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Posted: 8/4/2023 1:02:28 PM EDT
[#1]
Fuck all of them.
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Posted: 8/4/2023 1:02:42 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just like we’re all about to earn 120 month financing on auto loans, right? Driving my Tundra til the wheels fall off!! |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 1:03:08 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If they automakers were smart (LOL) they would happily trade 40% for better ability to fire terrible employees. But they aren't, so the big three are likely to go the way of Sears. You have a very valid point on the issues of letting people go from in house unions. Protections are there for a reason, but a lot of times those who are the problem and need to be escorted out are the ones using the protections. It is one of the big upper hands that trade unions have versus these in house unions. Fuck around and you get laid off on a construction site without issue, but an in house union goes to a whole other level with arbitrations and such. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 1:07:16 PM EDT
[#4]
Destroy the skilled middle class with all this drive-thru and trainable labor making 20-40/hr.
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Posted: 8/4/2023 1:11:40 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Article says 20% now and 5% per year for four years. Article also says pay is $18-32 per hour - considering I can get $16/hour at chik-fil-a it doesn't sound as outrageous as thread title makes it sound. 40% raise brings pay to $25.20 - 44.80 per hour. That’s starting at $50,400 and topping out at $93,184. That doesn’t seem so unreasonable given inflation and current prices of vehicles that resulted in a 2022 profit of 10 billion dollars. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 1:15:05 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But CFA makes money. GM’s 10B in profit in 2022 isn’t making money? |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 1:16:58 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you want $150k base model F150? Because this is how you get that.  ...
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Posted: 8/4/2023 1:18:46 PM EDT
[#8]
Eh, let ‘em all go on strike then hire new workers. Good paying jobs, people will want them.
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Posted: 8/4/2023 1:23:14 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Article says 20% now and 5% per year for four years. Article also says pay is $18-32 per hour - considering I can get $16/hour at chik-fil-a it doesn't sound as outrageous as thread title makes it sound. The people at CFA actually work hard, unlike the Biden worshipping unionistas. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 1:24:11 PM EDT
[#10]
We should pay everyone a hundred million doll hairs
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Posted: 8/4/2023 1:24:28 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you want $150k base model F150? Because this is how you get that. Or every uaw job going to Mexico, China, etc. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 1:25:42 PM EDT
[#12]
Did they really make 10 billion or is that the EBIT number? I’m going with EBIT.
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Posted: 8/4/2023 1:29:47 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Another knee-jerk GD reaction. While some union leadership MAY have democrat ties, union membership is no longer a safe democrat vote stronghold. In fact, it is just the opposite. I work in a union shop and while there are some dyed in the wool democrats, the majority are not, and some would make GD look tame in their conspiracy theories and .gov hate. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Article says 20% now and 5% per year for four years. Article also says pay is $18-32 per hour - considering I can get $16/hour at chik-fil-a it doesn't sound as outrageous as thread title makes it sound. This is GD. Mention any union and the hate blathering goes into hyperdrive. Most likely the UAW will not get that but something less. MAYBE 15% then 3.5% each year but most likely nothing greater than 10% first year. Where the gains will be could be on the non-monetary side. People tend to ignore this, but non-financial gains can be quite good to have in a union contract. Couldn't have anything to do with their universal support for dems could it? Another knee-jerk GD reaction. While some union leadership MAY have democrat ties, union membership is no longer a safe democrat vote stronghold. In fact, it is just the opposite. I work in a union shop and while there are some dyed in the wool democrats, the majority are not, and some would make GD look tame in their conspiracy theories and .gov hate. Nice dive and redirect. Where’s the money go? |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 1:32:11 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Another knee-jerk GD reaction. While some union leadership MAY have democrat ties, union membership is no longer a safe democrat vote stronghold. In fact, it is just the opposite. I work in a union shop and while there are some dyed in the wool democrats, the majority are not, and some would make GD look tame in their conspiracy theories and .gov hate. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Article says 20% now and 5% per year for four years. Article also says pay is $18-32 per hour - considering I can get $16/hour at chik-fil-a it doesn't sound as outrageous as thread title makes it sound. This is GD. Mention any union and the hate blathering goes into hyperdrive. Most likely the UAW will not get that but something less. MAYBE 15% then 3.5% each year but most likely nothing greater than 10% first year. Where the gains will be could be on the non-monetary side. People tend to ignore this, but non-financial gains can be quite good to have in a union contract. Couldn't have anything to do with their universal support for dems could it? Another knee-jerk GD reaction. While some union leadership MAY have democrat ties, union membership is no longer a safe democrat vote stronghold. In fact, it is just the opposite. I work in a union shop and while there are some dyed in the wool democrats, the majority are not, and some would make GD look tame in their conspiracy theories and .gov hate. And yet, the endorsements and donations keep flowing. Someone among the membership must be okay with it. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 1:35:07 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did they really make 10 billion or is that the EBIT number? I’m going with EBIT. EBIT was nearly 15 billion. NEWS PROVIDED BY General Motors Co. 31 Jan, 2023, 06:30 ET DETROIT, Jan. 31, 2023 /PRNewswire/ -- General Motors Co. (NYSE: GM) today reported fourth-quarter 2022 revenue of $43.1 billion, net income attributable to stockholders of $2.0 billion and EBIT-adjusted of $3.8 billion. GM's full-year 2022 revenue was $156.7 billion, net income attributable to stockholders was $9.9 billion and EBIT-adjusted was a record $14.5 billion. Results were at the high-end of the company's revised EBIT-adjusted guidance range. The company expects its core auto operations to perform at a consistently strong level in 2023, with full-year net income attributable to stockholders of $8.7 billion-$10.1 billion, EBIT-adjusted of $10.5 billion-$12.5 billion, and EPS-diluted and EPS-diluted-adjusted of $6.00-$7.00. GM also expects strong cash flows from automotive operations for the calendar year, including: Net automotive cash provided by operating activities of $16.0 billion-$20.0 billion Adjusted automotive free cash flow of $5.0 billion-$7.0 billion |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 1:38:38 PM EDT
[#16]
Good
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Posted: 8/4/2023 1:39:58 PM EDT
[#17]
Never hurts to ask.
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Posted: 8/4/2023 1:45:05 PM EDT
[#18]
I hate unions too but didn't we just have like 50 million percent inflation over the last few years?
Corporations have ruined this country far, far more than unions btw. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 1:46:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 40% raise brings pay to $25.20 - 44.80 per hour. That's starting at $50,400 and topping out at $93,184. That doesn't seem so unreasonable given inflation and current prices of vehicles that resulted in a 2022 profit of 10 billion dollars. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Article says 20% now and 5% per year for four years. Article also says pay is $18-32 per hour - considering I can get $16/hour at chik-fil-a it doesn't sound as outrageous as thread title makes it sound. 40% raise brings pay to $25.20 - 44.80 per hour. That's starting at $50,400 and topping out at $93,184. That doesn't seem so unreasonable given inflation and current prices of vehicles that resulted in a 2022 profit of 10 billion dollars. Saw 40% and was, are they crazy! But when it's broken down like this, it doesn't seem unreasonable at all. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 1:47:44 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd guess that is the Unions initial "Ask" at the start of negotiations, and I wouldn't be surprised if the companies "Ask" is at or near 0% along with increases in shared costs on health care and other things... These are typical "starting points". Always ask high and be willing to settle for less, because getting above your initial ask rarely happens unless you lowballed yourself right outta the gate... They will negotitate together and eventually meet somewhere in the middle... Most guys on this site don't know what negotiating is |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 1:49:27 PM EDT
[#21]
BTccw demands 80% raise hike to keep up with these guys.
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Posted: 8/4/2023 1:52:27 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you want $150k base model F150? Because this is how you get that. Wrong. For the entire "$15/hr minimum wage!" debacle, the MSM has repeatedly told us how wrong it is to believe there is a link between wage hikes and price hikes, and that it never happens. All those fat cat millionaire CEO's just pull those extra wage costs out of their own wallets and prices stay the same. They promised. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 1:56:11 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Another knee-jerk GD reaction. While some union leadership MAY have democrat ties, union membership is no longer a safe democrat vote stronghold. In fact, it is just the opposite. I work in a union shop and while there are some dyed in the wool democrats, the majority are not, and some would make GD look tame in their conspiracy theories and .gov hate. So tell us which union you are in. I'm sure the official position of the union is conspiracy theories and. Gov hate, right? |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 1:59:36 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a pretty reasonable ask considering inflation. Quick show of hands: How many people here have salaries that have kept up with inflation the past 2 years? I'm still waiting on my 25%+ salary increase to offset the inflation since 2021, but perhaps I'm the only one. If you're gonna respond "you just need to get a different job!", then THAT would be my suggestion to the UAW workers as well. See how that works? |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 2:02:14 PM EDT
[#25]
What are there now like 87 UAW members left in America?
