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Posted: 6/26/2015 1:55:22 PM EDT
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I'm a CWO4. There are only 2 CWO5's in my MOS. Other MOS's have more than that but not many. I would have to do a little research at work tomorrow to figure the breakdown by rank. ETA we are limited by law on how many officers we can have. And that is by rank as well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Paging MARINEORDIE.  I'm a CWO4. There are only 2 CWO5's in my MOS. Other MOS's have more than that but not many. I would have to do a little research at work tomorrow to figure the breakdown by rank. ETA we are limited by law on how many officers we can have. And that is by rank as well. I worked for a CW05 who retired from Lejune. Pretty good guy once he transitioned to what the REAL civi life was all about. My father retired a CW04 Bos'n mate.Growing up in my house was a damned nightmare of brooms, mops, various cleaners and white glove test on Saturday mornings. 
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Posted: 6/26/2015 1:57:20 PM EDT
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It may not work out so well for an Lt to try to pull rank my friend. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not USMC, but In 9 years of active duty Army, I only ever saw 1 CWO5. It was at Ft Riley, KS. As for WOs in general, I'm still not 100% sure wtf it is they do, or why the rank exists. They're higher in rank than the highest of CSMs, but lower in rank than the lowliest butter-bar 2nd LT. It may not work out so well for an Lt to try to pull rank my friend. I would pay good money to watch something like that go down. |
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Posted: 6/26/2015 1:58:14 PM EDT
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I used to work for retired Gunner Richardson after he left AD and worked at Range Control at MCBCamLej NC. He was the Base Range Safety Officer. In fact, I think he still is. He was promoted to GySgt in Beirut for one day when he was with 8th Marines, and then promoted to CWO. He was then sent to Quantico for OCS for WOs. He knows Capt. Dale Dye. He retired as a CWO 5 in the '90s from 2/2 IIRC. I love that man (in a fraternal way, of course). He's still there. |
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Posted: 6/26/2015 1:59:32 PM EDT
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CWO5's are very rare. I met one - one - in my 21 years in. Very crusty fellow you would want on your side.
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Posted: 6/26/2015 2:01:04 PM EDT
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I used to work for retired Gunner Richardson after he left AD and worked at Range Control at MCBCamLej NC. He was the Base Range Safety Officer. In fact, I think he still is. He was promoted to GySgt in Beirut for one day when he was with 8th Marines, and then promoted to CWO. He was then sent to Quantico for OCS for WOs. He knows Capt. Dale Dye. He retired as a CWO 5 in the '90s from 2/2 IIRC. I love that man (in a fraternal way, of course). He's still there. Dwyane will be the bane of Operation Officers for years to come |
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Posted: 6/26/2015 2:01:28 PM EDT
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Not USMC, but In 9 years of active duty Army, I only ever saw 1 CWO5. It was at Ft Riley, KS. As for WOs in general, I'm still not 100% sure wtf it is they do, or why the rank exists. They're higher in rank than the highest of CSMs, but lower in rank than the lowliest butter-bar 2nd LT. CWO's do whatever the hell they feel like  My buddies all went from CPO to CWO and I could have as well but with 21 years in already and the personnel detailer telling me my next tour would be in HQ's I said hell no!
Submitted my retirement letter and called it a day. In my opinion CWO's have the best of both worlds, they can go the same places the O's can go and they can still hang out in the Chief's Mess where we do all kinds of top secret stuff
All the CWO's I knew liked to hang in the Mess though instead of the Wardroom. |
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Posted: 6/26/2015 2:03:58 PM EDT
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I worked for a CW5 (Aviation type) at Fort Lewis, and a friend picked up CW5 (Radar Type) a few years ago. https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/10410566_10206470700462002_5345379478837027201_n.jpg?oh=bf2624ed9a4f2575d21d800e1416f22d&oe=5621EFB2 Sounds like I'd be a great CW3.
