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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:12:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trump has accomplished more than any other president in my lifetime yet you continue to bash him. Quote HistoryQuoted: Trump has accomplished more than any other president in my lifetime yet you continue to bash him. Trump promised to over-turn Obamacare... Trump lied to get elected. Trump promised to balance the budget, and eliminate deficit spending, and pay-off the deficit... Trump lied to get elected. Trump promised to increase gun rights... Trump lied to get elected. Trump promised that Mexico would pay for the border wall... Trump lied to get elected. Trump has told more blatant lies to get elected. More than any other president in your or my lifetimes... Quoted:
I don't believe you are a conservative or even a Republican for that matter. Trump was a Democrat-funding Democrat... Quoted:
I think you are a troll who is trying his best to spread the media's talking points to sow doubt and keep people from supporting or voting for Trump in 2020. Here is a list of some of Trump's accomplishments for you to complain about and tear down: Quoted:
Nominated and confirmed Justice Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court.. Here is an unofficial list of potential nominees for the Supreme Court if Mitt Romney is elected president in November... Judge Brett Kavanaugh, U.S. Court of Appeals, D.C. Circuit Judge Neil Gorsuch, 10th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals, Denver |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:14:14 PM EDT
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Does anyone think there's a Republican who will enforce this law? If so, you're a fool.
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:19:21 PM EDT
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What is your evidence a wall won't work? The wall between San Diego and Tijuana works. Quote HistoryQuoted:
What is your evidence a wall won't work? The wall between San Diego and Tijuana works. A wall is meaningless when employers can get droves of visas to bring them here, and there is zero accountability if they go back... Quoted:
The wall around the Vatican works. And the Vatican is not bringing folks in without accountability if they leave or not. You are trying to defend a relatively short fence --that won't really protect the border-- in exchange for DACA??-?? In exchange for citizenship??-?? Quoted:
This assertion that a wall won't work, without a scintilla of evidence or research to support the position, has gotten traction and become a leftist talking point. Massive evidence that the illegals here have no intention of leaving, and are out-breeding us in droves... FAKE NEWS, FAKE NEWS! BUILD THE SHORT FENCE, GIVE THE DREAMERS RIGHTS, ALL PROBLEMS ARE FIXED! The leftist talking point is that "dreamers" should become citizens... Trump is giving them what they want... We (conservatives) wanted Hillary put in prison, Mexico to pay for the wall, and Obamcare to get over-turned... What we are getting is a deal for dreamers, and more Democrat-funding Fed LE... |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:21:04 PM EDT
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I get some criticism of Trump. He's said and done done things I disagree with. But when never trumpers start trotting out guys like Jeb! or McCain, or Romney as the gold standard they lose all credibility with me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The kangaroo should read this before posting his wall of text gibberish. Most criticism of Trump can be boiled down to this: 1. Unrealistic expectations that what they heard during the campaign was exactly what they were going to get during negotiations with democrats and RINOs. Hahaha gotta laugh at that 2. Their preferred candidate( Clinton, Romney or some other "conservative" that didn't get votes) lost and they are sore losers. 3. They can't stand the fact a reality show businessman won and is actually successful and effective at beating back the left. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:24:30 PM EDT
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Everify and bang anyone illegally employing illegals.
No money & no benefits = self deportation. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:24:51 PM EDT
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Can you read? That 700K was not just Tyson They bring them here each year. A large portion of them don't leave, then they bring more the next year... On and on. It adds up... It has been adding up. It is correct to say that the majority of illegals in the US entered the country legally... I do not know how it is possible to argue with those facts... It is also correct to say that Trumps relatively short border fence --that he is bargaining away conservative ideals with (deals for citizenship and dreamers)-- won't solve the immigration crisis. If the budget was balanced. If the deal did not include more Fed LE. If the deal did not include deficit spending. If the deal included targeting businesses that bring-in illegals... And if the deal included kicking illegals off welfare. I would support the wall (short fence). But... Here is where we are at. The deal includes a lot of things I do not like. The wall itself is harmless, except that it is an expensive use of deficit spending.. Build the wall! But not in exchange for more Fed LE, not with deficit spending, and not with deals for illegals already here... |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:26:01 PM EDT
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Calm the fuck down. What does no real push mean? Do you think this get arrested and get deported is a real push or no real push? You have no idea, that what’s great about the phrase, no real push. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:27:38 PM EDT
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Get every illegal an Id card. A felony if it is not on their body. Set a time limit to start naturalization, and a time to finish. Expulsion if either condition is not met. A heavy tax to be paid while not a citizen. Zero welfare in any form. Zero dollars flowing to support foreign families. Zero anchor babies, before or after implementation. Secure the border in a phased plan starting with heavy armed patrols while building a real wall, not silly fences for show. Put mobile forts based on mining truck chassis along the border augmented with aerial surveillance and fast armed patrols in between. Space no more than 100 miles apart to start. Plug every inch of the border. Sanction the Mexicans for providing advice and training materials instructing Mexicans and no doubt Central Americans on the processes to exploit the largess of US taxpayers. Get the Mexican government in court to enforce asylum laws. Enforce US labor laws with heavy fines for "careless" employment. Expel criminals. Execute the rapists and killers, and make that an option for identity theft. 
