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Link Posted: 9/3/2024 9:06:44 AM EST
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I think it's plausible that we are seeing craft beyond the limits of human technology.  

It doesn't seem plausible that we're in contact with them though.  Just for the fact that if we were to make contact, I'm sure one of the first things we'd want to know is how they defeat aging.  Given that everyone in power is still dying in their 80s and 90s and looks it, we don't have that technology yet.
Link Posted: 9/3/2024 9:10:27 AM EST
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While everyone’s making fun of the OP, it might be worth taking a look to see what nonfiction book is currently sitting at NUMBER 1 on the NYT Bestsellers listing.

HINT: It’s “IMMINENT: Inside the Pentagon’s Hunt for UFOs” written by Luis Elizondo, the former head of the DoD’s Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program.
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The problem with any UFO disclosure at this point is that to do it, the government has to admit they have been lying to us  for seventy five years.

Think about finding out your wife who you love and admire and trust, had an affair on you, when she tells you about it a week later, versus finally finding out from your wife that you love and admire and trust, that she has been having affairs with lots of different people for the last fifty years.  The first situation is really bad and traumatic.  The second situation would be absolutely soul crushing.  That's the problem the government faces right now.
Link Posted: 9/3/2024 9:13:55 AM EST
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There’s 2 theories being explored. Seriously explored.

1 these beings are us from the future who have come back to potentially warn our past selves of the dangerous of what we’re currently doing. There’s some bad actors also coming back to try and stop us from alerting humanity.

2 these are being not from the ocean or outer space but from parallel dimensions. Think upside down world. When the conditions are right they’re able to slip through the veil and into this dimension. Hence why you see some weird shit but they’re gone all too quickly. It’s hard to think about another world operating at the same time on the same plane as you sitting here reading this but there’s evidence it’s real.


Link Posted: 9/3/2024 9:14:14 AM EST
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The arrogance of comments like his astound me. People actually think the book is closed on Physics and no more discoveries will ever be made, even though we learn new shit every year
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It is as certain as death and taxes that any energy-related physical science breakthroughs that are as significant as man-made atomic fission, whether controlled or uncontrolled, will be classified as "Restricted Data" the moment they written/typed/shared etc. That knowledge has been locked down since someone shared the thought with another person.

"As defined in the Atomic Energy Act of 1954, all information concerning -

the design, manufacture, or use of atomic weapons;
the production of special nuclear material; and
the use of special nuclear material in the production of energy.

Restricted data does not include information that has been declassified or removed from the Restricted Data category as defined in section 142 of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954."


See Restricted Data
Link Posted: 9/3/2024 9:16:11 AM EST
[#5]
Hell yeah!

In GD so get this party started with some shit posting about green alien pussy.
Link Posted: 9/3/2024 9:17:13 AM EST
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Interesting. So are they using magnets or gravity for propulsion?
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Treadmills, the answer is always treadmills.
Link Posted: 9/3/2024 9:19:25 AM EST
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Due to the vast distances in the universe and the speed of light as the speed limit, chances are pretty slim aliens are here.  On top of that, the sheer number of galaxies out there, at least mathematically, means there's damn near 100% chance other life is out there, but those same incredible numbers and distances also means the chances of them finding us is mathematically near zero.  

So, if aliens are here, that can really only mean one thing...they put us here.  

Hell, who knows...it's all just mental masturbation at this point.
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Party pooper but this is correct
Link Posted: 9/3/2024 9:20:36 AM EST
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Took two of the gummies tonight?  


Seriously, if there are aliens capable of FTL and interstellar travel here on earth, our weapons and detection technology will more than likely be almost totally ineffective against them.  So, I would just pick an AK, cuz there ain’t no better battle proven weapon for situations where you are up against a more technologically superior adversary.
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Maybe yes, maybe no. Their tech might have taken a different direction than ours. Take a look at this short story:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.eyeofmidas.com/scifi/Turtledove_RoadNotTaken.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjE_aHE-6aIAxW4jIkEHWS7AMUQFnoECBwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0mjfnNUsbey-dYUtyZWjxl

It's about a race that travels between stars and cone to earth. Bad things happen to them then l.
Link Posted: 9/3/2024 9:21:47 AM EST
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UAP Disclosure.  Are you Ready for it?