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Posted: 6/26/2015 2:05:12 PM EDT
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Not USMC, but In 9 years of active duty Army, I only ever saw 1 CWO5. It was at Ft Riley, KS. As for WOs in general, I'm still not 100% sure wtf it is they do, or why the rank exists. They're higher in rank than the highest of CSMs, but lower in rank than the lowliest butter-bar 2nd LT. Maybe in rank but not experience. |
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Posted: 6/26/2015 2:10:52 PM EDT
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Unicorn comments are correct. I know they exist, but I've never seen one in person, and I'm on a brigade level staff right now.
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Posted: 6/26/2015 2:17:40 PM EDT
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CWO's do whatever the hell they feel like My buddies all went from CPO to CWO and I could have as well but with 21 years in already and the personnel detailer telling me my next tour would be in HQ's I said hell no!
Submitted my retirement letter and called it a day. In my opinion CWO's have the best of both worlds, they can go the same places the O's can go and they can still hang out in the Chief's Mess where we do all kinds of top secret stuff
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Not USMC, but In 9 years of active duty Army, I only ever saw 1 CWO5. It was at Ft Riley, KS. As for WOs in general, I'm still not 100% sure wtf it is they do, or why the rank exists. They're higher in rank than the highest of CSMs, but lower in rank than the lowliest butter-bar 2nd LT. CWO's do whatever the hell they feel like My buddies all went from CPO to CWO and I could have as well but with 21 years in already and the personnel detailer telling me my next tour would be in HQ's I said hell no!
Submitted my retirement letter and called it a day. In my opinion CWO's have the best of both worlds, they can go the same places the O's can go and they can still hang out in the Chief's Mess where we do all kinds of top secret stuff
All the CWO's I knew liked to hang in the Mess though instead of the Wardroom. That brings back memories. My dad had the keys to the galley in the Wardroom.I remember eating half a damned chocolate cake and puking it up due to sea sickness......
My dad, had NO college, so to become a CW0 anything, it was tough(80's) for him. He started his USN career as a Riverine force soldier in Vietnam. Moved to Capt of one of those boats. Crazy bastard served 3 tours doing that. 
Served in Grenada, Beriut, etc.. When he retired off the USS Barnstable County, he walked in for the ceremony and the XO he had been under for about 6 months looks at his chest and was .
I also remember when he( LOL WE) were stationed aboard the USS Mount Whitney, the Capt. said something along the lines of "Bos'n, this is your ship, I just talk to the brass". Being "Lil Bos'n" made me Royalty on whatever ship he was stationed on.
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Posted: 6/26/2015 2:19:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It may not work out so well for an Lt to try to pull rank my friend. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not USMC, but In 9 years of active duty Army, I only ever saw 1 CWO5. It was at Ft Riley, KS. As for WOs in general, I'm still not 100% sure wtf it is they do, or why the rank exists. They're higher in rank than the highest of CSMs, but lower in rank than the lowliest butter-bar 2nd LT. It may not work out so well for an Lt to try to pull rank my friend. |
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Posted: 6/26/2015 2:24:26 PM EDT
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I was on the aviation side and I never saw one. We had a CWO4 running our avionics shop.
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Posted: 6/26/2015 2:34:02 PM EDT
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if they're anything like army warrant officers, they're incredibly rare and incredibly old and crusty. CW2 is often comparable in responsibility to a CPT. now, knowing just how long it takes to earn warrant promotions, a CW5 is up there. i recently heard that CW3's and up are allowed field grade housing on post and that CW5's are allowed general grade officer quarters. not sure the validity of that though. W4 and W5 rate Field Grade privileges. How much longer till you get CWO5? I have to wait for 2 ahead of me to die or retire. 
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Posted: 6/26/2015 2:35:23 PM EDT
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I've known a few in both the Corps and the Army. I knew a couple of infantry CWO-5 Gunners, an NBC CWO-5 and got to promote a CI CWO-5. Also knew a couple of SF CW-5s. Great resources of knowledge and experience that, for my two cents, are highly under-utilized in the Corps.
