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Posted: 12/22/2014 8:52:36 PM EDT
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"We understand the difficult choices our leaders have had to make in this fiscal environment and we support those choices," said Col. John Lamontagne, 437th Airlift Wing commander. This guy will go far. |
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Posted: 12/22/2014 8:53:14 PM EDT
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Are these associate units?
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Posted: 12/22/2014 8:59:29 PM EDT
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This guy will go far. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"We understand the difficult choices our leaders have had to make in this fiscal environment and we support those choices," said Col. John Lamontagne, 437th Airlift Wing commander. This guy will go far. Someone is trying to line up a career in politics. |
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Posted: 12/22/2014 9:13:14 PM EDT
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Someone is trying to line up a career in politics. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"We understand the difficult choices our leaders have had to make in this fiscal environment and we support those choices," said Col. John Lamontagne, 437th Airlift Wing commander. This guy will go far. Someone is trying to line up a career in politics. That single quote could win him a selection for BG. |
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Posted: 12/22/2014 9:13:49 PM EDT
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Given that Congress has been forcing extra airplanes on the Air Force for the past few years, and that Boeing is currently finishing up a dozen or so white-tails, it's not surprising that someone has figured out that we have too many even though it's a fine airplane.
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Posted: 12/22/2014 9:14:11 PM EDT
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This guy will go far. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"We understand the difficult choices our leaders have had to make in this fiscal environment and we support those choices," said Col. John Lamontagne, 437th Airlift Wing commander. This guy will go far. He'll be a Four Star General, because he's got the ass kissing down pat. |
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Posted: 12/22/2014 9:16:05 PM EDT
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Given that Congress has been forcing extra airplanes on the Air Force for the past few years, and that Boeing is currently finishing up a dozen or so white-tails, it's not surprising that someone has figured out that we have too many even though it's a fine airplane. Looks like the AMARC will have some new tenants. 
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Posted: 12/22/2014 9:17:02 PM EDT
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C17's don't go zoom.
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Posted: 12/22/2014 9:18:42 PM EDT
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So I take it that Backup Aircraft Inventory (BAI), the aircraft aren't sent to DM but stored in a viable flying state somewhere?
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Posted: 12/22/2014 9:19:33 PM EDT
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Meh
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Posted: 12/22/2014 9:21:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This guy will go far. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "We understand the difficult choices our leaders have had to make in this fiscal environment and we support those choices," said Col. John Lamontagne, 437th Airlift Wing commander. This guy will go far. |
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Posted: 12/22/2014 9:29:38 PM EDT
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This guy will go far. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"We understand the difficult choices our leaders have had to make in this fiscal environment and we support those choices," said Col. John Lamontagne, 437th Airlift Wing commander. This guy will go far. I hope when zero is gone, January 22, 2017, all his synchopanthic cronies do go far. Very far. Maybe all the way to Guantanamo. |
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Posted: 12/22/2014 9:33:37 PM EDT
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the ones that voted for the first base closings in the 80's . started this entire deal....... you can't have freedom if we are not free . I would spend 1/2 our GDP to make us safe.
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Posted: 12/22/2014 9:42:47 PM EDT
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Fucking idiots
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Posted: 12/22/2014 9:59:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So I take it that Backup Aircraft Inventory (BAI), the aircraft aren't sent to DM but stored in a viable flying state somewhere? That I do not know. And yes, I did Google it up. Perhaps one of the Air Force types can answer that question.
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Posted: 12/22/2014 10:56:02 PM EDT
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So I take it that Backup Aircraft Inventory (BAI), the aircraft aren't sent to DM but stored in a viable flying state somewhere? They may stay right where they are or get farmed out to Reserve or air National Guard units before being sent to Davis Monthan. |
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Posted: 12/22/2014 10:57:56 PM EDT
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This thread makes me feel ill.
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Posted: 12/23/2014 12:49:56 PM EDT
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WTF? Can't we make up a reason to invade somebody and give these planes a purpose? In all seriousness, sell the C17s to Fedex and UPS and reactivate the C141's at DM for Air Force use. Or just have ANG make flights for the USPS to keep their hours up.
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Posted: 12/23/2014 12:53:01 PM EDT
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Is one of those the personal cargo wings of Herr Obama?
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Posted: 12/23/2014 1:01:25 PM EDT
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Of course, the USAF got more C-17s a few years back than they wanted. Arguing the whole time that we had more airlift than we really needed and those big Russian cargo planes would always be available for rent.