There is a certain element in the United States that is pushing hard for full disclosure on the fact that we are cohabitating and sharing planet Earth with a superior form of life.  This form of life, their materials, technology, and biology is so far advanced, we are essentially at their whim.

Thanks to technology and information advances in the past 100 years, our eyes have opened up to our reality, and we are essentially JUST coming out of the proverbial EGG, hatching and seeing our first glimpse outside this eggshell.  

Civilization, Humanity, and our technology has just reached a point where we have the ability to fully open our eyes, to see the reality around us.  It shouldn't come as a surprise that we have just now realized an NHI (non human intelligence) is already on our planet.

The USGOV has spent untold millions on psychological programs designed to convince the general public that aliens, and UFOs, and UAPs are not real.  This campaign has largely been successful, up until now.  The Psy-Op works by creating the impression aliens are anywhere but here, and we are still looking into the stars for them (SETI is a psyop).  It also involves some hollywood (how does the public react), and downplaying (balloons, swamp gas, elon musk), and may involve creating objects that looks similar to the real UAP.   They try to compare known human made objects to these UAP to downplay and dismiss.  

There is a major difference from accepted reality (the one you are in now), and the hard reality which is the one ive described.  The situation could go from completely normal, to SNAFU'd in a near instant.  

It's estimated the USGOV has spent 3 trillion so far, and potentially more.  There are around 30 people who have the full picture and they most likely all work at Area51.  There are research stations across the united states studying the samples.

The Threat:

Advanced superior forms of life, appear passive aggressive, are spying heavily on our military.  They have tested the waters so to speak, to establish their technology to ours.  Reports of firing penetrating lasers into 2x M1 Abrams tanks making a clean hole through them.  Intercepting warheads from missiles in flight.  Firing on italian helicopters.  Shutting off nuclear weapon flights, and turning them on in a different country.  Overflights of PANTEX nuclear storage bunkers, and a coalition base in Iraq that also likely had nukes, by the same jellyfish craft that Attempts to remain stealthy and unnoticed.  They have also counter spied on our intelligence community to learn what we know about them.  

They have fired on us, we have fired on them.  As recently as last year 2 were shot down by an F22 just after the chicom balloon.  

These UAP/NHI are already here in force.  They are probably not friendly, although not actively killing us, we are under total observation.  Their fleet is already here confirmed over Catalina Island by the TicTac video, and three cases where large ships were seen (half a mile wide or bigger).

First real known downed craft was Aurora TX 1897, then Magenta Italy in 1933, then Roswell 1947 was real, then a bunch of others found in the 1950s. Some archeological discoveries have been made like something out of indiana jones.  There was heightened UAP activity in the 1950s, in direct response to our engagement with them including a show of force overflight of Washington DC.

Do not expect the president to offer disclosure.  They have no interest in talking to the public about this.  You will have to appreciate disclosure from other places such as whistleblowers.

I made this post so you are not caught off-guard and that this doesn't come out of left field.  The amount of time to study this material is about 1-4 years to fully understand what is actually occurring.  We are not really capable of digesting the entirety of this whole UAP/NHI topic, which explains how it has managed to lurk behind our backs.

And before you say show me the evidence, there is an enormous overwhelming amount of evidence and correlation.  There is a massive amount of civilian information of lower quality, while The USGOV has over 200 high resolution images, video, and data including radar data to back this up.  Some of these photos may also show the occupants of these UAP as well.  This is a worldwide situation.


