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Posted: 2/26/2018 11:23:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It just doesn’t make any sense. He has to know he doesn’t have the authority. Is he setting up for an amnesty or something else? He can direct sessions to grant an amnesty and register what is probably 100k+ (Or more) bump firing devices as machine guns? |
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Posted: 2/26/2018 11:24:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL.. Dude, do you even satire? |
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Posted: 2/26/2018 11:25:03 PM EDT
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Exactly. It isn’t going to happen, or at least happen in a manner that remains in effect. EO is blatantly unlawful and congress isn’t going to commit suicide. I really do not understand Trump here, because watching him comment today, he was dead serious. Fucking idiot I guess? He’s been smart so far. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: It just doesn’t make any sense. He has to know he doesn’t have the authority. Is he setting up for an amnesty or something else? He can direct sessions to grant an amnesty and register what is probably 100k+ (Or more) bump firing devices as machine guns? Write the most overreaching EO ever. About guns (happy Liberals). Congress smacks DJT. DJT can now go on EO slash-and-burn party. Congress along for the ride helping out. A man can dream. :) |
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Posted: 2/26/2018 11:26:06 PM EDT
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@NoloContendre Pure devil's advocate: What if DJT were to EO this explicitly and intentionally so that it goes judicial. The proceedings either strike down the EO ban for a variety of reasons (all setting precedence), and/or they effectively are forced to erode the 'unsupervised' and overreaching powers of BATFE as creating effectively ad-hoc and contradictory 'legislation'? Heck, what if the ruling in effect forced to acknowledge the 'common use' of MGs? I'm a DJT fan however I'm not emotionally delusional. Yet I don't believe this is isnt being down without some angle of advantage. It could be be a Rahm ("never let a crisis go to waste") for our side. Again just spitballing. But DJT Jr def knows the technical aspects of bumps, and that a bump wasn't used in FL. That gives me some hope. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whatever. If he signs an EO against bumpstocks making them (unlawfully) a machinegun, I will file a lawsuit against him. Pure devil's advocate: What if DJT were to EO this explicitly and intentionally so that it goes judicial. The proceedings either strike down the EO ban for a variety of reasons (all setting precedence), and/or they effectively are forced to erode the 'unsupervised' and overreaching powers of BATFE as creating effectively ad-hoc and contradictory 'legislation'? Heck, what if the ruling in effect forced to acknowledge the 'common use' of MGs? I'm a DJT fan however I'm not emotionally delusional. Yet I don't believe this is isnt being down without some angle of advantage. It could be be a Rahm ("never let a crisis go to waste") for our side. Again just spitballing. But DJT Jr def knows the technical aspects of bumps, and that a bump wasn't used in FL. That gives me some hope. |
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Posted: 2/26/2018 11:28:44 PM EDT
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Why is Trump coming out hard threatening EO on something gun control related that would give him a ton of bargaining power? It doesnt make sense to me given he is all about the deal.
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Posted: 2/26/2018 11:30:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. It isn’t going to happen, or at least happen in a manner that remains in effect. EO is blatantly unlawful and congress isn’t going to commit suicide. Just the logistics of banning bumpstocks is a fucking nightmare. I really do not understand Trump here, because watching him comment today, he was dead serious. Fucking idiot I guess? He’s been smart so far. There is no legal underpinning for DACA. It is a blatantly unlawful EO. It actually contradicts existing Federal law. But it is being treated as if it were a law in itself. |
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Posted: 2/26/2018 11:32:09 PM EDT
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It just doesn’t make any sense. He has to know he doesn’t have the authority. Is he setting up for an amnesty or something else? He can direct sessions to grant an amnesty and register what is probably 100k+ (Or more) bump firing devices as machine guns? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whatever. If he signs an EO against bumpstocks making them (unlawfully) a machinegun, I will file a lawsuit against him. |
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Posted: 2/26/2018 11:33:01 PM EDT
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I wonder what his son thinks... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtSX1ahVIAADzYc.jpg |
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Posted: 2/26/2018 11:35:08 PM EDT
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By what possible EO authority can you reclassify the legal definition of machine guns? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He just said bump stocks will be banned by EO/ regulation. What a dumbass If he does there should be a court filing and an injunction judt like his immigration EOs |
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Posted: 2/26/2018 11:40:05 PM EDT
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It just doesn't make any sense. He has to know he doesn't have the authority. Is he setting up for an amnesty or something else? He can direct sessions to grant an amnesty and register what is probably 100k+ (Or more) bump firing devices as machine guns? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whatever. If he signs an EO against bumpstocks making them (unlawfully) a machinegun, I will file a lawsuit against him. |
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Posted: 2/26/2018 11:40:56 PM EDT
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If you think there is any chance of the registry opening in this environment you are smoking some really good shit... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So if Trump gets ATF to declare that bump stocks make a rifle a machine gun.... And ATF has said "Once a machine gun, always a machine gun" Does that mean you have to turn in any gun you ever had a bumpstock on because it will always be an illegal machine gun? Or do they maybe get an amnesty period to register them as a new post-86 MG?  But if it did happen and the left got the idea that every time they want to ban some new accessory it means tens of thousands of brand new machine guns become legal, they might quit hollering for gun control for a while. |
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Posted: 2/26/2018 11:54:22 PM EDT
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What the fuck is trump doing?