So they finally got their way. |
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Posted: 12/23/2014 1:03:20 PM EDT
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WTF? Can't we make up a reason to invade somebody and give these planes a purpose? In all seriousness, sell the C17s to Fedex and UPS and reactivate the C141's at DM for Air Force use. Or just have ANG make flights for the USPS to keep their hours up. The C-17 is not certified by the FAA and therefore couldn't be sold for civilian use. McD looked at getting FAA certification a lot of years ago and the civilian interest in the airplane didn't justify the considerable expense. Lockheed went through the same exercise many years ago for the C5 and came to the same conclusion. The C-141s were timed out and have probably all been chopped up. |
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Posted: 12/23/2014 1:03:23 PM EDT
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I would have thought a lot of C-17's would need replacing, what with all those rough-field operations they take part in.
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Posted: 12/23/2014 1:06:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: WTF? Can't we make up a reason to invade somebody and give these planes a purpose? In all seriousness, sell the C17s to Fedex and UPS and reactivate the C141's at DM for Air Force use. Or just have ANG make flights for the USPS to keep their hours up. |
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Posted: 12/23/2014 1:07:52 PM EDT
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This doesn't surprise me, my old neighbor was a C-17 mechanic at JBLM. Last year he told me there were 53 planes assigned there. I asked him where the hell they parked them all.
"We don't, there's not nearly enough room but there's enough flying over in the middle east that they didn't have to make room for them" As things wind down I'm sure they'll be parking them in the desert  To bad, they're a cool cargo plane.
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Posted: 12/23/2014 1:08:03 PM EDT
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Is this for reals based on a fact-based examination of USAF needs, or just a setup for some politician to "save" the day?
Reason I ask was the C130s and crews trained for firefighting were going to be budgeted away from Peterson, conveniently while some very bad fires were fresh in voters' thoughts. I don't have insider knowledge, just remember reacting cynically to what appeared to be an election-year freebie for Sen Udall |
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Posted: 12/23/2014 1:08:46 PM EDT
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WTF? Can't we make up a reason to invade somebody and give these planes a purpose? In all seriousness, sell the C17s to Fedex and UPS and reactivate the C141's at DM for Air Force use. Or just have ANG make flights for the USPS to keep their hours up. Cargo carriers are all going to twin engine planes. |
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Posted: 12/23/2014 1:09:24 PM EDT
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So does this mean they are going to mothball perfectly new aircraft?
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Posted: 12/23/2014 1:09:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: the ones that voted for the first base closings in the 80's . started this entire deal....... you can't have freedom if we are not free . I would spend 1/2 our GDP to make us safe. The military is a good function of government, but its still government, and you have to keep after it to keep it efficient.
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Posted: 12/23/2014 1:11:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: WTF? Can't we make up a reason to invade somebody and give these planes a purpose? In all seriousness, sell the C17s to Fedex and UPS and reactivate the C141's at DM for Air Force use. Or just have ANG make flights for the USPS to keep their hours up. |
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Posted: 12/23/2014 1:11:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: WTF? Can't we make up a reason to invade somebody and give these planes a purpose? In all seriousness, sell the C17s to Fedex and UPS and reactivate the C141's at DM for Air Force use. Or just have ANG make flights for the USPS to keep their hours up.  Dont think the current pilots for those companies would be happy though lol. |
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Posted: 12/23/2014 1:11:56 PM EDT
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So does this mean they are going to mothball perfectly new aircraft? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile No. They will get farmed out to other existing units as an "extra" plane above their primary aircraft authorization. |
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Posted: 12/23/2014 1:13:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That I do not know. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So I take it that Backup Aircraft Inventory (BAI), the aircraft aren't sent to DM but stored in a viable flying state somewhere? That I do not know. And yes, I did Google it up. Perhaps one of the Air Force types can answer that question. This really isn't a big deal...the active duty manning went away with the recent downsizing, so the Squadrons are being closed and aircraft reorganized. None of these aircraft are going to be retired. |
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Posted: 12/23/2014 1:15:18 PM EDT
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Aren't the cargo/lift aircraft being over worked to death?
As in there isn't enough of them? |
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Posted: 12/23/2014 1:21:15 PM EDT
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Aren't the cargo/lift aircraft being over worked to death? As in there isn't enough of them? Talk like that is going to bring Sylvan running right in.
