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Link Posted: 6/14/2008 3:04:43 PM EDT
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If they stopped the corporate welfare and farm subsidies, at least they'd have a principle to stand on

A few things to note here...

No "corporation" pays taxes.  Expenses are passed on to the consumer.

Letting any entity that pays taxes pay less taxes isn't in any way "welfare."

Offering lower taxes as a means of encouraging desired behavior isn't "welfare."

Paying "farm subsidies" to accomplish wetlands conservation and other "environmental" goals isn't "subsidy."  (It may, however, be a misuse of public funds by a the federal government that has no mandate for such activity.)

Anyhow, good job outing yourself as a proponent of "class warfare."


Yes

US corporations already pay pretty much the highest tax rates on the planet those rates need to be drastically cut. Corporate welfare is a term used by class warriors a real conservative should find the term offensive.
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 3:10:41 PM EDT
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Comes down to race huh


"Birds of a feather flock together."
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 3:13:44 PM EDT
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WASHINGTON - Black conservative talk show host Armstrong Williams has never voted for a Democrat for president. That could change this year with Barack Obama as the Democratic Party's nominee.

"I don't necessarily like his policies; I don't like much that he advocates, but for the first time in my life, history thrusts me to really seriously think about it," Williams said. "I can honestly say I have no idea who I'm going to pull that lever for in November. And to me, that's incredible."

Just as Obama has touched black Democratic voters, he has engendered conflicting emotions among black Republicans. They revel over the possibility of a black president but wrestle with the thought that the Illinois senator doesn't sit beside them ideologically.

"Among black conservatives," Williams said, "they tell me privately, it would be very hard to vote against him in November."


Then they were never conservatives in the first place.

Link Posted: 6/14/2008 3:17:31 PM EDT
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Tribalism is right.  

The most basic human desire is the desire to be with people like oneself, however you define "like".  Could be culture, could be race, could be passions (hence Arfcom).

Tribalism is a step further where one puts one's tribe ahead of others and to the exclusion and detriment of those outside the tribe.

Witness La Raza.  Witness any other number of "me and my people are gonna get what's mine, even if it means taking yours."

Tribalism is surging across America.  And it is gonna get a whole lot worse.


Whites better learn the game (again) damn quickly.  
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 3:17:46 PM EDT
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Tribalism is a step further where one puts one's tribe ahead of others and to the exclusion and detriment of those outside the tribe.

Witness La Raza.  Witness any other number of "me and my people are gonna get what's mine, even if it means taking yours."

Tribalism is surging across America.  And it is gonna get a whole lot worse.


That's why ammunition will become the currency of the 21st Century.
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 3:18:53 PM EDT
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Comes down to race huh


Invariably.
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 3:22:12 PM EDT
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I admit I have heard him sounding like an apologist for O' on Hannity, but I never expected this.


+1
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 3:23:38 PM EDT
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This makes me want to puke.  Blacks are going to vote for a Marxist, anti-American, terrorist sympathizer just because he is black?
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 3:24:34 PM EDT
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I think Im going to start saying Im not going to vote for Obama because he is black.


the great irony.. o(b/s)ama is as much white as black (1/2 last time i checked)..

second irony.. yes. most blacks will vote for o(b/s)ama..

third irony.. think only blacks are racists? watch o(b/s)ama get his azz handed to him in NOV because, whites, latinos, orientals, indians (folks from india) will NOT vote for a black candidate.. and this is racists too...

but the bottom line and subtle thing is its not really a skin thing.. its an outlook of looking at northern european culture as the enemy of the the world, you find it rampant in inner city politics, chicago, atlanta where is acceptable and EXPECTED to discriminate against white folks because their culture is EVIL.. and capitalism, free markets are EVIL.. they take advantage of black folks, and so they also embrace socialist/communist ideals... and a very large number of folks come to this country as immigrants dont want to live in a socialist country.. had an amazing conversation with a bunch of indians that work for my company for instance.. they think o(b/s)ama is a idiot empty suit sock-puppet...

Link Posted: 6/14/2008 3:24:45 PM EDT
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I'm not at all surprised.  Those of you who have never run up against the tribalism and skin hue-driven loyalties among our black citizens are ignorant of some of the dynamics of this election.

This is not a slam either against my fellow posters or my fellow black citizens.  I'm not being  racist...simply factual.  I suspect that >95% of all or our black citizens will vote for BHO regardless of their party affiliation, their economic status, their religion or faith, or whether or not they call themselves conservative or liberal.  No factor trumps race.  This bloc of folks is behind Obama.