How to potentially defend yourself against them and see them:

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Link Posted: 9/3/2024 9:23:58 AM EST
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What round for alien

Link Posted: 9/3/2024 9:25:25 AM EST
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Back in the '80s people who had been abducted by aliens would be on TV talking about getting anal probes up on the ship. You never hear about that anymore.
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You have to pay double for that.
Link Posted: 9/3/2024 9:25:35 AM EST
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The problem with any UFO disclosure at this point is that to do it, the government has to admit they have been lying to us  for seventy five years.

Think about finding out your wife who you love and admire and trust, had an affair on you, when she tells you about it a week later, versus finally finding out from your wife that you love and admire and trust, that she has been having affairs with lots of different people for the last fifty years.  The first situation is really bad and traumatic.  The second situation would be absolutely soul crushing.  That's the problem the government faces right now.
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This already happened though.

From 97:
https://archive.is/D46VC

In the darkest days of the cold war, the military lied to the American public about the true nature of many unidentified flying objects in an effort to hide its growing fleets of spy planes, a Central Intelligence Agency study says.
The deceptions were made in the 1950's and 1960's amid a wave of U.F.O. sightings that alarmed the public and parts of official Washington.
The C.I.A. study says the Air Force knew that most reports by citizens and aviation experts were based on fleeting glimpses of U-2 and SR-71 spy planes, which fly extremely high.

''Over half of all U.F.O. reports from the late 1950's through the 1960's were accounted for by manned reconnaissance flights'' over the United States, the C.I.A. study says. ''This led the Air Force to make misleading and deceptive statements to the public in order to allay public fears and to protect an extraordinarily sensitive national security project.''
The study, ''C.I.A.'s Role in the Study of U.F.O.'s. 1947-90,'' was written by Gerald K. Haines and appears in Studies of Intelligence, a secret Central Intelligence Agency journal. Five years ago, the agency began releasing unclassified versions of the journal yearly. The 1997 edition, with the study on unidentified objects, is at http://www.odci. ogv/csi/studies/97unclas/ on the World Wide Web.
Link Posted: 9/3/2024 9:28:36 AM EST
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This. Also the entire premise is like the X-Files now.

How would UAPs, aliens, bigfoot, sasquatches, jersey devel, etc all hide from humanity as sensor capability proliferates?

Every human now has at least a minimum 720p recording device in their pocket at all times; and previously advanced technologies (starlight scopes, thermal scopes) are proliferating down to the point it's cheap enough that someone could own them for the price of one fancy Leuopold scope glass.

So where's the little green men?
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I can answer that question, but few are going to like it.  Your worldview is wrong.  You have been lied to and indeed you lie to yourself.
Link Posted: 9/3/2024 9:28:51 AM EST
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The tic-tacs were/are made right here, by Lockheed
Link Posted: 9/3/2024 9:31:09 AM EST
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The tic-tacs were/are made right here, by Lockheed
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Likely
Link Posted: 9/3/2024 9:34:07 AM EST
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UAP Disclosure.  Are you Ready for it?

There is a certain element in the United States that is pushing hard for full disclosure on the fact that we are cohabitating and sharing planet Earth with a superior form of life.  This form of life, their materials, technology, and biology is so far advanced, we are essentially at their whim.

Thanks to technology and information advances in the past 100 years, our eyes have opened up to our reality, and we are essentially JUST coming out of the proverbial EGG, hatching and seeing our first glimpse outside this eggshell.  

Civilization, Humanity, and our technology has just reached a point where we have the ability to fully open our eyes, to see the reality around us.  It shouldn't come as a surprise that we have just now realized an NHI (non human intelligence) is already on our planet.

The USGOV has spent untold millions on psychological programs designed to convince the general public that aliens, and UFOs, and UAPs are not real.  This campaign has largely been successful, up until now.  The Psy-Op works by creating the impression aliens are anywhere but here, and we are still looking into the stars for them (SETI is a psyop).  It also involves some hollywood (how does the public react), and downplaying (balloons, swamp gas, elon musk), and may involve creating objects that looks similar to the real UAP.   They try to compare known human made objects to these UAP to downplay and dismiss.  