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:28:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:30:20 PM EDT
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Republicans want their grass cut cheap too. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:31:13 PM EDT
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Paul defended gun rights and fought against Trumps gun control push... Link Flake had a better record than most Republicans, and voted with Trump more than almost any other Republican... Flake had an 86% record... Link Flakes problem was that he repeated the well-known truth: Trump is a fraud and a phony. Romney deported illegals as Governor... And ordered his state police to enforce immigration laws... Link Romney cut taxes and government programs... Link Romney increased gun rights... Link Trump failed. Trump failed to lead. Trump failed to unite Republicans. Trump was claiming he was going to unite Republicans in one breath, then attacking Republicans in the next. Either he was lying, or trying to create a scapegoat for his failures. Yes, Trump failed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Keep voting for the likes of Paul RINO, McCain, Romney, Flake, Collins, Murkowski and Corker....you will see many many more conservative agenda items crash and burn. Flake had a better record than most Republicans, and voted with Trump more than almost any other Republican... Flake had an 86% record... Link Flakes problem was that he repeated the well-known truth: Trump is a fraud and a phony. Romney deported illegals as Governor... And ordered his state police to enforce immigration laws... Link Romney cut taxes and government programs... Link Romney increased gun rights... Link Quoted:
Trump didn't fail. Republicans failed to support their own agenda. Trump failed to lead. Trump failed to unite Republicans. Trump was claiming he was going to unite Republicans in one breath, then attacking Republicans in the next. Either he was lying, or trying to create a scapegoat for his failures. Yes, Trump failed. I watched it all unfold buddy. Your RINO buddies tried to undermine him from the start. GTFO! |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:32:29 PM EDT
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If Mexico loses one of their main sources of income-remittances-and that money stays here, Mexico paid for the wall. Quote HistoryQuoted:
If Mexico loses one of their main sources of income-remittances-and that money stays here, Mexico paid for the wall. Trump is promising deals to illegals here for his short fence. Lol, rofl. Holy crap. Holy crap. Trump is offering dreamers and illegal immigrants deals. Do you think that they will send less to Mexico as an American citizen? Lol, rofl... Here is Trump exact words FROM 2016... Donald Trump says he would force Mexico to pay for a border wall as president by threatening to cut off the flow of billions of dollars in payments that immigrants send home to the country, an idea that could decimate the Mexican economy and set up an unprecedented showdown between the United States and a key regional ally. In a two-page memo to The Washington Post, Trump outlined for the first time how he would seek to force Mexico to pay for his 1,000-mile border fence, which Trump has made a cornerstone of his presidential campaign and which has been repeatedly scoffed at by current and former Mexican leaders. The proposal would jeopardize a stream of cash that many economists say is vital for Mexico’s struggling economy. But the feasibility of Trump’s plan is unclear both legally and politically, and it would test the bounds of a president’s executive powers in seeking to pressure another country. In the memo, Trump said he would threaten to change a rule under the USA Patriot Act antiterrorism law to cut off a portion of the funds sent to Mexico through money transfers, commonly known as remittances. The threat would be withdrawn if Mexico made “a one-time payment of $5-10 billion” to pay for the border wall, he wrote. “It’s an easy decision for Mexico,” Trump said in the memo, on campaign stationery emblazoned with “TRUMP Make America Great Again!” Under Trumps current plan, remittances are not being threatened... In fact, they are safe as ever... |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:34:00 PM EDT
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You call a guy who promoted fake intelligence to spy on an American citizen a hero. You've called him that several times. Same as Trumps poor negotiation skills, and his failure after failure campaign promises... McCain is more of a hero --based on his war record, which Trump attacked-- than Trump will ever be... |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:35:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s silly. Trump is offering deals --to dreamers, amnesty, and probably citizenship for illegals by the time this is done-- and folks think the flow of money from the US to Mexico is in jeopardy. Laughable. Outright laughable. The money to Mexico (which was Trumps original promise of how he was going to pay for the wall) has never been safer... |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:39:21 PM EDT
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Anyone who ever believed there was gonna be a big round up of illegals is mentally deficient What of those folks...? I called Trump a liar at the time, said he had no honest plan to do that, and was told --essentially-- that I was wrong and mentally deficient... 