Trust me...the Obama camp knows this very well.  It is a slam dunk for them.  
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 3:25:12 PM EDT
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Makes you think Pat Buchanan is right.





No, nothing would make me think that.
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 3:33:08 PM EDT
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I suspect that >95% of all or our black citizens will vote for BHO regardless of their party affiliation, their economic status, their religion or faith, or whether or not they call themselves conservative or liberal.

Since 90% of them always vote Democrat anyway, it's not at all a stretch that half of the remaining 10% would see race as the deciding factor.

I wonder why 95% of whites won't vote for McCain though.


Link Posted: 6/14/2008 3:34:21 PM EDT
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I think Im going to start saying Im not going to vote for Obama because he is black.


the great irony.. o(b/s)ama is as much white as black (1/2 last time i checked)..

second irony.. yes. most blacks will vote for o(b/s)ama..

third irony.. think only blacks are racists? watch o(b/s)ama get his azz handed to him in NOV because, whites, latinos, orientals, indians (folks from india) will NOT vote for a black candidate.. and this is racists too...

but the bottom line and subtle thing is its not really a skin thing.. its an outlook of looking at northern european culture as the enemy of the the world, you find it rampant in inner city politics, chicago, atlanta where is acceptable and EXPECTED to discriminate against white folks because their culture is EVIL.. and capitalism, free markets are EVIL.. they take advantage of black folks, and so they also embrace socialist/communist ideals... and a very large number of folks come to this country as immigrants dont want to live in a socialist country.. had an amazing conversation with a bunch of indians that work for my company for instance.. they think o(b/s)ama is a idiot empty suit sock-puppet...



Sorry, whites are FAR more likely to vote for another "tribe" as long as they believe they have close to the same idealistic viewpoints. Almost any Black American in office is proof of that if there is not a majority of Black voters in the district, State, or county. Factually, there cannot be any arguement due to the overall  percentage of Black Americans VS any other race. [12% or so]
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 3:34:27 PM EDT
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I wonder why 95% of whites won't vote for McCain though.


He doesn't invoke happy feelings of change.
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 3:40:01 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/14/2008 3:44:00 PM EDT
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I wonder why 95% of whites won't vote for McCain though.


It's called 'White Guilt'.
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 3:44:15 PM EDT
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So much for Martin Luther King's "I have a dream" speech.  


That speech was just agitprop.  This was obvious at the time to any casual observer.  That same observer would have noticed all the DRVN and NLF flags that King's supporters carried later.
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 3:46:39 PM EDT
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Must be a black thing....
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 3:50:47 PM EDT
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This doesn't surprise me, for a completely different reason.

The party leadership, the people really in the know, have come to the conclusion that conservatism as we have known it is dead. The last few years killed it, and it'll have to rise from the ashes in another form.

I see a lot of different paths from that conclusion being explored, but that's what I'm seeing.
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 3:59:56 PM EDT
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I am very disappointed.

Why am I not surprised?


You should be surprised, he was one of the good guys.
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 4:02:00 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/14/2008 4:04:46 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/14/2008 4:06:47 PM EDT
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J.C. Watts, a former Oklahoma congressman who once was part of the GOP House leadership, said he's thinking of voting for Obama. Watts said he's still a Republican, but he criticizes his party for neglecting the black community. Black Republicans, he said, have to concede that while they might not agree with Democrats on issues, at least that party reaches out to them.

"And Obama highlights that even more," Watts said, adding that he expects Obama to take on issues such as poverty and urban policy. "Republicans often seem indifferent to those things."



On what fucking planet is this true??!!  The Democrats haven't given a rat's ass about the "black community" (my wife despises that term) for years, because they are confident that black people will vote for them with Pavlovian regularity anyway.

Watts needs to stop drinking the bong water.
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 4:31:28 PM EDT
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A different view…

www.luoamerican.com/baldilocks/2008/06/one-of-todays-y.html


June 14, 2008
Black Conservatives: Don't Fall For It

One of today's Yahoo News headlines informs us that 'Black conservatives [are] conflicted on Obama campaign.' Armstrong Williams, Rep. J.C. Watts, General Colin Powell, Senator Edward Brooke and, sadly, my friend Joseph C. Phillips may be falling into the trap which I have repeatedly described--one lined with pride and with fear: pride of race and fear that Obama is the last chance for a black president to be elected. (GOPAC chairman Michael Steele isn't going for the okey doke, however; but that may be only due to his position.)