There is a major difference from accepted reality (the one you are in now), and the hard reality which is the one ive described.  The situation could go from completely normal, to SNAFU'd in a near instant.  

It's estimated the USGOV has spent 3 trillion so far, and potentially more.  There are around 30 people who have the full picture and they most likely all work at Area51.  There are research stations across the united states studying the samples.

The Threat:

Advanced superior forms of life, appear passive aggressive, are spying heavily on our military.  They have tested the waters so to speak, to establish their technology to ours.  Reports of firing penetrating lasers into 2x M1 Abrams tanks making a clean hole through them.  Intercepting warheads from missiles in flight.  Firing on italian helicopters.  Shutting off nuclear weapon flights, and turning them on in a different country.  Overflights of PANTEX nuclear storage bunkers, and a coalition base in Iraq that also likely had nukes, by the same jellyfish craft that Attempts to remain stealthy and unnoticed.  They have also counter spied on our intelligence community to learn what we know about them.  

They have fired on us, we have fired on them.  As recently as last year 2 were shot down by an F22 just after the chicom balloon.  

These UAP/NHI are already here in force.  They are probably not friendly, although not actively killing us, we are under total observation.  Their fleet is already here confirmed over Catalina Island by the TicTac video, and three cases where large ships were seen (half a mile wide or bigger).

First real known downed craft was Aurora TX 1897, then Magenta Italy in 1933, then Roswell 1947 was real, then a bunch of others found in the 1950s. Some archeological discoveries have been made like something out of indiana jones.  There was heightened UAP activity in the 1950s, in direct response to our engagement with them including a show of force overflight of Washington DC.

Do not expect the president to offer disclosure.  They have no interest in talking to the public about this.  You will have to appreciate disclosure from other places such as whistleblowers.

I made this post so you are not caught off-guard and that this doesn't come out of left field.  The amount of time to study this material is about 1-4 years to fully understand what is actually occurring.  We are not really capable of digesting the entirety of this whole UAP/NHI topic, which explains how it has managed to lurk behind our backs.

And before you say show me the evidence, there is an enormous overwhelming amount of evidence and correlation.  There is a massive amount of civilian information of lower quality, while The USGOV has over 200 high resolution images, video, and data including radar data to back this up.  Some of these photos may also show the occupants of these UAP as well.  This is a worldwide situation.


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Where do you these recent reports? Not doubting you but always find this interesting
Link Posted: 9/3/2024 9:36:01 AM EST
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Hey, just what you see, pal
Link Posted: 9/3/2024 9:42:01 AM EST
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The tic-tacs were/are made right here, by Lockheed
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Then why are they still soaking the US taxpayers for obsolete fighter jets when they could be soaking us for money to build more tic-tac's?



I don't see Lockheed Martin asking for money to build us  more P38 Lightning fighters.
Link Posted: 9/3/2024 9:42:31 AM EST
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The Tablet of Shamash,  a 2,500 year old stone hieroglyph is not the "sun god".

Its a well documented cymatic frequency, and it's exact
Link Posted: 9/3/2024 9:44:09 AM EST
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Then why are they still soaking the US taxpayers for obsolete fighter jets when they could be soaking us for money to build more tic-tac's?

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Why are they still using fuel propulsion at all,  instead of inverse gravity?
Link Posted: 9/3/2024 9:44:22 AM EST
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Ann Margaret is a reptilian alien.
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Choke yourself!
Link Posted: 9/3/2024 9:55:19 AM EST
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Not worried, if they get out of hand the Annunaki will take care of them.
Link Posted: 9/3/2024 9:56:31 AM EST
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How do I get off of this chickenshit planet?

There are no aliens. There are no UFO's. There are no UAP's.

It's a system of control and misdirection to keep people from noticing they are being herded into the slaughterhouse (by other humans).
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Link Posted: 9/3/2024 9:57:09 AM EST
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Link Posted: 9/3/2024 9:59:27 AM EST
[#25]
So what is Solar Warden doing?
Link Posted: 9/3/2024 10:00:30 AM EST
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Two men can keep a secret if one of them is dead. If there were real UFOs and more than one person had the evidence we would know.