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Posted: 2/26/2018 11:56:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry, sarcasm meter is a bit low recently. My apologies. Some don't like my sense of humor. 
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Posted: 2/27/2018 12:02:31 AM EDT
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Just a quick Google search seems to imply that no new nukes have been made since 1990 (in the US, which with the trade restrictions on most firearms, would mean no cheap Chinese or Russian nukes), and seem to cost around $2-20 million to refurbish and keep usable. So lets say $10 million? Though there is a limited number of people that could own them, and here is one of them: https://www.dineshdsouza.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/soros-870x430.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Unless there is a constitutional amendment to restrict them (you know, using the process our founders intended for altering the constitution), if someone can afford them then why not? Though there is a limited number of people that could own them, and here is one of them: https://www.dineshdsouza.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/soros-870x430.jpg |
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Posted: 2/27/2018 12:03:11 AM EDT
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Well, then we better goddamn well be vocal on this issue shouldn't We? I urge everyone to contact the white house and hit the shit out of his inbox and phone. |
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Posted: 2/27/2018 12:08:32 AM EDT
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The only possible way I could agree with bump stocks being regulated is if the MG registry is opened and we can buy new MGs again. If bump stocks create a MG then they have to open the registry to add them. I dunno wtf Trump is doing but lets hope it doesn't go to an EO because that will set off a constitutionality fight and set precedent for future presidents to EO away even more of the 2A. |
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Posted: 2/27/2018 12:11:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It just doesn't make any sense. He has to know he doesn't have the authority. Is he setting up for an amnesty or something else? He can direct sessions to grant an amnesty and register what is probably 100k+ (Or more) bump firing devices as machine guns? |
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Posted: 2/27/2018 12:12:55 AM EDT
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What the fuck is trump doing? We helped get him into office... we've apparently served our purpose and are no longer useful. 
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Posted: 2/27/2018 12:12:59 AM EDT
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What the fuck is trump doing? 
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Posted: 2/27/2018 12:14:08 AM EDT
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Trump says he's the biggest supporter of the 2nd Amendment then goes on to say he is going to ban a rapid fire device. He's very wobbly on the 2nd Amendment.
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Posted: 2/27/2018 12:16:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why is any of the relevant to my statement? The 2A is what it is. Who am I to restrict anyone based on prejudice, attitude, or wealth? |
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Posted: 2/27/2018 12:21:06 AM EDT
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What the fuck is trump doing? |
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Posted: 2/27/2018 12:21:51 AM EDT
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The only possible way I could agree with bump stocks being regulated is if the MG registry is opened and we can buy new MGs again. If bump stocks create a MG then they have to open the registry to add them. I dunno wtf Trump is doing but lets hope it doesn't go to an EO because that will set off a constitutionality fight and set precedent for future presidents to EO away even more of the 2A. |
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Posted: 2/27/2018 12:23:27 AM EDT
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About to order my new shirt.