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Posted: 12/23/2014 1:25:32 PM EDT
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Peaks and valleys, we're on the downslope for the next decade or so would be my guess. I joined in 1999 at the end of the Clinton years, the equipment was junk and the pay sucked. New equipment and big pay bumps starting in 2003, peaked about 2008-2009, now on the downhill run for a decade or more until something happens. Enjoy the peacetime if you can keep your job, need to hold on at least 5 more years myself. That's the way she goes boys, have a backup plan.
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Posted: 12/23/2014 1:25:51 PM EDT
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Talk like that is going to bring Sylvan running right in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Aren't the cargo/lift aircraft being over worked to death? As in there isn't enough of them? Talk like that is going to bring Sylvan running right in. sup. C-17s exist to army shit around. they are therefore worthless. to the point, the lack of uniformity of wings leads me to believe that there are too many of them for the number of frames. Example, 168th in AK has 8 tails. there are 6 full colonels assigned to that wing. the sherpa company in AK had 8 tails. It had a captain and 2 LTs assigned to it. Now, a sherpa is different than a KC-135, but still. |
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Posted: 12/23/2014 1:38:08 PM EDT
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sup. C-17s exist to army shit around. they are therefore worthless. to the point, the lack of uniformity of wings leads me to believe that there are too many of them for the number of frames. Example, 168th in AK has 8 tails. there are 6 full colonels assigned to that wing. the sherpa company in AK had 8 tails. It had a captain and 2 LTs assigned to it. Now, a sherpa is different than a KC-135, but still. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Aren't the cargo/lift aircraft being over worked to death? As in there isn't enough of them? Talk like that is going to bring Sylvan running right in. sup. C-17s exist to army shit around. they are therefore worthless. to the point, the lack of uniformity of wings leads me to believe that there are too many of them for the number of frames. Example, 168th in AK has 8 tails. there are 6 full colonels assigned to that wing. the sherpa company in AK had 8 tails. It had a captain and 2 LTs assigned to it. Now, a sherpa is different than a KC-135, but still. While you're not going to get me to deny that the AF has a rank creep problem in our officer corps I will point out that there is a world of difference between a Sherpa company and an Air Force wing. The flying portion of the base is only a small portion of the unit that a Sherpa company commander just won't have any control over. I'm just guessing that those six are probably the wing commander, the vice commander, the ops group commander, the maintenance group commander, the med group commander, and the support group commander. |
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Posted: 12/23/2014 1:46:09 PM EDT
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No. They will get farmed out to other existing units as an "extra" plane above their primary aircraft authorization. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So does this mean they are going to mothball perfectly new aircraft? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile No. They will get farmed out to other existing units as an "extra" plane above their primary aircraft authorization. But those aircraft even though they belong to a different wing and squadron, they will require the same amount of funds for maintenance and fuel? It just seems like a asset sent to another unit is just robbing peter to pay Paul and ultimately they really aren't saving money right? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 12/23/2014 1:51:25 PM EDT
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But those aircraft even though they belong to a different wing and squadron, they will require the same amount of funds for maintenance and fuel? It just seems like a asset sent to another unit is just robbing peter to pay Paul and ultimately they really aren't saving money right? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So does this mean they are going to mothball perfectly new aircraft? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile No. They will get farmed out to other existing units as an "extra" plane above their primary aircraft authorization. But those aircraft even though they belong to a different wing and squadron, they will require the same amount of funds for maintenance and fuel? It just seems like a asset sent to another unit is just robbing peter to pay Paul and ultimately they really aren't saving money right? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile The maintenance and fuel budgets will come out of the unit's existing allocation of flying hours and their associated funds. Since a unit still gets the same number of flying hours but has an extra plane each jet will just get flown a little less. The only real additional work you get is doing scheduled maintenance that's calendar based rather than hour based but for a small guard wing that's only PAAed 8 jets the extra tail can really help when you have a couple of jets down for maintenance and you are trying to make the flying schedule. |
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Posted: 12/23/2014 1:53:34 PM EDT
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Backup aircraft inventory are assigned with no manpower or flying hours. However, the wing will continue to receive funding needed to support weapon system sustainment. Converting 16 aircraft to BAI removes funding for the personnel and flying hours associated with those aircraft, for a savings of approximately $110 million per year.
Just what weapons systems are on these big old cargo planes??? |
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Posted: 12/23/2014 1:54:32 PM EDT
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WTF? Can't we make up a reason to invade somebody and give these planes a purpose? In all seriousness, sell the C17s to Fedex and UPS and reactivate the C141's at DM for Air Force use. Or just have ANG make flights for the USPS to keep their hours up. They are all gone.