What we have for “evidence” is a bunch of phenomena that we can’t totally explain so viola confirmation bias creeps in from 70 years of Hollywood sci fi conditioning and it’s “aliens.”
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Bletchley Park was a secret kept by around 10,000 people for decades.
Link Posted: 9/3/2024 10:03:28 AM EST
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We were flying F-117s for about eight years before they were publicly acknowledged.  
The DOD can certainly keep things secret if they want to.
Link Posted: 9/3/2024 10:21:30 AM EST
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They already made contact and continue to make contact with those many individuals they need to make contact with. Reading through the last four pages, some of y’all are getting close, but some of y’all are going to have a really hard time with reality soon. They love our bio diversity. The various plants and other life they find really interesting, including us. They have watched humanity for a long time and have and continue to influence and observe us through people.

  You should never try to even think about harming them, your caliber choice should be ‘none’. Shit won’t work anyways and you won’t even get the ability too and you will more than likely just be caught in the headlights staring at them. Focus on trying to sponge as much data in the moment that you can. Cell phone cameras suck, shit, every camera sucks. The ship knows what you’re going to do and what you’re thinking of doing. Get scared and they will calm you, get scared and defensive then they bring out the human looking ones to help calm you down or knock you the fuck back out. Your thoughts were never your own, from them or some people. As we are being evolved to have better communication with them and all life. I feel this is something we lost long ago.
Link Posted: 9/3/2024 10:25:04 AM EST
[#29]
Top Secret Government Alien UFO Invasion Film
Link Posted: 9/3/2024 10:26:25 AM EST
[#30]
They have always been here.

Did you ever wonder who Obama reports to?
Link Posted: 9/3/2024 10:27:59 AM EST
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What if WE taste like chicken?
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What if they taste like chicken?


What if WE taste like chicken?

WE taste like pork.
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Link Posted: 9/3/2024 10:39:26 AM EST
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Poll fail

45/70 is always the correct answer.
Link Posted: 9/3/2024 10:52:04 AM EST
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Back in the '80s people who had been abducted by aliens would be on TV talking about getting anal probes up on the ship. You never hear about that anymore.
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That's because back then it was all Taboo like...  Now its mainstream and excepted so it draws no ratings...

Similar to the LGBQTYXYZ123 thing...
Every time one taboo, predilection, kink or lifestyle becomes the norm and those folks get sad. They are no longer special and getting the attention they desire, so they add a new one.  When it wears out and becomes excepted, BOOP, Out pops a new one.

There are two Biological Genders, you can feel like (identify as) or imagine an infinite number though...


Link Posted: 9/3/2024 10:54:01 AM EST
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Plus if they were here, we'd be giving them welfare and signing them up to vote...
Link Posted: 9/3/2024 10:55:36 AM EST
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They have fired on us, we have fired on them.  As recently as last year 2 were shot down by an F22 just after the chicom balloon.  
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Yeah I'm going to need to see a source on this bullshit claim.
Link Posted: 9/3/2024 10:58:41 AM EST
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Link Posted: 9/3/2024 11:05:04 AM EST
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So they are godlike but we can shoot them down with a fighter designed in the 80s?
Link Posted: 9/3/2024 11:06:45 AM EST
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In!
Link Posted: 9/3/2024 11:09:48 AM EST
[#39]
I'm more afraid of Democraps than ET's.

Link Posted: 9/3/2024 11:11:40 AM EST
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Two men can keep a secret if one of them is dead. If there were real UFOs and more than one person had the evidence we would know.

What we have for “evidence” is a bunch of phenomena that we can’t totally explain so viola confirmation bias creeps in from 70 years of Hollywood sci fi conditioning and it’s “aliens.”
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This is more concise than what I was going to type. "Plenty of evidence to prove it" doesn't do it for me, where is the evidence?
Link Posted: 9/3/2024 11:15:06 AM EST
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Here I was, thinking that it was caused by the contraction of deficit spending of as a result of the only other superpower in the world - our enemy for the prior half century - collapsing.