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Posted: 6/26/2015 2:36:30 PM EDT
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No, CWO5's are not Gunners necessarily. If they don't have a bursting bomb, they are not, and should not be referred to as Gunner. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not very common. Usually referred to as Gunners. They are SME's in their field. https://www.military-ranks.org/marine-corps/chief-warrant-officer-5 No, CWO5's are not Gunners necessarily. If they don't have a bursting bomb, they are not, and should not be referred to as Gunner. Being Aviaiton Ordnance and a Department of the Navy Marine Ordnance Officers are often refered to as Gunner because of our Navy brethren. Their (Navy) weapons type officers are called Gunner. ETA I did not say that would be correct. I sent an Ammo Tech Gy to our school. Once he went to our school and found out what we do he said he would forever call my Gunner! 
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Posted: 6/26/2015 2:43:05 PM EDT
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They are like unicorns, if you can catch one of their tears, you get out of PT for a year. This is a known fact.
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Posted: 6/26/2015 2:44:15 PM EDT
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We had a Gunner in my unit. He was cool as shit. Everyone liked him. He sat next to me in a track for a week. Smart as hell and super laid back.
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Posted: 6/26/2015 2:45:20 PM EDT
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When I was checking in the other day the admin clerks says: you look young for a CWO4. I said: really? She said: yes sir, the last 2 I saw looked like they were about to die! 
I don't feel that "young"  What's your MOS? LOL, just take a look at his avatar. |
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Posted: 6/26/2015 2:47:50 PM EDT
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have known several over the years, mostly Aerial Navigator's.
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Posted: 6/26/2015 2:49:32 PM EDT
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There was a LtCol that passed through HMX to speak with the Boeing FSE Mr Morgenstern(if you know phrogs you have heard of this guy I would guess), that had gone through ranks to E-1 thru E-7, Then went WO then after WO 4 transitioned to LDO and was LtCol. His face looked like a fuckin baseball glove. Old as fuck and salty to boot.
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Posted: 6/26/2015 3:02:08 PM EDT
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In my MOS community we only have three. They are rare for they average Marine to see because they work at Staff level desks.
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Posted: 6/26/2015 3:07:14 PM EDT
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It may not work out so well for an Lt to try to pull rank my friend. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not USMC, but In 9 years of active duty Army, I only ever saw 1 CWO5. It was at Ft Riley, KS. As for WOs in general, I'm still not 100% sure wtf it is they do, or why the rank exists. They're higher in rank than the highest of CSMs, but lower in rank than the lowliest butter-bar 2nd LT. It may not work out so well for an Lt to try to pull rank my friend. I find this type of thing very interesting. Can you please elaborate what would happen or any stories you know of about this? |
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Posted: 6/26/2015 3:12:10 PM EDT
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My Dad....
Joined the Army in the mid fifties. Crypto, morse/radio intercept. Served four years and got out as a Specialist 6 around 1960 or so. Was out a year and got fucking drafted (  ) and served two years in Naval Reserve on active duty as a radioman on a reconaissance plane out of Bremerton. Got out of the Navy and went back into the Army as a CW-2, Army Security Agency CiC. He was stationed in Germany and later stateside at Fort Ord and Ft Deitrich. Did eight years and decided to get out as a CW-4 right around the time I was born. Told me they offered to make him a 1st Lt if he stayed and he laughed his ass off.