People say that women have problems thinking objectively and strategically. Well, I'm seeing a whole group of men who are having that problem. Friends, you're letting the nearness of a dream's seeming fulfillment blind you to what will likely come after that ephemeral happiness is dissipated, after the novelty has worn off: the nightmare.

And guess who will get blamed for that short-sightedness? Not just you.

With 90+ percent of black Americans voting Democrat regardless of who the candidate is, it will be bad enough as it is. But I, for one, expect you, black conservative Republican men to have enough balls to stand on principle, not on your emotions. You've shown your testicular fortitude by being publicly conservative against a tide of Identity Politics. Don't start behaving like castrati now.

Stop thinking selfishly. We're not choosing a President of Black American Dream Fulfillment; we're choosing a President of the United States.
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 4:32:37 PM EDT
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Makes you think Pat Buchanan is right.





Naw don't like white sheets.
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 4:35:07 PM EDT
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Two words: Thomas Sowell
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 4:36:11 PM EDT
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That surprises me.

Same here.


And me too.




5sub
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 4:38:32 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/14/2008 4:38:32 PM EDT
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Apparently, he is as racist as the rest.
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 4:45:02 PM EDT
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Two words: Thomas Sowell


Will bet my last dollar he won't vote for Obama.


From Thomas Sowell...

www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/06/obama_and_mccain.html


<snip>

At a time like this, we do not have the luxury of waiting for our ideal candidate or of indulging our emotions by voting for some third party candidate to show our displeasure-- at the cost of putting someone in the White House who is not up to the job.

Senator John McCain has been criticized in this column many times. But, when all is said and done, Senator McCain has not spent decades aiding and abetting people who hate America.

On the contrary, he has paid a huge price for resisting our enemies, even when they held him prisoner and tortured him. The choice between him and Barack Obama should be a no-brainer.
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 4:48:53 PM EDT
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Two words: Thomas Sowell


Will bet my last dollar he won't vote for Obama.


From Thomas Sowell...

www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/06/obama_and_mccain.html


<snip>

At a time like this, we do not have the luxury of waiting for our ideal candidate or of indulging our emotions by voting for some third party candidate to show our displeasure-- at the cost of putting someone in the White House who is not up to the job.

Senator John McCain has been criticized in this column many times. But, when all is said and done, Senator McCain has not spent decades aiding and abetting people who hate America.

On the contrary, he has paid a huge price for resisting our enemies, even when they held him prisoner and tortured him. The choice between him and Barack Obama should be a no-brainer.


I'll see that, and raise you this jaw-dropper


Investor's Business Daily
Wednesday, June 11, 2008

Obama Riding High On Cocky Ignorance
By THOMAS SOWELL

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=298075451636581

Now that Sen. Barack Obama has become the Democrats' nominee for president of the United States, to the cheers of the media at home and abroad, he has written a letter to the secretary of defense, in a tone as if he is already president, addressing one of his subordinates.

The letter ends: "I look forward to your swift response."

With wars going on in both Iraq and Afghanistan, a secretary of defense might have some other things to look after, before making a "swift response" to a political candidate.

Because of the widely publicized statistic that suicide rates among American troops have gone up, Sen. Obama says he wants the secretary of defense to tell him, swiftly:
"What changes will you make to provide our soldiers in theater with real access to mental health care?"

"What training has the Pentagon provided our medical professionals in theater to recognize who might be at risk of committing suicide?"

"What assistance are you providing families here at home to recognize the risk factors for suicide, so that they may help our service members get the assistance they need?"
"What programs has the Pentagon implemented to help reduce the stigma attached to mental health concerns so that service members are more likely to seek appropriate care?"

All this sounds very plausible, as so many other things that Sen. Obama says sound plausible.

But, like so many of those other things, it will not stand up under scrutiny.

What's been widely publicized in the media is that suicides among American troops have gone up. What's not been widely publicized is that this higher suicide rate is still not as high as the suicide rate among demographically comparable civilians.
No one needs to be reminded that suicide is a serious matter, whether among soldiers or civilians.

But the media have managed to create the impression that it is military service overseas that is the cause of suicides among American troops, when civilians of the same ages and other demographic characteristics are committing suicide at an even higher rate at home.

Moreover, this is not the first time that military service overseas has been portrayed in the media as the cause of problems that are worse in the civilian population at home.
The New York Times led the way in making homicides committed by returning military veterans a front-page story, blaming this on "combat trauma and the stress of deployment."

Yet the New York Post showed that the homicide rate among returning veterans is a fraction of the homicide rate among demographically comparable civilians.