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:40:34 PM EDT
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The kangaroo should read this before posting his wall of text gibberish. Only long-term good Trump has done for conservatives was appointing Romneys list of SCOTUS picks... |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:41:43 PM EDT
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Absolutely. Every politician deserves some criticism. Most criticism of Trump can be boiled down to this: 1. Unrealistic expectations that what they heard during the campaign was exactly what they were going to get during negotiations with democrats and RINOs. Hahaha gotta laugh at that 2. Their preferred candidate( Clinton, Romney or some other "conservative" that didn't get votes) lost and they are sore losers. 3. They can't stand the fact a reality show businessman won and is actually successful and effective at beating back the left. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The kangaroo should read this before posting his wall of text gibberish. Most criticism of Trump can be boiled down to this: 1. Unrealistic expectations that what they heard during the campaign was exactly what they were going to get during negotiations with democrats and RINOs. Hahaha gotta laugh at that 2. Their preferred candidate( Clinton, Romney or some other "conservative" that didn't get votes) lost and they are sore losers. 3. They can't stand the fact a reality show businessman won and is actually successful and effective at beating back the left. Trump's beat back the left so hard we're gonna have a full-on socialist nominee running for Democrats by 2020 in an election Republicans can no longer win. Fuck, not even Hillary was such a terrifyingly steep decline as that. Trump really did "blow up the political system" as I remember lots of morons cheering for in 2016. Our last checks on federal and DNC power fall like dominoes. It appears socialist control is what will come out of those ashes...just as many Trump skeptics predicted. So everything is really moot, now. If you save money, it will be expropriated in the coming decades. Your house & car will be made unaffordable for you. Every mechanism that allows you to persist without relying on fedgov/DNC will be systematically attacked & made illegal. Trump didn't work out. The only question left, is where to go next? The US is probably no longer a good place to stick around for working men under age 30, and the Democrats haven't yet made it illegal to abandon ship. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:42:26 PM EDT
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Yep. And Trump used imported labor at his hotels and properties. Tyson Chicken has busses full of immigrants enter the US to work at their plants legally. Legally. Idiots and morons think a wall will fix the immigration problem. The wall is to draw attention away from the *real* problem... employers. Employers and welfare. Trump lied. Trump has failed on every level. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Republicans want their grass cut cheap too. And Trump used imported labor at his hotels and properties. Tyson Chicken has busses full of immigrants enter the US to work at their plants legally. Legally. Idiots and morons think a wall will fix the immigration problem. The wall is to draw attention away from the *real* problem... employers. Employers and welfare. Trump lied. Trump has failed on every level. Fuck mittens for good measure! |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:42:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not the way I read it. He said McCain had his "war record", and that it was separate from his less than stellar political career. McCains political record cannot be defended from a conservative perspective. For the record, neither can Trumps which includes financial and material support for Hillary and Kamala Harris. What Trump does not have is McCains war record. Which Trump has openly mocked and attacked. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:43:58 PM EDT
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Likely. I don't even care anymore. The whole planet is self-destructing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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one term president.. I don't even care anymore. The whole planet is self-destructing. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:46:03 PM EDT
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This You're fucking delusional if you think any President form any Party is going to round up 11+ million people and stick them on southbound busses. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It was never going to happen anyway and it won't matter if there's no wall. Fix the leak first, then bail out the boat. You're fucking delusional if you think any President form any Party is going to round up 11+ million people and stick them on southbound busses. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:46:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is the legal status of immigrants in the U.S.? Link The majority of immigrants settling in the U.S. without authorization are first coming to the country legally Link Two-thirds of those who arrived in 2014 did not illegally cross a border, but were admitted (after screening) on non-immigrant (temporary) visas, and then overstayed their period of admission or otherwise violated the terms of their visas. Moreover, this trend in increasing percentages of visa overstays will likely continue into the foreseeable future. Link DHS Releases Fiscal Year 2017 Entry/Exit Overstay Report "This report separates Visa Waiver Program (VWP) country overstay figures from non--VWP country figures. For VWP countries, the FY 2017 Suspected In-Country Overstay rate was 0.51 percent of the 22,472,710 expected departures." Link For 7th Consecutive Year, Visa Overstays Exceeded Illegal Border Crossings Link Think about that for a minute... ~half of the folks on the busses getting driven here by Tyson Chicken (or Trump corp, etc) don't leave. Then the next year, same busses filled to the brim for the work season... Half stay. Next year same thing. Year after year. The vast (and extreme) majority of illegals in this country would not be stopped by a wall. The wall talk is a political distraction... |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:47:30 PM EDT
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Am I supposed to be surprised by this? |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:49:10 PM EDT
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There's not old posts of yours around here cheering Trump and bragging about how he's gonna do mass deportations, or lock up Hillary, or all the other shit he promised...are there? Or if so, were you just joking? During 2016, a lot of Trump's supporters sure seemed dead serious, especially with how they shouted down anyone who hedged like you're doing today. Trump's beat back the left so hard we're gonna have a full-on socialist nominee running for Democrats by 2020 in an election Republicans can no longer win. Fuck, not even Hillary was such a terrifyingly steep decline as that. Trump really did "blow up the political system" as I remember lots of morons cheering for in 2016. Our last checks on federal and DNC power fall like dominoes. It appears socialist control is what will come out of those ashes...just as many Trump skeptics predicted. So everything is really moot, now. If you save money, it will be expropriated in the coming decades. Your house & car will be made unaffordable for you. Every mechanism that allows you to persist without relying on fedgov/DNC will be systematically attacked & made illegal. Trump didn't work out. The only question left, is where to go next? The US is probably no longer a good place to stick around for working men under age 30, and the Democrats haven't yet made it illegal to abandon ship. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The kangaroo should read this before posting his wall of text gibberish. Most criticism of Trump can be boiled down to this: 1. Unrealistic expectations that what they heard during the campaign was exactly what they were going to get during negotiations with democrats and RINOs. Hahaha gotta laugh at that 2. Their preferred candidate( Clinton, Romney or some other "conservative" that didn't get votes) lost and they are sore losers. 3. They can't stand the fact a reality show businessman won and is actually successful and effective at beating back the left. Trump's beat back the left so hard we're gonna have a full-on socialist nominee running for Democrats by 2020 in an election Republicans can no longer win. Fuck, not even Hillary was such a terrifyingly steep decline as that. Trump really did "blow up the political system" as I remember lots of morons cheering for in 2016. Our last checks on federal and DNC power fall like dominoes. It appears socialist control is what will come out of those ashes...just as many Trump skeptics predicted. So everything is really moot, now. If you save money, it will be expropriated in the coming decades. Your house & car will be made unaffordable for you. Every mechanism that allows you to persist without relying on fedgov/DNC will be systematically attacked & made illegal. Trump didn't work out. The only question left, is where to go next? The US is probably no longer a good place to stick around for working men under age 30, and the Democrats haven't yet made it illegal to abandon ship. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:49:16 PM EDT
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That is correct. McCains political record cannot be defended from a conservative perspective. For the record, neither can Trumps which includes financial and material support for Hillary and Kamala Harris. What Trump does not have is McCains war record. Which Trump has openly mocked and attacked. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Not the way I read it. He said McCain had his "war record", and that it was separate from his less than stellar political career. McCains political record cannot be defended from a conservative perspective. For the record, neither can Trumps which includes financial and material support for Hillary and Kamala Harris. What Trump does not have is McCains war record. Which Trump has openly mocked and attacked. He then parlayed those experiences into a lucrative career rife with graft and betrayal, crowing on about moral authority all the while. Fuck his hell-burning ass. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:49:35 PM EDT
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I get some criticism of Trump. He's said and done done things I disagree with. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I get some criticism of Trump. He's said and done done things I disagree with. But what _______ has done is unforgivable, absolutely unforgiveable. Typical, "take the guns first," Trump follower. Typical. Quoted:
But when never trumpers start trotting out guys like Jeb! or McCain, or Romney as the gold standard they lose all credibility with me. Romney increased gun rights... Democrats had criminalized gun rights for life in MA over *misdemeanors* Romney changed that... Gave them their gun rights back... Link McCains war record was attacked by Trump, and Trumps "Mexico will fund the wall through taxing remittances" followers/puppets. !Jeb! and Romney can make the honest claim that Trump, and Trumps supporters cannot make: !Jeb! and Romney *increased* gun rights... While Trump has reduced and eliminated gun rights... |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:50:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:52:37 PM EDT
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Of course this is dependent on building the wall, cracking down on Western Union transfers, locking up dirty employers and stepping up our deportation game. We *know* Trumps plan. Lol, rofl. Stop trying to add conservative ideals to Trumps openly-stated plan... Trump wants a short fence. In exchange, Democrats are getting DACA and probably amnesty. Trump *is* talking about the, "wall" (short fence). Trump is not promising, "cracking down on Western Union transfers." Trump is not promising, "locking up dirty employers." Lol, rofl. You have to lie to defend Trump. You have to add extraneous things to defend Trump. Lol, rofl. Trump is openly promising DACA and more rights, and it is probably going to be citizenship by the time this is all over... And you are saying stuff Trump has ***NOT*** said is part of this deal... |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:53:08 PM EDT
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You didn't think the status quo incremental lurch to socialism was going to work out did you? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The kangaroo should read this before posting his wall of text gibberish. Most criticism of Trump can be boiled down to this: 1. Unrealistic expectations that what they heard during the campaign was exactly what they were going to get during negotiations with democrats and RINOs. Hahaha gotta laugh at that 2. Their preferred candidate( Clinton, Romney or some other "conservative" that didn't get votes) lost and they are sore losers. 3. They can't stand the fact a reality show businessman won and is actually successful and effective at beating back the left. Trump's beat back the left so hard we're gonna have a full-on socialist nominee running for Democrats by 2020 in an election Republicans can no longer win. Fuck, not even Hillary was such a terrifyingly steep decline as that. Trump really did "blow up the political system" as I remember lots of morons cheering for in 2016. Our last checks on federal and DNC power fall like dominoes. It appears socialist control is what will come out of those ashes...just as many Trump skeptics predicted. So everything is really moot, now. If you save money, it will be expropriated in the coming decades. Your house & car will be made unaffordable for you. Every mechanism that allows you to persist without relying on fedgov/DNC will be systematically attacked & made illegal. Trump didn't work out. The only question left, is where to go next? The US is probably no longer a good place to stick around for working men under age 30, and the Democrats haven't yet made it illegal to abandon ship. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:54:32 PM EDT
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I would love to see mass round ups of illegal aliens from Brighton Beach to Miami Beach, San Diego to Anchorage. It is feasible and doable. We would immediately be a better country if it is achieved. But there is no way it is getting done with Democrats in leadership let alone the current Republicans in the House & Senate. Then there are the Hawaiian judges. Anyone who believed it was going to happen after the November election is dreaming.
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:57:39 PM EDT
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This is weapons grade stupid, even considering the source. McCain ran on "repeal Obamacare" and then laughed about voting against doing just that. That's on no one but him, and he was a pathetic piece of shit that only showed his true colors towards the end when he knew it no longer mattered. And no one can defend Trump, and Trumps promise to over-turn Obamacare, either... Trump failed. My point was that Trump was attacking McCain --on McCains war record-- when he was also promising to unite Senate Republicans (which McCain was one of) and over-turn Obamacare... No one can defend McCains record from a conservative perspective. I certainly cannot. But, on the same token, it shows clear weakness for Trump to try to blame McCain for Trumps broken promise... If Trump wanted to make McCain a whipping-boy for McCains war record (which is what Trump attacked McCain on) then perhaps maybe Trump should have made-friends with a Democrat who could take McCains vote, so Trump could keep Trumps promise. I do not buy into the, "Its everyone's fault Trump is a failure except Trump," argument made by "criminalize bumpstock ownership" Trump supporters. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:58:46 PM EDT
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Can we please return to the frame of mind that we do not trust someone running for office to secure ANY nomination unless they have a solid and consistent history of voting for or pushing for policies that have consistent principles?
