am not seeing that very real distinction being made. But in this case many users are seeking pain relief; which if you have ever suffered from long term and intensely, you will seek alternate illegal means if legal means are taken away. Reminds me of what I've read about prohibition....where we went from people drinking beer to after a ban - to illegal moonshine which left thousands either blind or dead. Those supporting this type of of action are supporting people going from regulated drugs and doses to illegal unknown drugs and doses...that is reality like it or not....the black market will flourish even more and deaths will increase....mark my words and study history. Again, control the border and 90% of deaths goes away...that is where the real problem lies. |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 5:22:29 PM EDT
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It needs a catchy new name....
Whore On Bugs 2.0 Whore on Slugs 2.0 Hoar on Rugs 2.0 Something like this. |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 5:24:39 PM EDT
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So long as borders are open - illegal drugs are going to come in...take pain sufferers off of the meds they need and they will go from doctors and pharmacies to street level heroin and fentynal which will kill them. We don't see this problem in Mexico for example...why is that? We didn't see it to the same extent in the pre-DEA 1890's....why is that? Yet the MSM and 'do gooders' mix in the illegal opioid problem with a legal opioid pain 'problem'. Control the borders and 90% of the problem goes away. They already made opioids like Vicodin a schedule 1 drug which makes it very hard legally to get unless you have real long term pain issues. Again making legal pain drugs harder to get will simply lead to a much bigger black market in which illegal drugs coming across the border will become the replacement for users....that BTW has already happened which is the reason 90% of users are OD'ing. Most of those OD'ing are not using legal drugs, but illegal drugs, yet I am not seeing that very real distinction being made. But in this case many users are seeking pain relief; which if you have ever suffered from long term and intensely, you will seek alternate illegal means if legal means are taken away. Reminds me of what I've read about prohibition....where we went from people drinking beer to after a ban - to illegal moonshine which left thousands either blind or dead. Those supporting this type of of action are supporting people going from regulated drugs and doses to illegal unknown drugs and doses...that is reality like it or not....the black market will flourish even more and deaths will increase....mark my words and study history. Again, control the border and 90% of deaths goes away...that is where the real problem lies. A certain percent of the population will always want to get high,and will do whatever it takes to do it,and someone will come along and provide it-sealed borders or not. Do they still huff paint from aerosol cans?Redi-whip cans? Inmates in prisons still make alcohol. It's a never ending battle costing us trillions of dollars,lots of lives,and freedom and Liberty. 
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Posted: 10/26/2017 5:28:50 PM EDT
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It won't be the addicts or the dealers that suffer but the chronic pain patients who have a legitimate need for such meds.  True.
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Posted: 10/26/2017 5:31:57 PM EDT
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It seems like a self solving problem if we would stop saving them when they overdose. |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 5:32:23 PM EDT
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Growing gov't. It is the American way.  . Seems appropriate
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Posted: 10/26/2017 5:33:27 PM EDT
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Sessions is a moron who need to be retired or fired. I don't see this doing much to fix the problem and it may well make it worse as it drives up costs and decreases availability of a known quantity/quality medicine and addicts move towards cheaper and more available street drugs such as heroin. Mexico is already moving away from marijuana towards the more profitable, and actually addictive, drugs anyways.
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Posted: 10/26/2017 5:38:26 PM EDT
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"Make grants available to those who have had trouble finding work due to addiction "
So we are supposed to give money to addicts so they don't have to work? How is that supposed to help the problem? |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 6:10:49 PM EDT
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U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions equated the opioid epidemic to a personal failing by many Americans who cannot “say no” to drugs on Thursday, and he said that marijuana could be serving as a gateway to the problem. 
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Posted: 10/26/2017 6:20:12 PM EDT
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Talk to the “pain is the fifth vital sign,” “customer satisfaction is good medicine” and the “culture of pain” people. Regular docs never wanted it to be like this... but JCAHO, CMS, Press-Ganey, and innumerable administrators/regulators/accrediting-bodies have been on our backs for the last 20 years, demanding that we treat pain aggressively. Well... here we are. An entire generation of physicians have now been trained in this philosophy, and look where we are. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Doctors do have a habit of giving out pain meds to easily imo. Regular docs never wanted it to be like this... but JCAHO, CMS, Press-Ganey, and innumerable administrators/regulators/accrediting-bodies have been on our backs for the last 20 years, demanding that we treat pain aggressively. Well... here we are. An entire generation of physicians have now been trained in this philosophy, and look where we are. ETA it was Hydrocodone. Not sure if that's considered an opioid or not. |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 6:22:23 PM EDT
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War on Drugs
War on Poverty War on Hunger Everything the .gov declares war on (domestically) we seem to get more of.