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Posted: 2/27/2018 12:24:07 AM EDT
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What the fuck is trump doing? |
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Posted: 2/27/2018 12:24:59 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. It isn't going to happen, or at least happen in a manner that remains in effect. EO is blatantly unlawful and congress isn't going to commit suicide. Just the logistics of banning bumpstocks is a fucking nightmare. I really do not understand Trump here, because watching him comment today, he was dead serious. Fucking idiot I guess? He's been smart so far. |
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Posted: 2/27/2018 12:30:31 AM EDT
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Did you catch the bit at the press briefing today where Sarah Sanders said essentially "We will look at what can be done administratively and if nothing can be it will be up to congress". Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Exactly. It isn't going to happen, or at least happen in a manner that remains in effect. EO is blatantly unlawful and congress isn't going to commit suicide. Just the logistics of banning bumpstocks is a fucking nightmare. I really do not understand Trump here, because watching him comment today, he was dead serious. Fucking idiot I guess? He's been smart so far. More wishy-washy back peddaling? |
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Posted: 2/27/2018 12:32:19 AM EDT
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That is not what he told the Govenors this morning. More wishy-washy back peddaling? |
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Posted: 2/27/2018 12:55:26 AM EDT
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Whatever. If he signs an EO against bumpstocks making them (unlawfully) a machinegun, I will file a lawsuit against him. |
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Posted: 2/27/2018 12:57:32 AM EDT
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What the fuck is trump doing? We are the far right fringe of gun owners. He doesn't personally know shit about any of this shit. The people around him have told him that bump stocks are low hanging fruit, that no one is going to give a fuck about bump stocks and that this will be an easy win. They told him that this is a regulatory issue that he can fix quick and that his base isn't going to care. The truth is that they're right. No one is going to care about this. The courts aren't going to stop him and even among the far right gun fringe (aka us) he's only going to lose a handful of supporters. This is an easy win for Trump. That's the truth. |
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Posted: 2/27/2018 12:58:53 AM EDT
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He's taking the path of least resistance. We are the far right fringe of gun owners. He doesn't personally know shit about any of this shit. The people around him have told him that bump stocks are low hanging fruit, that no one is going to give a fuck about bump stocks and that this will be an easy win. They told him that this is a regulatory issue that he can fix quick and that his base isn't going to care. The truth is that they're right. No one is going to care about this. The courts aren't going to stop him and even among the far right gun fringe (aka us) he's only going to lose a handful of supporters. This is an easy win for Trump. That's the truth. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What the fuck is trump doing? We are the far right fringe of gun owners. He doesn't personally know shit about any of this shit. The people around him have told him that bump stocks are low hanging fruit, that no one is going to give a fuck about bump stocks and that this will be an easy win. They told him that this is a regulatory issue that he can fix quick and that his base isn't going to care. The truth is that they're right. No one is going to care about this. The courts aren't going to stop him and even among the far right gun fringe (aka us) he's only going to lose a handful of supporters. This is an easy win for Trump. That's the truth. |
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Posted: 2/27/2018 1:00:06 AM EDT
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I don't even know what to think or believe anymore.
My take at this point: Let's get through the next couple months and see what happens. This is the first real test of Trumps 2A stance. The next few weeks will be very telling as to how the next three years will go in that regard. |
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Posted: 2/27/2018 1:01:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Um... it's not that different from the DACA EO. There is no legal underpinning for DACA. It is a blatantly unlawful EO. It actually contradicts existing Federal law. But it is being treated as if it were a law in itself. I don't understand why all of the sudden conservatives are looking to the liberal activist judges to stop gun control. Boggles the goddamn mind. |
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Posted: 2/27/2018 1:20:46 AM EDT
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By what possible EO authority can you reclassify the legal definition of machine guns? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He just said bump stocks will be banned by EO/ regulation. What a dumbass If Trump goes retard over this he is just another swamp rat. It won’t take much for me to just say fuck it. He will lose my vote pronto. And the rest of them. |
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Posted: 2/27/2018 1:36:16 AM EDT
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If there's two things the ruling class want, it's cheaper taxes (done) and the peasants to be unarmed (TBD). Why care about 2A when you have a personal security detail?