In other words, if military veterans are not completely immune to the problems found among civilians at home, then the veterans' problems are to be blamed on military service — at least by the mainstream media.

Does Sen. Obama know how the rate of suicides or homicides among military veterans compares with the rate of suicides or homicides among their civilian counterparts? Do the facts matter to him, as compared with an opportunity to score political points?
Perhaps even more important, do the media even care whether Sen. Obama knows what he is talking about?

Or is the symbolism of "the first black president" paramount, even if that means a president with cocky ignorance at a time of national danger?


The media have been crucial to Barack Obama's whole candidacy. His only achievements of national significance in his entire career have been media achievements and rhetorical achievements.

Perhaps his greatest achievement has been running as a candidate with an image wholly incompatible with what he has actually been doing for decades. This man who is now supposedly going to "unite" us has for years worked hand in glove, and contributed both his own money and the taxpayers' money, to people who have sought to divide us in the most crude demagogic ways.

With all his expressed concern about the war in Iraq, he has not set foot in Iraq for more than two years — including the very years when progress has been made against the terrorists there.

You don't need to know the facts when you have cocky ignorance and the media behind you.


I don't think that one will buff out.
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 4:50:36 PM EDT
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If they stopped the corporate welfare and farm subsidies, at least they'd have a principle to stand on

A few things to note here...

No "corporation" pays taxes.  Expenses are passed on to the consumer.

Letting any entity that pays taxes pay less taxes isn't in any way "welfare."

Offering lower taxes as a means of encouraging desired behavior isn't "welfare."

Paying "farm subsidies" to accomplish wetlands conservation and other "environmental" goals isn't "subsidy."  (It may, however, be a misuse of public funds by a the federal government that has no mandate for such activity.)

Anyhow, good job outing yourself as a proponent of "class warfare."


Chrysler, the LTCM debacle, the recent mortgage crisis all involved government backed bail-outs (you call is what you want).  Helping the big guys......helping the small guys.   If you think it's not welfare be assured most blacks do and that is what we're talking about.  Perception is reality.  

I don't want government making a habit of helping people that otherwise can help themelves or that can afford to take their lumps.  Takes all the fun out of life.  What's life without the struggle?


Link Posted: 6/14/2008 4:52:24 PM EDT
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What the hell?

I thought JC was one of the good guys?
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 4:54:04 PM EDT
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I feel pretty safe that Walter Williams and Charles Payne (Fox Bulls and Bears guest) will follow Dr. King's character over color too.
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 4:56:31 PM EDT
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I feel pretty safe that Walter Williams and Charles Payne (Fox Bulls and Bears guest) will follow Dr. King's character over color too.


Walter Williams went Ronulan crazy but no he don't like Obama.
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 4:56:56 PM EDT
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Race supercedes values in the black community evidently.    This ought to raise a MAJOR red flag to us all.  Our party left us a few years ago, and the best we got now is: "well, McCain is better than Obama."  True, but voting for McCain is like trying to polish a turd.  

Blake
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 5:02:17 PM EDT
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Race supercedes values in the black community evidently.    This ought to raise a MAJOR red flag to us all.  Our party left us a few years ago, and the best we got now is: "well, McCain is better than Obama."  True, but voting for McCain is like trying to polish a turd.  

Blake


Make that polish diarrhea.
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 5:02:42 PM EDT
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I suspect that >95% of all or our black citizens will vote for BHO regardless of their party affiliation, their economic status, their religion or faith, or whether or not they call themselves conservative or liberal.

Since 90% of them always vote Democrat anyway, it's not at all a stretch that half of the remaining 10% would see race as the deciding factor.

I wonder why 95% of whites won't vote for McCain though.




Probably because those with common sense vote for a president based upon *gasp* his/her merits rather then the color of the skin.  


I'm not saying all blacks don'thave common sense when it comes to politics (I'm mixed myself, a panda baby actually.  Father is black and my mother is white...) but it sure seems like quite a few are lacking.
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 5:04:53 PM EDT
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Why am I not surprised?


I know that I'm not. ALL ethnic groups look out for their own.

Except Whites, who actively work against their own interest in the name of fairness and enlightenment.

Tribalism isn't going anywhere folks.

Link Posted: 6/14/2008 5:07:55 PM EDT
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Why am I not surprised?


I know that I'm not. ALL ethnic groups look out for their own.

Except Whites, who actively work against their own interest in the name of fairness and enlightenment.

Tribalism isn't going anywhere folks.



I just read that some of the Stormfront and 88's want Obama to win.

After all the socialist wealth redistribution/reparations the white people will finally wake up.