When I joined in 1984, my reserve unit had waaayyyy more Warrants then I'd ever heard of (M.I. Company, Divisional). We were a 'company' for organizational purposes, but actually we were divided into 'sections'--HQ, Counter Intelligence, A&P, IPW, Reconaissance, EW, etc--consisting of a couple of Lt's and maybe a Captain in each section, five or six Warrants, five or six senior NCO's, and maybe three or four PFC or Spec-4's per section. Only section that was organised anything like a regular army unit was the motor pool. Most of the Warrants were either former Spec-4's or -5's (we had a couple of those) who passed their -3 on their MOS, or E-8+'s who had been in grade long enough to get promoted but our unit had no senior NCO slots available. We had one CWO-4 who had been in Korea and Viet Nam, Mr Costas. He was crusty as shit, looked like Ossie Davis, and was one of the funniest guys I'd ever met. He absolutely didn't give a fuck; even our cocksucker 1st Sgt was in awe of him. He showed up for one drill in fucking long sleeve khakis. Every summer he'd show up in slant-pocket ripstop jungle fatigues. I think he even had a set of chocolate wool gabardine class-A's. One drill we had a CWO-4 named Stamps come out from Bragg to do an OPFOR/Warsaw TO&E class; this guy looked like Robert Ryan in the Longest Day. He and Mr. Costas had been in VN as part of the first advisor group, IIRC. The two of them spent the whole day cracking jokes while Top glared at them but said nothing. |
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Posted: 6/26/2015 3:28:41 PM EDT
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if they're anything like army warrant officers, they're incredibly rare and incredibly old and crusty. CW2 is often comparable in responsibility to a CPT. now, knowing just how long it takes to earn warrant promotions, a CW5 is up there. i recently heard that CW3's and up are allowed field grade housing on post and that CW5's are allowed general grade officer quarters. not sure the validity of that though. W4 and W5 rate Field Grade privileges. How much longer till you get CWO5? I have to wait for 2 ahead of me to die or retire. How close are they? You could always invite them over to the house, get em liquored up and let them drive home.
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Posted: 6/26/2015 3:39:28 PM EDT
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Not USMC, but In 9 years of active duty Army, I only ever saw 1 CWO5. It was at Ft Riley, KS. As for WOs in general, I'm still not 100% sure wtf it is they do, or why the rank exists. They're higher in rank than the highest of CSMs, but lower in rank than the lowliest butter-bar 2nd LT. It may not work out so well for an Lt to try to pull rank my friend. There are, or were, two WO's in Artillery battalions. The Maintenance Officer and the Property Book Officer. Piss them off and all your shit's deadlined and you're signed for a billion dollars worth of stuff you've never seen. It's the third thing a lieutenant should learn. The first is you have two eyes, two ears and one mouth: use them proportionally. The second is you will learn more from your NCO's than your boss. You did not have WO Survey/TA officers? Not back in the day in line battalions. The TA battery was at DIVARTY. They also did MET. My first assignment as a 2LT was as a Battalion Recon and Survey Officer. We used theodolites, steel tape and pins. "Stick. Stuck. Move Out! . Then PADS came out and the 82C MOS died. |
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Posted: 6/26/2015 3:40:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryHahaha, that immediately came to mind when I read the OP. |
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Posted: 6/26/2015 3:50:39 PM EDT
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Not USMC, but In 9 years of active duty Army, I only ever saw 1 CWO5. It was at Ft Riley, KS. As for WOs in general, I'm still not 100% sure wtf it is they do, or why the rank exists. They're higher in rank than the highest of CSMs, but lower in rank than the lowliest butter-bar 2nd LT. Where an officer will need to leave the field to do staff time to get promoted, a WO does not do that. He will stay in his field, doing his job and be an SME. |
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Posted: 6/26/2015 3:54:15 PM EDT
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Being Aviaiton Ordnance and a Department of the Navy Marine Ordnance Officers are often refered to as Gunner because of our Navy brethren. Their (Navy) weapons type officers are called Gunner. ETA I did not say that would be correct. I sent an Ammo Tech Gy to our school. Once he went to our school and found out what we do he said he would forever call my Gunner! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not very common. Usually referred to as Gunners. They are SME's in their field. https://www.military-ranks.org/marine-corps/chief-warrant-officer-5 No, CWO5's are not Gunners necessarily. If they don't have a bursting bomb, they are not, and should not be referred to as Gunner. Being Aviaiton Ordnance and a Department of the Navy Marine Ordnance Officers are often refered to as Gunner because of our Navy brethren. Their (Navy) weapons type officers are called Gunner. ETA I did not say that would be correct. I sent an Ammo Tech Gy to our school. Once he went to our school and found out what we do he said he would forever call my Gunner! Well, that's an understandable "mistake" then. I've seen WO1-2 that were Sgts like two years prior called Gunner before and it irritates me...