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Posted: 8/4/2023 2:04:30 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Quick show of hands: How many people here have salaries that have kept up with inflation the past 2 years? I'm still waiting on my 25%+ salary increase to offset the inflation since 2021, but perhaps I'm the only one. If you're gonna respond "you just need to get a different job!", then THAT would be my suggestion to the UAW workers as well. See how that works? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's a pretty reasonable ask considering inflation. Quick show of hands: How many people here have salaries that have kept up with inflation the past 2 years? I'm still waiting on my 25%+ salary increase to offset the inflation since 2021, but perhaps I'm the only one. If you're gonna respond "you just need to get a different job!", then THAT would be my suggestion to the UAW workers as well. See how that works?  I just went by the canned beans in the grocery store. $3.49 a can. Two years ago they were $1.20. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 2:05:53 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Another knee-jerk GD reaction. While some union leadership MAY have democrat ties, union membership is no longer a safe democrat vote stronghold. In fact, it is just the opposite. I work in a union shop and while there are some dyed in the wool democrats, the majority are not, and some would make GD look tame in their conspiracy theories and .gov hate. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Article says 20% now and 5% per year for four years. Article also says pay is $18-32 per hour - considering I can get $16/hour at chik-fil-a it doesn't sound as outrageous as thread title makes it sound. This is GD. Mention any union and the hate blathering goes into hyperdrive. Most likely the UAW will not get that but something less. MAYBE 15% then 3.5% each year but most likely nothing greater than 10% first year. Where the gains will be could be on the non-monetary side. People tend to ignore this, but non-financial gains can be quite good to have in a union contract. Couldn't have anything to do with their universal support for dems could it? Another knee-jerk GD reaction. While some union leadership MAY have democrat ties, union membership is no longer a safe democrat vote stronghold. In fact, it is just the opposite. I work in a union shop and while there are some dyed in the wool democrats, the majority are not, and some would make GD look tame in their conspiracy theories and .gov hate. And also why, other than some IBEW folks, I've seen the unions consolidating leadership/locals in the trade unions. They're trying to remove the locals ability to control the finances, etc. As the money pot gets cut off to the powers above don't be surprised if a lot of unions slew towards the right if, and this is a big if, they can break that chain. The Dems only want them for their donations because most of the blue collar organization donations have been replaced by the tech class and leftist organizations use unions as a training ground for various other leftist organization recruiters. The trade unions are a mess thanks to the same issues afflicting the rest of the country. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 2:06:32 PM EDT
[#28]
Lol what would that be like 120 an hour.....to push buttons
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Posted: 8/4/2023 2:06:47 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup. MBAs are currently ensuring that outfits like Toyota and Tesla are drinking their milkshake. I don't have it in me to give a shit either. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If they automakers were smart (LOL) they would happily trade 40% for better ability to fire terrible employees. But they aren't, so the big three are likely to go the way of Sears. Yup. MBAs are currently ensuring that outfits like Toyota and Tesla are drinking their milkshake. I don't have it in me to give a shit either. If you can't make a 100K truck not be a piece of shit, you don't deserve to be in business anymore. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 2:08:59 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You have a very valid point on the issues of letting people go from in house unions. Protections are there for a reason, but a lot of times those who are the problem and need to be escorted out are the ones using the protections. It is one of the big upper hands that trade unions have versus these in house unions. Fuck around and you get laid off on a construction site without issue, but an in house union goes to a whole other level with arbitrations and such. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If they automakers were smart (LOL) they would happily trade 40% for better ability to fire terrible employees. But they aren't, so the big three are likely to go the way of Sears. You have a very valid point on the issues of letting people go from in house unions. Protections are there for a reason, but a lot of times those who are the problem and need to be escorted out are the ones using the protections. It is one of the big upper hands that trade unions have versus these in house unions. Fuck around and you get laid off on a construction site without issue, but an in house union goes to a whole other level with arbitrations and such. Honestly, they do underpay their workers. Hell, I'd give them 50% if I could hire and fire at will. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 2:11:04 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Article says 20% now and 5% per year for four years. Article also says pay is $18-32 per hour - considering I can get $16/hour at chik-fil-a it doesn't sound as outrageous as thread title makes it sound. They leave off the stupid-generous benefits, like lifetime healthcare - and they are all "cadillac" plans - generous vacation and OT, and a bunch more. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 2:12:54 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd guess that is the Unions initial "Ask" at the start of negotiations, and I wouldn't be surprised if the companies "Ask" is at or near 0% along with increases in shared costs on health care and other things... These are typical "starting points". Always ask high and be willing to settle for less, because getting above your initial ask rarely happens unless you lowballed yourself right outta the gate... They will negotitate together and eventually meet somewhere in the middle... This is far from typical. I haven't seen an initial ask like this in the 40 years that I've been around the industry as best I can recall. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 2:45:52 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So tell us which union you are in. I'm sure the official position of the union is conspiracy theories and. Gov hate, right? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Another knee-jerk GD reaction. While some union leadership MAY have democrat ties, union membership is no longer a safe democrat vote stronghold. In fact, it is just the opposite. I work in a union shop and while there are some dyed in the wool democrats, the majority are not, and some would make GD look tame in their conspiracy theories and .gov hate. So tell us which union you are in. I'm sure the official position of the union is conspiracy theories and. Gov hate, right? UAW It's the membership. Very few of which support democrats. Some do but by no means all. I could care less what the union leadership does as long as they do what they are paid to do which is represent us strongly and fairly. Which in our local and even national they have done. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 2:53:30 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: UAW It's the membership. Very few of which support democrats. Some do but by no means all. I could care less what the union leadership does as long as they do what they are paid to do which is represent us strongly and fairly. Which in our local and even national they have done. "My senator is the good one" |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 2:54:11 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Quick show of hands: How many people here have salaries that have kept up with inflation the past 2 years? I'm still waiting on my 25%+ salary increase to offset the inflation since 2021, but perhaps I'm the only one. If you're gonna respond "you just need to get a different job!", then THAT would be my suggestion to the UAW workers as well. See how that works? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's a pretty reasonable ask considering inflation. Quick show of hands: How many people here have salaries that have kept up with inflation the past 2 years? I'm still waiting on my 25%+ salary increase to offset the inflation since 2021, but perhaps I'm the only one. If you're gonna respond "you just need to get a different job!", then THAT would be my suggestion to the UAW workers as well. See how that works? |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 2:56:19 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In 1986 they made $16 an hour. Adjusted for inflation they should be making $44 and hour. Adjusted for the inflation they voted for, repeatedly, they should make $16 an hour. Vote harder for commies, it'll turn around! |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 2:59:28 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s already a thing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just like we’re all about to earn 120 month financing on auto loans, right? That’s already a thing. That and 120 month on boat loans as well!! Saw a loan doc for a $56,000 pontoon boat financed for 120 months. Basically after the 120 month finance term was up the interest almost was as much as the orginial purchase price of the boat. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 3:00:46 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just went by the canned beans in the grocery store. $3.49 a can. Two years ago they were $1.20. Biden methane tax? Wees gots to save the polar bear babies. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 3:13:19 PM EDT
[#39]
As I say in every union thread, the democrats in congress and the president should force a shitty agreement on them.
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Posted: 8/4/2023 3:16:25 PM EDT
[#40]
UAW is destroying autoworkers ... manufacturers will and have move more towards robotics anyways ...
