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Posted: 5/11/2023 1:11:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/11/2023 1:17:32 PM EDT
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No way..
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Posted: 5/11/2023 1:21:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/11/2023 1:25:11 PM EDT
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We most likely won’t see Ukraine take back much ground that the Russians took. Longer it takes them to attempt the harder it will be for Ukraine to make any meaningful gains. The west slow rolled the aid and didn’t give them what they needed when they needed it.
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Posted: 5/11/2023 1:25:26 PM EDT
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Steiner's HIMARS will bring it under control
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Posted: 5/11/2023 1:36:17 PM EDT
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Were I in his shoes, I'd keep saying we're waiting on better weather/more western gear/phase of the moon/next Marvel movie/whatever. I'd do that forever until the rooskies figure out the offensive has begun and they're losing miles per hour of territory. Why would you not want to maintain OPSEC?
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Posted: 5/11/2023 1:39:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Steiner's HIMARS will bring it under control Der angriffs steiner war ein BEFEHL! |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 1:40:18 PM EDT
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So it looks like those leaked documents were correct in their assessment the Ukrainians aren't as competent and capable as the propaganda shows.
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Posted: 5/11/2023 1:41:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Der angriffs steiner war ein BEFEHL!  |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 1:41:37 PM EDT
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10% of $1.2B is a lot of money.
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Posted: 5/11/2023 1:42:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So it looks like those leaked documents were correct in their assessment the Ukrainians aren't as competent and capable as the propaganda shows. Shocking |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 1:42:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So it looks like those leaked documents were correct in their assessment the Ukrainians and their handlers aren't as competent and capable as the propaganda shows. |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 1:43:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Steiner's HIMARS will bring it under control “I will show you how a Prussian dies.” “And I will show you where the Iron Crosses grow.” |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 1:52:03 PM EDT
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Of course they need more. Cut these fuckers off.
Why would you not want to maintain OPSEC? There is no money or fame in it. Once this war is over and the West stops sending money, or China starts a war, Ukraine is fucked. Not to mention you are going to have a bunch of armed and hardened people running around, pretty sure Z is fucked too. Mark my words, this dude will be living in a villa in France within a few years. Show me a successful Country that the West has shoveled money into while it had a charismatic leader. At this point, I think the World would have been better off arming the Russians... and I really don't like the Russians. |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 1:52:26 PM EDT
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This Clandestine guy sounds like a moron whose FOS. Anyone who cites MacGregor and leaps to conclusions like that either is such or is a willing participant in Russian IO.
Zelensky saying that may well be an act of deception, which would be a smart move with precedent. It could also be true. It doesn't mean that the equipment has all been destroyed or that, as one poster asserts, the Ukrainians are incompetent. It may also be a partial truth, as some analysts have posted that ground conditions have not yet gotten suitable for a large-scale offensive. The claim that Ukraine has lost most of its equipment is rather preposterous and one would need to be a fool to believe a claim like that says evidence. |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 1:55:20 PM EDT
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Ukraine needs more air power.
No deep armored thrusts can be conducted without air superiority unless they're willing to accept a massive risk in terms of lost hardware and man power. Ukraine needs control of the skies. The fastest way to achieve that and to insure that Ukraine does NOT expand the war into Russian territory is to allow Ukraine to hire a Private Military Company that will supply air wings and the support like the Flying Tigers did for China in WW2 against Japan. It's a literal "turn-key" solution without legacy costs for Ukraine and that could be done very efficiently both financially and time wise. If the Russians can use a Mercenary Company like Wagner, why couldn't Ukraine? |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 1:57:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This Clandestine guy sounds like a moron whose FOS. Anyone who cites MacGregor and leaps to conclusions like that either is such or is a willing participant in Russian IO. Zelensky saying that may well be an act of deception, which would be a smart move with precedent. It could also be true. It doesn't mean that the equipment has all been destroyed or that, as one poster asserts, the Ukrainians are incompetent. It may also be a partial truth, as some analysts have posted that ground conditions have not yet gotten suitable for a large-scale offensive. The claim that Ukraine has lost most of its equipment is rather preposterous and one would need to be a fool to believe a claim like that says evidence. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ukraine-counter-offensive-russia-war-k85rq0m29  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 1:58:07 PM EDT
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Sooo? Bakhmut finally fell?
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Posted: 5/11/2023 2:00:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/11/2023 2:04:56 PM EDT
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So Russians are dug in and Uk will have to push hard with the men they have and it might prove too costly to their depleted resources?
Who knows |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 2:19:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat is far more believable than all of their stuff being destroyed. The West has been really slow in sending stuff like that. |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 2:38:29 PM EDT
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Could be a psyops.
 
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Posted: 5/11/2023 2:42:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/11/2023 2:44:35 PM EDT
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You take a hell of a lot more casualties attacking then you do defending. Russia emptying their prisons for the Wagner meat grinder is a bit more palatable than Ukraine sending their young men off to die.
If Ukraine isn't ready right now for a counteroffensive then it's a good idea they hold off. If Ukraine isn't ready for a counteroffensive 4 months from now when the weather starts to cool. . . . then even the most vocal supporters are going to start to have questions. |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 2:47:04 PM EDT
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It is time to negotiate a peace agreement.
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Posted: 5/11/2023 2:47:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/11/2023 2:49:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is time to negotiate a peace agreement. Zelensky said in the same interview no trade territory for peace so unlikely anytime before Christmas this year. |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 2:51:12 PM EDT
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I don't follow the reports deeply but I haven't heard much about Russian airstrikes destroying large amounts of equipment. Actually, I haven't heard about Russian air strikes in any capacity. Is that claim remotely believable?