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Posted: 6/26/2015 3:54:48 PM EDT
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Where an officer will need to leave the field to do staff time to get promoted, a WO does not do that. He will stay in his field, doing his job and be an SME. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not USMC, but In 9 years of active duty Army, I only ever saw 1 CWO5. It was at Ft Riley, KS. As for WOs in general, I'm still not 100% sure wtf it is they do, or why the rank exists. They're higher in rank than the highest of CSMs, but lower in rank than the lowliest butter-bar 2nd LT. Where an officer will need to leave the field to do staff time to get promoted, a WO does not do that. He will stay in his field, doing his job and be an SME. Warrants do not always necessarily remain at the unit level. There are many who do work on various staff levels. |
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Posted: 6/26/2015 4:50:38 PM EDT
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Warrants do not always necessarily remain at the unit level. There are many who do work on various staff levels. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not USMC, but In 9 years of active duty Army, I only ever saw 1 CWO5. It was at Ft Riley, KS. As for WOs in general, I'm still not 100% sure wtf it is they do, or why the rank exists. They're higher in rank than the highest of CSMs, but lower in rank than the lowliest butter-bar 2nd LT. Where an officer will need to leave the field to do staff time to get promoted, a WO does not do that. He will stay in his field, doing his job and be an SME. Warrants do not always necessarily remain at the unit level. There are many who do work on various staff levels. Yes, but they are there to serve as the SME on their MOS correct? Where an unrestricted officer could be there for various functions. |
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Posted: 6/26/2015 4:57:04 PM EDT
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Yes, but they are there to serve as the SME on their MOS correct? Where an unrestricted officer could be there for various functions. True, basically to provide advice wrt their field of expertise to the Commander. |
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Posted: 6/26/2015 5:06:10 PM EDT
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Yes, but they are there to serve as the SME on their MOS correct? Where an unrestricted officer could be there for various functions. True, basically to provide advice wrt their field of expertise to the Commander. Yeah that makes sense. My first commissioned tour I worked for an LDO, and a lot of his counterparts were involved in testing branches and what not. Definitely not unit level, but still very much within their MOS. |
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Posted: 6/26/2015 9:28:22 PM EDT
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Not USMC, but In 9 years of active duty Army, I only ever saw 1 CWO5. It was at Ft Riley, KS. As for WOs in general, I'm still not 100% sure wtf it is they do, or why the rank exists. They're higher in rank than the highest of CSMs, but lower in rank than the lowliest butter-bar 2nd LT. It may not work out so well for an Lt to try to pull rank my friend. I find this type of thing very interesting. Can you please elaborate what would happen or any stories you know of about this? Bump for more info on the above discussion 
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Posted: 6/26/2015 9:43:32 PM EDT
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Not USMC, but In 9 years of active duty Army, I only ever saw 1 CWO5. It was at Ft Riley, KS. As for WOs in general, I'm still not 100% sure wtf it is they do, or why the rank exists. They're higher in rank than the highest of CSMs, but lower in rank than the lowliest butter-bar 2nd LT. It may not work out so well for an Lt to try to pull rank my friend. I find this type of thing very interesting. Can you please elaborate what would happen or any stories you know of about this? Bump for more info on the above discussion Same as a 2LT pulling rank on a Sergeant Major, he'll win the battle but lose the war. Kharn |
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Posted: 6/26/2015 9:49:26 PM EDT
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We had one in OKI at camp schwab in 1993. He was a gunner. Do not remember his name but he hung out with us at the armory a few times. Solid hard core MARINE.