Kevin "Interesting take."
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 5:11:51 PM EDT
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Why am I not surprised?


I know that I'm not. ALL ethnic groups look out for their own.

Except Whites, who actively work against their own interest in the name of fairness and enlightenment.

Tribalism isn't going anywhere folks.



I just read that some of the Stormfront and 88's want Obama to win.

After all the socialist wealth redistribution/reparations the white people will finally wake up.

Kevin "Interesting take."


It will be ugly regardless who wins.
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 5:12:01 PM EDT
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Color is more important than ideology.  I have a co-worker who is politically conservative, votes (R) every time, but not this time.  I won't have to elaborate on what race he is.  

I'm far from racist, but in this election every single eligible black voter will be voting for Obama.  If we want to beat him we have to get enough white people to the polls to make our numerical superiority mean something.  


I sure hope so. It's the only chance the GOP has.
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 5:14:15 PM EDT
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Why am I not surprised?


I know that I'm not. ALL ethnic groups look out for their own.

Except Whites, who actively work against their own interest in the name of fairness and enlightenment.

Tribalism isn't going anywhere folks.



I just read that some of the Stormfront and 88's want Obama to win.

After all the socialist wealth redistribution/reparations the white people will finally wake up.

Kevin "Interesting take."


It will be ugly regardless who wins.


Scary stuff. You think the riots were bad after the Rodney King crap?  Imagine if some of those 88 nutters off obama.

Dude.  SHTF.
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 5:15:11 PM EDT
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Chrysler, the LTCM debacle, the recent mortgage crisis all involved government backed bail-outs (you call is what you want).  Helping the big guys......helping the small guys.   If you think it's not welfare be assured most blacks do and that is what we're talking about.  Perception is reality.  

I don't want government making a habit of helping people that otherwise can help themelves or that can afford to take their lumps.  Takes all the fun out of life.  What's life without the struggle?

The other side of the coin is that by protecting the value of the dollar and providing a "soft landing" for huge employers, those "bailouts" actually save money in the long run.

While I dislike the moral hazard, I understand the necessity of not letting the economy crash and burn.

The "rich" might lose a bit of money in a downturn, but the average guy on the street stands to lose everything, and have his retirement savings wiped out.

Also, are you sure that you want to imply that "most black people" aren't smart enough to comprehend economics?
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 5:17:10 PM EDT
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Not surprised  in the least.
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 5:18:19 PM EDT
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Scary stuff. You think the riots were bad after the Rodney King crap?  Imagine if some of those 88 nutters off obama.

Dude.  SHTF.


What are they going to do?  Burn down their neighborhoods?  

If they try and caravan to the nice side of town to hunt some whiteys, that shit is gonna get squashed right quick.  

I know we all like to bitch about how militarized the police are getting, but once we start seeing SWAT lighting up cars full of bangers on CNN we'll be all, "Hell yeah!!"

Kevin ""
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 5:22:47 PM EDT
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Comes down to race huh


Interestingly, as every single black politician endorses Obama, even those for whom it means abandoning long-held principals, the resolve of those who would vow never to vote for a black candidate is strengthened.

Yep.

Colin Powell has always been hinting he supports Obama.

Now JC Watts jumps on the "black-wagon" too.

Race before country. Is that's what it comes down too now?






Like Colin Powell has a lot to complain about when it comes to Republicans and race.  After all.  A REPUBLICAN President appointed him as the FIRST BLACK SECRETARY OF STATE.  


That was part of reparations.  
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 5:23:49 PM EDT
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Two words: Thomas Sowell





Two more words: Herman Cain.


He's a black conservative from georgia who ran for the U.S. Senate a few years back. He occassionally substitutes on the neil boortz radio show when neil's out of town or on vacation. As far as I know, I don't think he currently supports obama. During the primaries, he did, however, support mitt romney.


Here's the link to his website: www.hermancain.com/default.asp
Link Posted: 6/14/2008 5:25:13 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/14/2008 5:25:53 PM EDT
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Scary stuff. You think the riots were bad after the Rodney King crap?  Imagine if some of those 88 nutters off obama.

Dude.  SHTF.


What are they going to do?  Burn down their neighborhoods?  

If they try and caravan to the nice side of town to hunt some whiteys, that shit is gonna get squashed right quick.  

I know we all like to bitch about how militarized the police are getting, but once we start seeing SWAT lighting up cars full of bangers on CNN we'll be all, "Hell yeah!!"

Kevin ""


Probably so but I'd still like to avoid it if at all possible... (reviewing my supplies just in case.)
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