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Posted: 5/11/2023 2:52:57 PM EDT
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If I suddenly got my hands on some stealth cruise missiles I would change my plan too, Russia would if they aren't morons.
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Posted: 5/11/2023 2:53:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Zelensky said in the same interview no trade territory for peace so unlikely anytime before Christmas this year. It's important (for both sides) to negotiate from a position of strength. Ukraine isn't going to be negotiating a peace deal before a counter offensive and not after the Russians have taken over the majority of Bakhmut If you see Ukraine attempting to forego an attack, and instead head to the negotiation tables for a peace talks, then they are in a bad spot. I don't see it happening. |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 2:55:20 PM EDT
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10% for the big guy.
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Posted: 5/11/2023 3:03:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't follow the reports deeply but I haven't heard much about Russian airstrikes destroying large amounts of equipment. Actually, I haven't heard about Russian air strikes in any capacity. Is that claim remotely believable? As in aircraft or missiles? https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraines-air-defence-systems-repelling-attacks-kyiv-officials-say-2023-05-09/ |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 3:06:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is time to negotiate a peace agreement. |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 3:11:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's important (for both sides) to negotiate from a position of strength. Ukraine isn't going to be negotiating a peace deal before a counter offensive and not after the Russians have taken over the majority of Bakhmut If you see Ukraine attempting to forego an attack, and instead head to the negotiation tables for a peace talks, then they are in a bad spot. I don't see it happening. I agree. If they do what you describe, they’re done. |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 3:19:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 5/11/2023 3:22:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't follow the reports deeply but I haven't heard much about Russian airstrikes destroying large amounts of equipment. Actually, I haven't heard about Russian air strikes in any capacity. Is that claim remotely believable? They are not good at hitting anything other than civilian buildings. |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 3:22:24 PM EDT
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Meanwhile immigration has been a hot button topic for 40-50yrs that the lesser of evil elected politicians refuse to fix.. it’s still keeping the peasants occupied so mission accomplished.
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Posted: 5/11/2023 3:30:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We most likely won’t see Ukraine take back much ground that the Russians took. Longer it takes them to attempt the harder it will be for Ukraine to make any meaningful gains. The west slow rolled the aid and didn’t give them what they needed when they needed it. The West built up the Ukrainian Army twice already. Spare me the notion that we haven't done enough. |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 3:32:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This Clandestine guy sounds like a moron whose FOS. Anyone who cites MacGregor and leaps to conclusions like that either is such or is a willing participant in Russian IO. Zelensky saying that may well be an act of deception, which would be a smart move with precedent. It could also be true. It doesn't mean that the equipment has all been destroyed or that, as one poster asserts, the Ukrainians are incompetent. It may also be a partial truth, as some analysts have posted that ground conditions have not yet gotten suitable for a large-scale offensive. The claim that Ukraine has lost most of its equipment is rather preposterous and one would need to be a fool to believe a claim like that says evidence. Given what has actually happened the last 48 hours? Yeah, it is almost certainly an act of deception. |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 3:33:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is time to negotiate a peace agreement. Quick, before they counterattack with all that western hardware they've been training on, right? |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 3:33:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine needs more air power. No deep armored thrusts can be conducted without air superiority unless they're willing to accept a massive risk in terms of lost hardware and man power. Ukraine needs control of the skies. The fastest way to achieve that and to insure that Ukraine does NOT expand the war into Russian territory is to allow Ukraine to hire a Private Military Company that will supply air wings and the support like the Flying Tigers did for China in WW2 against Japan. It's a literal "turn-key" solution without legacy costs for Ukraine and that could be done very efficiently both financially and time wise. If the Russians can use a Mercenary Company like Wagner, why couldn't Ukraine? Can't tell if this is trolling..... |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 3:34:48 PM EDT
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Send us your women and go crawl in a fucking hole
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Posted: 5/11/2023 3:34:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/11/2023 3:35:43 PM EDT
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The Wunderwaffen shall bring about Endsieg and the Final Victory!
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Posted: 5/11/2023 3:37:21 PM EDT
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Who knows what to believe. Many Pro Ukes here said it already started. Like a week or so ago. Now Z says it hasn't started yet.
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Posted: 5/11/2023 3:38:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Zelensky said in the same interview no trade territory for peace so unlikely anytime before Christmas this year. And when he finally agrees that Crimea is not Ukraine and signs a deal with the NaziTerroristWarCriminalRashistOrcs, the cope will be something to behold |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 3:38:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOh boy. That you keep posting this stuff even while Prigozhin repeatedly says "Uh, things are kinda shit, prepare for some bad news" is just... *chef's kiss* Its like you're playing a deep double propaganda game specifically designed to illustrate how silly the Russian propaganda is by repeating the slightly out of date stuff right when it passes its sell-by date. Just to highlight the off smell of it. |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 3:39:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI thought Ukr had more tanks now then when the war started. Hard to keep up with the bullshit |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 3:40:21 PM EDT
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lol
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Posted: 5/11/2023 3:41:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So Russians are dug in and Uk will have to push hard with the men they have and it might prove too costly to their depleted resources? Who knows Even with full recourse's they wont be able to. Ukraine will NEVER take back the land it lost. They couldn't take back Luhansk and Donetsk when it was mainly a Civil War. Now that Russia has had over a year to fully dig in? Its Russian soil at this point. Russia cannot take more then it owns now and Ukraine cannot take it back. Both sides know it but refuse to admit it. |
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