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Posted: 6/26/2015 9:57:09 PM EDT
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Not USMC, but In 9 years of active duty Army, I only ever saw 1 CWO5. It was at Ft Riley, KS. As for WOs in general, I'm still not 100% sure wtf it is they do, or why the rank exists. They're higher in rank than the highest of CSMs, but lower in rank than the lowliest butter-bar 2nd LT. It may not work out so well for an Lt to try to pull rank my friend. I find this type of thing very interesting. Can you please elaborate what would happen or any stories you know of about this? Bump for more info on the above discussion Same as a 2LT pulling rank on a Sergeant Major, he'll win the battle but lose the war. Kharn I kinda find that fascinating and interesting. It's hard for someone who hasn't been in the military to understand how it works. How would he lose the war, so to speak? |
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Posted: 6/26/2015 9:58:40 PM EDT
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I used to work for retired Gunner Richardson after he left AD and worked at Range Control at MCBCamLej NC. He was the Base Range Safety Officer. In fact, I think he still is. He was promoted to GySgt in Beirut for one day when he was with 8th Marines, and then promoted to CWO. He was then sent to Quantico for OCS for WOs. He knows Capt. Dale Dye. He retired as a CWO 5 in the '90s from 2/2 IIRC. I love that man (in a fraternal way, of course). Dwayne is still at Range Control. Tough guy, will wear you out and make you feel lower than snake shit but if you admit you fucked up will help get you squared away and teach you how not to fuck up again. |
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Posted: 6/26/2015 10:20:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That, and nurses are commissioned officers. PAs are higher than nurses on the medical food chain. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not USMC, but In 9 years of active duty Army, I only ever saw 1 CWO5. It was at Ft Riley, KS. As for WOs in general, I'm still not 100% sure wtf it is they do, or why the rank exists. They're higher in rank than the highest of CSMs, but lower in rank than the lowliest butter-bar 2nd LT. Technical specialties. Helicopter pilots. Physician's Assistants. We had a CW02 running our motor pool who was also one hell of a mechanic. All the warrants I knew did more than just fill leadership roles. They were like officers, but actually knew how to do shit (just kidding officers.....sort of ).Most of the Warrants I met were helicopter pilots. A soldier I served with enlisted went on to become a Warrant Officer. He was killed in Afghanistan serving as an Assistant Detachment Commander of 3rd Battalion, 3rd SFG though I don't know what role WO typically serve in SF. CW2 Scott Dyer, RIP. The Army quit making PAs WOs back in the early 90s due to rank disparity between them and their peers in the Air Force who were commissioned regular officers. That, and nurses are commissioned officers. PAs are higher than nurses on the medical food chain. There are nurses and there are nurses. |
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Posted: 6/26/2015 10:25:57 PM EDT
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Not USMC, but In 9 years of active duty Army, I only ever saw 1 CWO5. It was at Ft Riley, KS. As for WOs in general, I'm still not 100% sure wtf it is they do, or why the rank exists. They're higher in rank than the highest of CSMs, but lower in rank than the lowliest butter-bar 2nd LT. It may not work out so well for an Lt to try to pull rank my friend. I find this type of thing very interesting. Can you please elaborate what would happen or any stories you know of about this? Bump for more info on the above discussion Same as a 2LT pulling rank on a Sergeant Major, he'll win the battle but lose the war. Kharn Depends if the SgtMaj is wrong. I had one try to school me on FITREPS when I was a Lt...he was wrong, and it didn't go the way he thought he would. Rockers and star doesn't mean you're always right, and neither does shiny bars or leaves. |
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Posted: 6/26/2015 10:28:37 PM EDT
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We have a couple in Marine EOD. Crusty as hell and really know their shit. Dont even think about trying to get something past them because they probably came up with it in the first place. No one tells a CWO5 what to do, they ask. We a Marine CW03 and a Navy CW04 when I was at Eglin and Indianhead in 1989. They were both cool guys and all of us kids were in awe. |