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Posted: 2/27/2018 2:11:07 AM EDT
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Soooo, Do we want trump impeached now? He is setting himself up to lose the House and Senate by getting a bunch of R's to vote for gun control. The impeachment "court" he faces will be one of his own making. Pence is a good guy and EARNED an A from the NRA while both a congressman and a governor. When Trump starts talking AWB after the next school shooting or sooner, I know I'll wish Pence was president. Trump does not respect the Second Amendment and does not respect nor appreciate the NRA, its members, or Second Amendment voters. |
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Posted: 2/27/2018 2:11:13 AM EDT
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It just doesn’t make any sense. He has to know he doesn’t have the authority. Is he setting up for an amnesty or something else? He can direct sessions to grant an amnesty and register what is probably 100k+ (Or more) bump firing devices as machine guns? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whatever. If he signs an EO against bumpstocks making them (unlawfully) a machinegun, I will file a lawsuit against him. |
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Posted: 2/27/2018 2:27:32 AM EDT
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Mind your own fucking business or go do something politically that impresses me, because I’m tired of all these worthless ass pieces of shit on the right that fondle their guns and use them as an excuse to not get involved. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Conservatives and centrists are no better than nazis. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/214740/93C0E7A2-896E-48CA-BEED-03A8E6DB41C5-465618.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/214740/4F349C24-5F5F-4093-9F49-B53ABC20BA63-465616.JPG |
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Posted: 2/27/2018 2:29:47 AM EDT
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Um, you smear libertarians on a fairly regular basis. So I'm not sure why you're so keen to get libertarians on your side. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Because they have the right to do it without being assaulted or set up by the government, which is far more important that whatever they happened to believe. And you better give a fuck when it’s used as justification to smear and violently assault regular libertarians and conservative activist types, which is exactly what happened. We were held responsible for what happened on the other side of the country by people we never met at an event we warned people to stay away from, and it didn’t matter; we were politically active and right of Chomsky, which in their eyes made us equally complicit. |
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Posted: 2/27/2018 2:37:18 AM EDT
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Obama couldnt do it. Trump wont. |
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Posted: 2/27/2018 2:39:23 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/27/2018 2:39:53 AM EDT
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Exactly. It isn’t going to happen, or at least happen in a manner that remains in effect. EO is blatantly unlawful and congress isn’t going to commit suicide. Just the logistics of banning bumpstocks is a fucking nightmare. I really do not understand Trump here, because watching him comment today, he was dead serious. Fucking idiot I guess? He’s been smart so far. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: It just doesn’t make any sense. He has to know he doesn’t have the authority. Is he setting up for an amnesty or something else? He can direct sessions to grant an amnesty and register what is probably 100k+ (Or more) bump firing devices as machine guns? He is not used to hearing "no" from many much less from an organization I don't believe he actually respects. He is an egotist and his ego is more important than his word or any sense of gratitude. |
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Posted: 2/27/2018 2:52:15 AM EDT
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I promise to donate to the legal fund if you do. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whatever. If he signs an EO against bumpstocks making them (unlawfully) a machinegun, I will file a lawsuit against him. |
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Posted: 2/27/2018 2:54:53 AM EDT
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Think about this; We're cheering Nolo for promising to sue Trump. Wrap that around your think box.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whatever. If he signs an EO against bumpstocks making them (unlawfully) a machinegun, I will file a lawsuit against him. Wrap that around your think box. I need to wake up. Help.
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Posted: 2/27/2018 2:57:09 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/27/2018 2:58:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't someone threaten to call the Secret Service on a member? |
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Posted: 2/27/2018 3:05:01 AM EDT
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I don't know about the picture but I remember you being registered democrat. That's a pretty bold allegation, do you have proof? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Now is not the time to be petty. Don't waste time with stupid "I told you so" stuff. I know it's tempting to do (believe me I know), but we don't have time to be children about this. Write POTUS, write congress critters, organize and fight back against any new infringements. We don't have time to tear into each other, we need to fucking fight this shit together. Someone even went on some shitty pay site and falsely put my party as demonrat and went passing my name and address around. MY life is a fucking scam site where anyone can pay to alter details on anyone. No fucking where else shows that lie you just repeated. No, I will not give you my name or address to prove it so you can pull the same sort of shit. I will also not pay 15 bux for a month of editing Trumpanzee smear attacks and doxing. |
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Posted: 2/27/2018 3:05:12 AM EDT
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Whatever. If he signs an EO against bumpstocks making them (unlawfully) a machinegun, I will file a lawsuit against him. 
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Posted: 2/27/2018 3:11:54 AM EDT
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Did you catch the bit at the press briefing today where Sarah Sanders said essentially "We will look at what can be done administratively and if nothing can be it will be up to congress". Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Exactly. It isn't going to happen, or at least happen in a manner that remains in effect. EO is blatantly unlawful and congress isn't going to commit suicide. Just the logistics of banning bumpstocks is a fucking nightmare. I really do not understand Trump here, because watching him comment today, he was dead serious. Fucking idiot I guess? He's been smart so far. |
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Posted: 2/27/2018 3:21:04 AM EDT
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Trump is angry with the NRA simply because they told him: "No" (and published it relative to opposing purchase age increases). He is not used to hearing "no" from many much less from an organization I don't believe he actually respects. He is an egotist and his ego is more important than his word or any sense of gratitude. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: It just doesn't make any sense. He has to know he doesn't have the authority. Is he setting up for an amnesty or something else? He can direct sessions to grant an amnesty and register what is probably 100k+ (Or more) bump firing devices as machine guns? He is not used to hearing "no" from many much less from an organization I don't believe he actually respects. He is an egotist and his ego is more important than his word or any sense of gratitude. |
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