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Posted: 10/26/2017 6:32:12 PM EDT
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opium derivative. heroin, oxy etc. downers, pain killers. a cash crop for areas with little to no transport infrastructure (Afghanistan) because the harvest from acres of poppy fits on a camel... as opposed to the harvest from acres of corn, which would need roads and tractor trailers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What determines it to be an 'opioid'? Like, is meth an opioid? Heroin? Pot? I iz confuzed. downers, pain killers. a cash crop for areas with little to no transport infrastructure (Afghanistan) because the harvest from acres of poppy fits on a camel... as opposed to the harvest from acres of corn, which would need roads and tractor trailers. Then why the hell does weed keep getting thrown in with it? Cannabis is related to hops, which is made into beer. By that logic, then beer is an opioid also. |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 6:39:52 PM EDT
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I've had more than one doctor tell me this and I agree. Hell, I've been prescribed all kinds of shit over the years for pain management after minor procedures. Most I never even filled. 4 Motrin worked just fine, albeit a little discomfort. I don't remember what they prescribed me after my vasectomy, but I took one dose and decided that was it. Did not like that feeling. ETA it was Hydrocodone. Not sure if that's considered an opioid or not. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Doctors do have a habit of giving out pain meds to easily imo. Regular docs never wanted it to be like this... but JCAHO, CMS, Press-Ganey, and innumerable administrators/regulators/accrediting-bodies have been on our backs for the last 20 years, demanding that we treat pain aggressively. Well... here we are. An entire generation of physicians have now been trained in this philosophy, and look where we are. ETA it was Hydrocodone. Not sure if that's considered an opioid or not. As in the pain they feel from withdrawl is so bad its worth the risk of sticking a needle in their arm and putting some shit in a bag into their blood just to make it stop. That is the kind of addiction we're talking about. |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 6:48:52 PM EDT
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I will never get that guys obsession with weed. He's an out of touch old twat, no different than the gun grabbers. |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 7:06:37 PM EDT
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Sessions is a dipshit.
While I do tend to agree with those who see this as a self-correcting problem, most Americans aren’t going to accept 63,000 deaths per year. What’s the answer? Hell if I know, but I fully expect the government to make the problem worse. |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 7:09:19 PM EDT
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because diabetics dont roam the city pillaging in search of sugar. "Fat Acceptance Movement" |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 7:11:10 PM EDT
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It won't be the addicts or the dealers that suffer but the chronic pain patients who have a legitimate need for such meds. 
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Posted: 10/26/2017 7:28:05 PM EDT
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War on Drugs 2017 and GO
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Posted: 10/26/2017 7:41:39 PM EDT
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We have a stupid backwards government. (President?)
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Posted: 10/26/2017 7:51:49 PM EDT
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It is. Opioids cause some people to not like the side effects as yourself. In some folks it causes a pure orgasmic high, flush of dopamine and pleasure they've never felt and they become truly, VERY physically addicted to it. As in the pain they feel from withdrawl is so bad its worth the risk of sticking a needle in their arm and putting some shit in a bag into their blood just to make it stop. That is the kind of addiction we're talking about. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Doctors do have a habit of giving out pain meds to easily imo. Regular docs never wanted it to be like this... but JCAHO, CMS, Press-Ganey, and innumerable administrators/regulators/accrediting-bodies have been on our backs for the last 20 years, demanding that we treat pain aggressively. Well... here we are. An entire generation of physicians have now been trained in this philosophy, and look where we are. ETA it was Hydrocodone. Not sure if that's considered an opioid or not. As in the pain they feel from withdrawl is so bad its worth the risk of sticking a needle in their arm and putting some shit in a bag into their blood just to make it stop. That is the kind of addiction we're talking about. 
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Posted: 10/26/2017 8:17:12 PM EDT
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I guess I'll never get it, then. It made me feel like Dave Chapelle's crack head character appeared. Itchy, twitchy, couldn't sleep etc. It fucking sucked. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Doctors do have a habit of giving out pain meds to easily imo. Regular docs never wanted it to be like this... but JCAHO, CMS, Press-Ganey, and innumerable administrators/regulators/accrediting-bodies have been on our backs for the last 20 years, demanding that we treat pain aggressively. Well... here we are. An entire generation of physicians have now been trained in this philosophy, and look where we are. ETA it was Hydrocodone. Not sure if that's considered an opioid or not. As in the pain they feel from withdrawl is so bad its worth the risk of sticking a needle in their arm and putting some shit in a bag into their blood just to make it stop. That is the kind of addiction we're talking about. Look I'm not defending addicts but their pain is real. My only advice is you learned something about yourself. "I feel like shit if I take this, therefore I should never take it otherwise it will only get worse" I'm not being preachy. I had a script for Xanax and realized it made me feel way too good so I stopped taking it knowing how dangerous it could be. That's where the personal responsibility comes in. Stop the addiction before it starts. Because once the true physical addiction sets in the basal brain will take over. It will get what it wants. It will overrule the cognitive brain. These drugs are very dangerous. They are great for pain but must be administered properly. I am not a doctor. |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 8:17:50 PM EDT
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Don’t care.