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Posted: 6/26/2015 11:58:59 PM EDT
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I kinda find that fascinating and interesting. It's hard for someone who hasn't been in the military to understand how it works. How would he lose the war, so to speak? He loses the support of the senior enlisted, and probably pisses off his boss as well. |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 12:10:47 AM EDT
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He loses the support of the senior enlisted, and probably pisses off his boss as well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I kinda find that fascinating and interesting. It's hard for someone who hasn't been in the military to understand how it works. How would he lose the war, so to speak? He loses the support of the senior enlisted, and probably pisses off his boss as well. Again, unless the SgtMaj is wrong, in which case the rest of the senior enlisted, and his boss will know it. Contrary to popular belief, SgtMaj's are not infallible. |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 12:30:49 AM EDT
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Same as a 2LT pulling rank on a Sergeant Major, he'll win the battle but lose the war. Kharn Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not USMC, but In 9 years of active duty Army, I only ever saw 1 CWO5. It was at Ft Riley, KS. As for WOs in general, I'm still not 100% sure wtf it is they do, or why the rank exists. They're higher in rank than the highest of CSMs, but lower in rank than the lowliest butter-bar 2nd LT. It may not work out so well for an Lt to try to pull rank my friend. I find this type of thing very interesting. Can you please elaborate what would happen or any stories you know of about this? Bump for more info on the above discussion Same as a 2LT pulling rank on a Sergeant Major, he'll win the battle but lose the war. Kharn Interesting aside related to this: Several of my friends in the Philippines are retired Sergeants Major from various special operations units (PMC Force Recon Bn, Scout Rangers, SF). When they're mustered out, they are "promoted" to Second Lieutenant. This is good for them, as they get retirement based on an officer's pay, and are accorded all the other benefits, but we joke about them serving their country all their lives, in the toughest units, and then being made the least respected rank in the service.
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Posted: 6/27/2015 12:42:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: W2-W5 get the same commission as "regular" officers. Part of my W4 warrant. http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n619/Ordo6502/IMG_20140713_134604806_zps6kdkhzgn.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not very common. Usually referred to as Gunners. They are SME's in their field. https://www.military-ranks.org/marine-corps/chief-warrant-officer-5 Chief Warrant Officer 5 (CW5) is the fifth, and highest, Warrant Officer rank in the Unites States Marine Corps. They are officially appointed by the the Secretary of the Marine Corps. Must be why they're so rare... no such thing as Secretary of the Marine Corps. W2-W5 get the same commission as "regular" officers. Part of my W4 warrant. http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n619/Ordo6502/IMG_20140713_134604806_zps6kdkhzgn.jpg |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 1:05:05 AM EDT
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Dwayne is still at Range Control. Tough guy, will wear you out and make you feel lower than snake shit but if you admit you fucked up will help get you squared away and teach you how not to fuck up again. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I used to work for retired Gunner Richardson after he left AD and worked at Range Control at MCBCamLej NC. He was the Base Range Safety Officer. In fact, I think he still is. He was promoted to GySgt in Beirut for one day when he was with 8th Marines, and then promoted to CWO. He was then sent to Quantico for OCS for WOs. He knows Capt. Dale Dye. He retired as a CWO 5 in the '90s from 2/2 IIRC. I love that man (in a fraternal way, of course). Dwayne is still at Range Control. Tough guy, will wear you out and make you feel lower than snake shit but if you admit you fucked up will help get you squared away and teach you how not to fuck up again. He chewed me out a few months ago
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Posted: 6/27/2015 1:19:08 AM EDT
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We had a CW05 a 2nd ANGLICO, he came over from the precision weapon shop. He spent some time with 2nd Recon also.