Autoworking assembly lines are a thing of the past ... |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 3:19:37 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: EBIT was nearly 15 billion. NEWS PROVIDED BY General Motors Co. 31 Jan, 2023, 06:30 ET DETROIT, Jan. 31, 2023 /PRNewswire/ -- General Motors Co. (NYSE: GM) today reported fourth-quarter 2022 revenue of $43.1 billion, net income attributable to stockholders of $2.0 billion and EBIT-adjusted of $3.8 billion. GM's full-year 2022 revenue was $156.7 billion, net income attributable to stockholders was $9.9 billion and EBIT-adjusted was a record $14.5 billion. Results were at the high-end of the company's revised EBIT-adjusted guidance range. The company expects its core auto operations to perform at a consistently strong level in 2023, with full-year net income attributable to stockholders of $8.7 billion-$10.1 billion, EBIT-adjusted of $10.5 billion-$12.5 billion, and EPS-diluted and EPS-diluted-adjusted of $6.00-$7.00. GM also expects strong cash flows from automotive operations for the calendar year, including: Net automotive cash provided by operating activities of $16.0 billion-$20.0 billion Adjusted automotive free cash flow of $5.0 billion-$7.0 billion Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Did they really make 10 billion or is that the EBIT number? I’m going with EBIT. EBIT was nearly 15 billion. NEWS PROVIDED BY General Motors Co. 31 Jan, 2023, 06:30 ET DETROIT, Jan. 31, 2023 /PRNewswire/ -- General Motors Co. (NYSE: GM) today reported fourth-quarter 2022 revenue of $43.1 billion, net income attributable to stockholders of $2.0 billion and EBIT-adjusted of $3.8 billion. GM's full-year 2022 revenue was $156.7 billion, net income attributable to stockholders was $9.9 billion and EBIT-adjusted was a record $14.5 billion. Results were at the high-end of the company's revised EBIT-adjusted guidance range. The company expects its core auto operations to perform at a consistently strong level in 2023, with full-year net income attributable to stockholders of $8.7 billion-$10.1 billion, EBIT-adjusted of $10.5 billion-$12.5 billion, and EPS-diluted and EPS-diluted-adjusted of $6.00-$7.00. GM also expects strong cash flows from automotive operations for the calendar year, including: Net automotive cash provided by operating activities of $16.0 billion-$20.0 billion Adjusted automotive free cash flow of $5.0 billion-$7.0 billion In addition, how much profit did the dealers make. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 3:20:14 PM EDT
[#42]
Fire them all and start fresh, ideally fully automated
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Posted: 8/4/2023 3:20:26 PM EDT
[#43]
they may get the pay hike short term, but long term the company will just expand their production in mexico and lay off UAW workers
this inflation is not sustainable , and there will be a lot of pain |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 3:22:25 PM EDT
[#44]
Just keeping up with inflation. Only a modest COLA.
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Posted: 8/4/2023 3:30:07 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice dive and redirect. Where’s the money go? Ummm lemme tell ya... "Leadership" is sorely lacking all around in many insitutions and organizations these days...  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 3:38:37 PM EDT
[#46]
The unions are the ones also pushing the $15 minimum wage. Many union contracts have pay raises tied to the minimum wage. Unions are usually only looking out for the union in most cases.
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Posted: 8/4/2023 4:01:35 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: UAW asking for a 40% raise to still have workers make a shit wage just proves how worthless the UAW is. Idk where the data on wages comes from but a friend of mine works in a GM foundry. His wife cuts hair. Together they make enough that they aren't eligible for most tax credits, can't do Roth IRAs, etc. And he's been there for about 5 years so still quite low in seniority and pay. That's not all coming from cutting hair. They used to be so poor they couldn't afford vacations, cars, or basic home repairs, now they take multiple vacations per year and drive really nice cars. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 4:03:58 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Robots and AI's do better work anyway. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is why spending millions on robots seems cheap to so many employers. They don't catch the flu or come to work late. Take long bathroon/ lunch breaks. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 4:05:38 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Quick show of hands: How many people here have salaries that have kept up with inflation the past 2 years? I'm still waiting on my 25%+ salary increase to offset the inflation since 2021, but perhaps I'm the only one. If you're gonna respond "you just need to get a different job!", then THAT would be my suggestion to the UAW workers as well. See how that works? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's a pretty reasonable ask considering inflation. Quick show of hands: How many people here have salaries that have kept up with inflation the past 2 years? I'm still waiting on my 25%+ salary increase to offset the inflation since 2021, but perhaps I'm the only one. If you're gonna respond "you just need to get a different job!", then THAT would be my suggestion to the UAW workers as well. See how that works? I despise unions as much as the next guy but are you implying that corporations are the good guys? Theyve single handedly done more damage to this country than anything else I can think of. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 4:05:39 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Worked for UPS. I'm sure it will work for UAW as well.  You’re telling me ups got a 40% increase the last two months or whatever? |
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