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Posted: 12/23/2014 2:00:22 PM EDT
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Backup aircraft inventory are assigned with no manpower or flying hours. However, the wing will continue to receive funding needed to support weapon system sustainment. Converting 16 aircraft to BAI removes funding for the personnel and flying hours associated with those aircraft, for a savings of approximately $110 million per year. Just what weapons systems are on these big old cargo planes??? The C-17 is what's being called the weapon system. The folks in HQ that do the big picture work on them are weapon systems managers. |
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Posted: 12/23/2014 2:17:47 PM EDT
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Holy shit the derp is strong with some in this thread. What would really blow peoples' minds would be if they knew how many orgs are stood up and closed down and reorganized each year within the active duty AF, ANG and AFRC, and the constant balancing act of aircraft, mission sets, and manning. This story is hardly newsworthy.
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Posted: 12/23/2014 2:22:27 PM EDT
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This guy will go far. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"We understand the difficult choices our leaders have had to make in this fiscal environment and we support those choices," said Col. John Lamontagne, 437th Airlift Wing commander. This guy will go far. A Wing CC position is usually followed by a star (or a second of they're already a Brig Gen, before heading to a MAJCOM position as a Maj.Gen). He can't fuck it up now. Pucker up. |
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Posted: 12/23/2014 2:23:32 PM EDT
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While you're not going to get me to deny that the AF has a rank creep problem in our officer corps I will point out that there is a world of difference between a Sherpa company and an Air Force wing. The flying portion of the base is only a small portion of the unit that a Sherpa company commander just won't have any control over. I'm just guessing that those six are probably the wing commander, the vice commander, the ops group commander, the maintenance group commander, the med group commander, and the support group commander. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Aren't the cargo/lift aircraft being over worked to death? As in there isn't enough of them? Talk like that is going to bring Sylvan running right in. sup. C-17s exist to army shit around. they are therefore worthless. to the point, the lack of uniformity of wings leads me to believe that there are too many of them for the number of frames. Example, 168th in AK has 8 tails. there are 6 full colonels assigned to that wing. the sherpa company in AK had 8 tails. It had a captain and 2 LTs assigned to it. Now, a sherpa is different than a KC-135, but still. While you're not going to get me to deny that the AF has a rank creep problem in our officer corps I will point out that there is a world of difference between a Sherpa company and an Air Force wing. The flying portion of the base is only a small portion of the unit that a Sherpa company commander just won't have any control over. I'm just guessing that those six are probably the wing commander, the vice commander, the ops group commander, the maintenance group commander, the med group commander, and the support group commander. I said the airframes were different. But not that different. |
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Posted: 12/23/2014 2:27:42 PM EDT
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No. They will get farmed out to other existing units as an "extra" plane above their primary aircraft authorization. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So does this mean they are going to mothball perfectly new aircraft? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile No. They will get farmed out to other existing units as an "extra" plane above their primary aircraft authorization. So does that mean less capability overall? Sure sounds like it. |
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Posted: 12/23/2014 2:28:27 PM EDT
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So does that mean less capability overall? Sure sounds like it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So does this mean they are going to mothball perfectly new aircraft? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile No. They will get farmed out to other existing units as an "extra" plane above their primary aircraft authorization. So does that mean less capability overall? Sure sounds like it. there is too much airlift available as it is now. Thats why your airlift requests get denied. |
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Posted: 12/23/2014 2:28:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy shit the derp is strong with some in this thread. What would really blow peoples' minds would be if they knew how many orgs are stood up and closed down and reorganized each year within the active duty AF, ANG and AFRC, and the constant balancing act of aircraft, mission sets, and manning. This story is hardly newsworthy. Not to menton congress shoving C17's the airforce doesn't want into their inventory to keep the production line open.
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Posted: 12/23/2014 2:29:54 PM EDT
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there is too much airlift available as it is now. Thats why your airlift requests get denied. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So does this mean they are going to mothball perfectly new aircraft? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile No. They will get farmed out to other existing units as an "extra" plane above their primary aircraft authorization. So does that mean less capability overall? Sure sounds like it. there is too much airlift available as it is now. Thats why your airlift requests get denied. and the C17 fleets as they are now can't even come close to supporting our current needs. |
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Posted: 12/23/2014 2:30:43 PM EDT
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I said the airframes were different. But not that different. Is the Sherpa company an independent unit that runs their own base facilities, security, medical, personnel, communications, finance, and maintenance? |
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