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:59:19 PM EDT
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Perhaps he is banking on her denying the deal. It’s hard to tell with this dude. If it plugs the leak and ensures that deportations stay deported, it will eventually work out. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 5:00:52 PM EDT
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No way they could realistically be removed anyway. How would you find them? Who would round up and ship their asses out? How the hell much would it cost to ship 11M illegals out even if you could find them? |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 5:00:56 PM EDT
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Some immigration experts contend that E-Verify sounds like a no-nonsense solution but that it’s essentially a political fig leaf, with so many significant flaws and loopholes that it allows employers to continue to knowingly hire undocumented workers with few repercussions. Mollie Tibbits killer had, "passed," e-verify. He simply used the name of an immigrant he knew was legal. The system is broken, and the *real* problem is employers... And welfare... Which Trumps, "build the wall" (fence) plan does not address... Edited... The employer of Mollie Tibbits killer originally claimed, and it was reported in the news, that the employer had used e-verify. It has come-out later that is not true. The employer had not used e-verify on the killer. I sincerely hope the employer is held accountable. Which goes to show how horrible the system is. How there is no real accountability in the migrant labor system. Some immigrants are legal-- on visas through e-verify, some (I have a family farm in Idaho, I can vouch for this) are American citizens, and many are illegals. The system is horribly wrong. And Trumps "fence-for-amnesty" plan won't solve the underlying problem: employers. Mollie Tibbets example is an example to show that Trumps demand for a "wall" (~300 mile of fence) is political sleight of hand. It is sleight of hand to take folks attention away from the driver of illegal immigration: employers. Employers and welfare. Trumps, "fence for amnesty" plan is a bad plan. It is just as bad as Trumps plan not to hold Hillary accountable, and Trumps plan not to over-turn Obamacare, and Trumps plan to criminalize bumpstocks… Trump does not actually have a "good" plan. Trump has no plan to accomplish his campaign promises. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 5:01:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's not old posts of yours around here cheering Trump and bragging about how he's gonna do mass deportations, or lock up Hillary, or all the other shit he promised...are there? Or if so, were you just joking? During 2016, a lot of Trump's supporters sure seemed dead serious, especially with how they shouted down anyone who hedged like you're doing today. Trump's beat back the left so hard we're gonna have a full-on socialist nominee running for Democrats by 2020 in an election Republicans can no longer win. Fuck, not even Hillary was such a terrifyingly steep decline as that. Trump really did "blow up the political system" as I remember lots of morons cheering for in 2016. Our last checks on federal and DNC power fall like dominoes. It appears socialist control is what will come out of those ashes...just as many Trump skeptics predicted. So everything is really moot, now. If you save money, it will be expropriated in the coming decades. Your house & car will be made unaffordable for you. Every mechanism that allows you to persist without relying on fedgov/DNC will be systematically attacked & made illegal. Trump didn't work out. The only question left, is where to go next? The US is probably no longer a good place to stick around for working men under age 30, and the Democrats haven't yet made it illegal to abandon ship. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 5:02:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, rofl. We *know* Trumps plan. Lol, rofl. Stop trying to add conservative ideals to Trumps openly-stated plan... Trump wants a short fence. In exchange, Democrats are getting DACA and probably amnesty. Trump *is* talking about the, "wall" (short fence). Trump is not promising, "cracking down on Western Union transfers." Trump is not promising, "locking up dirty employers." Lol, rofl. You have to lie to defend Trump. You have to add extraneous things to defend Trump. Lol, rofl. Trump is openly promising DACA and more rights, and it is probably going to be citizenship by the time this is all over... And you are saying stuff Trump has ***NOT*** said is part of this deal... 
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Posted: 1/20/2019 5:03:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No one can defend McCains political record from a conservative perspective. I can't. I don't know anyone who can. And no one can defend Trump, and Trumps promise to over-turn Obamacare, either... Trump failed. My point was that Trump was attacking McCain --on McCains war record-- when he was also promising to unite Senate Republicans (which McCain was one of) and over-turn Obamacare... No one can defend McCains record from a conservative perspective. I certainly cannot. But, on the same token, it shows clear weakness for Trump to try to blame McCain for Trumps broken promise... If Trump wanted to make McCain a whipping-boy for McCains war record (which is what Trump attacked McCain on) then perhaps maybe Trump should have made-friends with a Democrat who could take McCains vote, so Trump could keep Trumps promise. I do not buy into the, "Its everyone's fault Trump is a failure except Trump," argument made by "criminalize bumpstock ownership" Trump supporters. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 5:05:57 PM EDT
[#39]
I figured Trump was either putting things off until he got His people in place.. and then would get Hilary arrested.. Or that he was full of shit. Well.. Looks like he was full of shit the whole time. I bet the whole North Korea thing falls apart and is an elaborate stall tactic.