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Posted: 6/27/2015 1:22:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We had a CW05 a 2nd ANGLICO, he came over from the precision weapon shop. He spent some time with 2nd Recon also. My recruiter was a 2nd ANGLICO Marine. |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 1:23:44 AM EDT
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Interesting aside related to this: Several of my friends in the Philippines are retired Sergeants Major from various special operations units (PMC Force Recon Bn, Scout Rangers, SF). When they're mustered out, they are "promoted" to Second Lieutenant. This is good for them, as they get retirement based on an officer's pay, and are accorded all the other benefits, but we joke about them serving their country all their lives, in the toughest units, and then being made the least respected rank in the service. Huh? You can't just get "promoted" to 2ndLt you have to have a commission. You generally have to have a degree. You must complete OCS. You also don't get retirement at ANY rank unless you served in that rank for 3 years. ie if you get promoted to SgtMaj and retire 2 years later, you get 1stSgt retirement. There are no other "benefits" retired officers get over enlisted. Last of all an O1E with 20+ years makes $4584. An E9 with 20+ makes $5730. There is literally no reason why they would do this. Even if they COULD collect O1E retirement pay, it would be less than their E9 retirement. Scratch that. I see you're talking non-U.S. forces. reading is fundamental. I'll leave what I wrote in case someone is curious about U.S. mil retirement. |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 1:53:10 AM EDT
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Huh? You can't just get "promoted" to 2ndLt you have to have a commission. You generally have to have a degree. You must complete OCS. You also don't get retirement at ANY rank unless you served in that rank for 3 years. ie if you get promoted to SgtMaj and retire 2 years later, you get 1stSgt retirement. There are no other "benefits" retired officers get over enlisted. Last of all an O1E with 20+ years makes $4584. An E9 with 20+ makes $5730. There is literally no reason why they would do this. Even if they COULD collect O1E retirement pay, it would be less than their E9 retirement. Scratch that. I see you're talking non-U.S. forces. reading is fundamental. I'll leave what I wrote in case someone is curious about U.S. mil retirement. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Interesting aside related to this: Several of my friends in the Philippines are retired Sergeants Major from various special operations units (PMC Force Recon Bn, Scout Rangers, SF). When they're mustered out, they are "promoted" to Second Lieutenant. This is good for them, as they get retirement based on an officer's pay, and are accorded all the other benefits, but we joke about them serving their country all their lives, in the toughest units, and then being made the least respected rank in the service. Huh? You can't just get "promoted" to 2ndLt you have to have a commission. You generally have to have a degree. You must complete OCS. You also don't get retirement at ANY rank unless you served in that rank for 3 years. ie if you get promoted to SgtMaj and retire 2 years later, you get 1stSgt retirement. There are no other "benefits" retired officers get over enlisted. Last of all an O1E with 20+ years makes $4584. An E9 with 20+ makes $5730. There is literally no reason why they would do this. Even if they COULD collect O1E retirement pay, it would be less than their E9 retirement. Scratch that. I see you're talking non-U.S. forces. reading is fundamental. I'll leave what I wrote in case someone is curious about U.S. mil retirement. SAVE pay is given to make up the difference between what would have been made had someone not accepted a commission or warrant and instead retained their enlisted or warrant rank, and what they are supposed to make in their new rank. That amount is calculated monthly changes based on the variables that apply for that month. The pay differential is paid until the person works their way up in rank/TIS/TIG to what they were making before they accepted their warrant or commission. |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 2:23:18 AM EDT
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Again, unless the SgtMaj is wrong, in which case the rest of the senior enlisted, and his boss will know it. Contrary to popular belief, SgtMaj's are not infallible. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I kinda find that fascinating and interesting. It's hard for someone who hasn't been in the military to understand how it works. How would he lose the war, so to speak? He loses the support of the senior enlisted, and probably pisses off his boss as well. Again, unless the SgtMaj is wrong, in which case the rest of the senior enlisted, and his boss will know it. Contrary to popular belief, SgtMaj's are not infallible. But there are different ways of approaching a problem. If the butter bar makes a disagreement public, he can be right, and still lose the war for not showing respect. |
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