I feel so dumb right now.
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I'm ready. I'm buying Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, and L3Harris Technologies stock since they will likely get the alien technology first from the government.


they already have it, Lockheed tried to divest itself of the object they had.   Lou already mentioned which gov contractors have it.  This also explains why there are only 6-12 prime government contractors, and not the 50+ from last century.


Here I was, thinking that it was caused by the contraction of deficit spending of as a result of the only other superpower in the world - our enemy for the prior half century - collapsing.

I feel so dumb right now.


I'm feeling dumb as well.
Link Posted: 9/3/2024 11:23:11 AM EST
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Yeah I'm going to need to see a source on this bullshit claim.
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They have fired on us, we have fired on them.  As recently as last year 2 were shot down by an F22 just after the chicom balloon.  


Yeah I'm going to need to see a source on this bullshit claim.


Link Posted: 9/3/2024 11:44:05 AM EST
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Why are they still using fuel propulsion at all,  instead of inverse gravity?
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Exactly.  If Lockheed Martin was making tic tac's, the US government, wouldn't be wasting money on F35's (or anything else really).
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if they have the tech reported and the desire to end us.... we ain't stopping them.

not going to panic over something we can't control or have a say in. i suspect the odds of getting wiped out by a planet killer asteroid are higher than the aliens attacking us.
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Exactly.  It's like worrying about the Covid vaccine after you have taken it.  What's the point?
Link Posted: 9/3/2024 12:20:50 PM EST
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Personally, I only need to read about how super top secret someone is once, and then get on with the substance of the topic. I'm a forgiving reader, but I may not be able to finish this one, or I'll need to punt and skip through. I guess I've been forever spoiled by Annie Jacobsen.
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Eh? I am half way thru it and found nothing of the sort.
Personally, I only need to read about how super top secret someone is once, and then get on with the substance of the topic. I'm a forgiving reader, but I may not be able to finish this one, or I'll need to punt and skip through. I guess I've been forever spoiled by Annie Jacobsen.


Ahhh okay, gotcha… probably comes down to preference - I read the same thing and it didn’t really register for me. It does get more interesting the further you get. The part about “something” blasting some kind of directed energy weapon clean though not one, but two M1 Abrams tanks got me going.

Funny you mention Annie - I bought her Area 51 book when I bought Lue’s. Can you tell I’m on a theme here?
Link Posted: 9/3/2024 12:30:16 PM EST
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Personally, I only need to read about how super top secret someone is once, and then get on with the substance of the topic. I'm a forgiving reader, but I may not be able to finish this one, or I'll need to punt and skip through. I guess I've been forever spoiled by Annie Jacobsen.
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Elizondo is establishing his basis of knowledge.  That's an intel thing.  When you debrief someone, the first things you ask are about his background, training, experience, contacts, so that you have a reason to believe that the information he is going to give you is credible.

As a drug agent, I've lost count of how many people would come into our office and tell us "A" is dealing drugs, but when you start questioning them, they know nothing about drugs, nothing about drug trafficking, and have never  been around drug dealers or been arrested or put in jail.  So you know their is information is probably worthless.  They don't even have the basis of knowledge to know what they are telling you.

On the other hand, when a guy comes in who has been arrested several times for drug dealing, who can tell you about other drug dealers, their names, their addresses, and knows the game, and tells you that "A" is dealing drugs, he may be lying, but he sure has the basis of knowledge to know.

You can do it here.  If I guy starts telling you how to build an AR-15 and you ask him how many has he built before and he says, 'none', that's a clue that he no idea what he is talking about, even if he sincerely believes he does.

Whether you eventually believe Elizondo is telling the truth, or is part of some giant psyops campaign, knowing his background, gives you a lot better chance of making the correct assessment.
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