Sometimes making no deal and walking away is the best course of action. Trumps ego is too big.. He has to make it look like he won even if he didn't. Ex. New Nafta just like old Nafta. The Wall is just another empty investment opportunity by Trump Co. Trump gets paid and we get left holding the bag.. Metaphorically. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 5:06:02 PM EDT
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Trumps only viable accomplishment was his SCOTUS nominations... Using Romneys SCOTUS nominees from 2012... Link Quote HistoryQuoted:
Trumps only viable accomplishment was his SCOTUS nominations... Using Romneys SCOTUS nominees from 2012... Here is an unofficial list of potential nominees for the Supreme Court if Mitt Romney is elected president in November... Judge Brett Kavanaugh, U.S. Court of Appeals, D.C. Circuit Judge Neil Gorsuch, 10th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals, Denver 
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Posted: 1/20/2019 5:07:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The problem is that there really is no accountability in the system. Mollie Tibbits killer had, "passed," e-verify. He simply used the name of an immigrant he knew was legal. The system is broken, and the *real* problem is employers... And welfare... Which Trumps, "build the wall" (fence) plan does not address... |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 5:07:50 PM EDT
[#42]
Why is every thread that Kangaroo posts in become a spam posting advertisement for mental illness? Jesus Christ he makes every thread un readable.
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Posted: 1/20/2019 5:07:59 PM EDT
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Lol I watched it all unfold buddy. Your RINO buddies tried to undermine him from the start. GTFO! Trump promised to put Hillary in prison... NOT TRUMPS FAULT! Trump promised to over-turn Obamacare... NOT TRUMPS FAULT! Trump promised that Mexico would fund the border-wall by taxing remittances... NOT TRUMPS FAULT! Trump promised, "only the best people," Tillerson, Mattis, Sessions, Bannon all call Trump a morally corrupt person... NOT TRUMPS FAULT! Trump promised a balanced budget, and our deficit spending eliminated... NOT TRUMPS FAULT! Trump promised increased gun rights... NOT TRUMPS FAULT! And then there is the big promise, you have forgotten... Trump promised to be a, "unifier." Trump has not unified conservatives behind his, "amnesty for illegals," "take the guns first," agenda. Trump failed. BUT ITS NOT TRUMPS FAULT! EVERYONE ELSE IS MEAN TO TRUMP! |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 5:08:04 PM EDT
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There are 30,000,000 people are here illegally. Remove them, or this country is DONE. Demographics are destiny. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 5:10:50 PM EDT
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Why is every thread that Kangaroo posts in become a spam posting advertisement for mental illness? Jesus Christ he makes every thread un readable. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 5:11:52 PM EDT
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lol Fuck mittens for good measure! Trump and his "take the guns first" followers/puppets cannot make that claim. Romney deported illegals... Link And cut government programs and spending... Link Romney has done what the pathological liar Trump promised he would do... But has not. Now Trump is promising --essentially-- amnesty to illegals... Trump absolutely, categorically, and completely sucks... |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 5:13:17 PM EDT
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Why is every thread that Kangaroo posts in become a spam posting advertisement for mental illness? Jesus Christ he makes every thread un readable. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 5:17:49 PM EDT
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First build the wall. Then start making it hurt to employ illegals. Deny all federal assistance to illegals. Illegals will leave on their own if they can't make a living. Problem solved. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 5:18:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless the "vast and extreme" majority of the total number of illegals in the country came here since 2012 (they didn't), the oldest piece of "proof" you offered, none of this proves your point. I don't know how anyone can possibly argue with the crystal-clear numbers... Businesses drive illegals here for work, there is no accountability, vast numbers stay... Next year, repeat... Year after year... You folks asked for evidence. The evidence was provided that is crystal-clear... I don't know what to say... The relatively short fence in exchange for more rights to DACA and possibly even more... Won't fix the problem when the problem is employers who are bringing them here... I think the links and numbers I provided show a clear-cut argument in my favor... But it is typical of, "take the guns first" Trump followers to see clear-cut evidence... This time it contradicts Trumps "wall" (lol, rofl) plan for amnesty and DACA expansion... And question it... |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 5:22:47 PM EDT
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Dafuq?
FROM: https://www.stefensidneybloggen.be/g/Jan-01/7188/blogspot-crushing-equipment-33717/#nogo Hey Admins - what's going on here? |
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