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Posted: 10/26/2017 8:24:36 PM EDT
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Diabetes kills nearly twice as many Americans a year and medical malpractice kills more than that. Why do worthless, no self-respect having dumbass, drug abusing shitlords rate so high on the concern chart? #LetPeopleOwnTheConsequencesOfTheirChoices #FentanylCuresOpiodAbuse
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Posted: 10/26/2017 8:34:02 PM EDT
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Diabetes kills nearly twice as many Americans a year and medical malpractice kills more than that. Why do worthless, no self-respect having dumbass, drug abusing shitlords rate so high on the concern chart? #LetPeopleOwnTheConsequencesOfTheirChoices #FentanylCuresOpiodAbuse Anti-gunner: “OMG! Look at how many people are killed by guns!” NRA: “Those numbers don’t reflect a real risk/benefit calculation. You don’t talk about DGUs (defensive gun usages), and guns actually save millions of lives...” Anti-gunner: “F*ck that sh*t, you baby killer!!” Get back to me when you compare those rookie numbers to the lives-saved numbers. |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 8:45:09 PM EDT
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Maybe we should declare war on these opioids.
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Posted: 10/26/2017 8:47:05 PM EDT
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Opiod use is out of control and often has users who are not normal drug addict profile types.
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Posted: 10/26/2017 9:00:22 PM EDT
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Opiod use is out of control and often has users who are not normal drug addict profile types. |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 9:03:02 PM EDT
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Fucking Sessions is such an ignorant dumb fuck.
"Derrrrrr git dem doperrrrrsss!" |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 9:05:16 PM EDT
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It won't be the addicts or the dealers that suffer but the chronic pain patients who have a legitimate need for such meds. |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 9:45:22 PM EDT
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Fuck dopers of all sorts.
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Posted: 10/26/2017 9:48:57 PM EDT
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I can't be the only one who thinks this is a political move to play the Dem's game of "who cares more about people". War on drugs was stupid, but this takes the wind out of the sails of the anti gunners and forces the "lets care about people" agenda onto team Trump. It wins independent votes and shows women voters he cares. It's smart.
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Posted: 10/26/2017 9:50:49 PM EDT
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hes not wrong heroin use is out of control in the recent decade I just don't know that agree with the traditional way of dealing with it. the war on drugs obviously hasn't been very successful but you can't deny that its a serious problem. Around here that translates to massive homelessness and then the city enables it by allowing public camping and homeless camps to pop up. I am sick of hearing this bullshit. The vast majority of people in the US to not use illegal drugs. This is not a crisis. It is not an epidemic. Let those addicts die and get them out of our society so they stop sucking up public resources. |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 9:51:56 PM EDT
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Pain pills are bad for you? Now they tell me.
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Posted: 10/26/2017 9:53:49 PM EDT
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Fucking Sessions is sucyh an ignorant dumb fuck. "Derrrrrr git dem doperrrrrsss!" |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 10:00:47 PM EDT
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The DEA and the ATF should be defunded and that stupid war on drugs. Prohibition didn't work and neither will this. It will hurt those who need it and do nothing to stop the illegal traffic.
A local outfit is just cutting the amount of pills so now a person has to go twice or three times to get what they need and that is costing them extra doctors visits.....as long as there is demand there will be supply. |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 10:21:47 PM EDT
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I can't be the only one who thinks this is a political move to play the Dem's game of "who cares more about people". War on drugs was stupid, but this takes the wind out of the sails of the anti gunners and forces the "lets care about people" agenda onto team Trump. It wins independent votes and shows women voters he cares. It's smart. |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 10:38:47 PM EDT
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The DEA and the ATF should be defunded and that stupid war on drugs. Prohibition didn't work and neither will this. It will hurt those who need it and do nothing to stop the illegal traffic. A local outfit is just cutting the amount of pills so now a person has to go twice or three times to get what they need and that is costing them extra doctors visits.....as long as there is demand there will be supply. Stop and think about that for a minute. You think those boys want to lose their jobs, get laid off or deal with budget cuts? As more addicts are created, that is the DEA's incentive and gain. So there you have the Pharmaceutical Industry and the Anti-Narcotics people profiting from an opioid crisis. Win/Win for DEA and Pharmaceutical Companies, Lose/Lose for Patients and Future Addicts. In that context, it's funny how both the DEA and the Pharmaceutical Companies want to dump millions in to their efforts to ban Kratom...why? Because it helps people to quit the Narcotics that provide their paychecks. Fucking swamp, it's ugly, dark and deep. But we've got miles to go, and for our grandchildren, promises to keep. |
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